A conversation between Andrew Sa and Mareva Lindo. Andrew talks about his experiences taking the class Songwriting and the Creative Process with Sue Demel and describes the experience as group therapy and recommends the experience to everyone because it teaches empathy. Andrew explains that his parents are both musical, and describes his own progression from theater to music as his artistic practice. Mareva compares with her own experiences taking OTSFM classes as a child and a teen and her experiences working in the Albany Park Theater Project. This conversation was recorded at the school on September 27th, 2017. Go to www.oldtownschool.org/StoryCorps to hear selected excerpts from interviews collected as part of the StoryCorps-Old Town School partnership.