Bruce Caine and Elaine Caine

00:06 I need Lane Oakley Kane. And I am 68 years old. Today is Wednesday, April 14th to 2021. And I am recording from Mount Pleasant South Carolina with my husband Bruce T. Woody came who is Elijah's that he is. My husband,, My name is typically go by Woody. What are you saying? I'm Seventy-Six years old. A retired military officer. Today's date is Wednesday, April 14th to 2021 and I'm recording in our home at in Mount Pleasant South Carolina with my lovely wife. In 2008, Vanderbilt University Medical Center administrators Retreat. You were a principal presenter and I was so sick director of Grants management and required.

01:06 Go to the retreat, you had been a widower for a year and a half and I have been divorced for three years. The first time I met you I wondered, when did you discover that you wanted to serve in the military ID. I played with Toy Soldiers. We played guns on the beach. I read comic books of all those sorts of things. It was just as a Boy Scout as well. I came to have a sense of commitment to service and I thought this was an excellent way to do it. So I went through the Army ROTC program at the College of William and Mary where I graduated in June of 1966 and was commissioned as a regular Army, infantry officer.

01:57 And that's that was the track and that's how it ended up. So you just mentioned the ROTC. I was been wondering you started college in 1962 and you had a college just because that was during the build-up of American Military involvement in Vietnam. Why did you choose the ROTC program officer? That was the best way for me to go. I could have competed for an assignment to West Point but chose not to the ROTC program at the College of William and Mary was was a great place to be because they had a wonderful drill team called the Queen's guard. And I participated in the Queen's guard in my final year there. I was the commander of the drill team in the Queen's guard, that commemorates the college's connection with British royalty. We wore the Busby hats, and the bright red coat and and competed and drilled in British style, 18th century British.

03:00 The reason I was lucky in that sense, was it as a college student? I had a deferment from the draft and shortly after I was commissioned that was at the officer basic course, in Fort Benning, Georgia when my mother forward, it to me a letter from my draft board, in Hempstead, New York draft, for number 5, notified me that I was not eligible for the draft, and that I should report for a visit. So, I wrote them a letter. Sent them a copy of my active duty orders and a knowledge man of my rank as a second lieutenant in the United States Army and that I was Boris not eligible for the draft. Well, I thought that would be the end of it.

03:39 Not so.

03:41 About 14 months later. I'm serving in Germany with a mechanized infantry battalion when I received another letter from my mom. Also, including a very demonstrative letter from draft. For number 5, demanding that I report immediately for induction. So on Military letterhead, I've send another letter telling them that I was. Now a first lieutenant of infantry and already on active duty in Germany should have been the end of the message.

04:09 I'm in Vietnam summer of 1968, 69 Chevy with a Vietnamese infantry battalion out in the field and the last Light. Reconnaissance pilot flew around, check the area around us and dropped a sand bag filled with a six pack of beer and a package of letters for me and my sergeant with this Vietnamese unit and it was another letter from my draft board.

04:35 So I decided we got to do something about this. So I took a c, ration cardboard, see Russian box on folded, it, and wrote on it with a grease pencil. Do your draft board number 5. If you can get the president United States to release me from my current active duty commitment, in the Republic of Vietnam, and send me an airline ticket. I'd be more than pleased to come home and discuss this matter with you, find Captain Bruce T can come but assistance, team, 60 Republic of Vietnam to make sure they got the point. We chopped the head off a chicken that night for dinner. So I sprinkle some chicken blood on my message with the rice. Bran Jennifer little Patty mode on a folded. It up put the address on it, taped it up for the free in the upper right hand corner. Put in a plastic bag to protect it and gave it to the next Medevac pilot that came in to pick up any of casualty from my unit. And the pilot of that aircraft was a medal of honor winner in Vietnam, and he told Chief looked at me and looked at the letter and said, you got drafted and I said, yep, cheap third.

05:35 He said I'll make sure it gets mailed. I never heard from Jeff Gordon. Ever five. Again. You mentioned that several assignments there. So I want to go back to your first active duty assignment was in Germany. Are there any special memories? You have? I guess I was not too bright as I should have been. Instead of studying German in college. I studied French which wasn't much help, but I get to Germany and I'm not in German speaker and after the first week or so on post. I'm assigned to lead my unit on a field training exercise and we drove out of the post. In our armored personnel, carriers be in the lead in the forward, carrier heading down the old and I've got a map. I know where I'm supposed to turn off off the road to go to this town so we can get to the training area and we're going along. I was thinking was getting closed and I saw a sign.

06:35 But the sign wasn't the name of the town. I couldn't figure that out. The sign said are smart. And that wasn't where I was supposed to turn that was in the town. I drove right by the exit because a spark is exit in German turning around column of 17 armored personnel carriers at three trucks on an Autobahn. It's a really tricky operation. I got my butt chewed out from my company Commander, but I learned a very important lesson know where you're going and know how to read the signs.

07:07 I next had a fascinating experience because we had nuclear weapons in in Germany during that period of time. They were stored in special ammunition Depot, and my unit was one of the units that had temporary guard responsibilities over that unit. So one week I was sent out with my platoon to guard the nuclear weapons site. Well, we've been out there for about 3 days, late at night and all of a sudden, we look out. One of my guards said, Hey, sir, there's a whole bunch of guys with torches heading our way. And it was a crowd from the local community marching out chanting nukes away Luke's away. Well, I was responsible for protecting those weapons and we had live ammunitions. I also had tear gas grenades. I had to make the decision. I called in the report told him what was happening. I knew that if they tried to breach the outer fence. I was authorized to use the tear gas.

08:07 First and then live rounds against civilians. Well, fortunately before they managed to breach, the even get close to the fence. The German police arrived with their, absolutely marvellous billy clubs and cleared out the crowd and save me from having to make a Nestle terrible decision.

08:26 Maybe the best exercise in my time in Germany was taking my platoon of city, kids to Bethel to serve as a special unit with a Special Forces Unit undergoing, its annual test group of 12, very highly qualified. Soldiers were supposed to take my kids and me out as a gorilla band, and to serve over a two-week two-and-a-half week. In their exercise, in the foothills of the Alps. Well,

09:00 My kids would never camped out. Most of them were city kids. I we didn't have rough sex or anything like that to carry our gear. So I had to teach my kids, how to make a blanket roll. Like the old Civil War soldiers, and how to use a spare pair of fatigue pants as their rucksack. The Special Forces guys. Got a lot of kick out of that wonderful job. They were very effective working with these Special Forces soldiers. And for me, it was a marvelous training exercise. I even got to go on a special operations with one of the sergeants, which ended up being an adventure with an adventure. That's kind of service in the military was like, for me at that time. Everything was knew everything was challenged. Everything was remarkable.

09:46 But then again, you run across some of the most interesting problems. It's the Christmas holidays, the end of 1967.

09:59 We are in the Officers Club dressed in our blue uniforms for the New Year's Eve celebration when the phone rings at the bar and the bartender waves, the Brigade executive officer over and says he looks at it listens. Did you check? Do you? Make sure this was right. He comes back. He whispers in the ear of the Brigade commanders within jumps up. Grab the microphone from the people on the stage singing. Their songs that says gentleman. We have a u, US Army wide alert. We are deployed out to our Readiness positions. Get to your units and move out.

10:36 It's incredible.

10:39 We knew that, if the Russians ever attacked at the Soviet Union ever attacked, it would probably be at a place at a time when we wouldn't be ready to go. And what better Point New Year's Eve. So we didn't know whether this was a real alert or a test alert, but we reacted the same way. Can I interrupt you here? And you can tell me how close you were to order where they might have been in Germany was less than 60 miles from the West, German East, German border. And if anybody had come across by high-performance aircraft, a Reason by helicopters, and we figured the first thing they would use would be chemical weapons.

11:23 I wouldn't have taken hardly any time at all. So we had to get off the post and deploy out to our area. I raced over to my unit still in my blue uniform, took off my shoes put on my Mickey Mouse winter boots, Put on my coveralls in my winter jacket. My dear Open up, The Arms Room. Started, issuing weapons went through all the routines. I headed down to the motor pool. I get down to the motor pool. We're starting the engines on the tracks were getting ready to go. I got the guys lined up.

11:53 Nobody can find the key to the truck Park gate gate. So, I jumped up on the 1st armored. Personnel carrier said to the soldier in the driver's compartment Soldier. I want you to Ram the dates. He looks at me. I ain't doing that. They'll court-martial me. I ain't doing that.

12:11 Stop being me. I said, get out of the hatch. He climbs out climbs in the back. I get in the driver's seat and ran over the track part and got my unit out to the deployment area. We stayed out there for about four and a half hours and then we'll recalled back to our units.

12:30 That was the only damage that happened there. A tank ran through a German Village on their deployment, hit the corner of a building and ended up with a lady sitting in her bathtub hanging from the plumbing with the walls around her falling down.

12:46 We had to be ready to fight at any time. I've always thought of myself as a cold warrior and that was part of the business of being in a cold war situation, having to be ready to go to a hot War at any time. I am sure your parents would want to hear what happened to the lady hanging in here. I'm sure we all were very careful about damaging the German property and German livestock and crops, that was part of the game that we played. So your next assignment was in Vietnam, in Vietnam during 1968 to 1969. The Puritans considered by many to be the most difficult. Where did you serve? I was very fortunate. I was originally assigned it invaded to go to Vietnam to be an adviser to a training center, little place called lie. To you training, center, northwest of Saigon.

13:43 Because I had some experience in Personnel matters. I was taking temporary Duty and send to the southern part of Vietnam called, for court down in the Delta, to a town called Canto. And that was given the assignment under top-secret rules to redesign The Advisory effort for the the US military. Under the concept of turning the war in Vietnam, over to the Vietnamese, Vietnamese station was a top-secret label and the plans were top secret, is that time? And I have a top secret clearance. So I got to be the planner, spend a lot of time in the bank. Vault downtown can't go because the only secure location we could get to put the and have all these discussions and make things happen.

14:30 What I ended up doing was redesigning, the The Advisory program to recognize that many young officers like myself. If we were assigned to a Vietnamese unit that the officers in this gorgeous and that you had much more combat experience than any of us stood. And saw the term advisor, didn't make any sense in 1968-69.

14:50 We were called the title that I gave to this thing and that was approved by the military assistance command was combat assistance, team leaders or combat assistance team commanders in the higher levels, and that plan was approved. And then I got the great Misfortune of Being able to go out.

15:08 And test what I had designed that isn't a really interesting situation. You figured out what this thing was supposed to be. Now you go out and do it and see if it actually works and it was successful. So you you served as a combat assistant team advisor for how long I did that job for almost 4 and 1/2 months, where anyone, especially, admired, while you were serving there until we have a thing called the Vietnam, experience in people come by and talk to me. And ask me what I did in Vietnam and I said, I had the great Good Fortune of being assigned. To a unit was commanded by a man named captain died. We Vietnamese New Year. Me, who was the 10-year veteran of the war? One of the most ethical incredibly dedicated compassionate,

16:08 People I have ever known. He was a marvelous commander who took very good care of his soldiers, took very good care of his of the civilians in his area. He was responsible, and he taught me how to lead in a combat situation. He had three very simple rules and I is at the college professor in business and Leadership. I love sharing. These is number one, rule was never waste a soldier's life and what he meant by. That is not only their physical life, but their imagination creativity. Their energy, their time pretty good lesson for anyone in the leadership position. Don't waste your people's lives. Second rule was never fight a fight, you can't win which I always thought was a fascinating idea, but you set the odds up in your

16:58 And then you take action, make sure you're right and then go ahead.

17:02 And third rule, we lived in the world of booby-traps improvised explosive devices in the more recent vernacular.

17:10 That we may use guidance to his soldiers and the way he trained, his people was see the thing that shouldn't be there.

17:18 That's either a risk, a thread or is he pointed out an opportunity to fix something that needs fixing? I love those lessons that we me was my great mentor and I was just marvelously lucky to have served with him. Talking with you, tell us about his idea about wasting ammunition, the Vietnam War and other places to a lot of people who just shoot ammo.

18:01 I'm not a believer in that but died. We me is the one who taught me. This, we were just issued M16s when I joined. His unit was just issued and sixties. When I joined his unit. He mandated all of his soldiers, never turn that weapon on. Florida, Matic, if you have a Target and you can't take that Target out with one shot, don't shoot because you're likely to spread bullets around and hurt civilians or unnecessarily.

18:29 Incredibly impactful thing. First of all, you realize were carrying all the ammo and everything was as we're out like mobile infantry. We moved across rivers and canals six eight times a day and you got to carry it. You don't want to waste it. In his rule about the engagement of enemy targets, was an absolutely wonderful one. I believe that applies to an awful lot of things in life. If you can't solve the problem, then back off and figure out a better way to solve it.

19:00 Don't waste ammo of any kind words or otherwise on something that you're not going to be successful at.

19:09 I mentioned about crossing rivers, and canals is 5,000 miles of navigable, waterways south of Saigon in, in Vietnam.

19:17 Have two soldiers in the unit that I joined, where local kits and Vietnam and that's what I we meet. Did he recruited locally? Because he said, I want them have connections with the community's, they're defending. But you also got draftees from other places and many of the city kids and never learned how to swim. Well, I'm an old beach lifeguard a waterfront director, for Boy Scouts. I talked over a hundred Vietnamese soldiers, how to swim. And every time we cross the canal, I swam ropes across the river to time off on the other side so that the kids who weren't fully comfortable swimming across in their Pancho rest could pull themselves across the river.

19:55 That's not an infantry officers MOS. That's not one of our assigned duties, but it was something that I found everybody has one.

20:09 So after you left your Nam you served again in Germany. Do you have any unique memories from your second? German? Tell Hunter stories about my service in in Germany end of things. But let me do this one cuz this is one that's important to me. It says something about how we look at each other and how we deal with each other.

20:36 I got a soldier in my unit, who was short and overweight, and kind of a bumbler, and he was picked on by all of the other guys in the unit. And I had this image of a television program from the 1950s called, the Sergeant Bilko show, where he had a soldier in that unit. Who was nicknamed Doberman.

21:00 Well, I had this kid who was being picked on so we were getting ready to do some discounted training in a local area. Nearby. Can you refer to him as Doberman and I will call him that that was in my head cuz I would set this with Soldier. He was private, so install, but I took the good private and made him my radio operator because I wanted to get him out of the unit where he was having some trouble and give him a chance to get his feet on the ground on a field exercise. Moving through the woods of a boar Farm where the Germans have animals that are hunted under very rigorous controls. We didn't figure we'd bump into anybody cuz we're on the boundary, but we're walking along and all of a sudden out of the, the woods comes this, huge wild boar. Am I yelled scatter? Climb trees and all my kids could roelly Terry blanks in our M16 rifles.

22:00 You don't have anything to defend ourselves with. I want to scatter. Everybody moves, accept Doberman.

22:07 He stood in the middle of the trail.

22:10 And just stood there.

22:12 And as that boar moved in on him, he pulled the radio the prc-25 way in 27, lb office back.

22:20 And smack that bore right on the head and the more backed up. Two steps looked at a doberman. Smack him again with the ring, and the board turned around and pushed off into the woods.

22:35 That young man became a hero of the of everybody in the unit because he's a guy who understood standing your ground in the face of a dangerous situation. He was he was an example of you. Never know. What somebody's capable of very special Soldier. Very special guy, you met when you first arrived at the spa thing in you first met your York, your company. You talk about being embarrassed.

23:10 I came in from germ from from Vietnam. I've only been in the United States for two weeks from my tour in Vietnam to getting back to Germany, with my my late wife, Pam. We flew to Germany together and I was assigned to the 2nd battalion 48th Infantry.

23:28 I meant the commanding officer and he said to be Captain Kain, you're not a second senior officer in this Battalion. And I was a senior officer with little less than 4 years on active duty to make you my executive officer of my operations officer, but I'm not going to do that because I don't like staff. So I bring all the dumb lieutenants up here. I'm sending you down to be company. Not long ago. I said it be company disappeared. No one would miss it. Son. You got race problems. You got drug problems. You got alcohol problems. You got maintenance problems. You've got Supply from Shan. You got problems. Go up there and fix.

24:07 I saluted and said, yes, sir.

24:10 I got there and realized that the problems.

24:15 Were probably made as a result of.

24:19 An experienced commanders, and unlike of understanding of who was in that unit. You can just see, is I recognize that looked at it. I realized it 60% of the soldiers in that company were Vietnam, returnees two-year draftees with six months or less to go on. Their active-duty time. Was that of being released in the United States. Was sent to Germany for their last half a year.

24:47 Well, they're combat veterans.

24:50 So, I don't know. I got to talk to these guys. Well, it's November in Germany and it's dark in the morning and I hear unit assembling out of side of my orderly room, which was right next to Charlie, company's orderly room. And I went outside said to the Sardine formation, starting to like to speak to the unit, he turns around and kind of what you mean strange. Yes, sir. And I put the unit at Eddie's and I said to myself and I said, few nice things. I should gentleman. I want you to take a look to your right in your left. If the guy next to you as we're in a combat infantryman's badge in a combat badge. He's a Survivor like I am.

25:28 If you're not wearing combat patch, not being not having been in combat. You're probably going. I turned to the guys who had served as I had in Vietnam. I said gentlemen, our job is to train these guys. Will they come back as survivors to?

25:44 I thought that would Inspire. So I walked back into my orderly room and had four lieutenants trying to keep from laughing. A company clerk will look terribly embarrassed and a first sergeant who just shook his head and I said, did I say something funny gentleman, and the bravest of those lieutenants looked up to me and said it was a wonderful speech trouble was that was Charlie Company. D company hasn't gotten organized yet. So I made the same speech, a second time course, my kids and hurt it. But the point was that unit, turned into a wonderful company. Those soldiers were incredibly dedicated. They took care of each other. They did everything. I asked them to do one more. They were they were good American soldiers.

26:34 You wanted to be their leader instead of just help but listen to I have a question was there. Anybody has any special person that you served in Germany? I have a lots of of good friends that I served with in Germany at a time. Maybe I could pick any of them. But the one out I'll mention the the second Battalion Commander. I worked for there in the 2nd of 48th infantry was William H, Harrison Harrison took command of the Battalion and

27:05 Was a man who had an understanding of how the Army supposed to work. Was a man who understood the system. Understood how we make the best use of his of resources. He pulled me up to his staff, may be his operations officer and gave me an opportunity to learn and train and, and become a more effective leader because I had that experience working under a man who understood how to coach how to teach, how to train, I bumped into General Harrison Colonel, Harrison at Fort Benning Georgia a number of years later and many years later when I was serving as the professor of military science at Northeast Missouri, State University and getting ready to retire from active duty. I got a call from General Harrison Brigadier General promotable Harrison from Korea. He said,

27:52 But you do sound High. You said, what is the reason I'm calling is? I've been selected to command the 7th Infantry Division at Fort Ord, California and the convert that uniform a unit with a mission to get ready to get ready into the 1st. Light Infantry Division in the United States Army to be part of the Readiness Force, the rapid deployment force. And they've given me permission to pick any of the senior officers. I want. Well, I thought he wanted me to be his operations officer G3.

28:23 You said, Woody? I want you to come and do my Inspector General and I thought what?

28:29 Is everybody has a funny idea about what inspector General's, do they get people in trouble and they pick on people in the way? I said, sir. He said, what do you listen to me? I need someone as my eyes and ears who will tell me the truth and keep telling me the truth until I listen, and you're one of the few officers. I know in the United States Army who will do that, and you won't let me get away with doing something stupid. I need you as my Ig. So I went to Fort Ord, California, but my retirement papers away and went to Fort Ord. California as the Inspector, General of the 7th Infantry Division, and the installation, a wonderful job, General Harrison three stars continue to command, and he has actually had in the civilian life became a community leader and has a school named after him up in Washington state. And absolutely incredibly wonderful man who deserved every recognition that he received. Does he care?

29:29 Good people first and foremost. So it sounds like you've got, you had several different assignments. Is there any one particular one that you felt was an opportunity? I think maybe the example of that is, is this one?

29:52 I was the operations and training officer of the first brigade of the 1st Infantry Division. In Fort Riley, Kansas after having gone through Advanced Training and having taught at West Point, and I'm learning my bed getting back into learning my profession. And one of the exercises that we had was

30:13 Was serving in a thing called a referred your exercise return. The forces to German planning and taking the entire Brigade over to Germany, going to equipment in Germany, and then having the great opportunity of maneuvering with a German divisions against the Canadian Force. Well, we were successful in that exercise and they were wrapping up the time and I get a message report back to Fort Riley. Immediately. The Commanding General has a special assignment for you. I bought I was going to get sent to the new National Training Center when I got back to Fort Riley, General York said to me, I was going to do that to me chain.

30:56 What you're going to do is organize the Force modernization program for this installation in this division. Nobody knows anything about this, but it's a hundred different things and you, because you got a degree in social psychology and organizational behavior, and you're a graduate of command and general staff college and the Armed Forces Staff, College, your mind, you're going to run this program, being the chief of force modernization in that early Europe was, was the process of integrating a change in division structure, 600 new equipment systems, a new personnel management system and a new doctrine for operations called AirLand Battle.

31:38 Talk about a job that made you put Bunches of pieces together. It was it was fun. It was exciting. It was interesting and I enjoy doing it. You mention that you have a PHD in social psychology in the few minutes. We have left. What would you explain to us to me? When I was in Vietnam, I meant I meant officer. Who had served on the faculty at West Point.

32:08 He encouraged me to apply to teach there. I didn't know they had non West Point graduates teaching, but half the faculty was none West point spreads. So I applied. They said, here's some things you have to do first. So I went for my second tour in German on my way home from that second tour in Germany in 1972, in the fall of 1972, has stopped with my parents home on Milana. I'm going to drive up to the academy, which is up the Hudson River. Of course, it's the, why did the director of the program and Leadership and organizational behavior and pulled on tonight to walk for a while? And he pointed out to me. So, you know, we got over a hundred candidates for 10 positions here in the department. So, you're in a competition. I said, I understood that sir. Would you like to meet Colonel? Buckley the head of the department? I said, yes, sir. I would love to and we walk into Colonel Buckley's office and they are sitting around his

33:07 Staple or nine other full Colonels. All of the other department chairs and Colonel. Buckley looks up to me and says, damn game. I understand you just come in from Germany and there's a whole lot of interesting things going, and as you might him, as you do, very well. I talked for 40 minutes, straight explaining all the things that were we were doing from race relations, and drug abuse to new equipment systems to new training methodologies, and

33:38 At the point at one time, he says,

33:42 What gentleman, we're like 10 minutes for the meeting with the dean and is, he's walking out. He turns to Colonel Bas and he says, hired this guy. So that's how I ended up at West Point. I went to graduate school, completed a master's and a doctorate and its social psychology and organizational behavior at the University of Florida.

34:03 And so in our short time left, I guess that maybe from that you could go ahead and explain how even though you are retired three times and it has my career. I can't stand the idea of being retired. I don't know why it just doesn't work for me. I had a wonderful retirement ceremony from my ROTC, commanded Vanderbilt University in late, August of

34:32 1992. We were on the fringes of a hurricane when it happened, and where it has one. Wonderful old. Building was a great ceremony. I completed that went back to my ROTC office, picked up my briefcase and walk 30 seconds to my new office. At Peabody College of Vanderbilt University in the Department of Behavioral Sciences and was given was assigned the job of organizing a program in leadership and organizational Effectiveness and added that the great joy of teaching there and working on that program, which was very successful. As we had wonderful people in the program for a number of years.

35:16 And I went immediately to work full time at Belmont University, which was just up the road a little bit from Vanderbilt and somebody in their psychology department, their business department and their education department has both the graduate and undergraduate level. That I retired from Belmont in 2014. And I said, let's move back to the beach cuz we're both be kids. We both grew up on the ocean. And so we moved to Mount Pleasant South Carolina. And of course Elaine was very active and got very involved in musical performance. I know you know what you did, but I think it's before you go over to the Citadel, South Carolina military and apply for an adjunct teaching position. So that's how I ended up still teaching.

36:07 I love you before we go. Would you do me a favor? And, and reiterate, my favorite story about scramble pancakes? What a wonderful way to end.

36:22 As a young boy, scout on my first, overnight camp out on Long Island.

36:28 I woke up in the morning after partially freezing all night because it rained and I pitched my tent on the side of a hill. In the rain washed down in there. I got up and I got my fire started and I got ready to make my pancake breakfast and the scoutmaster walked over. And he looked at me and he said, Sunday's you put Nee grease in that pan. And I said I didn't have any and he said, oh well, if you got a spatula to turn over that pan, Jake and I said, no, sir. He looked at it. He said you pretty much filled up that pan with pancake batter. What are you going to do? And I reached over and picked up my fork and said I'm going to scramble it and that's what I did.

37:11 And I know told me that story one or uppers or second date and I was just Joe and dressed cuz it's that it happened to me. I would have burst into tears and said, I'm a complete failure. I'm never going to be a Boy Scout and here, and that's the difference between us and I'm a scramble pancakes. Kind of guy. I'll find something to fix it and try to make it work to the best of my ability. I'll follow those rules that died. We meet bought me a follow. Those guidelines did William H Harris in my general called me about the idea of of living to. The best of your ability is the best lessons that I took from my military career. They taught me about dedication and focus on people accomplish the mission and take care of your folks. There's no more important thing to learn as a soldier than those things.

38:11 After you're no longer sister, thank you. Thank you for asking questions. I appreciate it.