Tallat Choudry and Seemi Choudry

Recorded February 23, 2019 Archived February 23, 2019 46:15 minutes
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Description

Tallat Choudry (68) talks to her daughter Seemi Choudry (30) about her childhood in Pakistan, her family and education, early married life in the US and Venezuela, her career, and being a mother of four.

Subject Log / Time Code

TC describes herself in 5 words.
TC talks about growing up in a large family.
TC talks about what she learned from her mother.
TC explains why she was so open to the idea of moving overseas with her husband.
SC tells TC that she is "an anomaly."
TC says she believes she has lived a very privileged life, particularly her education.
TC talks about education and social class.
TC talks about having her two sons.
TC talks about having her two daughters.
TC says she is grateful to God for her family and good fortune.

Participants

  • Tallat Choudry
  • Seemi Choudry

Recording Locations

Chicago Cultural Center

Venue / Recording Kit


Transcript

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00:02 My name is telecharge way. I'm 69 years old and I'm going to be 69 years old in June and

00:12 Today's the 23rd of February 9th 2019 and we are in Chicago. I'm here with my daughter see me, and I'm really looking forward to this interview.

00:28 And my name is Simi Chaudhry. I am 30 years old. Today is Saturday, February 23rd, 2019. We are in the windy city city of Chicago and I am the daughter of talal Chaudhry my mother.

00:48 So to get things started I think it would be great. We were doing a little bit of this before we walked in but if you had five words to describe yourself, what would be those five words?

01:01 Versatile's vivacious friendly

01:05 Gentle kind

01:10 Those are great words. And can you tell me more about what do you mean when you say vivacious full of life and being positive and making things work?

01:25 And

01:28 That's a great way of describing yourself. I think especially as your daughter I can see how you've done that on a number of times making things work. What is your earliest memory of when you had to make things work immediately? Thank God for God Allah and being okay with that it is because of it is because of a lot because of him anything good that I have in me. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you.

02:06 We must always be reminded of this our gratitude and you've done a really good job at that as well raising us with an attitude of gratitude You So within the spirit of kind of making things work. When when do you think if you were to take a moment and going to go through the memorial the memory archives? When was your first experience of when you had to make things work?

02:34 Oh and I got married. Oh, my parents had dumb paired me off with the best person who came to our door the best family the best person and when I flew over United States the immense distance.

02:53 Was it was just like an ending? I not imagined United States being so far that the airplane Journey was not ending and you know that this was 44 years ago. The flight would take 22 hours. It had five stops. So you could never really like to live her life because it was just, you know, taking off and landing and I started getting depressed and I was with my husband and you only married a month in the country and you know started asking my husband. How long is it going to take? And you said no and then I asked again the same question and I think probably my last until it's time. He said, okay go to sleep safe with my head in his lap and went to sleep. I never saw like, you know, like it's the custom back home and you're mad at you have

03:53 Dress up in your finery in nice clothes your gold jewelry. So I was wearing my very nice gold earrings that look like heavy but they were really like very pretty attractive. Oh and the air hostesses if you get caught their attention and they saw this young couple nice looking and they will come and you know about paying attention to us. So home that the long as you are nice. I knew I was like flying go to the US, you know by now, I was in college they were they was one girl who was getting married to somebody that you last and it always wished for that. So this was happening. This was a wish come true, but never did. I realize that it was going to be so far away. And until I quit in that Spirit you had to make it work cuz it was something that you had anticipated but now that it was sort of the reality was

04:53 Missing you much harder than you had thought I got my Visa from the US Embassy my brother-in-law husband's younger brother was visiting from Grease and he started teasing me that and you know, I know our language Caleb like being sarcastic. So I didn't understand at that point what you meant because to me it everything seems so exciting. I paid a troll and I understood that he meant that I will be so depressed breathing still missing my family so much and I want to take a moment and recognize sort of what you mean when you say family cuz in in your life family is really big you come from a family with 11 siblings. You had you hold held a very close relationship.

05:53 What's your mother are maternal grandmother with your grandfather there any weather with your father who's our grandfather? There's a number of times in which you've shared some really unique experiences and interactions that you had with both your mom and your father that made you into the young woman that you became and then the woman and the mother and wife that you were so perhaps you can share a little bit about what it was like you use this term mean on my parents had paired me off and so I I'd really like for you to describe, you know, being a young woman in Pakistan and what that was what what did that look like when it was time then to start this next chapter of your life, which was getting married many things. Yeah, so I'm being paid off in my family we had

06:53 Six boys and $5 for be had there was like a rule for boys and the rule of four girls and then two boys and you know, another daughter. So. My older brothers were like, you know next to a dad, you know, we were something even more scared of them. Not that I dad was more like a friend. I mean, he would teach us things in a friendly manner. But brothers are very sweet. But you know, we were like little bit scared of them sometimes and then I have two older sisters and I'm just 17 line on my younger siblings and I'll call you something and I will since I think it's a departure for personality. It was very friendly and I never close to my mom so family started calling me laddo, which means the favorite one is memory of my childhood is when I'm playing to my mom's light.

07:53 Vivir in our ancestral Village. We would go there once a year usually in winter time and I'm playing it to my mom's bag and my cousins are teasing teasing me. I do so, that is my earliest memory of my childhood.

08:12 And I was always you don't think you lost your mom SUVs always want to do what what she pleases her butt. And I knew that whatever she saying is for my only thought she was a disciplinarian, but she was always gentle with nice with me because I was always the one and so there was a lot of trust then that you had placed in both of your parents for them to ultimately make the decision of who you were going to marry because I was religious, you know, why are in our religion as you have to pray five times we have to dress appropriately so I think I know I was at that age. I was still wearing dresses and not covering my legs. So Bond AK. My mom said, okay. Now you're grown-up. You have to cover your life means like their pants and shirt and now you have to start saying your prayers.

09:12 So from that deal on order status saying 5-time prayers, it came so easily and before that it was a shortage of thymus feeling buys and my mom my mom checking on me, you know, like reprimanding me that I'm just doing whatever I like like dressing the way I like it. So she had to just save months and everything fell into place. And and so so there is there's a there's always been even as your daughter. I've heard, you know a number of times in which you described. What's something that you learned from our grandmother something that she shared with you and it was always within the spirit of I only had to hear it once and and after that I knew like and in some cases it was not even hearing it was just seeing it like that look right. You described that book, you know, I became became conscious. I'll definitely referring to

10:11 Elvis married and already with kids and wants me we were visiting we were back home and we are going up to the hill town of Murray, you know where people going somewhere in the cottage. So, you know, the four of us for Maddie sisters, I think all of us were married by then and we were talking about the kids. You know, I like a little bit small complaints here and there and my mom was listening all this time. She was quiet and she was listening. She only said one sentence she said, you know when your kids grow taller than you you have to respect them. So and that by that time I was being legal to realize that my mom is not giving us that look, you know, it was just that she didn't have to put it in words. It was just one look and it would freeze. That's what every have said or done was not appropriate.

11:09 Yeah, so I'd be able to be able to become conscious and they didn't have to put in words again because it was said once and once was enough, I'm pretty sure that when that happened I was still at your knees or maybe I wasn't even born yet. And if you didn't have time doing like a being a belligerent right from the dad not the mom, right? And and so I want to take a moment and kind of cuz this was a big part. There was a big sort of juncture that took place. You know, you were I believe 23 years old and leading up to the moment in which you you know, I got married to dad and got married to a bougie and before then there so it sort of setting the stage that before then there was a moment where you

12:09 Shared with us. You're in that kind of a geography class or a history class. And you had learned about a country in Latin America, which was this and you described in a particular way. So can you walk me through that process of cuz you knew you were going to another country you and you signed up for a marriage in which you were going to leave Pakistan and go to the United States, but what you didn't know was what was going to happen a couple years later and if so, can you talk a little bit about that question about getting paid right? And we didn't I didn't get to you no talk about that so I can answer the current question now and then go back three digits 4th grade in my childhood and I'll be between geography and studying different countries where oil is produced.

13:09 Respond and Venezuela came up. And I meant what some of the other countries be advised her that I was familiar. And this was a long name of a weird name. What a strange name a little did. I know that after being married and being here in the United States for just a little over here at 16 months. I will be moving to Venezuela or maybe the mood for 18 months. But you know, I will elaborate and moved back 22 years later. Of course every year we were getting home late coming back to get the paperwork renewed and then every other people get that John and every other day or two bikes Penn State spring summer time when the kids for school and so we ended up being 22 years and my spouse.

14:09 He stayed another two years to putting in 6 weeks there of work and coming back for 2 weeks working here also, so that way we going to see each other we put up with that for 2 more years sent and you know, the two of us decided molded audition Park and see me and mess up. They don't want the money. We want the mad because you know, we were still getting the old is allowances and all the perks and my husband working there and we decide you know enough was enough they have made use of this for not 18 months is 15 years old. So so now I'll be wanting back so he he came back after 24 years and he was made the division head for seven countries, and he's so be so nice of him. Well, and I wanted to take a moment of pause and kind of recognized how much has happened and that time.

15:09 Because you described you know, basically over two decades which is quite significant, you know in that process when you became a mother right like my oldest brother I said I said Hi and then, you know you after 8 months after becoming a mother you then move to Venezuela's so perhaps you can walk us through like walk me to walk me through what that felt like I can imagine for myself what it would be like to uproot

15:47 So so quickly, you know after having such a Monumental things happen, right like getting married and then having a child. So do you remember how you felt you know in those moments between moving and becoming a mother right Vine growing up? I had heard, you know over the different locations that he got an overseas assignment and that meant you know, it's it's a huge deal. You're going to get paid more you would be traveling more and or it could be our company expects complete expense. So when my husband brought it up, I was all afraid I encouraged him and because I knew he was like one of the top notch professionals. He was like brilliant. I just finished his master's and at the hour stated in the yard and a half and then no no not only that, you know, he was also working. He got some work on the side.

16:47 And then he was got the job right away and he stayed with that job on his life. So I knew it was going to be a good thing for us and he River and you know, I studied on my own that's cooling like not College to school years were in the convent. My dad was in the Army. It was a tradition to send the boys off to Army Cadet to collect colleges and their daughters to comments. So we had exposure of the nuns and different people one of my teachers was from Ceylon Sri Lanka to Scholars that time so that that that, you know, I had open up our minds to to variety to the religion and also one thing that I know this with my dad, especially, you know after coming over to his was that

17:47 Can you hear so much about bias and racism and Prejudice that man that never ever even months before to skin color or an or any like economic someone thinks Superior or inferior or in the talking in any form of bias or religion is sorrel color religious or cultural bias. So that's just how I grew up with in a number of ways and I can say for myself. For example, when it was time for me to go to another high school, which I advocated quite hard for it was easy for you. It was easier for you wasn't easy, but it's certainly easier for you. When I asked about going to an all-girls Catholic High School to switch from Islamic school and there was a level of familiarity. They're given that you like you you're sharing just

18:47 I went to convent school. So I guess there's a couple things that you said there that I'm curious about and I hear it cuz as your daughter I've always and as a someone who's been a beneficiary of your worldview and the fact that you you are I would say, you know, a global citizen right like you you but you've traveled a lot you've experienced a lot from a from a young age. I I am curious to know kind of

19:25 You don't like I've always seen you as my mom as an anomaly. Like you are a nutritionist. You are a naturopath. You are a an educator. You're someone who is a very determined person as well and not to say that there's not a force has a lot of people that are coming in our world but an anomaly in comparison to your peers and so like when I take a step back and had a look around and see a lot of your peers like South Asian woman of the same age group a lot of times a married a eye doctor, right and like Dad is a Bluetooth on a doctor. I would use a hydroelectric engineer. So like clearly that wasn't something I mean, I'm just assuming now but it seemed as though it wasn't something that was important to you. There might have been something that was different that was important to yourself. I'm I want you to share like a little bit about what has led you into these pads, you know, like I'm Pakistani mother who speak Spanish like Venezuela has a huge part of you.

20:25 Pakistan's a huge part of you. America is a United States of America's youth part of you. Like what is it in you that has allowed you to like take the not to take what is it called? Like the path Less Traveled, right?

20:45 I feel I am so privileged. So fortunate to have had a great childhood. My father was educated at one of the top light colleges. He was morally conscious. He was a very religious but with a very open mind, he he never enforced things on us Bieber thought all the basics, you know, I alternate of the religion and then he gave us the choice and I knew he was a very loving sweet person. So I try to incorporate all of those in my cat litter and he was the oldest child. They were five males in the family and one female and all five of them grew up in the village my father and my grandfather was was a big was the land owner but he was he was working with at that time. It was a British colony.

21:45 He was working as a clerk my grandfather which was the highest position that you could get and he was in the irrigation Department, which meant that need. No, do you got some perks for example bundle the biggest bird that you are Lan got two and a half times the Lord made of water. And what is a scarce commodity and we have artificial navigation as I mentioned, you know from the Big River they make smaller streams. And then from the smallest things even smaller ones, so and he made sure that his kids got a good schooling he started this was three miles away from the closest city with juice cause ago. And he even started to school there.

22:29 So one so they had done the basics Elementary schooling in the village. I probably I think they went to that school and they were no no railroads. No message roads. I mean Transportation was extremely poor all that you could go on was a bullock cart, which is very slow. You know, only the farmers you stand for and are donkeys. So they would ride donkeys to double the tree my scratch each day to go to school in Sargodha. So from there on they they got enrolled in HCC college is Forman Christian College, which wasn't one of the elite colleges of the country with the British had set up and they had at that time. It was pre-partition. You know, I did it snow in your backside was just one country. So they had British professors there. It was like the top-notch education you could get so all five boys one after the other day got admission.

23:29 My dad was told us he did know the one younger did Matt studies. He became a doctor the third one and there's something in Persian and he would be reciting Persian poetry just office of his head anytime he and he would just get so deeply into it and the fourth one is still alive and not what he isn't adding Optical engineer. He just Masters in Purdue and last year. I had a good opportunity of going to meet with him and the youngest one he was attentive and after he's so studies undergrad studies in FCC. He got he was sent over seas to England to get further education. They two youngest ones and my dad to know Finance both of them to come she had the vision, you know that you know that they need to get a higher studies. So it seems like if you were to draw

24:29 Align between the what you've just shared right now and we were to call that line something it would be called This is my assessment education. And so I'm why is education so important? I want you to share you tell me a little bit about why that is but I want you to talk about the family education was a huge priority my mom's side of the family they lived like to train stations away and they were like three miles away from the train station. My dad's Village was how far am I from the train station and that was huge because there's no transportation and my maternal grandfather had much more lands. Do you know huge tracts of land compared to my paternal grandfather who had like one fourth of what my maternal grandfather had but you know, my paternal grandfather was educated.

25:29 Vision and so he he put that into action his vision put that and he got his son's educated. Where is it was the mentality before that if you own so much land then, you know, the the kids begin black specially the males that they want to educated them aren't that many opportunities as in my dad's case they were closer to the city of Sargodha. They were closer to the train station later on when the trains came in to form and so they had the advantage of a shorter distance and plus the vision of my grandfather and how does that sort of kind of it within that story? Cuz there's there's a there's a kind of overseeing early like there's a termination there's perseverance. How did that ultimately impact you? Yes, I think I still have to finish the first part of that education has just like

26:27 My family had just gone up so she can call me Kali merah is my mom's side of the family has gone down so she cannot make any because of lack of education and because no one got really like college education and their family, so they're still struggling with education. They're getting the kids to buy distilled continue living in the village, and they have not progressed. Well as you got both an undergraduate and a graduate education and you receive both of those in where was it in Pakistan, right and ultimately like you even pushed yourself into a PhD program as well as if you didn't get into like a med school, you know, you had to do have some basic sins and Sciences in order to go to med school or engineering school and engineering school.

27:27 Popular for girls in Persona med school, so I didn't make the cut for the med school. So my oldest brother who was also in the Army. He probably had come across some families some friends friends who were sending their daughters to home economics, which was the new school college set up by the Ford Foundation u.s. Sport foundation. And so I had told great things about that. So what ended up happening was I was not happy in the college. I was going to in my parents a city in Rawalpindi. So he pulled me out of that college is my parents. My parents will come to us. I didn't know what was happening. So he put me into this home economics college. And once I went there, I started college. I was going to open up a whole new world for me and can you say I mean this in a few words what is homemade eggnog housing and

28:27 What does that clothing and textiles housing Child Care Family relations? Everything psychology psychology was turning everything in Fruit how you presented and now includes how you dress up everything Madrid in April 2nd, and in the type of food, you're eating and presenting everything was related to psychology. So and my professors they were all they had come to the US and had studied here graduation studies here. So they're all enlightened. So I was like a completely different person was so happy ever so motivated and I made the most of it and and it sounded like you said something. That's really I think a very important part 2

29:27 I find within South Asian families immigrant families. It's individuals will come from the subcontinent. Now. This is a broad statement. But if I were to assess it in a few words, I would say that in many ways social Mobility is largely hinged on education. And so when especially if you know, like when you and a bull came to the United States, it was sort of this like we're going to we're going to receive higher education cuz I will first came here to get his master's and ultimately joined him as well. And there is a sinner's like this American Dream are going to realize and it includes, you know mobility in your case Mobility was a huge part of it because you moved to the United States and even while you were here, you move to a couple different states you were both in Virginia and Illinois and then but then ultimately it took like the grand Voyage to Venezuela. So if we could show

30:27 Gars a little bit. I want it kind of focus on perhaps like what it was like for you as someone who didn't speak Spanish as someone who was still wearing beautiful Golden Earrings cuz you're still too kind of technically a newlywed now, you're a new new mother and you've landed on this foreign land which ultimately became home for us and became my my birth country a place that I share dual citizenship with so I want a perhaps you can tell me a little bit more about what that felt like being there and what what it was about Venezuela Dalton Italy made that feel like home for you. I think I came with a huge Advantage but not much doing my grad studies.

31:16 In home economics, I don't mind it. Right and then I joined the post grad studies Vandiver close to the end of that 2 year. They were it was the largest group ever 2012 has the principal called in all of us and she you know spoke to us. So after that she made a job offer to me to work in the college and I looked at that job offer. I thought about it. I was up here from home, but six years and I said no I cannot do that. I want to go back to my family. So I think that happened I was like 20/21, so I didn't even my family has not agreed that I should have said this job because I just was want you to get out of that. I've been there for 6 years away from home and I want you to be back.

32:17 So that gave me a huge boost that out of 22 students. I was chosen and I also by growing up and being like the favourite Juan and you know being having a personality that was always attracting at attracting attention and getting love from other from family friends. Everyone it mean for their self esteem. So I didn't expect this job. Then I got another job interview and I got selected as lechera for her to start a new home economics Department. It was one of the very popular face and I believe in the 50s. It was one of the most popular fish in the US. So I am being interviewed by by this group. One of them was the principal of the College of us being interviewed for then there was a brigadier and a third person. I don't remember

33:17 Questions that was asked was how many it was it was not correct at Quest question. How many calories are there in this type of food? So I'm very politely and I said how many calories to correct a gently so that must have an impression that I know what I'm doing. So I accepted the job it was in another town. I had to come in with me but you in a place to stay at what was a town called Kent. Okay. So I started working at College when we came in the place. It wasn't that appropriate that place her in a couple of rooms which were like

34:17 The stage behind the stage. So we were there it was a temporary arrangement for your and then later on. I found some other place. So I've looked almost a year-and-a-half before I got married and when the the match with with my you know, I decided to leave my job because I didn't like the living Arrangement. So I stayed home for I think it was like a couple of months and did all the sewing for my I made my own private. I made dresses for my sister's beautiful ones and a very complicated once, you know, like the stitching of it on the bias. So I got a lot of satisfaction from them because before I decide to do it on my own I was going from one trailer to another and I had given something to be sewn and it was not right.

35:17 Add known how to sell I decided to doing this for two months. I was sitting on the machine and their damn it on my to sell my clothes. I'm going to wear.

35:29 So so that I can meet up with the advantage of boost a distinct Advantage when they got married. I had a postgraduate degree which gave me the equivalency of 16 years of education here and there are 16 years of education there because our high school for years undergrad and then to your cousin and I wasn't all of them. So I've Natron unified that every girl should get a master's degree. My number is getting an SA-200. You know, what a bummer it goes. I getting married and now, you know, once I got came over here I said that was such a huge advantage and then I started working as a high school English teacher was based on that experience and that's what really helps right? Because I remember you shared with us cuz this is before I think either my sister or I either Shuffle car. I was born that there was a point when you are now living in Gouda.

36:29 In Venezuela, where there was maybe you can describe the interaction with the at the school or you're not coming with the weather as an advantage person beloved education with a job experience and I was going to get down to get equivalents and that's huge. So I'll be right here. And as soon as we came and went with my spouse I depressed in him to take me to the education department. I want to see how I can get my criminal and see and where were you born in Chicago but not moved yet. Okay and so became and I'll just said, you know why we need this this this then, you know, I was expecting not feeling too. Well. You know what I call my child education department. I don't remember but I came at him on the train so the city, okay, so getting to be a mom right away.

37:29 Nauseated so that I put that on the back burner and then you know soon I had my first child. He was the most adorable baby. I'd seen and my husband already had, you know some experience with this needs. No, he adored and that's what he would help out a lot and I was the happiest person nothing that took care of my homesickness having a baby right away, right? And that baby who's my older brother I said hi at some point ended up being your student. Was it in the same school and International School, right? Yeah. He was 8 months old when we moved and then not two years 1 month month month. So cautious. I said his old one and they have been like close to each other. They're being like Inseparable. They've been friends and everything.

38:29 Going to need some advice up. It was great having them. You know, I would have planned to have the two three years apart. But since we moved to Venezuela and there was help available my friend started talking me into having the second one soon. So that's how it happened. And then you you always talk about how you really really wanted a daughter voice of five years old. I got I was registering them for school and by the principal noticed my education and said what you interested in working here next year and so sure so that's when I got hired as the high school English teacher and you know, they wasn't existing damned, but they want to change large it and which ended up becoming among the giant largest dams in the world and they had the US company back to her, which is very famous.

39:29 For the projects they had work in Pakistan on demand letter and they were hired to do the work and they long are you guys getting paid in US Dollars and all the perks and plus when we had the first meeting not meeting but like a full social to meet the teachers two of them had lived in Pakistan and David Gaga went to stop someone from Pakistan was there they are super excited and they spoke about all the great experience in Pakistan in the 60s. There were no labor labor problem labor unrest not ever heard about that. They finish the project one year ahead of time and they got a huge bonus from that one of the great experiences and what ultimately led to a very strong infrastructure for not only that town but the the the region

40:29 Went on a field trip to Mongolia and when it was over there the Americans were there. They had their bowling alley and everything and then just great. I am going to visit there and how long were you and Gordy for 48 years play tennis after work and we had just the boys at that point and then you know, of course wanted to have a have a daughter just happened. We just and nobody is the only one that was born and isn't through set of kids, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the boys and the ghosts so off to Rochelle Park Boys Like 4 years old or so she starting your my friends would come and then

41:29 Number one of my nation Nigerian friends was home. And she went up to her I said do you have a sister? So I thought I'd find a friend. Oh my God, you know I have enjoyed my sister so much. We are so close to each other after this day and then it started wishing for her sister and it just happened, you know, so we have to to surprise Dave East beloved or even sure I remember going around and and I think I was like a kid and I would say oh, you know, do you know that I was a surprise baby and then my sister was like you're not supposed to go around and promote that to the whole world, you know, and so I didn't really realize what that totally meant but certainly have been have felt within the spirit of attitude of gratitude like what it what a blessing it is to have an older sister and and to share in that we've always seen it modeled.

42:29 With you and your sisters that value of Sisterhood and very grateful for that and I was so you know when I was expecting my third child images of baby more place with one of the best on-site camps in the world. So they hired the best doctors that very good now Hospital facilities, so, dr. Cardenas is the one who was my doctor and he would eat time say that it's a boy and I would like to know plead with him, please. Let me be happy for 9 months and 2T and he said the heartbeat is so strong is a boy and even at one of the socials my husband's boss. If I let me look at your hand or teacup not no mercy house in history because then they could see that I was expecting a baby and he wanted to know the history. So five males on the on my husband's side.

43:29 And then my father hit 5 minutes and one sister and and my mom had four brothers and three. He said it's going to be a boy. So I reread those indication that just a boy so fine. She even the doctor we were so happy and I would dress help her up in the finest clothes. Not that I didn't do that the boys, I would just enter any store and pick up anything play dress up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and then five minutes later we had so lovable and other siblings enjoyed so much and I have thoroughly enjoyed.

44:24 And then there's expecting you and it's so funny. I told my second son's got a shift that you know, I'm expecting and he was. So excited that was his way of showing his ass and they numb I asked them my husband and then what they would like to have another two of them said the boy you're so great for their prayers are answered. So grateful that they had a second daughter.

45:07 And my oldest brother he he wrote me a letter after he heard about the well and he said how can you plant things so well, and I've had two boys and the truth from God for my love and it's been very kind very grateful to me. I had an extraordinary has been extraordinary family and he comes from a very very very good family. They're always sweet loving and

45:44 That I just cannot express mess. I've have enough words to thank God. Thank God for my good fortune, and then go. Bringing. Thank you in the spirit of food kids good husband in the spirit of thanking God and being grateful. I'm grateful for the time that you took to share a piece of small piece of your story with me this afternoon amazing. Thank you.

46:11 Thank you. Thank you for bringing me here.