Barbara Roberts and Jennifer Roberts

[00:02] BARBARA ROBERTS: Hello. My name is Barbara Roberts. I'm here in Salt Lake City recording this. And I'm 84 years old, and it's September 12, 2022. My daughter Jenny is going to be my interview partner. Why don't you answer, Jenny?

[00:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: My name is Jenny Roberts. I am 60 years old again, the date is September 12, 2022, and we are located in Salt Lake City, Utah. And this is my mother, Barbara Roberts mom, aka grandma Barbara Barbara, where were you born and when?

[00:54] BARBARA ROBERTS: I was born in 1938 in Chicago, Illinois, at Ravenswood Hospital.

[01:02] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how long did you live in Chicago?

[01:05] BARBARA ROBERTS: I lived there until I was eight years old.

[01:08] JENNIFER ROBERTS: What would you say are your earliest memories of being in Chicago?

[01:14] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, my mother was from Sweden. My father was from Germany. We would go to my grandparents for dinner, and they insisted everyone speak German. And if you didn't, you had to put money in a jar. I remember my mother struggling with this. And in the afternoon, I would go with my cousin, and we would walk down the street to where a church was, and we would watch the weddings every weekend. So that was our fun. That was one thing I have a great memory of.

[01:48] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And which cousin was this?

[01:49] BARBARA ROBERTS: Ingrid.

[01:50] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Okay.

[01:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: Who all of my cousins have passed and have been gone for quite a while, so I'm the last rosentrader around.

[02:00] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what did you call your grandparents?

[02:03] BARBARA ROBERTS: Oma and Opa.

[02:04] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And so your grandparents lived separately. And do you recall what street that you lived on with your mother and father?

[02:17] BARBARA ROBERTS: I lived on Neenah Avenue, but I can't remember what the number is.

[02:22] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what were your grandparents like besides insisting that you speak German?

[02:26] BARBARA ROBERTS: They were lovely. And after we moved to California, they followed us. And my grandfather, during the war, kept us going because he worked in a sanitarium, and they allowed him to raise pigeons on the roof. And that was our meat source in our family.

[02:48] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Wow. Wow. And what. And how did your. How did your parents meet? You said that your mother was Swedish and your father was German, and their names were.

[03:05] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, my mother's name was Vivian Beamer Behmer, and my father's name was Otto Rosentrader. And I'm really not quite sure how they met, but I know that they, both the sisters and brothers of each family were acquainted and did seemed like some group activities.

[03:33] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So they met in Chicago?

[03:35] BARBARA ROBERTS: They met in Chicago.

[03:37] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how old were they when they immigrated to the United States?

[03:41] BARBARA ROBERTS: My mother was two. My father was 16. And so that was a big difference, because when he came, he spoke no English, and they put him in kindergarten, and he was a big guy, and he had to sit on the kindergarten chairs until the first year he made it to fourth grade. Then he got to sit in bigger chairs, and he finished high school and was basically an illustrator, an artist before World War one. I mean, World War two. During the war, he worked for an engineering firm and then decided that was what he wanted to do.

[04:32] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what year did you move to? You moved to California, is that correct?

[04:36] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes. Yeah.

[04:38] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how old were you when you moved to California?

[04:40] BARBARA ROBERTS: I was eight.

[04:42] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And do you remember a lot about that when you were, you know, when you first moved?

[04:47] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes. We lived in a tract of homes in Los Angeles that had been a bean farm. And these homes were very shoddy. They were just thrown up after the war. The school I attended there had no, was totally on blacktop asphalt. It was, all the classrooms were in trailers. We had no athletic equipment. It was really pretty dreary place.

[05:16] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what do you remember early on, early childhood with your mom and dad?

[05:24] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, my father always worked very hard. And when we moved to that house, it was a two bedroom house. My parents had one bedroom. My brother and I had the second bedroom. My father also used that bedroom for his office. So my little brother slept underneath his drawing board in that room. And so that was our house.

[05:49] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And your little brother is? Bill.

[05:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: Bill, who's four years younger than I am.

[05:55] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Okay. Do you remember any childhood memory, have any memories about Bill and you at that time, besides Bill sleeping under your dad's draft table?

[06:10] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, one of the things was my father, immediately after we moved there, decided this was not where we're going to live permanently. So the weekends we would be spending driving around other parts of southern California to find a place that he liked better. So he found what we called the ranch near Whittier, California, where we had an orange grove and avocados. And that was where we eventually moved two years later and built a house there.

[06:40] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So did Grandpa build the house, or was he involved in that?

[06:48] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes, he was, and he designed it. And my grandfather from Chicago, by that time, had moved out, and he put in a radiant heating system, which was unheard of at that time, probably one of the first radiant heating systems in 1940s. And I remember my father putting the roof on the house and my brother and I hauling the shingles up onto the roof for him to put on the house. So my father did a lot of work on the house.

[07:22] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what was grandma or your mother doing during this?

[07:26] BARBARA ROBERTS: All feeding us all the time. My mother loved to eat, and she liked to cook.

[07:33] JENNIFER ROBERTS: What are your favorite memories of her at that point or early on.

[07:42] BARBARA ROBERTS: She was a very kind person, a very giving person. Later in her year, she gave a lot of volunteer time in a hospital. My father traveled a lot with his business. I think that she really was responsible for most of the raising of us because my father seemed to be gone all the time.

[08:06] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So you lived in that house for how long?

[08:10] BARBARA ROBERTS: Till I got married.

[08:12] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Okay. And any other funny stories or stories that you remember growing up or with your parents and things that you did, you know, vacations or things that they were interested in?

[08:28] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, my father was much more interested in outdoors than my mother. But I have a picture in my house of my mother as assistant girl scout leader in, I think when we were in the 6th or 7th grade. And I remember going out on camp outs, which was not my mother's cup of tea, but it was just really an overstatement overnight at the beach. And my mother did not like to drive. She would drive. We had a model T Ford with a rubble seat, and she would drive maybe a couple of miles to a store. But any other driving, at least at that point, she did not like driving. It was not something she was comfortable with.

[09:18] JENNIFER ROBERTS: I know that she liked arts and crafts. Did you do a lot of arts and crafts as a Girl scout with her?

[09:25] BARBARA ROBERTS: Not really. And that's really interesting because now I'm very much into art. I think I got that from my father. She did a lot of knitting. She did a lot of sewing. When I was in musical productions in high school, there were a number of our other people that were in it with us whose parents didn't sew. And I remember her making costumes for a number of people in those shows. And she was very good as a seamstress. She made lots of beautiful things for me and evening gowns and really very beautiful things.

[10:11] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And she liked. And she volunteered and did arts and crafts later on at the hospital, didn't she?

[10:18] BARBARA ROBERTS: And she worked there at the presbyterian hospital, I think, for about 25 years.

[10:23] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Okay, so you're in Whittier, and this is where you met dad? My father? Yes, Jim.

[10:31] BARBARA ROBERTS: We have been together in January. It will be 70 years since we were 15 years old.

[10:40] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how did you meet him?

[10:43] BARBARA ROBERTS: He was in my junior class in a seat behind me, and we always laughed that he pulled my pigtails. Of course, I didn't have pigtails, but he said he just fell in love with me in that class. It took him a while to get me on the same page.

[11:00] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Did he have any nicknames for you or did anybody have any nicknames for you?

[11:07] BARBARA ROBERTS: No, I don't think so.

[11:09] JENNIFER ROBERTS: No. Barbie, maybe?

[11:11] BARBARA ROBERTS: My brother would call me that, but not really.

[11:15] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how was high school growing up and together?

[11:19] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, high school was very different than it is now. I was very athletic, but there were no girls sports, so there was a call of something called the Girls Athletic Association. GAA I was very active in that for the four years I was in high school. I was very active in putting together a review of dancing and singing, where we won first prize for two years our junior and senior year, I was in a musical group called the sharpettes, and we sang all the way through high school. So music and dance and all of those things were really an important part of my life.

[12:05] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you started dating dad and that continued all through high school?

[12:12] BARBARA ROBERTS: All through high school, all through college.

[12:15] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And where did you go to college?

[12:18] BARBARA ROBERTS: I went to Occidental College for two years, and then I transferred. We were engaged when your dad was at the naval academy, and so I transferred to University of Pennsylvania. I finished my undergraduate and did some graduate work there. Before I left Penn, I taught in upper Darby, Pennsylvania, for a semester in the 6th grade. Then after we were married and we were in Quantico, I taught there. And then I taught again in California and Oceanside, California, which is in southern California. I taught second grade there. So I really taught a wide variety of classes. And then after you were born, I did not teach anymore.

[13:15] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And I was born in 1961.

[13:19] BARBARA ROBERTS: That's correct.

[13:19] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Almost 61 years ago?

[13:21] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes.

[13:22] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Yes.

[13:22] BARBARA ROBERTS: While your father was overseas.

[13:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And why was that? Was that I would just say, was that planned or what happened?

[13:31] BARBARA ROBERTS: Actually, you were supposed to be born before he left and he left. All three of your children arrived, like, two weeks later than supposedly your due date.

[13:43] JENNIFER ROBERTS: I mean, I know in the service, that's not to say that there are lots of servicemen who are overseas when they're.

[13:50] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah. And at that time, the communication was just awful. Not like these people today enjoy. When we would talk to each other, it would be several words, and then we'd have to say over, and then they would respond and say over. So it was not an easy conversation, but we tried to talk to each other at least once or twice a month if that was all we were allowed to do. And he was in the Philippines, he was in Okinawa, and he was in Japan, and that was part of his group. Got sent to Vietnam, and then he came home.

[14:28] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And where were you living while dad was overseas?

[14:32] BARBARA ROBERTS: I was living with my mom and dad. Yeah. And that's where you were born.

[14:40] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And then he came home. And what happened then? You guys were still in Whittier or.

[14:48] BARBARA ROBERTS: No, we got stationed in 29 palms, which was a hellhole. You've heard this story. We got there and they had no housing for us, so we lived in a motel, which. There were no sidewalks in town. And I would push your stroller through the sand. He was on the base. We were in this motel. I still have a check for it. It was $12 for the week, including the little kitchenette. And the first night we were there, we heard a pounding on the. Sounded like our door. And it was the FBI and the base police rousting out the guy next to us who had been a bank robber. And his other person in that room was someone who was an escapee from a mental institution. And they were right next to us. And that was our first day in 29 palms. It got better. It had to get better. They lost some of our furniture, which was a very, very normal thing in the service. But we were there for a year. Your father was not happy with the situation where he had been. Had a very, very important position. And they got sent out to the desert and they had no idea what to do with him. So it was a very big error on their part because I think your dad would have stayed in the service. But that was the point at which he decided to go to law school.

[16:26] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So we got out and where did he go? And you guys moved to Berkeley, California. Right. And so you were there. And during that time, my sister Jill was born.

[16:38] BARBARA ROBERTS: That's right. I had a telephone answering service for my father's company. Jim had several jobs on campus. We were very poor. We were living on what I had saved from teaching for three years. And one of my favorite stories that you've heard, Jill or Jenny, is our little dog. Our little poodle.

[17:04] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Sudsie

[17:05] BARBARA ROBERTS: Sudsie that dog. I went. We were really didn't have much money. And I always watched what we bought very carefully. And they had this sale on some kind of meat. I can't remember. I bought it and I figured it would last five meals. And when I came home, you gave it to the dog.

[17:26] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And was I in trouble?

[17:28] BARBARA ROBERTS: Not really, honey. I mean, it was so damn funny. Anyway, the dog then ate it and threw it up. So we had. So it was a lot of craft dinner for the rest of the week because we didn't have any more money for the groceries. So anyway, that was one of our funnier stories.

[17:51] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what are your early memories of Jill and I together? And I know that there was an age difference, but yes.

[17:59] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah. Well, Jill was born while your dad was in the law school, and we went to a charity hospital. And you've heard the story about her later on coming to us and in a snit when she was a teenager and said, I can't believe you brought the right baby home from the nursery. I could not have been so perfect. And we all looked at her and she marched out of the room and we said, come back here. We know you are the right baby because you were the only white child in the nursery. That stopped her short. Anyway, loved Berkeley, but we had no money to do anything exciting there other than go to school. And everybody always says, oh, that must have been wonderful. He went to the restaurants in San Francisco and did all those things. They're like, not, didn't do that. I think the one outing we did in three years was to take you to the zoo in San Francisco. We just didn't have any money to do anything, and it was fine. We were happy. And, you know, money's not everything.

[19:11] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And it must have been an interesting time because was that during the.

[19:15] BARBARA ROBERTS: That was during the free speech movement at Berkeley? And at that time, all the schools were closed except for the law school, the engineering school and the nursing school. So most of the campus was in uproar for two out of those three years. It was an interesting time.

[19:37] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Yeah. When dad graduated from law school, then you moved to Southern California, correct? Right, yeah. And he started practicing law.

[19:49] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes.

[19:50] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you remain the homemaker and I.

[19:53] BARBARA ROBERTS: Remain the homemaker at that point. Well, actually, I volunteered at a church in and Kensington and Berkeley, but at that time, I volunteered at legal aid society, and that was sort of the rest of my life. I volunteered almost every place that we.

[20:14] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Lived, and, in fact, I didn't know about that. And then Bert was born.

[20:23] BARBARA ROBERTS: Bert was born a year after we got there. Yeah.

[20:27] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you lived in, this was Pasadena, correct?

[20:30] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes.

[20:30] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And how long did we live there?

[20:33] BARBARA ROBERTS: We lived there close to three years. Your dad wanted a little more space, and so we lived, moved to LA.

[20:45] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Canada, and that's pretty much where most of our growing up years were.

[20:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: Right. In your school years and everything. And I was very active in PTA there and assistance league. You were an assistant. Yeah. It was a good time. And I enjoyed, your father was gone all the time, and I enjoyed that volunteering. And, you know, it was a difficult time for us because he was gone a lot. And you guys know that.

[21:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Are there any stories or things that you recollect growing up in LA, Canada that were poignant in your life or besides that, dad was gone a lot.

[21:40] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah, we did a lot of entertaining. We had that big backyard. I think I did a number of. For Burt's school that he went to. I had a big fundraiser. I did a number of things for the athletics department at the high school. We had for tennis team and all of those things. So we really enjoyed that location because we had that big backyard, and we're able to do a lot of entertaining.

[22:14] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Did you like being home and staying home and being a mother?

[22:18] BARBARA ROBERTS: Oh, yeah. And because it wasn't, I just stayed home. I was busy in the community.

[22:25] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So that kept you busy and. Okay, all right. Did we get into trouble? And who was the person that laid down the law?

[22:37] BARBARA ROBERTS: Me. I was the one that was home. It was. I don't know if you remember, there were, I think, two graduations where your father had to fly in for the graduation. There were, you know, there were times when he was gone for three months in San Francisco. So anyway, I think I was probably the primary enforcer. Enforcer in chief.

[23:06] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And during that time, though, also we spent a year in Montana.

[23:11] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes, we did. Your father wanted a little break from what he was doing, and he taught law at the University of Montana. We enjoyed that very much. And during that time, we found a place that we loved during the summer and bought that cabin, a little shacky cabin on Flathead Lake. And that's been in our family now for over 50 years.

[23:37] JENNIFER ROBERTS: 51 years.

[23:38] BARBARA ROBERTS: 51 years.

[23:40] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what happened? And how did you end up in Park City, Utah?

[23:47] BARBARA ROBERTS: Because of you. You were thinking about coming to university of Utah, and we came up to visit a friend of ours who actually, at that time was president of the, uh. And I think you really liked it. And that's how we ended up here. And then we bought a condo, and the rest is sort of history.

[24:14] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you've been in Utah now for how many years? 37 years. Would that be? About right.

[24:22] BARBARA ROBERTS: Close to 40, I think.

[24:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then you've got grandchildren.

[24:32] BARBARA ROBERTS: We do. We have eight wonderful grandchildren.

[24:36] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And I know you've had a huge impact in each and every one of their lives. Did you like being a grandparent?

[24:45] BARBARA ROBERTS: Absolutely. I'm waiting to be a great grandfather parent.

[24:49] JENNIFER ROBERTS: We'll try and speed that along, but who knows? Do you know, how would you like to be remembered?

[25:00] BARBARA ROBERTS: I guess as a good mother and grandmother.

[25:05] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Do you have any regrets?

[25:08] BARBARA ROBERTS: No, not really. Not really.

[25:12] JENNIFER ROBERTS: If you were going to go back and you were going to learn or study anything, different. What would you be interested in?

[25:21] BARBARA ROBERTS: I think because at the time when I went to college, your options of what you became were very small. You were a nurse or a doctor, a nurse or a teacher. I think I would have been more interested in science. I'm very interested in science and geology and all of that now. And I, gosh, a woman, they wouldn't have dreamt of having a woman partake, taken any of that study.

[25:48] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And why geology specifically?

[25:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: Because of our relationship with the island and all the things that I found out about the world.

[26:01] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you've traveled quite a bit in the later years after we were out of the house. What were some of your favorite trips?

[26:10] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah, I think we almost. I think we almost touched every continent except Antarctica in our travels, because I became a travel agent, and when Jill went off to college, I became a travel agent. I did that for 20 years, and that was one way I could get your father out of the office was to go on a trip. But I did a lot of traveling by myself, too.

[26:42] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And those fan trips.

[26:44] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes. Travel agent fams, what would you say.

[26:47] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Are some of your favorite trips that you've taken over the years?

[26:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: I think we love Africa. We've been to Africa four times, and I really. We really love Africa. I think just fabulous, but we're too old to go back there now.

[27:01] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And what was it about Africa that you liked?

[27:04] BARBARA ROBERTS: Oh, I think the places where we were and all the wonderful animals we saw and the people were wonderful. It was just a wonderful experience.

[27:14] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you also took some trips with your siblings?

[27:19] BARBARA ROBERTS: My siblings. And we treated Jim's sister and her husband and to a nice trip there. One of the things that was really nice was in the. Toward the end of our lives is that we had more relationship with his sister, because I think one of the things that kept us from having more of a relationship was the direction that her children went, and we kept you away from that. And I don't know how you felt about that, but one of them died of drugs. I don't know. I just. You kids turned out entirely different from that family, and I. And after those kids were gone, we felt more comfortable traveling with her and being with her, which is very odd thing to say, but it's true.

[28:21] JENNIFER ROBERTS: No, that was just. You were. You were protecting your brood.

[28:24] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes, it's true.

[28:26] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Right. And so Africa. Any other places that kind of stand out where you've traveled with friends as well? I know that you made several trips down the Grand Canyon, didn't you? Yeah.

[28:42] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yep. Yep.

[28:44] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Yeah. And I think you enjoyed.

[28:45] BARBARA ROBERTS: We have three trips down Grand Canyon. We've walked out, we've hiked out, we've flown in. We've. Yeah, that was a memorable. We really enjoyed that, too.

[28:57] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And when dad retired, then, you know, kind of what were, you know, a lot of people say you reinvent yourself or whatever. What then? You know, at that point, you were living in Park City, but what. What did you become involved in as a couple or what did you do for?

[29:17] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, we became involved in art. And your father always had this talent in him. He did a little bit of. A little bit of that at the naval academy because he did cartoons. But anyway, he decided when we moved to Park City that he was getting out of law because everybody was. Lawyers were suing each other. It wasn't what he got into law doing. And then he decided one day that he really wanted to become an artist, and he basically started selling from the very first piece of art that he sculpted.

[29:59] JENNIFER ROBERTS: But you, what did you start doing?

[30:02] BARBARA ROBERTS: I started painting. Yeah. So I've. The two of us have had that connection and love for the last, you know, 2025 years that we've been able to do that together.

[30:16] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And that led you to San Miguel?

[30:19] BARBARA ROBERTS: That led us to San Miguel de Allende in Mexico, which was at one point, was strictly an artist colony. Now it's been become more discovered by the rest of the world. But we've been there for 20 some years. And, yeah, I know that you enjoy it also.

[30:43] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you speak Spanish.

[30:45] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah.

[30:46] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So that's really helpful there. And what is it you like about San Miguel?

[30:51] BARBARA ROBERTS: I think the people are really wonderful. I think we deliberately chose to live in a part of the town that is very hispanic, actually, we live on the oldest street in town. It is a town that is not involved with earthquakes, so everything is from there, from the 15th century. It's just a lovely place. And the people are wonderful. I just. I love it.

[31:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: The food's good.

[31:26] BARBARA ROBERTS: Food is good. And we've been able to help some people. We've put three kids through college, and we now have several younger kids that we're sending to school. So it's been a wonderful experience for us.

[31:45] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And so lucky that you can still go together.

[31:47] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes.

[31:48] JENNIFER ROBERTS: So these next questions are kind of like. And you may not have any thoughts about them or not, but what are your hopes for your grandchildren?

[32:03] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, I hope that they will be healthy. I hope that they will find something that they enjoy doing and that they will find that helping others is important.

[32:18] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Okay. What are the hopes? Or do you have or, sorry, what are you the most proudest of?

[32:37] BARBARA ROBERTS: I'm most proud of. I'm proud of my children, my grandchildren. I guess that's what I'm most proud about.

[32:52] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Is there anything that you've never told me that you want to tell me now?

[32:58] BARBARA ROBERTS: Not that I know of. I'm pretty open person.

[33:06] JENNIFER ROBERTS: If you could talk to a younger version of yourself, what would you say?

[33:11] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, given the circumstances in which I was raised, I think I had a very good life. And as I say, if I were to a young person in college now, I would have gone probably an entirely different direction than I did when I was. When I was. Because I've just found that I've been really interested in science and all of these things that I never would have thought of at that time because women didn't have a chance to do that in college. There were, like, three majors. You could have. You could be a teacher, you could be a nurse, or you could be a dental hygienist. I mean, really, our options were really very small.

[34:06] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Would you say that, in general that you're pleased with where women are today and their options?

[34:16] BARBARA ROBERTS: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm proud of what our grandchildren do. Your daughter's a doctor. I mean, I'm just proud of how women have come in my lifetime.

[34:35] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Is there anything that concerns you with what's happening in the world or where we are today?

[34:41] BARBARA ROBERTS: I'm scared to death with the drugs that we see. We see the drugs in Mexico, we see the drugs here. I think it's very scary.

[34:51] JENNIFER ROBERTS: You know, do you have any opinions on why that is, that we have these issues or why.

[35:01] BARBARA ROBERTS: I don't know whether it has to do with enforcement or what, but you have to be really, really careful, actually, I think our families that we're involved with in Mexico are in a safer situation than we are here.

[35:24] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Would you say that having, again, you being around and for us as young children or even as teenagers was a good thing in that regard, or I.

[35:40] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes, and I joined every moment of it, whether I had been working during that time instead of just spending time volunteering, maybe it would have been different, but it was a perfect situation where I could afford to be home with you, but I also could afford to be a volunteer and doing all, you know, you know, in the schools and all of those things that I did over those years. But I think I have to admit, when I was volunteering in the attendance office in the high school, that was my way of keeping track of you guys as high school students.

[36:23] JENNIFER ROBERTS: And you did and I did, embarrassingly so, yes. We're gonna start kind of wrapping this up, but I know that life is different and you're at a different phase in your life with dad. Do you have anything you wanna say about that or.

[36:44] BARBARA ROBERTS: Well, it's difficult, and every day is different, and so I just have to be very adaptable.

[36:52] JENNIFER ROBERTS: But we're so lucky that you're two. You're still alive, and you. And you are dad, are still together. And are there moments that you feel the same way that you did when you were high school students?

[37:07] BARBARA ROBERTS: Sure.

[37:10] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Is it. Is it when you're that age, does it still feel like you're. You're 16 years old inside at times?

[37:19] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yes. And he would probably say, yeah, I was, like, acting like I was five years old. You have to have a good sense of humor.

[37:32] JENNIFER ROBERTS: Would you say that? Yeah. The two of you make a whole.

[37:35] BARBARA ROBERTS: Yeah. Well.

[37:41] JENNIFER ROBERTS: I think it's pretty wonderful.

[37:43] BARBARA ROBERTS: We're very lucky every day, for sure.