Shalisa Hayes and Barbara Wright

00:01 Okay, my name is shalisa Hayes and I am now 41 years old today is July 12th, 2017. I'm in Tacoma Washington with my friend Barbara who started off as my coworker and that we're really good friends Barbara. What's your connection?

00:25 No, I didn't sorry. So we you and I Barber started at cambia.

00:34 As I don't know. Well, I don't know how you started but my connection is I'm an employee at candy and have been for 19 years. So.

00:45 Yeah clock is ticking will my name is Barbara Wright. I recently discovered that I'm 46 instead of 45. Today's date is July 12th, 2017. I'm in Tacoma Washington with my good friend shalisa. And my connection to Camby is that I am also an employee and have been for 19 what will be 20 years? I'm in August. So thank you shalisa for giving me this opportunity to have this conversation with you today. I'm looking forward to learning some things about you that maybe I didn't already know. So if you don't mind if we could start with how did you come to apply to become an employee at Regents or cambia?

01:33 Well, I can't remember how old I was but very young and I got to do the math and ironically been working for a retail organization that was insured through cambia. And I have work there 7 years of my very young teenage life and briefly moved to California and decided California wasn't for me. So I had left my job that I had been at for so long move to California came back. And so I was looking for employment. Of course new employment didn't want to go back to the place. I had been not that they weren't good to me. I love them there. But I imagine that by now, of course we need working there would have been an option. They would have filled my position. And so I found out about cambia hiring until I applied and got the job and it was nice for me because

02:30 It's not only paid well, but it offered the same type of insurance that I had at my old job. And now I got to learn more about it cuz lot of times as indentured you don't really understand insurance policies or tell this gave me an opportunity to learn as well.

02:51 K

02:53 Until you'd already told the beginning. You've been here for 19 years. Did you start out in the same position that you're now? Have you worked your way up? Okay, so I started off and customer service answering the phones and

03:10 I think that was just it said I wouldn't call it a stepping stone what it's really something, It it really broaden my knowledge because the calls that you get are so kind of all over the place so you can learn a lot very quickly and that helped me move within the company to different areas because I had that knowledge base. So I moved along through being a lead at a front counter. So dealing with customers face-to-face. I've worked in our subrogation Department. I've worked as an appeals specialist and then now I'm an appeal supervisor.

03:47 And so what's your favorite thing about the job that you didn't now and working at Campbell and general currently. I absolutely have to say and I know it's kind of cliche but it's the people I am somebody who as a quote on quote leader in a leadership position. I don't tend to see myself as a leader but as an equal who is responsible for taking taking in the concerns in the needs of people and I know elevating into high-level so that those are solved so getting to know my staff on a personal level and then also working with him to find out what we do. Well as a company and things that we can change is what really

04:36 Makes my days go by pleasantly because working in an appeals area for those that don't know you're dealing with complaints all the time and you know some complaints that you can turn around and make someone happy and others that you can't and so it just always nice to be able to have that kind of Silver Lining which is for me. It's the people and being able to see how my staff and interact with me and how they trust me and the candid conversations that we have has really made it, you know worth it, you know sometimes you know just in leadership we can be stressful. If you can't please everybody and everybody who knows you to fix everything and you know that sort of thing but being able to say to my staff like I hear you I can't you know, I either can fix it or I can't but at least I tried and then hearing people say I get it I understand and I trust you know, that feeds my soul soul.

05:36 Speak right. Well I can vouch for you I can vouch for you there the transparency and I think as as one of your booty call me a slave well, but I can vouch for you the transparency in the connection that you have with your employees as something that people talk about a lot. So I don't I appreciate that but I can tell you if I can interject. My favorite thing about Camby has always been there their work with the community and how they make an effort to reach out to the people that they serve in the community and that one of the things that they're doing which is really cool that I read about recently is restoration of a the

06:19 Of a head saw Sawmill and I guess since we started out as a Timber Company. It's very it's a genius thing that somebody is doing to tie those things them together. And then I also read that they are doing a tour of a community center that's being built in Tacoma. Now that that's a project that's near and dear to both of us. But I know that you own a personal relationship to the community center. So if you wouldn't mind taking some time to explain how your connection what your personal connection is to that project and how it all came about I would do that. Thank you, and I think you're going to learn some pieces that you otherwise may not have heard before.

06:59 So The Sawmill seeing that's

07:07 Something interesting for me because the same organization that can be at has worked with to restore that is the parks department of parks department in Tacoma, which happens to be the same Foundation that is helping support the building of this new community center that song a little bit off to the side outside of work, which was really nice and then so my connection to the community center evolves from tragedy. So I'm going to pick pick your heart a little bit and I'll get a tissue ready. So being a Seattle native, I move to Tacoma a little over 10 years ago and all I knew was work in my kids, you know raising two boys.

08:01 That's all I know and I didn't know a lot of people in Tacoma which is why I point out being a theodolite. So another reason why that kind of feeds into just made going to work coming home dealing with kids and then, you know all my family in Seattle. So at times I be in Seattle quite a bit, but unfortunately after being here five years and while five years sounds like a long time, it's not when you're new in the city. I still hadn't learned a lot about this place and my son Billy Ray.

08:36 Well, let me back up a little bit. He and I throughout life or I should say his life did whatever we could to give back to community. I'm someone who grew up in the inner city and Seattle. And so and then having my father killed at a very young age being raised by my single mother. I was impacted a lot pie.

09:00 The issues that inner cities have or tend to have which is you know, who the impact of gang violence.

09:08 Communal community drug abuse

09:14 Just all the wrongs gentrification all of that and so I would teach my son and his younger brother. Jahmez about no matter how well we did in life what we have in terms of material things can be taken from you in the blink of an eye. So you have this really nice house that house can burn down tomorrow you have this really nice car. You can run that car into a pole and it's gone. So don't think your material things are so much of value that you look down on others. And so from that we do little things, you know, like I would Mentor young people and then I'd bring my boys with me to see what I do with young people so that they can learn we'd see, you know, a homeless person on the side of the street and we'd stop and give money or have conversations with them or just use a lot of interaction with the public that my son's normally wouldn't interact with or people that they normally wouldn't look back to interact with and

10:12 Using as an educational opportunity to talk about you know, that person is homeless. And so you don't look down on that person is so true. It's a trap and Billy Ray very young at age 8 wrote in his journal how he didn't think the world should have violence and homelessness and I still have that page from his journal, which I think is amazing that I have it and so he has some point through his high school career decided on his own to do community send community service activities in Tacoma, and I think that

10:46 Part of that was because as a high-school graduate, you have to have done something in community, which probably got him to looking for different things to do but he found this particular organization and was able to kind of latch on to what they do and they in a nutshell take young people teach those young people how to raise money and then those getting people take they have an auction those young people auction off items and then donate whatever amount of money that they raise to whatever charity that they want to pick Billy Ray was the first child out of the years at this organization, which was peace out had been in business Billy. Ray was the first child that had a conversation with them and asked who raises money for you.

11:38 And nobody had thought of that before and so he decided for his project. He was going to raise money for them. And so, you know, they've built this relationship that he loved them. They loved him and meeting the owners of the organization and he went to their eight-week session, but he continued to keep in contact with them and he brought a lot of other kids kids to join this organization and learn from that experience. And so somewhere in his philanthropic mind he decided one day as we're driving down the street but near our home that he felt there was a need to open a community center. So just out of the blue while I'm driving. He says mom, how do you open a community center? And I'm like I have absolutely no idea. I work in insurance, but

12:31 As a mom if you have children, you know that we can ask you a question. You better come up with an answer. I don't care how good it is better have something so I thought a racking my brain and I'm like you can rent a gym or higher security buy snacks. And yes, I'm going down these list of whatever could pop in my mind and then I stopped and said, why are you thinking about this and he said because there's nowhere for kids on the east side to go interesting. This is very interesting. Okay, and he says and I think I don't know if he could just see my face being kind of perplex cuz I'm like, this is a teenager talking about over for kids only referring to our neighborhood the east side and he said we'll look around while I'm eating all these kids are playing in the street, you know, they just kind of all over the place that just hanging out they have nowhere to go and I was like, you're absolutely right.

13:18 And so I told him what I could about opening a community center and I let him be on his way with that information 6 months later.

13:29 Billy Ray is

13:32 Hanging out with some friends have been in his cousins. And then she was kind of navigating twin friends and cousins, etc. Etc. And being with two of his friends they decided to go to this is after hours party, which is being hosted by a biker Club adult biker club and they were going to go there not to party but to check on one of the other kids mothers, who was there she has

13:58 Friends, I guess in the biker club or whatever. And so they show up to this establishment and find the mom and she decides that they shouldn't be there with venison adult establishment. But I think two teenagers being teenagers were like, I'm in this place. So where these adults are. So let's see what's going on and I find out that they couldn't have been there more than 10 minutes and apparently my son bumped up against someone who was playing pool and that person was upset about it and some words were exchanged in this person punched. My son across the pool table and I say this person because I don't know who this person is. We still don't have a killer yet.

14:46 And because he punched my son quite naturally the other boys who were with my son's sorry to fight this man and so a Big Brawl happens and when it's all said and done the boys are running out of the building and Billy Ray is shot and killed he's shot in the back. So he dies there on the scene.

15:09 And

15:12 Because he died on the scene.

15:16 This is the moment. Where is just you know, social media moves faster than the police. It's interesting because he died on the scene. Obviously. He was not at a hospital. So there were no hospitals to call or to call me and say your son is dead or even injured whatever.

15:39 And the boys who were with him at some point after they were done questioning been questioned by the police or whatever you do for thing. I did some point contact their families and this one of the boys mom's was already there. So word started to spread before it got to me. And so there were young people on Facebook saying rest in peace to Billy Ray one of my younger cousins saw it and questioned it.

16:06 Then told her mom and her mom calls me and says what's going on and I say what are you talking about?

16:12 There's something on Facebook. This is Billy Ray's did they said he got shot?

16:18 Solo con Hospital's course, he's not there. I still don't know that he's in the building. I called the police. They don't want to say anything because they're still trying to identify who the body has even though people there have told them and Billy Ray had his ID on him his identify identification, but

16:38 Fur from their point of view is yes, we have ID. Yes people are saying this but we have to be absolutely sure before we notify family cuz it could be the wrong family. So I sat for agonizing hours all day waiting for them to call me to tell me that that was really my son in the building and I didn't have enough strength to drive to the location of where he was or if not initially. I thought he was just in the middle of the street and I was like, I cannot go up there and see my baby later laid in the middle of the street, so I sent his father and

17:11 A couple other family members and they were all out there. But because his body was in the building they couldn't see either so they were hearing but they weren't for sure.

17:21 So I finally he know if I've had a medical examiner calls me and says I'm confident to say this is your son.

17:31 After realizing that my baby would no longer walk to my friend or a couple days later for whatever reason.

17:41 Community Center popped in my brain now for a couple years. I didn't understand why but it's worse almost 6 years into it and I now believe that I was subconsciously thinking if there had been a community center maybe he would have been there instead of in the place that he was

17:57 To be shot and killed

18:00 So

18:03 I wrote about it in his obituary in a week later. I set up at his funeral and talked shared some amazing funny stories about him. And I said he wanted a community center. We got to make it happen and I walked off the stage. Now. Remember I'm Insurance, you know this so I didn't know how to make that happen. I just was saying it I'm in the middle of my grief. I'm thinking big and little did I know I was speaking it into existence because amongst all those people in that audience and I count close to 500. I printed 500 obituaries. I have none left. So they're quite a few people in that audience, but about 10 to 15 teenagers that were they are organized a car wash in 2 days later. They held this car wash and raise a little over $700. They invited me down to come see what they were doing and I watch them wash cars and they hand me the $700 and I'm going things just really got real right now.

19:03 Cuz I now have $700 and it was like 718 or something like that $700 and a group of young people who believe in this dream and I have got to do something so

19:18 I say that's a moment where Mama Shae was boring people call me soon. As you know you do the kids and I said this at the funeral which was kind of funny because I said I lost one son or one child, but I've gained many more and those kids became my kids.

19:39 And so I started the Billy Ray foundation and started trying to figure out what I could do with these young people and I didn't start the foundation like right then of course, I took a couple weeks but it literally was a couple weeks after that but at that moment I was going to have to do something and so two days after that, so we're literally going couple days after the funeral was Friday Sunday was a car wash Tuesday evening. We were at our first meeting where there was some government officials in attendance and we came in to say here's our story. We lost somebody in our community 17 year old kid can see this need you as our elected officials. We as adults have to do something about it and something that I found that was very powerful was

20:26 Whenever I would enter the room, I'd have 10 20 kids with me and people especially elected officials with you know, their antennas would go up cuz they thinking these are our future voters. This is nice. We have young people coming in to engage in the conversation and they would always be very silent cuz they weren't accustomed to talking in those type of faces so they will be very silent. But when I got up to speak they would all stand up and so that was showing kind of power in the rain in the voice that was there, even though they weren't saying anything and we continue to do that anywhere we heard somebody of importance would be weed show up and I told the story to whoever was because again, I didn't know anybody in Tacoma and I didn't so I didn't know who to go to to even you know, throw this idea out there. I was just saying we need to do something and so from that I would get people who would say like I meant I want to help what can we do and through that the conversations continued my work with a building a foundation with focus on

21:26 Violence prevention as well as turning kids into gun philanthropist. So we were taking Billy Ray's Legacy of community service and keeping it going with these young people and while that was to remember him it also help keep the young people that were involved engage in positive activity so that they weren't in those faces like Billy Ray to be killed. So that was kind of an organic way of violence prevention. And then at the same time still keeping these conversations about the community center going. It's a one year later. I believe after we really got involved. We took some young people up to the state capitol. We had no plan no blueprint. We just knew we needed it. So we had to pep talk with the kids on the way they are cuz we were going to ask the state legislature for $500,000.

22:17 And I'm saying the state is broke. They're not going to give us any money. This is practice so we can get there and you know, we have some series of meetings with some folks and we asked for $500,000 and when it's all said and done the state gave us $400,000.

22:40 So we now had seed money to get going on this project and figure out how we can make this community center happen. So you would 400702 be absolutely accurate the $700. We actually used to fund some of the things we were doing with that young people and that at some point I have to tell them cuz I don't care how many car washes you have billions of dollars for this thing. So we use that to like I would have to rent a van and there were so many kids. You know that money would help pay for cost like that cuz I get a couple more fundraisers. I think I got up to about $3,000 and so we use that money for that and then like personally I donate firstly to the

23:29 Contraction of this community center. So as I'm saying that this construction we have gone so far now that we have been able to get that support from for government entities in a non-profit the four entities being our city. So it's city of Tacoma metro parks with your wishes are cities and parks department Tacoma school district and who am I forgetting. Tacoma Housing Authority those for partners which normally work in silos? Cuz they all have their expertise are all working together to help make this happened. So that's been huge cuz you don't usually see government get together that way and work together so kudos to them and then we also have the Boys & Girls Club which is huge because the Boys & Girls Club was actually in the Eastside Community for a very long time and it's some point in time. They had to close their building. And so now this is giving them an Avenue to come back they did try to do that. You can't

24:29 They tried they have been doing some programming still on the east side, but it's in a church. So it's you know, they're at capacity that can't get a lot more students or children in the neighborhood involved in their programs. So now do you know they're back in it? Like okay, let's how can we be a part of this and now it's becoming a part of a model that they're going to be using because they're looking at it from a we're not

24:54 Our expertise is programming. Our expertise is not keeping a building open. So we don't want to worry about is the roof leaking, you know is the pavement but you know, all these different things that keep a building since you know, so stay in a building there now looking at how do we get out of that? So this partnership has been great because now we're looking at let's build a building that these for government Partners have helped make happen and then Boys & Girls Club will come in and do some programming so it won't be another Boys & Girls Club, but it'll be a club. So to speak that a lot of different nonprofits and other can come in and do programming and you know, collectively the government entities can work together to make sure the building itself the Saints so that has been huge because

25:44 I personally have been able to participate in the fundraising the designing the planning all of these different aspects of building a community center. Which before I knew nothing about and now I probably feel like I could draw you out a blueprint for but I've been able to bring along those young people and keep them engaged because they get a seat at the table to talk about. What do they want to see in the community center? What do they want for their siblings Etc and them all so, you know for me it's at their making history, you know, they're young people who otherwise are seeing or being involved in something that they didn't think they could do right? And so it brings a lot of Hope to them. Give them some self-esteem some encouragement some you can do this like my bottle to them. I like I can't is not possible like you can't tell me you can't because

26:44 This community center is now 30 million dollars the new that's the cost and actually the price went up couple weeks ago to 31 million because the cost of materials so if you can make a 31 million dollar project happen, you can make anything happen. And so they've been able to be at the table and engage their families in this as well as other young people in the area, like even the whole design of this community center really takes a piece from the community's input. It's not a Wii is government are going to build this building and then you come in here and do what you know, whatever we provide you or engage in activities that we provide we've said you come in tell us what you want and then we'll build it. So young people have been involved in the designing of the music studio that's going to go into it. There's a teaching kitchen that they've been what is my favorite so I welcome the music studios probably my favorite cuz I've just seen so many kids get involved in music. That is not the typical playing the flute violin to anything but

27:44 The

27:45 Actual

27:47 Teaching kitchen the one of the kids all the kids got together as a group not my kids team Billy Ray's when I refer to them but kids in the neighborhood got together and as a educational partnership were able to work with others like the the local colleges and their students who are in culinary arts to look at. What is a you know, that what you call a commercial kitchen look like and what does it have in different foods and things in so they built model kitchens and then one young lady you a heart on the floor of hers and somebody asked her. Why did you put that heart there? And she said from what I understand I wasn't there for this conversation, but she said because the kitchen is where the heart is and so now I'm hearing we're not there yet, but they are trying to incorporate the heart in the kitchen floor when it's built so young people being involved in that as well as the the public art piece of it. So, what does the art look like that? You know, how does this place?

28:47 Like Home to you when you come in here so young people are involved in that as well. So that's been a huge accomplishment and along the way you know, my baby's as I called him or team Billy Ray the young people who helped me get this started have all grown up. They're all adults now, they started as teenagers in high school, but now they're either in college just graduated college summer Parents summer just working and they're actually able to see this come to fruition and give their feedback still so we keep in contact and they're now looking at kind of the next phase is because along the way I've interacted with other mothers who have also lost children and so I become this grief coach for them and helping them get through their grief and try to to build a legacy for their child. And then we also are being more diligent about our violence prevention program. So designing something that is not just this organic thing that we were doing.

29:47 But an actual curriculum where we focus on keeping kids alive keeping them free from prison and empowering them so that they have a future ahead of them. So

29:59 I think so. The other thing I would say that and what I think has been great about the story is it's a model for others and it's a model so big and I'd never would have dreamed this but it's become so big that it's gotten across the world. I literally just came back as you know from Switzerland sharing the story on the world stage and having the story translated in four different languages and having some interaction with the chief director General and I can't remember his full title. But he's the second man in charge of the United Nations. So really having people around the world say this is tragedy or you've been able to turn something positive make something positive out of something so tragic and realizing that I'm not unique this is happening across the world maybe for different reasons, you know in the US were dealing with a lot of like just gun I called

30:59 Epidemic came out his everybody's trigger happy these days but you know different parts of the world people are dealing with some sort of violence to some degree. And so it I found that sharing that story there. There were a lot that were inspired like we can move past the grief stage or the angry stage and do something positive. So that's been really nice to see and I call it the East Side Story that is now I made it across the globe. So I think I

31:26 Told you all about that. You mentioned at some point what the goals of the biliary Charlie Foundation is until the the main focus was the community center for so long. Now you've broken ground after they're pouring concrete in that sort of thing. I can you see if a physical building. Okay. And so I know that you've done things like the mothers of Distinction dinner where you invite other mothers are at but I did I ask for what you done dinners and stuff like that for mothers and you've and various other things that I know that you've been involved in and so is that what's the long-term?

32:09 If you even have a long-term goal for the Billy Ray Foundation, once the community centers built. Is that going to be the focus and I'm keeping that Community Center operational. Are you going to move into other face of things for the Billy Ray Shirley foundation excetera. So we technically broke ground. I think the second or third week of June and so there is concrete move in there, but they have to do some water cuz there's a lot of water that they need to I forget the term honesty excavate or something like that earlier. Yeah. Irrigate the babe. They need to I need to prepare the land before they actually lay any breaks down. So that's what they're working on now and then, you know, the things go as planned. We will be open and running next year summer time before you go. Can you just give us a little bit of background?

33:09 How the mothers of magnitude came to be in what that is exactly how I just threw out a term there that again as I did this work with the community center the young people, you know, a lot of attention was being paid to me if you know, there's this mom and she's doing this work and she's lost a child and so I became connected to quite a few other women and as well as through my own experience. I started to realize how we were lacking in not just in my city but quite a bit of distance where we're lacking support for mother such as myself. We have a lot of support groups. And of course, there's therapy, you know, you can have your psychiatrist and psychologist those things those sorts of folks to help you through the grieving process, but in terms of an actual group therapy session where you can sit with your peers, that's kind of non-existent. There is a lot of you know, I've sat in a group where parents of lost children

34:09 I'd really like to illness or there were some that I've met, you know to Suicide but not many that is not any in that particular group that actually had someone take the life of his child until that stuff to sit down with somebody because wow the end result was the same our path getting there was different though. It was hard to relate or use the Spectrum. Yeah, so I started to recognize that and talking to Mom's and I'm like we've got to do something for these moms in that in that also is because Mom's tend to be like, but what about my child's like my child is dead and now nobody speaks of them anymore. And so I learned the true meaning of Mother's Day or how it really got started which is a woman named Julie how who said during the Civil War the Civil War? She said it was unnatural for us to send our sons out toward to be killed and she actually started Mother's Day for peace.

35:02 And while Mother's Day has evolved and come up with different meaning since then that's what it how it started until I had this conversation with Team Billy Ray the young people and said, this is the true meaning of Mother's what can we do for some moms? And so they had this idea let's do this dinner for moms. And so my thought process came up with the mom today acronym mothers of magnitude. They decided we're going to host a dinner will have different entertainment the singer's dancers Etc. And then the one young lady said so Mama Shae since the true meaning or this started, you know, what the Mother's Day about losing our sons. How about the sun's deliver the dinner to the mall, so I thought this is great. So we had 20 kids 10 girls would make the plates and the boys can boys would actually serve the moms. And so that turned, you know, that was one big event that they created and it was to recognize these moms and say we haven't forgotten about

36:02 You and we haven't forgotten about your children and we did it a couple weeks after Mother's Day because that's a tough day to get through and so it was kind of like here's your second Mother's Day, you know one where we're honoring you and you know, I have one rule for the kids when that Mom says down in her seat. She is not to get up unless she's going to the bathroom. So you get her everything she want something to drink you get her something for dinner. You get it. Do you want a Kleenex anything she wants you get it? So the entire show you see these young people walking around their tuxes and their dresses, you know whispering to the moms. Is there anything I can get you something I can get you and throw making them really feel special and so that kind of evolved because while we only planned it for one time, we started getting people saying you want to do more and then we got support from Seahawks coach Pete Carroll who thought that it was a great idea and he's like you need to continue that so we've been able to get a lot of

37:02 Jordan doing that until actually this year we're planning on doing it on a boat if I can get things in order and time before the Summer's over but we want to do a cruise with the same sort of thing. But still trying to recognize those moms as fathers are important to I have to say that but I being a mom that's why I relate to when I realized that mothers and fathers grieve differently. So that is why we focus on mom's so we want to continue to do that and that's what came out of it. Okay. So that's one of the things until then just a carry on with the question about where you see the biliary Shirley Foundation going in the future construction. The building will open next year. I will do programming out of the Billy out of the community center. So I'm not here to run the community center. I'm here just like everybody else to do some programming and that's going to be that alive free and empowered program that I spoke about where we look to analyze different media and things and help young people. We look at violence as a disease.

38:02 It spreads like a disease and help kids identify. What are the things that contribute to make you you know somehow and either intentionally or unintentionally become involved in violence. And how do we change that thinking? How do you analyze Who Your Friends Are Dead cetera et cetera. And once you do that, then you can also set them on the path to being in power because now they know who to pick in terms of their friends. They know how to analyze movies and how that feeds their mind and then keeping them in gays in the community service piece because that's what helped build a resume to help Empower them and get them into school. So let me know if they want to move on to the higher education that's very helpful to them. So I'll be doing that and that's what I consider for. The long-term is isle. I will build I have I had to kind of put the Builder a foundation on the back burner for last couple years because I've been so focused on the fundraising piece of the community center, but now that things are in motion. I'm now going to be building that program backups. I want to build the Billy Ray foundation and

39:02 And as well as continue the mom's work that I'm doing so you talked a little bit about how the community service part helps the mold mold the minds of of the young people, but we talked a little bit before we sat down about how this community work effects.

39:20 The Camby and how it relates to Canby is values. Did you want to do speak a little bit about that? So there's a couple things are their values and there's a number of them. But the ones that stick out to me are hope courage and commitment and I think this community center speaks a lot to it because it's something that is if this is a brand new facility that's going into a part of town that is otherwise disenfranchised have a lot of low-income people a lot of young people on free and reduced lunch. A lot of people who just lost hope you know, and now we're you know, why money isn't everything when you walk out of your home and you're walking up and down the street as a child and you see this big facility that is there. It's new. It's it has everything that you would like to see in terms of activities. It really says to you that you are worthy of something so big I think the commitment piece shows not just for myself, but for the young people as well as a guy

40:20 Partners In Boys & Girls Club everybody getting together and being committed to making sure this happens. I just you know, I'd talked about how this is 31 million dollars. We're only about 26 million funded but we're so committed that no matter what that building is happening. So that's why we're moving forward with the construction. So we're continuing that fundraising path, even though we still have some funds to raise. So just a lot of I think what's happening in the community speaks to what cambia is really trying to get out to its employees and how they value philanthropy.

41:00 Okay. Well, we're almost wrapping things up. And so I guess I want to give you a chance to talk about how I know that you wouldn't clearly that goes without saying would not have wanted Billy Ray to to pass away. But how other than that is your life different than what you imagined. It would be. Wow. It's more enriched remember telling us a news channel one day that I sacrificed my son from others. And so while I have a deep feeling of loss and of course, that's something I'll never get over. I'm seeing who saved because of it and I'm you know, I'm not just looking to save the lives of Passage, you know, if young people but I'm looking at how this facility will be used by cambia members. It'll be used by cambia employees. So this is more than just my baby's dream. It's something that really will impact the community and while I can't save the life of

42:00 Everybody to give them the alternative or an option is what's important to me and to see that this work has not gone on in vain. I mean the fact that is going across the world now is huge to me and says that it's you know, I hate to use the word worth it cuz it wasn't worth it not worth my baby's life, but me not sitting and being the victim I think has really paid off because I could have completely gave up on everything and nobody would have blamed me by to say, you know what I'm not going to stop here. Let's keep going and now to see it happen is like wow, we did this conversation in the car. And here we are so young. And so finally, where do you see yourself and in 20 years?

42:55 5 * I mean I'm going to read that old lady walking the hallways of the community center. I really do. I think that that will be my second home and I just look forward to seeing the family's coming through for young people just watching them grow up and utilize the space that I spent the last six years working to get the email to make happen is going to be huge for me. But yeah the old lady with the cane in the halls or Wheeling yourself. I'll be there with you and tell you that.

43:36 Well, I think that some that's about it going to wrap things up. I really appreciate you giving me a chance to come out and listen to your story. I did learn a few things and I look forward to working with you in the future. Thank you. I think I appreciate your support and I would just say that for cambia. It's been really nice to see them take interest in the community center. You know why they haven't decided yet. If there's anything that they're going to be doing right and support of the community center to now send a representative out to take a tour has been really meaningful to me. I've given this company 19 years of my life. So just come out and say, okay. Let's see what's going on over here has been a really nice touch. That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you.