Charles Kramer and Doug Small

Recorded January 3, 2023 Archived January 3, 2023 51:10 minutes
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Id: APP3700363


[Recorded: Tuesday, November 15th, 2022]
Charles (30) and Doug (68) have a virtual One Small Step conversation in Charlottesville, Virginia. The pair begin by mourning the loss of Lavel Davis Jr., Devin Chandler, and D'Sean Perry, who were killed in a shooting at UVA two days earlier. They move on to discuss their respective ideologies and their experiences living in big cities versus smaller towns. The two bond over maneuvering disabilities, and Doug offers words of wisdom for Charles.


  • Doug Small
  • Charles Kramer
  • One Small Step at UVA

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