Christa Stern-Lubahn and Caroline Stern

00:05 Hi, my name is Crystal sister and Lube on I'm 44 years old and I think about that today is day is Friday December 27th, 2019 and were on vacation in Chicago, Illinois, and I'm here to interview My Mother Caroline Stern. She is my mother and I'm Caroline Marie Linda Stern and I turn 68 years old today. It's my birthday is December 27th, 2019. And of course, I'm also in Chicago, Illinois and I'm with my daughter Krista Stern live on and I'm probably going to do most of the talking because I'm chatty and I don't like to make mistakes. So I'm afraid I might ask the wrong question or the question wouldn't be good enough. That's because she's a dentist and she's been trained not to make mistakes. You never hear a dentist go poops, but I'm a teacher and we expect mistakes and be here all the time. So

01:05 This is my birthday present from her that she's going to come in and talk with me create this record for the future especially for although the people. We love that. Maybe we don't get to see in the future. So, okay. Thank you.

01:24 So I told Krista we could come in and talk about some of the mission work that we've done. That's probably the most interesting thing that we've shared as a family together when we started when my well, that's our youngest daughter their sister and the family was 13 years old. So that would be in 1994 and we went to Pro Ecuador with a Christian Medical Dental Group for a two-week short-term Medical Dental Mission up in the mountains.

01:55 And I talked to my husband Richard into doing the trip because he's a dentist and he was not enthusiastic about it, but I somehow got them to know so we took Krista Paul and Myra and packed up all our equipment and join the team in Ecuador and keto I'm sorry and then took school buses. I think I've been to the mountains. Maybe I remember that goes up into the mountains I could be and they set us up in a school and all that was in the school. What was like a trucking Depot or something? I know that Dad and I were in the schoolroom the know the schools were going to be did Honduras.

02:40 Ecuador was like a trucking Depot, right? And then yeah, we did. We went to the fair we did the dental work was in school room. What did you do on the dental project there I assisted dad.

02:58 And I think all worked in the pharmacy and Myra just went out and socialize with a crowd right? So Paul was about 15 years old at the time and I do remember going up the side of the mountains putting socks on her hands is the middle of summer, but it was really cold and the temperature could be 30u00b0 difference between the Sun and the shade that's cuz we went to Mount Chimborazo that was on the weekend and we hiked up Mount Chimborazo dad.

03:30 Paul and I I don't know if Myra went or not I don't I kind of think you and Myra went somewhere else that we went somewhere else. I know we didn't go in that but Dad did not like that trip too much cuz it was too risky for a dentist and we had to bring everything that we were going to use on the trip which without Diagnostics like x-rays or no medical equipment for emergencies. That was really risky for him. So when we came home from that trip, we decided we weren't going to do it again. But the next year I went with you to Jamaica of Myra to Jamaica went with you. Okay, so that year I went to topical fluoride but you went out with a general practitioner. What did you do know I went with a gynecologist Ocala just so what did you do worked in a hospital basically doing exams?

04:18 And you

04:21 Somehow you were with

04:24 A surgeon. Yes. I want because I could say I don't have a sense of smell and I work with homeless with things that don't smell good. I worked up working in the surgery where they were abscesses and things like that and I don't have a medical man to go to the orphanage and I told there was a kid Cali as maraldo something like that who was in a pediatric Ward who had never left his bag. He was about 12 years old, but he looked about 5 and we brought we would carry in all types of donations in our goal was to leave with the clothes on her back and leave everything behind and I remembered you know, putting clothes on him and he would be stripped clean by the morning and

05:04 That's a really long story that we don't have time to talk about but it did teach me how I'm well every mission trip has taught us how blessed we are. You know that we never realize the things except the blessings we had. So I always tell the story that when we were leaving man came up to me and said you have something to give me and I said we have nothing clothes on her back empty pockets, and he said you want Story made short have the gift of literacy. He didn't say it that way, but he really wanted to hear the Bible stories and he didn't know how to read so the only way he could hear them was to have someone tell them and he knew we were literate. So he wanted to know the stories so that mission taught you what about your profession? I see naked people. So you want to see you end up being identified the next mission trip. I don't think anyone wanted to go and I got my vertigo on that.

06:04 And that's a no or we going to I project right? I'm leaving my room Paul my rimpau and I think that's when we took the whole mission youth group from st. Peter's Lutheran Church in Big Rapids, Michigan, which is where we live and we took about 11 kids and they did the kids who were at that stage middle and high school kids. He took some college students and backed out too late. We went we took some kids from the College of Optometry and then a couple how do you spell Callie students from my classes? And they did Auto refractions and eyeglass fittings, and that was really revolutionary. That's where I met meant. Can Mangold the one that being a missionary in in Kazakhstan. So I went and I did Mission work in Almaty Kazakhstan, but that was much later.

06:55 And then no one wanted to go back after that accept Myra and she said let's go again. So my rent I went the next year and we went on a dental project and it was fantastic and they had all the dental equipment there. There was a stamp of oral surgeons and what we came home be said to Dad Rick if ever you're going to go into Dental project. This is the group to go with so that's when we joined our North American Honduras family with medical Missions International and Ruth and Daniel Castro, and we went every year to Honduras after that for two weeks and you got a letter for 13 years to 18 years 13 years and we would get about a team of 50 North Americans.

07:41 And 30 hundredths and we would process maybe 5,000. I know that sounds impossible endurance in two weeks time, but we would run everybody through the medical or the dental clinic and give them antiparasitics pepecine. We would always laugh because we would have to take anti parasitics ourselves when we would come home on the plane because we would come home with all types of Scabies and head lice and things like that. So it's kind of the fun of the trip, but learn lots of lessons that way but did you learn when you went on that talk about I went on to Honduras was right after I graduated from dental school dad and I went on that phone together.

08:24 So that was a good experience cuz I did a lot of extractions in dental school I graduated but doing lesson.

08:33 25 extractions and by far exceeded that in that mission trip, but there was a nice trip to the

08:41 And with that in the people in the group or just really great and it was like that, you know, all the mission trips taught me to appreciate.

08:54 What I have at home, I mean just right when you even get into the airport in these countries. It's not pretty it's not clean and filled with a lot of uncertainty and then you go to stay at the hotel and the hotel is not a fancy hotel. You're sleeping on Pine plywood slabs while not quite that bad by the time you get flip flops on and you slipped in the tub. I think that was that was awkward. All right. Yeah was killed. That was bad. But yeah. No, I mean that's right from the start. You learn to appreciate that and then

09:32 You go to sleep in the schoolroom, son of re inches off the floor on the floor and take showers that are outside just covered with track black trash bags you look up and you see this is ours and theirs tarantulas and ants and defeat toilets that have scorpions lurking in the corner you go to brush your teeth and you forget that you're not supposed to drink the water, right? I always laugh at the Hunter and showers because we had a really big rainstorm and all the North Americans ran out and they were showering under the tin roofs with all the water coming off the roof when we thought we were so smart and hundreds were laughing at us. They said you never shower under corrugated tin roof, cuz all the larvae and feces and everything is on top of the roof the Hunter and showers you go out in the middle of the courtyard where there's no nothing overhead, right and shower from the rain that comes straight from the sky. So whenever there was a big rainstorm in the evening we go out and lather.

10:32 Weather scrubs on with soap and everything and hope that the the water would last long enough to rub off the sides and everything. But yeah, you do see how God provides for people that there were times when we couldn't take care of people the way we wanted to and they would go and say yeah, you can't give me the pills but I can pray and God will take care of me and it will be alright and as North Americans, I always would tell people my first instinct was to look in my pocket to see where the solution wasn't for them. They knew that the solution wasn't in their pockets. I mean there were kids it would come into the clinic with fevers of 106 and they didn't have a a sprinter anything to take the the temperature down. So simple things like fevers would kill them. So we are we are richly blessed in so many ways we can't even imagine

11:25 Can't even imagine do you think you'd ever take your kids on a mission trip? Yeah. I definitely think I would but I definitely want them to be older. I'd like to take Brad on a mission trip cuz he needs to appreciate what we have. Yeah. I remember when we were on one of the trips that Dad and I were both itching around her waist and we couldn't figure out what it was and he was really embarrassed cuz he had a big red ring around his waist and it was because he was working on patients wear their heads were right at his ways doing the Dentistry East don't tell anybody that you know me. I never keep a secret. So I went to one of the nurses and I said what the heck's going on and I said I to describe its just oh, it's scabies scabies were very clean people and she said no they look like this and she lifted her scrubs up and she has scabies all under waist.

12:20 Oh, no, we're really clean teeth with no you get it because you got the patience heads and bodies making contact right at that point when you're doing Dentistry. I feel what you do about it. And she said you go down to the local pharmacy and get the medicine so Dad went down when you got the Medicine into the shower and he's you put it's kind of a caustic medicine. He put it all over himself. Of course, the water goes out at the most inopportune times with the email gold as well. But you lose light so you're standing naked in the dark with this constant medicine.

13:01 And no water source, and it was burning leaves trying to get it off.

13:08 We learned from that never to go into the shower unless you would already had a reserve a bucket of water and a flashlight before you started taking her clothes off her to wash and bits not to have the security of non-stop flood of water or a light source. So even when we would go and shower we would shower with our clothes on first to do the laundry at the same time and then

13:32 And then make sure that we had something to rinse off with but I am getting scabies. That was something that was really a bonding experience for him. He he was humiliated but then we realized it wasn't a matter of cleanliness. It was a matter of the environment around the resources that people had so yeah, I'm trying to think whether any other times any of us got sick on those trips. Remember they always been medical doctors in cuz they would work so hard we work from sunup to sundown and they always get dehydrated. I mean we would always get the DC area and they bring them into the dental clinic cuz we were moving around as much and they put them up on IVs and laying on the floor the surgeon and they'd always feel like I'm ready to go back to work and they say you can't go back to work cuz you still think there was a Tylenol that you are sick pay back the first time they gave me soup. I had like vertigo and

14:32 The elevation and also we had an earthquake when we were there. I thought it was him yet. It was a it was not a bad one, but the building sway I couldn't figure out why they're all the broken windows and it was because they're what it was a mild earthquake. It wasn't anything bad but yes completely outside my realm of experience and it did teach me to you know, live outside the realm of what you expect to find in normal and how resourceful the people in those areas were do you remember when Ecuador when they that weekend when they took us or not was on the weekend was plastic Clinic maybe and they took us to some families home. So we had served us a meal and it feels like in the side of them. I was like a they have a cave guinea pigs remember and they deep-fry them in their mouths were wide open and I feel we can't eat and they said you have to eat it. It would be an insult to them. And so they told us to do to take a little bit of the meat but not to put our napkins.

15:32 On the plates that when we were they were we would eat the meal we couldn't waste any food, but they would stand and watch us and then we were done they would pass the plates to the people in the village to eat other with a higher or hierarchy of who ate off the plates and then when the everybody was done eating off the plates, they would give it to the animals to eat. But there were like four or five people that ate off the plates. So Americans were taking their napkins and crunching him up there playing with the food and putting them on the plates and they said don't eat the food with respect when you're done hand it to the next person. You're just the first person to eat on the plate. You're not the last one to eat at the plate and I just had never thought about it and for them to give on that level even it was guinea pigs that they were feeding us. I couldn't stand the idea of eating it, but they said that we you know, we stood out of respect for him, but I was relieved to know I didn't have to eat the whole guinea pig and

16:30 We could save it for the guinea pig was when we were at yeah, but that was back when either, but we went to that family was like a chicken or something or they always have local me to everything. I say local me to never say what it was that was in Jamaica where the other goats go if you had a coat but then even the Honduras is a local meat. So you go what type of meat is is local meat?

16:56 Tours, I remember different wake up with an animal on your face or your body remember waking up and the guy that worked and I can't remember his name for the National Geographic as a photographer. The rule is if you wake up with like a frog on your face or on your body or something on your body and you don't know what it is you lay there and you wait for the animal to crawl off you you don't swat at it cuz you don't know if it's venomous like I was short and he said that he had had an animal I had something on me and I don't know what it was, but he said if you swallow it and it's a venomous it'll hurt you, but eventually it'll crawl off you by morning. So it was kind of nice to know that that was kind of a rule they didn't tell you ahead of time, but I know that they would on regular basis the Physicians would have a duty where they would pull cockroaches out of people's ears because the Cockroaches not the missionaries, but the Cockroaches were going the local people's ears and then they didn't have a backup mechanism.

17:56 And so they would be taking four steps all the time. I know that Jamaicans knew how to do that in the Hondurans knew how to do it. But I learned to sleep sleep with a bandana and a baseball hat on so that I wouldn't have things crawling in my ears you and Jamaica didn't you clean ears?

18:10 Yeah this peroxide in your last moments with you, Like I could hear right and the doctor said the last cuz they didn't have hot water.

18:19 They never took hot water showers remembrance, Jamaica all of

18:24 A girl came in with keloid keloid scarring, but she had a really bad infection in her ear and it is swollen up. It was pierced and it has gone down her neck and the emergency room physician American who come with us said that she he was worried about sepsis and he said she had she had tied a red string around the ear lobe to contain the infection and he said you have to take that string off to get the blood supply work in the white blood cells to clean that out. She said I can't do that because my grandmother told me to to put that on there is for magic and he said if you don't do that, you could get very sick or are you already are very similar could die and she she said I can't do it because my grandmother said that this is how it would cure it and it really made real to me the difference between you know, the traditional medicine about the grandmother The Village Elder had told them to do and modern medicine coming in and seeing here take this pill or do what I say and I'm going to be gone in a week or two weeks and

19:24 It's going to solve your problem. So it's just not a matter of flying in for two weeks and handing out a bunch of medicines and leaving that's why I did like the groups. We went with like Kristen medical dental and medical Ministry International because we always did education even hygiene education was really important because they didn't understand basic principles like contagion. I remember seeing the nurses say that there would be people with chickenpox out in the courtyard standing in line and pregnant woman would be standing right next to him and there was no sense of don't touch me or don't cough on me or anything like that. So when I was hesitating about going, I remember one of my professor friends said if you are a North American just your basic concept the contagion and hygiene, it's something you can teach people but there's also the native intelligence cuz I remember was it the

20:25 The guy with the dentures in Honduras and he went out and did the hygiene instruction and we came with big toothbrushes and charts and everything and we were talking about bacteria and pockets and Mary. And he would say it look when you eat you don't eat your lunch meal off of the same dishes you ate your dinner meal clean your plates between meals. He said why would you your teeth are light plates and don't eat off of dirty plates. It was so commonsensical impractical we were in there with all these teaching AIDS and that's all he had to say to them as don't eat off of dirty plates then give you a key to his place but I do remember this one guy and Honduras we are way up Lincoln than one Tanya's and like we went to Santa Barbara and Trinidad places like that and he had caught a turtle and it was really small palm of your hand at the largest and he put it in the cistern that is family drink out of

21:23 He was really excited cuz he said he was going to save that have it grow and save it and cook it as a meal for his family and I was trying to explain, you know, salmonella or E coli or what? You know, you don't drink her water. No ya no concept of that at all.

21:39 Scary

21:42 Would you want your kids to learn by going on a mission trip other than the privilege that we have all the joy that you can get from?

21:51 Helping others. I mean we always

21:54 Felt like it was really.

21:57 Or rewarding trip that we felt like we almost got more than we gave always always get more than we gave us for sure. I mean we would save up all year. We had to pay our own way and bring their own supplies and it was not a money-making. I mean it was a volunteer offering gift that we gave but yeah, I always came back richer for it. And I remember the dread though before all ways to draw a packing you go to

22:27 Spring Lake was it? Yes. International Aid at all the medicine you could then we had to unbox at all. So we weren't carrying containers for weight. I remember when we went to Jamaica we were shopping and I had all this look like a shopping cart picked out for international aid supplies, but there were ten cents on the dollar and I was ready to check out and this I just was standing in line and I said sure hope I picked out the right thing in this missionary guy came along and he said where you going I said to make I said, they'll know you got to have the wrong stuff. He emptied my card. He went back and got all antifungals and everything for tropical climate because everything I've done before that was up in a cooler climate of Ecuador and needs and he said things like they love the King James version of the Bible rather than new revised Standard Version. But the medicines were all he said any antifungal you can get your hands on this what you want.

23:21 And I remember Aunt Kathy saying, you know, you got to go shopping with Jesus, you know, just pray over. Where do you take the ace bandage or whether you take the the thermometer, but I do remember when we went to Honduras. I packed a bunch of Ace bandages and Tom soliday the oral surgeon there was a kid playing soccer who caught his

23:42 Scalp on the edge of a Cyclone Fence and it peeled off the back of his scalp and pulled over his face and he really scalloped himself and they brought that kid in and he was within like 15 minutes of bleeding out and Tom soliday just pulled that kids got back. I mean, he did a miracle of work on that kid and wrapped his whole head and is Ace bandages and say just literally saved his life and I just don't like who knows an English Professor. I never saved anybody's life and hear that there were people praying over that kid, and he was stitching him up. Then he took he says who's got an Ace bandage just like I do we have to tell if you just never knew what type of crazy things you would bring that with. I mean, I wouldn't bring it dad with pack my suitcases.

24:32 That would save someone's life just as English teacher didn't save anyone's life with her hands, but on the other trips that you've taken.

24:42 Where you were teaching I all the people that you met another countries. Were you shared your

24:49 Love of God with them and you did save them their spiritual lies. Yeah going to Almaty Kazakhstan was probably the most dangerous trip I ever went on and that I think was for 18 days. It was a longest trip. It was most difficult one to get a visa for I was one of the first Western women to get in there. It was just when the company country. It opened up after the Soviet Union and mostly the men going in there were oil men.

25:21 Create relationships and trade Partnerships with the west and I went with Ken Mangold. I remember bringing surgical equipment in for the hospital Sayre and before 9/11 and I remember bringing a huge tub and mean it had to be I don't know what is a filled up a whole complete carry-on suitcase of jail for an ultrasound and that's what they did ask for it. I said, what do you need that that alter sound jelly because they were using Crisco and butter and anything like that for their ultrasound machine and I took that through carry on like who would ever let you bring a you know, that's 25 lb thing of gel through Prairie on that was before 9:11, but I went and I I went to Al farabi University and I gave lectures for english-as-a-second-language and I handed out about 25 Gideon Bibles and I remember I ruptured my vocal cords cuz I was teaching I know in one Auditorium

26:20 I know there is at least 200 people but I want to see it was more like 400 people. It was a huge and there was no amplification system and I was just screaming to get the information out and afterwards Murat who was he was like 25 year old and he was a neurosurgeon but he was working with the Lutheran church-missouri Synod, but he only trained and neurosurgery from high school on so that's how he could be a neurosurgeon. He said all we can go to the hospital and I can you know, cauterize your vocal cords like no, but I'll go to the hospital to look and he took me into the surgical Ward and there were just there were clean but they were Rags that covered the instruments and when you pull them back to show them to me, it was like a Black and Decker drill. That's what he was using to do brain surgery with, you know to drill holes in people's skulls. I mean

27:15 It was amazing that they could do the things that they could do and I remember bringing the surgical instruments from International Aid in Spring Lake Michigan, and he asked if I would be okay with him giving the surgical equipment to people who are not Christians and I said once I give the gifts to you, I don't you know, it's up to you. What do you do with them? I I'm not going to control them and he said that they would use the gifts.

27:43 How do I say it to bribe to get things done in a system that was really corrupt. So if they had to get someone out of the country or if they had to step someone forward in line for surgery or treatment, they could use a piece of medical equipment or vitamins or any of the supplies that I brought to get that person treatment faster, but he said that if the government fail they needed to be able to get expats out of the country quickly and that's why I smuggled in shouldn't say this, I guess money US dollars to get them out. But I remember the US Embassy said that Americans could not live any lower than the they had to be at least on the third floor of any building because if they had on the second floor at someone could use a ladder to get into their apartment and in his apartment they had three doors to get into the apartment and that was because the police could come without letting you know,

28:43 And it would slow down the entry of the police getting into your apartments. And one of the doors was like a meat locker door and I remember reading when I did the research like the state department research that they said never to let a policeman tattoo on the street the policemen are not your friends and that if the police when approached you to take all your pockets and empty pull them out and out the other way so that they can't plant anything on you because it was a system of bribery that they would use F and I obviously look North American even though I bought has a close the fact that it was wearing eyeglasses right away show that I was a North American cuz no one over there where glasses they didn't have access.

29:29 Two of them was that the most corrupt country and every place is corrupt. It was a scary. I said that for me it was the one where I was warned ahead of time that it was corrupt and I was more afraid when I came home and found out by bringing vitamins in that I was risking imprisonment when I went to Chernobyl that was scary to remember working with an organization where they were checking and Charities to make sure that they were using the resources in a fair way and I brought in clothing for kids and

30:07 They were using that kind of on the secondary Market, you know, well, they were taking kids from downtown know that was Chernobyl. So that was Keith so they would get the kids the street kids bring them out into the countryside and take care of them and I brought hats and gloves and mittens and things to give to them and they were trying to feed these kids is this humanitarian organization organization, which I think was called blossoming Rose. And I said if you want to sell the gloves and hats cuz they were really nicely made and use the money for food and you know, not decorator clothing that I would be all right with that, but they said that the parents would come and take the kids cuz it was her right to still get them bring them back downtown prostitute the kids strip them down to their be on their underwear or worse and then leave them out in the street. The kids will find when you know lock their way back to the orphanage. You're fine the way back to the orphanage ER

31:07 That people would retrieve them off the street and I thought on the level of corruption, it wasn't government corruption but to do that to your child, that would be the worst. It was beyond systemic. It wasn't such a personal level but it made me wonder if Mercy is something that is a luxury, you know what I can afford to take care of everybody and be generous because I'm so richly blessed in Jamaica when they sold the kids clothes who was in the Pediatric ward, he was unable to even so disabled. He couldn't protect himself from being stripped naked every night. I might have if I were in that situation think I ain't my kids need clothes as kids laying in the bed naked who cares if he's naked or not. Maybe I would have taken the clothes. So maybe Mercy is a luxury that North Americans. I don't know if I've wondered about that and I've wondered about whether you know breaking the rules to do something Kristen like smuggling vitamins in if that really is a

32:07 Christian thing to do. I mean the rules they don't bring the vitamins then I I didn't make money off at no one did it wasn't anything other than the charity that we did but I wondered about the ethics of it and then I wondered about the morality of it and then I wondered about the Christian, you know, what would Jesus do for that? But I know God knows all those people by name and cares about them his plan of care in salvations not dependent on one person certainly not on me. And you know, like you said earlier what's accomplished is more is as much about opening my eyes and what's a compilation of me rather than me being anyone savior. I'm not that good. Not that good. What do you take away from the mission trips?

32:53 Well, that is a kid. Like what did you take away from it as a kid?

32:59 As a kid

33:02 Just being in places where I didn't know that it didn't feel safe.

33:10 But I just very unsure of everything and foreign. I mean, that's the other right and me I kind of had that kind of I definitely had exposure to that when I was in Costa Rica for a month study in Spanish, but the that the government corrupt us to imagine something that I never we don't at least in Big Rapids, Michigan, that's not anything that we have to deal with in that in our

33:45 You know socio-economic class I suppose we don't we're not at we don't deal with corruption on a daily basis or in a life-or-death scale for sure or Heather Wellness scale. So that's that was by opening.

34:04 We did have people who criticized us for going overseas to help people when there was so much to be done locally. And I remember that Dad would always say he did do things locally. He didn't publicize that I may be televised and we volunteered at home and you know, we gave offerings at home and took care of people at home. We just didn't advertise it. So going overseas to do work, which is more visible and public we didn't get pictures in the paper with handshakes and things like that. It was a service project. It wasn't a publicity stunt. But I know we did get criticism from people who said, you know, take care of people at home first, but I would always say everybody's your brother and sister and I know you've heard me say what am I going to say to those people when I see him standing up in heaven, you know, I knew you but I didn't want to do anything for you, you know, you're naked and I didn't want to give you a shirt to wear her my mouth is full of food, but I didn't want to save any for you. So yeah changes your whole idea of who's your brother? Who's your neighbor? Who's your sister? Who's your friend?

35:05 Really going to be very different cuz it's been a great Christmas birthday present. I appreciate you taking the time to do it. Wow.

35:14 So spontaneous

35:17 It's always good to talk to me cuz I'm a jabber mouth. Yes.

35:22 You learn a lot. Isn't it? Nice to know that someone in the future that will be related to us? My parrot that is pretty cool high people in the future. We love you. You don't know how much I love you. We love you so much that you recycle all the time to get marked by our family back off the street today cuz it was clean and wonderful, and I just couldn't see it wasting it folks. So I love you already before I know your name or you exist and we are worried about the climate. We are worried about you no social justice and taking care of things. So we're trying hard to make it nice for you, too. We don't know your name, but we love you already.

36:01 Jack Mason Kylie and Olivia will be the next generation and we're trying to teach them to be responsible Christians and citizens and neighbors and friends. So if you're listening to this and future know that we love you before we even see you or know, you are absolutely any messages to your grandchild and great-grandchildren. I can't I am I am not good with spontaneous.

36:26 I'm not quick-witted, but

36:31 Alcohol, I love you for sure. But the love that goes beyond just what words can say. Yeah, it's perfect. Love.

36:44 Possibly we buy every year we try to take the kids to my husband on a trip but not mission trip. We don't need mission trips planned. We're not that age group. It's too dangerous and with Dentistry, it's too much. I kind of thinking that if I do a mission trip, I probably won't do Dentistry construction my husband Spradlin Excavating contractor, and I kind of feel like that might be better to do work and support him rather than do Dentistry. If I do. Ministry would be someplace that's already set up its

37:25 It's hard doing Dentistry traveling to do Dentistry. You don't just travel with your stethoscope and otoscope and and you have two boys that would be good with shovels and Hammers and this meeting people shoulder-to-shoulder on a project is a great way to build relationships with people. I think that's what you're doing that you're not there to build a building you there to build relationships and a brother Sisterhood, Rodrigo with a campesinos just to let you know that you are there brother sister. I mean when you look at it what you pay for airfare, you could send the money down there, but it's an education that you're getting from both an array that changes you forever.

38:08 So yeah, and you're thinking of going to the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, but that's a fun vacation. We can't have fun vacation. That's one of the things we've had to change about our lives has to think about fun vacation instead of work vacations that took a lot cuz we spent 15 14 12 years just doing work vacations, right? And so it was a major gear shift for us to switch to having fun. So coming to Chicago for this weekend's fine if we don't have to feel guilty about it, but we do kind of cuz we going

38:38 Spent $40 at lunch. And yeah, that's like a lot of money, but we can do it.

38:46 What are the richest people in the world? It's all right will be responsible the rest of the week.

38:53 Wow, I'm glad you came here me to make see it wasn't so hard all blessings to everyone in 2020. Is that right by Timeflies whether you're having fun or not?

39:14 That's right. Yeah. God is good.

39:19 Amen, amen