Philip Wieland and Barbara Krantz

00:03 My name is Barbara Krantz. My maiden name is Barbara Weiland and I am 46 years old today is August 24th, 2013 and I'm at the Chicago Cultural Center in Chicago, Illinois. And I'm here as the daughter of a fill Weiland who was here with me today.

00:26 A my name is Philip Lehman. I am 83 years old.

00:32 And today's date is August 24th night 2013 at the Chicago Cultural Center. And Barbara is my youngest daughter.

00:47 Okay, Dad. So tell me something about the early years our ancestry and our family.

01:01 Find us the way to the current date.

01:07 We go back to your old from both sides.

01:13 And I'm

01:16 On

01:18 My mother's side.

01:21 We are family came from Ireland from Kilkenny

01:28 And I Mayo counties.

01:31 And I'm

01:33 On my father's side.

01:38 Family came from a place called room in Germany.

01:45 MyON.

01:48 Great grandfather

01:51 I'm a maternal great-great-grandfather.

01:56 His name is Fitzpatrick, and he came over.

02:03 It is a grandfather came to this country.

02:09 From

02:11 Ireland

02:13 And

02:15 They settled in.

02:18 Northeastern, Iowa on a farm

02:21 Prior to that.

02:25 The

02:27 The family

02:30 Came from

02:34 A agricultural background

02:38 And they

02:42 Lived on several times in the Strawberry Point, Greeley, Iowa area

02:52 And interesting me enough fired of the Civil War.

02:58 Their family and their families Farms. We're weigh stations on the Underground Railway.

03:06 In Iowa and Iowa

03:09 And when I was a small boy my grandfather and grandmother took me out to the farm and showed me the little secret cubby holes in the

03:20 In the farm that we're runaway African-Americans or slaves would hide and they told me stories about southern people coming up and looking for The Runaways and they never gave up any of them in those days the runaway slaves would stop.

03:50 Every so many days along a whole series of weigh stations up to Mississippi on their way to Canada. There was there was another underground highway that ran.

04:04 Along the Eastern seaboard

04:08 What's up, we were very proud of the fact that the

04:12 Our family of was so active in this particular regard.

04:17 My grandmother's family.

04:22 Came from an area in eastern Pennsylvania called the Delaware Water Gap.

04:28 And my great-grandmother.

04:32 Ellen Island Burger came from a religious Heritage called based in the Dutch Reformed Church.

04:41 And they grew up in an area called the Delaware Water Gap.

04:47 Migraine my great-grandmother lived in a house that was built in 1753.

04:56 And

04:58 It still stands today.

05:01 For a long time it was the home of a very famous band leader called Fred Waring.

05:11 In a place called Shawnee on the Delaware.

05:15 In any event

05:18 My great-grandfather Patrick Murphy

05:24 Who was obviously not a Pennsylvania Dutch individual?

05:29 Came into that area as the railroads were pushing West.

05:34 And was taken by my great-grandmother.

05:38 And they eloped.

05:40 And started coming West

05:45 In a covered wagon

05:48 My great-grandfather was a

05:53 Hey.

05:56 Bible what do you call a of somebody who is a

06:04 In charge of the workers at Forman Forman Forman

06:12 And

06:14 Along the way they would stop and start stone quarries Quarry the stone which was the bed for the rails the railroad and it pushed Westward. They got as far west as Eastern, Iowa.

06:29 And he homesteaded

06:34 Hey.

06:37 A farm

06:41 In Eastern, Iowa between Iowa City and

06:47 Cedar Rapids even before Iowa became a state

06:54 He was born in.

07:02 He was born in 1822. This is Patrick Murphy Patrick Murphy.

07:13 He came from Kilkenny.

07:15 In any event

07:18 Thoughts of my paternal grandparents

07:23 And my maternal grandparents

07:26 Came from very large families, which was the the rule in those days. My grandfather's was one of the youngest of

07:36 The family of 15 children and my

07:42 Grandmother by maternal grandmother

07:47 Was one of us

07:52 13 children

07:57 It was interesting because they came in to Iowa City which was which was the earliest capital of the first state.

08:12 The territory of Iowa

08:15 And then the state of Iowa and Iowa City.

08:18 And my and my grandfather

08:22 That my great-grandfather Murphy to is Stone quarrying activities. I built the Old Capitol Inn.

08:32 On the campus at the University of Iowa and Iowa City telling me about that.

08:40 Venom

08:43 Let's see getting back to

08:48 Maya maternal grandmother heard her. First name was Maurice witching in today. There's not many females who have that name of Maurice Maurice, but there were in those days and the Irishman.

09:07 Murphy

09:09 Left Ireland and took a trip over to France.

09:16 And Matt

09:17 This French woman whose name was Maurice.

09:22 He married her and took her back to Ireland before they came to this country.

09:28 And that's how I

09:31 My grandmother got the the name Maurice and my sister has the name Maurice so that that name is becoming family first name in honor of that for bear.

09:45 Let's see. Does that take care of everybody on the yeah.

09:50 And that's how Grandma came to be in Iowa City was right. So Grandma came from Iowa City and then she met.

10:03 Her father Dennis Francis Fitzpatrick was a physician a doctor.

10:09 And he was on the faculty of the medical school at the University of Iowa.

10:17 And

10:19 Also the chief of staff at Mercy Hospital which is still there and I was City today.

10:28 In any event time

10:32 My father the wheel inside the German side came to this country.

10:39 About the time of the franco-prussian war in the 1870s.

10:46 I'm a city in southern Germany called Ulm.

10:53 And it is one of his famous landmark is a very tall Church steeple.

10:59 In any event my grandma my grandfather Karl Weiland. The oldest of that generation was born in Germany and came over here with his parents in.

11:17 About 1900

11:20 He

11:23 And his wife who was my paternal grandmother Helen Zimmerman.

11:30 I had a children of which.

11:35 My father and Barbara said grandfather Philip w.

11:42 Was he wasn't the oldest he was who I'm thinking Phil Wieland was not the oldest of his Weiland. There was Margaret.

11:59 Malone leaving Margaret Whelan Malone I should say.

12:04 There was

12:08 Cletus Cletus

12:12 Donald

12:14 And Georgia and Georgia. That's correct.

12:22 My

12:25 Grandmothers

12:27 Brothers and sisters were Josephine

12:35 George

12:37 Uncle George

12:43 There was some.

12:48 Alloys Weiland

12:52 John Wieland

13:01 I can't think of any of the others talked a little bit about Graham and Bob cuz we got a grandma.

13:09 Grandma and your grandmother my mother

13:13 Went to

13:18 University of Iowa prior to that. She went to high school at St. Mary's Notre Dame weather to the high school there.

13:27 And then she went to University of Iowa where she met.

13:32 Her and husband are probably your grandfather.

13:37 Hotels from Des Moines

13:42 Let's see. Is there anything else that I can take? They got married in 1928 and then they move to Chicago, right?

13:54 To the near Northside. Well, no nut Lakeview to the Lakeview area around Fullerton know they were north of north of Diversey and their first and then they lived in in a when I came along they

14:14 They lived in the first place. I remember is Arlington Place.

14:20 And then we moved to Burling Street on the corner of Wrightwood and Burling and then Deming we lived there in the Saint Clements Parish.

14:34 So I was I want to ask you a question in terms of your growing up. What is what is one of the most fun memories you have from your own childhood with with Graham and Bob. Do you have a I know you probably have more than one but what's one of the most fond memories you have?

14:52 I think

14:55 The

14:59 The Sundays and an in the weekdays in Lincoln Park, cuz we live so close to Linkin Park when I was growing up.

15:09 They would take me everyday or every good weather day 2.

15:14 Atomic Empire class of x to the zoo and to the Lincoln Park

15:23 Or they do or they grow all the greenhouse Greenhouse.

15:28 That was it.

15:30 A fond memory

15:33 What about school? What would you have any favorite stories from when you were going to school as a boy? My first school was the Alcott School Louisa May Alcott School, which was a public school Saint Clement school did not have a kindergarten. So when I went to kindergarten it. And then I went to I started at Saint Clements School.

16:05 And I'm

16:07 That was a very good school. I had a good day. I got a good education through the halfway through the third grade and then we moved from there to Rogers Park West Rogers Park, and I started at st. Timothy School.

16:31 Do you have a

16:34 I know it. Is there any particular off memory with your friends when you were growing up? I know you met Bob Irma ginger in West Rogers Park and you had some friends friends that I had done.

16:49 In Grammar School

16:52 Have all gone.

16:56 I have quite a few friends still alive or where.

17:03 Who dates back to my high school days?

17:07 Government injure

17:10 Who had a very interesting career within the NSA?

17:15 And the Air Force Frank April who retired as a

17:23 Brigadier General in the in the in the Air Force

17:28 And then there was a number of people who I

17:32 Remember and who I still keep in touch with in the Marine Corps where I was stationed during the Korean conflict. So what was it like growing up in the in the 30s 40s 50s, what was it like right back today standard? It was very prosaic.

17:51 We

17:56 We had cars but they were only used for long trips. We we walked or took public transportation almost everywhere. We went.

18:05 And

18:07 Leah

18:10 We had a

18:12 A wonderful time

18:17 It was during the Depression.

18:19 And nobody had very much money. You know, we went by today's standards we were poor, but nobody nobody everybody was for poor so nobody bothered to

18:31 Nobody worried about it.

18:34 End

18:36 Let's see a lot of friends.

18:41 That those are the years that I became a dyed-in-the-wool Cubs fan.

18:47 That was a big part of your life the Cubs, right? That's right.

18:54 Of the Cubs and the manager of the Cubs in those days was a fella by the name of Gabby Hartnett who lived about a block away from us?

19:04 And his son, buddy.

19:07 I was in school with with me.

19:11 And his daughter Sheila married

19:15 Glass made of

19:20 Your Uncle John's who is a few years behind.

19:28 On the corner of we lived on Rockwell and the corner of Rockwell add event. It was a filling station that was owned by a fellow by the name of guy Bush who was a star with the Cubs and I can remember it with a bunch of other kids standing back to back behind The Filling Station and watching guy Bush was a pitcher throw to Gabby Hart.

19:52 Back and forth and back and forth. They were both retired by then.

19:58 Let's see. What else can I tell you when you you went to grade school at Loyola in Rogers Park and also the high school right high school and you also went to college at Loyola. That's and that's where you met Mom right at Mundelein Loyola that you met her there in college just starting college and I can tell you very vividly how I saw your mother for the first time in those days to Michigan Shores Club.

20:36 Wasn't was called Shawnee Club.

20:40 And we were all there.

20:44 On the second floor looking out.

20:48 Down on the driveway

20:52 That's cars pulled up.

20:55 And a classmate of mine gym McDonough pulled up and not step this absolute vision and I saw her for the first time. I will never forget seeing your mother for the first time. I was absolutely struck by my hair.

21:12 Your mother is as you heard many times as it was a very very bright and talented woman.

21:20 Xi'an

21:22 What's a quiz kid not many people today know who know about the quiz kids rating National radio show or and it was on TV for a while to what your mom was a quiz kid. She was also a concert quality pianist.

21:44 Her maiden name was in a double any.

21:48 Llewellyn Llewellyn

21:54 Anda

21:56 She came from the north side from

22:00 Our Lady of Lourdes parish

22:04 Weather in any event

22:09 Hi.

22:12 I prefer that she loved to tell it I pursued her until she caught me right before you went away to the Korean war. Is that correct? Or when you want to wait at the Marines you guys she came to you and and then you decided you were going to get married right before you left. Is that how that happened? It was It was kind of that way.

22:34 I am

22:36 I got to

22:39 Quantico Virginia and as an enlisted marine and then I was commissioned to second lieutenant.

22:48 And then I went down to Florida and went to Flight School.

22:54 And she came with me.

22:56 And that

22:59 And from then we moved out to the West Coast.

23:05 And

23:07 From that point on I shipped out for Korea. Do you want to say anything about your time in Korea? Well, I want to tell you about a little bit about Quantico first.

23:20 We we had a very interesting group in Quantico.

23:26 Famous names

23:29 Adlai Stevenson, the third was there in our group.

23:33 Also

23:36 There were other fellows who are famous descendants of famous history historical people Alexander Hamilton, the third was in that group.

23:49 Chester Arthur

23:52 Descendant of

23:56 Chester Arthur the President Arthur was in a crib

24:04 We had another fellow who was a direct descendant of Nathan Hale the famous Revolutionary War.

24:14 Spy who was executed hung by there yet?

24:19 By the English he was in our group as well. And the reason I know all of this is because I've kept close to it. I kept close to the people that I was in the Marine Corps with for a long time.

24:34 Panda

24:36 Then there were other people in Korea that I flew with who were

24:44 Famous people in the service many times your your put into groups in alphabetical order.

24:56 Joe went

24:58 I went through the Marine Corps with him because simply because he was a w and so was I

25:04 And Joe stayed in the Marines and wound up retiring as a four-star Marine Corps General assistant commandant of the Marine Corps for Aviation.

25:20 Then I rather ordinary guys like myself Bob hickey from Boston.

25:27 Joe

25:33 The fan Pittsburgh

25:37 I can't think of his name right now. How did the war change you the Korean War?

25:43 It truly it truly out of the rather prosaic existence that I grown up with in in Chicago.

25:53 When we heard in the abstract about poor people in other parts of the of the world who lived in terrible situations, but it was only after I got to Korea and then I saw this and in and it affected me terribly because it seemed so unfair that these people should have to undergo such terrible situations and we've been such a comfortable situations.

26:25 That you told me a story once about him. I don't know if you want to tell me you can tell me if you want to say it or not. But what changed your view on keeping your gun after the war. I thought that was a pretty powerful story. I was

26:41 I had a birthday while I was in Korea.

26:44 And by the way, I was an aviator.

26:49 And My Line crew, I got me a present. They went in and bought me a Smith & Wesson 38 caliber.

27:00 Combat Masterpiece with a shoulder holster we as comment Pilots always had to carry personal personal alarms also in case we got shot down and had to fend for ourselves on the ground.

27:15 When I came home, and I that was a personal weapon of mine.

27:19 And I got home and I have this weapon and night when I came home there was there with my wife with?

27:28 My first two children

27:32 Suzanne and Edward

27:35 And the last thing in the world at what I wanted was.

27:39 A dangerous weapon in the house. So I took it up to your grandparents.

27:45 And had a disassembled and in a hearts all on a bag.

27:51 And store there and finally I decided I didn't need that kind of a thing and I turned it over to the Evanston Police years and years ago.

28:01 So I I was wondering talk a little bit about your life with Mom and the kids. I mean, I know you came back from Korea and then you had a married life and some of it was I'm sure very joyous and some of it was very difficult. Well.

28:19 I came back and we took an apartment in the two flat on the Waveland in St. Andrews Parish on the North side. You should feel what's the pastor in those days.

28:36 And

28:40 It was a

28:43 Three bedroom apartment

28:46 And again a very prosaic.

28:49 I kind of an existant but we

28:55 We had a good marriage life a happy married life and I started work in Maya.

29:04 The first of my many years right after I got there.

29:08 By taking a position in the accounting department of Illinois Bell.

29:17 And

29:20 We I work there.

29:25 And it was a very happy life our family our family grew.

29:33 My NSC

29:36 Number three

29:39 Maryland came along. So we are kind of growing out of our apartment Aaron on Waveland Avenue.

29:48 And Atlee bought a house in an area called Edgebrook and on the northwest side of Chicago still in the city.

29:57 Butter

29:59 In any event, we bought that bought that place.

30:03 And

30:06 It was it was then.

30:09 For several years a happy happy home. So we have about 10 minutes left. So what?

30:18 When did you think things change what what happened after that?

30:26 And

30:28 It wasn't anything we could do about it.

30:32 Your mother

30:35 We moved to

30:39 Audi's to New Jersey and because I I took a job with AT&T, which was the mother in law firm of the Bell System, and we lived in New Jersey.

30:54 After three years there we came back here to Chicago and moot.

31:02 Moved into a five bedroom house in Wilmette and and then she just heard her illness progress should be yes. Okay and

31:18 It was

31:20 She was quite a while and then she died.

31:25 In 1975

31:27 And that

31:30 That must have been hard for your dad. I mean, how am I what was it like, I mean

31:35 Well it was.

31:39 All of a sudden

31:42 I was the only game in town to seven children and then and she when she died. She took her own life. Is that is that how she died?

31:55 She was a victim of a

31:58 Manic depressive

32:02 Whatever you call it bipolar and it was very significant.

32:08 And those days so we didn't have it really diagnosed properly in.

32:13 Didn't know about it and you tried to get her help several times, but she refused so she she's gone and you have seven kids and how did you deal with that? Well, I finally got wise enough to know that even the most to Children even the most ignominious or kinds of choice could be made.

32:40 Better by making a game on the 1st and Sprite during a

32:49 Wash Daze washing clothes. We take all the socks and you can imagine.

32:56 How many socks seven children could

33:00 Nail with we dumped all the socks in the middle of the floor and have a game of matching the one sex with another.

33:09 And

33:11 The person who I match the most socks cuz I was surprised I don't remember what it was. So what lessons did you learn from that because I I mean I think about that as an adult now and that that might as well go lesson. I got his things.

33:31 Can ever get so bad.

33:33 Achoo achoo achoo can't cope that. You can't do things and make them better.

33:42 And

33:44 So we got through it.

33:46 All of You Went to went to a good schools

33:50 And it must have been hard with them.

33:58 When we became adolescence trying to keep us all in check cuz some of us were more.

34:04 Rambunctious I guess.

34:08 Bedtime

34:10 By the time you're the youngest and by the time you came along everything I had experienced almost everything that you can experience. Right all of the children did extremely well in school. I think that was because

34:25 Your your brains were inherited from your mother. She was very smart woman and

34:36 My oldest child Suzanne

34:39 Is a vice president?

34:42 Of a large Professional Organization

34:50 My oldest son is the technical director of a very famous theater.

34:57 And Washington, DC

35:00 I have another.

35:03 Sun gym who is Isaiah and executive with a commercial photography business company a large wound up in Milwaukee

35:16 And so on.

35:19 I'm so

35:23 What is there what other things come to mind as you talk about your life? And what went what comes to mind as your call?

35:34 Close call would be in come to mind when I found out that I was a father for the first time. I was still flying missions in Korea and we are coming home from a mission over Pyongyang and

35:53 The minute we got

35:56 I'm back over our own territory.

36:02 Broadcast in the in the in the in the clear that I had become the father of a of a daughter Suzanne.

36:12 And

36:13 That was another time.

36:16 When I was coming back and

36:22 I had what we call the nose Day's Night that I think they still call it.

36:29 If I'm out override Pyongyang, which is the capital of North Korea.

36:34 I got to tell you if you if you were forced down over North Korea you are in very big trouble.

36:40 And I tried that relighting the first two tries didn't work finally on the third try. Thank God after a lot of prayer on my it real it and I headed straight for home.

36:54 Mets home being a are air base in softball in South Korea.

36:59 Those those are very expensive.

37:03 More exciting than anything else I can tell you about.

37:06 More exciting than that.

37:09 And memorable, so if I know we're just about out of time, but what are you most proud of in your life or children?

37:21 Because

37:23 Your family and your children are the most by far the most important thing in an anybody's life.

37:31 And they always come first.

37:34 Override

37:36 Anything else to chew on?

37:39 Have Ambitions for

37:41 And I am very proud of the fact that all of them done quite well.

37:46 That's a nice. It's a nice summation there.