Amanda Mahan and Cynthia Matthews-Johnson

00:01 My name is Cynthia matthews-johnson. Am 61 years old. Today's date is December 9th for 20/20. I live in Jacksonville, Florida and my partner for the one step one. Small step is Amanda and we just met.

00:24 Great. Thank you. My name is Amanda Mahan. I am 42 years old at today's date is December 9th 2020 here in Jacksonville, Florida speaking with Cynthia and we have just met to engage in a storycorps conversation.

00:43 Whoever wants to take it jumped in and ask. Why did you want to interview this? Why did you want to join interview today?

00:52 I wanted to join the story course because I listen to it on the radio on WJCT on Friday mornings, and I thought it was an interesting way of.

01:05 Presenting myself and meeting somebody because I thought that it would just be a nice way of learning about another person and I was hoping that I would be matched up in here we are.

01:20 Marriott

01:23 Amanda what is your reason for wanting to do the one small step?

01:29 Well, I heard about the opportunity through the Jacksonville public library, and and I also follow storycorps on WJCT radio station, and I've always enjoyed the intimacy of the conversations and help people open up to a vulnerability where people are able to learn from each other and I'm a huge proponent that we have far more in common than we have different. So I invite learning about other people's perspectives and ideas and and I get excited about the opportunity to to learn from someone who's different from me.

02:09 Okay, that sounds good.

02:13 What did you think when you first read my bio?

02:19 Why haven't so I just pasted in Amanda? So Sunday I go ahead and read a man is out loud and you can ask her any questions and then I'll paste in yours and vice-versa. So this is Amanda's bio.

02:33 So you grew up in Jacksonville, Florida and the opportunity to live in Tennessee, Michigan and Washington before returning home 10 years ago. You are a divorced mother and two teenage sons and you work as a director of marketing and Communications at a local nonprofit. I strongly believe that we have a far more in common that we have different. So I am very troubled by the dive divisive force is pulling us apart. Okay.

03:12 And so I'll read to you your bio. It's I'm excited to learn you were born and raised in New York and became a single parent raising three children when your husband died at a young age. I'm sorry mission to set example any children receive the best you possibly give them you feel exhausted and tired hearing about how divided this country is racially economically spiritually and societies totally forgotten Christian values in the foundation of this country.

03:42 All right.

03:46 I guess to Jump Right In I I wonder how how continued on the joys in the struggles of that for you.

04:00 Can you repeat that because you froze up a bit for me going to get all your question sure, we can.

04:08 Are we are we better connected now? Try it again. You're freezing a little bit, but you look like you might be okay now go ahead and try it.

04:17 Okay, so I think I'm coming in and out. Unfortunately. Let me see. I was wondering if I can only imagine how difficult it would be to lose your husband at a young age. What were the struggles the hardest parts for you? And and I and I imagine what were the joys and you cuz I'm sure there might have been some even though it was a struggle in the sense that I work for the postal service and I work evenings spell the biggest struggle was Finding childcare for three children. Usually for one. That's not too bad and two might be a little bit more. Okay, we can handle it but when you have three small children.

05:11 It's kind of tough to find somebody who's willing especially working when I work 3 to 11:30 to find somebody who will watch your child after 6 p.m. If that was the biggest struggle so I can write books about babysitter nannies. I've had live in that had drive-through. I mean you name it I cover the ball when it came to fighting for child care. So that way I could still work and take care of my children and I didn't have a support system large support system because my parents lived Upstate New York. My mother-in-law was the only one who was within their Long Island area where I was and that time she could watch the children for the most part. I had to rely on finding and paying for childcare.

06:05 That had to have been hard cuz I know I don't want to trust just anyone with your Shield of faith and just believe that everything would work out great. So most definitely yes. Yes.

06:22 I'm so our next question is I'm wondering how would you describe in your own words your personal political views?

06:32 My personal political views are I'm a registered Democrat.

06:38 And I look for a primarily look for the values in the person not so much the party because over the years. I've seen how the party has changed the lot. So I focus on the person and what they say that they will try to do what they promised that they will do and I go base my value of whether I can trust that they will do what they said and go ahead and vote for them.

07:14 I tried it. I do try the boat my conscious.

07:18 But for the most part, I just look at what are you saying? What have you done? And if I really diving deeper I will look at how they have bolted on particular things that may have come across weather in Congress or in the local city council of depending on if they were involved in politics. What have they done in the past and currently?

07:43 And you Amanda house would you describe your own personal values political values? And but I I think that our two party system is flawed in in in limiting it to just these two I think kind of distilled and water down position. I believe I probably am far more Progressive than where the Democratic party stands and I think that we could benefit socially from more more programs to help make education Healthcare access to fair housing opportunities for wealth development for all people regardless of Dino color or social economic standing start. I think we could all do better.

08:43 If we invested in in that kind of programming cuz I do believe that we as a society are as healthy as our sick as person and we are as well educated as our least educated person and until I really think that our country and our at the local level and at the national level would do better by investing more in programming to help and benefit more people, okay?

09:15 But do you think that based on what we've gone through with Colvin at?

09:22 Our politicians have done an adequate job for for our communities and our nation as a whole and not consistent and that's disappointing to me. I think on a national level. I was really disappointed with on the Trump Administration handling of not coming out and doing a better job at protecting more people with you no mask mandate or what-have-you surprisingly. I'm really maybe it's not fair to say that I was pleased and have been pleased with how Marilyn Ann Curry has I think done well in leadership and I think

10:06 That we could have done better if there was more clear communication cuz I think unfortunately having one leader say one thing and another leader say another thing of the state level and then another leader say something different even then it at local level made for misinformation and distrust. I think a lot of people don't even know if what the CDC says now is accurate and I think that's what do you think I agree with that too? Because we've had so many I would say we've had this information we passed so much don't add a task given to us at one time that it's just got convoluted people don't know what to trust anymore. I listen to a lot of things especially on.

10:56 The Palmdale JCT, which is my favorite. I don't have cable. So I listen to that because I find that it has given me a lot of considered more accurate information than what I hear when I listen to something on the radio or if I get something through the internet, I don't do social media. So I'm not on Facebook. I don't do Twitter and all that other stuff. I don't have time. I'm out enjoying life, but I do want to keep abreast of what's going on. And I want to know just as I don't want to hear everybody's opinions and debating about stuff. So I think overall what we've been told it's just like it's listing like I wrote in my bio. I just too much at times and it's exhausting just tell me he's as straight and things have changed tell me what has changed if you know why it has changed.

11:56 Tell me why it has changed and then let's go from there. If it's something that we can do to fix it. Let's try to fix it. But don't just keep rehashing old stuff is speculating and and just making it so that it becomes.

12:14 Tiresome and divisive which is to me what has happened fight like the market and what could be sold from the media and who sponsors that I think that

12:33 It's embedded in in in what sells the most and I think unfortunately people's fears are are huge drivers of or a huge motivator to to make people consume more. And so unfortunately, I think our media is failing because it's driven for profit rather than like, I think we could do better if we had more nonprofit media.

13:00 It's interesting.

13:05 Cuz I wonder why I wonder if one thing that I've been wondering is people that like for instance my my parents are both for more conservative than I am and the news that my dad for instance chooses to consume is I think full of misinformation and I think he thinks exact same of the information of the news that choose to consume. So I wonder I wonder what the solution to that breakdown is.

13:36 Yeah, I can understand what you're saying in a sense because but on a different site in the way with the women that I work around and I'm also in a nonprofit organization in.

13:50 Is Catholic so they take it from the point that Catholic and this is what has to be and everything is slanted towards that and if it's not Catholic then it's not right.

14:06 Since I find that there's been in this information that they will tell me and I know that it's not correct and then I say something and then it like when you can't read information from your information from

14:25 On Facebook and Twitter and they're getting it information from that type of media and I'm like, well, I'm not on that. So I'm not privy to what you seeing and hearing and listening from that Medium as well as other Catholic friends. I'm taking it from what I get. Like I said I listen to WJCT and or I'll get certain information from the internet through email from news various news feeds and I just take it for that and and also go to some of the sites like the CDC. I'm going to their websites to read up on it, and I'm just trying to see for myself. What is true like some of the station think they'll do fat checks to see me cuz I don't want to say something incorrect.

15:25 If I do it and I and I and it's not right because I don't know that's one thing. But if I purposely do it that's something else and that's what I try to avoid. And I don't think that's some of the people that I work around that they actually check into the sources of where they getting the information to see is it accurate they just get it and then they start sending it out. Yeah. I'm putting it broadcasting it.

15:59 Cuz I think I forgot to turn like Echo chamber, right it if people are only listening to what they want to hear then but then that's my main question is how do you know that you're not only listening to it? Just what you want to hear.

16:14 Well, like I said, I try to listen to think I trust they what I hear from WJCT and NPR. I trust more than what I would think comes across boo Twitter through Facebook or any of the Instagram any of that social media.

16:40 If it's something and I and I try to go by what I believe in as well. So if it sounds like it might not actually be something that's right. And it didn't Estes the gut feeling that I'll have then it's a matter. I need to figure out well what is actually being said so I try to do my own research and if it's something that I truly think is false. I just like that's it. I'm not even going there. It's not in my it's not going to be archived in my information bank. So I just wash it off friends like, okay well

17:25 That's not right. That's not accurate. So leave it.

17:39 So the question here we have is can you tell me about a moment when your political ideas were really shaped or when they shipped it? Yeah, I guess let this interesting. I haven't thought about it for quite some time. So I like I mentioned earlier I grew up on my parents are both former conservative and I remember in high school Dole was running against Clinton when I was in high school and I was on the debate team and I debated for Joel candidate bill at the time and I'm really glad I got a part of me wishes. There was a video that I would love to see what my are you

18:21 What Young a seventeen-year-old Amanda thought and then cuz I felt so, and I actually won the debate but I think it was just based on the debating tactics did not win the election. So and I studied political science and sociology a liberal arts college and I remember one of my college I took this course called non-political nonviolent political conflict and he shook my ideas to the core and open my eyes to all of these things. I just was naive to you know, I had no idea about the nuclear proliferation and I had no idea about how many violent conflicts. Around the world and and just all of these things. I had never really considered before and I never realized the levels of economic disparity and the reasons for them and then so I really credit

19:22 Most of my college education but specifically that one Professor to really like rocking and Shifting the way in which I evaluate I'm and

19:37 Evaluate the reality of life and therefore it like completely changed me from being a card-carrying republican to the progressive that identify as today.

19:50 How about you? Do you have a defining moment in which your political ideas were shaped?

19:57 I don't think so. I grew up in my parents were both dimmer voted Democrat. I grew up with my family just dorkly it's been involved in civil rights.

20:11 On my mother's side specifically my uncles and aunts. They've just so much involved in the civil rights movement because my family is originally from Alabama from Marion and in Selma so they were right there in the heart of everything and my political views. I just spaced it again on listening more or less will growing up for what I heard, but then when I was in school learning about the Republican Party the Democratic party and then just looking at the the politicians at the time who were running for various offices and at that time just trying to figure out are they the person that can do the job are they again? Like I said if they

21:02 Say male promise that I'm going to do this on a try to do this. They come across where it seems like they can are they putting ideas out there and solutions are potential solutions that seem viable to get that job done. But when the things that I see that has maybe shifted my thoughts on the party's itself is not just that person like in the sense the president can do but so much but a lot depends on who's in Congress.

21:37 And what they do and looking at it from that perspective is like okay voting for the president is one thing I really have to focus on what's going on locally and what the people that are put into Congress because they are the ones that will say yay or nay.

21:58 And an Ashley make things come about and then it trickles down and that's not so that innocence is a shift for me because I always thought it was always the top person said the governor the mayor and it's Ashley some of the people underneath city council people the Congress and the other ones that I found. I really have to focus more when I'm out there to get ready to vote vote for the person that can make sure that we get the population gets what they need overall because they going to say yes to a boat a Note 2 about

22:43 Who's who's been the most influential person in your life and why I like what did they teach you?

22:52 I'm saying well in my family. It was my dad. I would say I'm a daddy's girl asking him questions and he has taught me. I mean just from watching him do things and watching how he handled money because I'm eating to finances and and money. So I'll I'd like to know how to spend it wisely have to save it out invested and I've learned a lot of that from him. So I would say that's the most influential because having that Foundation I was able to give it and still it into my children and teach them and now that

23:43 My daughter has a baby while Ariana's for foundation for her and overall with friends. I've been able to help them or advise them at times. Will you should try this just try this or maybe think of doing things this way and that was based on my experience in and also learning. I've went to school or college and took a lot of courses in finance and then they do and that's part of my background besides computers. So I would say my dad was the most influential person in my life because of what he sent me down and showed me how to handle money.

24:35 It's wonderful.

24:38 Is he still working today know my father passed away several years ago, so he's not there and physically but he's always with me that's wonderful. So, who is this? Been the most influential person in your life? And what did they teach you? That's a tricky question for me. I luckily I feel blessed to have been supported and led and guided by a lot of wonderful people both. My parents are great role models. I am the youngest of five and all my siblings have done really well and taking good care of me and us and as a family so I can I have a really lovely family I think as I've become a mother though, I realize the amount of work that a mother's shoulders and my mom who I'm sure I took for granted all of the work.

25:38 I think now that I'm a mother realized how impressive and remarkable. She is. She she is brilliant and but chose to set her career decide to stay home with Austin and focus and and invest in us and build a really lovely life for us and then went back to work in jobs that I don't know if they were her dream job or career job, but they were the best job to give us the best college education and all that. And so I'm a tremendous. It's a tremendous gift that she gave up her entire adult life to the well-being of us and I think that's incredibly generous and she's also just

26:21 Like amazing. She can I wash your take apart like a lawn mower engine and rebuild it she can rewire, you know circuitry and she just has his natural ability. She should have been an engineer in her own career and and and she is an engineer. She just never got paid to do that for a living and that me and my dad need a rebuilt the house I grew up in and she's a tremendous Carpenter and she can lay tile and like I can hang drywall and rewire anything. It's it's really pretty amazing role model to show me that women are far more confident that you know are equal to every way in a lot of ways. We have this additional strength of of mothering that we get to carry through life and that's pretty pretty awesome. So

27:21 My dad, that's why I was always a bunch of him watching him. He also built the house that they lived in a few and I love doing carpentry work and my mom sacrificed you never were that sounds like your mom sacrifice so that way she could be home with you all so that way you had that Foundation you had that bass and then when you are old enough and it was she can go out now and do some work on her own. She's she's she's pretty awesome. And I don't think I really like I said, I didn't realize until I had babies is fine. I was just sitting here thinking about when my first son was born. She came I live in Knoxville Tennessee at the time. She came up from Jacksonville to be there at the birth and then stayed with us for the week afterwards. And I remember she left in the day. She left I went to bed and just cried cuz I was like, I don't know how to do this.

28:21 Answer right then and there I was like, what am I doing?

28:32 Because that's what I did for my daughter Elizabeth who has Ariana. I spent a month with her in New York. And now that my other daughter Katherine Hughson, California, she's pregnant. So I'm planning on spending a month with her as well. So how they say the same thing after I leave.

28:54 Where's my second, baby? They were kind enough to be moved in with them after the birth of him. And so we lived with them for 6 weeks after that cuz I had a two-year-old in the baby. So that was really generous of stuff to help us that we definitely it takes a village for sure and it's a blessing to be there so that way they can bond with the child is well, it's nice. I might my youngest in my dad. So my I told you I'm the youngest of five and my dad has my parents have 11 grandchildren, right and my dad and my youngest son are really close and they have been since I think the day he was born. It's just interesting to see those, you know, natural bonds occur and dumb it's it's really beautiful. My dad's in his 80s now in my son is on 13 and they still go off together and have little conversations just the two of them are these kindred spirits and so

29:54 Play a nice thing.

29:58 So I would you say the most important issues for you personally.

30:04 I would say the most important issues are to keep all of the toxicity away and don't let it infiltrating my day. I believe that the wake up. It's a blessing. I'm so glad to be able to wake up each and every day and to get out and do things.

30:24 And I enjoy each and every moment and whenever something that's toxic comes around or that's depressing as like if we can't find a way to fix it then go away because I like to keep things moving. I have a saying just do it. Keep it moving.

30:47 And I don't have time for anything that's going to be depressing or it's going to hold me back. I want to enjoy the moments to the house because we only have these moments this moment in time and then tomorrow is not promised. I don't want to waste this moment with stuff that's going to continue on After I'm Gone.

31:11 Yes, I agree. I agree to happiness happiness Thanksgiving just enjoy the life that you have with the family with your friends. Enjoy the work you do and activities because when you're gone some of that stuff is still going to continue on you just will be a part of it most important issues for you personally.

31:55 I agree with you. Yes life is short make the most of it be happy. I told my boys everyday when I drop them off at school and I try to live it myself is be yourself that your best all the time and it's easier said than done. You know, it's a hard to figure out who you are all the time and how you can bring the best you to any situation and then all the time that's the hard part 2 sometimes retired and we're hungry nervous or irritated and that really affects our ability to see ourselves and I think the older I get the more of myself I become in the more confident in myself. I become that's it level of Grace that I wasn't expecting from aging that I really liked and I want invite more of it because you're a self-awareness and right. We there are moments when you going to feel I'm tired or I feel slightly depressed what you do stay stuck in it.

32:55 Come out of it you find a way to come out of it or you seek help to come out of it, and that's what I look at ice type of person that encourage her. I'm a happy person most of the time I'm always smiling people always always smiling that I guess smile happy. It makes me feel good, and it makes another person. Especially if I smile and then you smile and we could stay high and keep it going, you know, you don't have to stay put in that spot and conversate you can just like I hope you have a good day and just keep it going.

33:39 When you're stuck in what I call a depressing rap, that's not good for you. That's not good for you mentally physically spiritually and that's where I focus on my mind my body my spirit will let me have to be happy and energetic and some yeah.

34:02 I love it. I feel like you and I could be good friends.

34:10 Gray, smile and smile and I can feel the energy just even though we're on video. I can feel the energy. So joy to work with all right. Keep you laughing.

34:27 YouTube that's what I like to bring I do, you know, I feel like there's plenty of garbage out there and toxicity like you were saying and I think that again find that spark in someone else cuz everyone is a gift we all just come in different wrappings, right? And so you just have to peel back a little bit to figure out where that connection isn't and and make it happen because connections are what life is all about, isn't it? I mean, you know, I'm a true extrovert like I I feed on other people I love energy to other people with no people are generous and giving with their energy. That's so lovely and I try to not hold it, but pass it on to someone else.

35:03 Oh, well, then we would be done one of these.

35:10 I love it. So, is there something about my beliefs that you don't agree with but still respect?

35:29 So you mentioned that faith is very important to you. And I identify I would say as an atheist. I don't feel a need to invest in space to explain the world, but I certainly don't think that that makes you wrong or makes me right in any way and I don't think that there is an absolute truth and I think atheist is a hard word. I would maybe call myself an aspiring physicist. Like I feel like there's all this information in the universe that we don't know the answers to yet. And and I think that that is in a lot of ways religion for me, you know, just kind of the unknown and the mystery and the power of all of that has on our lives and so I think for me I'm very comfortable in that Mystic power of the unknown of the universe right and but I I'm still fast.

36:29 Is with other people's like and maybe I'm making assumptions about your face, but you know how maybe a religion might might steal that for you and and I think that the power is still there and the beauty is still there and so on. So I assume we have that different I would say yes because I do believe in God as being the creator of the universe is a mysticism in that because God is to create a over everything but how does he get created in a cell? And so even though I when I was working Ashley, my manager was an atheist and then there were two other members of the team who are agnostic.

37:21 Times we would talk but it was it was a safe talk. It was a safe environment to talk to share some of the ideas and feelings because I don't push my religion of Christianity. I don't push that on to anybody but I too and I express how I feel and then I'm open to listening to your views and how you feel so that way we can find the common ground and then that's what we used to do. So, even if we were to continue the talk, I would want to know more about your your beliefs and how you came about to believe in that. Was it something in your childhood or was it in your young adulthood or you now you're older adults are especially have children have a teenager. So it would be interesting to hear more about that from you.

38:22 Ask me again, perhaps like what's the what part?

38:28 Batman ass again. Maybe I didn't understand though in this question was is there something about my beliefs that you don't agree with a still respect? Yes. So I

38:44 I don't disagree that there's potential that there could be a god certainly. I don't I don't disagree. I just don't feel the need to frame the unknown as a God, right? And so and I I don't I think I find a lot of times in our culture religion is the source of values and I don't think that's accurate. I think I feel like I have really strong lovely values. You know, my core belief is that

39:20 Every person has dignity and my existence shouldn't inflict on anyone else's dignity. Right? So because of that there's a mandate to be honest and kind and helpful and and I think that those are core values of of a lot of religions right so I can close that we have that. I don't I don't feel the need for the truth and a guide to fire might my values and so I think that I might disagree with you know, I need for a god figure but totally respect that that gives you comfort or you no Solace were power or energy, you know.

40:07 Tom and find where you look at the values

40:12 If if you if you respond if I respect you and you respect me and showing Integrity for each other kind of like the Golden Rule do unto others as you would want them to do unto you absolutely which is almost Universal in a lot of different religions. Absolutely again, every person every living creature in my belief has dignity. That should be honored right and my existence shouldn't take up any other more space or an infringe on anybody or any other living beings dignity or entitlement to that dignity, right?

40:51 Yeah, so

40:55 I'm wondering is there s something about my beliefs? I mean, I think they were that that's a mutual point. Is there any anything further about my beliefs? Maybe I think you and I actually have a tremendous amount in common. I do too. I do too because we already discussed how you felt about not necessarily need to have a god figure.

41:23 And that's fine with me. I do know of other religions feel the same way and they don't consider themselves to be atheist. They just believe in a different God our creator. So it's fine that your beliefs and I respect them. Thank you. I respect you as well.

41:49 Final thoughts or any questions that you wanted to ask me before we wrap up.

41:57 I'm just looking through my list here. I think we covered a lot of things.

42:04 What would you say that you learned from this time this time that we spent together till I see what was the one thing that you learned about Cynthia shut up. I learned I learned that.

42:24 It's easy to make a new friend at something. I think I already knew but you reaffirmed my my belief that it's it it if you take the time to get to know someone and just listen regardless of, you know us being different ages. They're from different walks of life or, you know different religious views. None of that stuff actually does labels or that that rapping if you will on the present doesn't much matter like I think you have such this beautiful spark in year. That is I can't help it shine in it, and I'm thankful that I got to be shared that with you today. So, thank you. Thank you. I'll my goodness.

43:09 Play any other final thoughts. I think my only other question I think would be is and it's a big question. And so maybe it's at the end here. It might be difficult.

43:25 Do you think that?

43:29 What are you I guess it's a question about race, right? And so I think that obviously we have some major racial issues in America right now. I'm standing here in the South and again not to throw it on you at the very end here but my question to you would be do you think we've come a long way in terms of equity for race? And what what are we missing right now as the culture in like how can a white woman be a better advocate for people who are non-white.

44:03 Well, I'll start with the last question to be a better Advocate to be open to listen.

44:10 Active listening is very important. And the fact that you asked this question of me and you're willing to listen, that's the first step to be there to hear what I say or somebody else might say

44:25 I think overall like I mentioned I come from a family that has been heavily involved in civil rights. So from that time perspective up until now we have things have changed a lot for the better.

44:44 Somewhere along the line and I'm still trying to figure out where on that timeline everything stop.

44:54 We don't have the same type of leadership that has continued to progress people overall not just African-Americans, but keep on minor IDs in general and I think one of the reason why people nowadays are protesting and then you have that offshoot of people rioting, which is not good.

45:19 Because we don't have that leadership that says, okay look listen. These are the easier to the man season two things that we're striving for less, less and less work towards getting these things fixed and done. I don't see what we have that kind of leadership. So people are all over the place. It's chaotic and that I for me like there's a problem.

45:47 Because nobody's sitting down and talking and listening.

45:53 I think we need to now. I don't know who it could be.

46:00 It's not me right now not in the general public in a smaller group probably but not overall in a national you need that one person that can fit people to talk it out and work it out. Not your size and like I don't want to hear what you have to say it and then they shut down that's not going to work and that's what's been happening in my opinion that nobody is listening to each other either side and we just don't have anything to go forward with and I think that's what the issue is. We have people out there protesting and they're expecting.

46:40 Results

46:43 But that's it. Is this a yes do this, but who's doing it? How should it be done? When can it be done? A lot of those questions and not being answered. That's how I see it. So we still have a ways to go. We have a long ways to go. But the main thing is we need to all sit talk and listen to each other and take it so that way it's not just a black and white thing or Asian and Hispanic thing or it's it's a people on human thing because it we all are affected by it.

47:23 Absolutely not. I think that's a really important. I think you're right. Like the unification of of of the leadership would would help and so I'm hopeful, you know that vice-president my parents might might be that person. You know, who I'm hopeful. Let's let's hope she doesn't

47:46 And when it's on the national level like that that yes that they will.

47:51 Put together our various ideas and people will coalesce and try to work with them to do things back stable. It's going to take a while because this is so much topsy-turvy and confusion that it's not going to be and they take two years three years before things really get stabilized I think because this is so much has gone on and here in Jacksonville. That's just so much that has bubbled up and and now it's hitting the surface so it's going to take a little time but we need to

48:28 Chill out has been really enjoyable experience and I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to get to meet you and perhaps we can you know, if you're up to it exchange information, we continue a conversation and future that I was going to ask you are you up to continuing the conversation in and talkin by Zuma telephone? Yeah.

49:07 We can disagree on that too.

49:15 I don't need any caffeine to give me a New York.