Jim Martin and Kevin Price

00:01 My name is Kevin price. I'm 57 years old today is August 6th 2019. We are in Yellow Springs, Ohio. I am sharing a conversation today with Jim Martin who is a good friend of mine that lives close to me in Bellbrook, Ohio, Ohio.

00:22 My name is Jim Martin.

00:25 98 years old

00:28 I'm in Yellow Springs, Ohio for an interview.

00:31 Name of my interview partner is Kevin price. Your relationship is a good friend.

00:44 So we can start.

00:46 I just do some background here Jim Jim Martin. I have been friends now for about 5 years. I met Jim 8 years ago. He was speaking at a memorial day service in Bellbrook Ohio at the cemetery there. I was very impressed with his ability to speak. Well, he spoke with the recollection of events that happened some at that time 67 years prior and he didn't have glasses and he stood up straight and I was very impressed with that. So I then took his name, but I need to talk to him cuz I've always been fascinated by the World War II generation.

01:28 In three years slip by and I went to Normandy for the 70th commemoration of the D-Day celebrate our commemoration for the D-Day.

01:39 Exercise our operation and I got to thinking about Jim and I thought I wonder if Jim still alive and so I came back. I did some research and I found out not only was Jim alive. But Jim it done something pretty impressive at the same time. I was over Normandy. So Jim what were you doing in Normandy five years ago? Same time. I was there and I just didn't know about it.

02:04 I made the parachute jump over there.

02:08 I wet your representative of my unit and

02:14 Now people think that something you're even really isn't something it's like riding a bicycle. Once you've done it. There's nothing to it. And of course people ask me. Why aren't you afraid? I should know what's to be afraid of

02:29 Russian

02:31 People seldom get killed or hurt parachuting

02:36 But look at motorcycles and Automobiles and things of that nature.

02:43 And this one reporter shed door doesn't bother is you can might get killed him. I said no terminal velocity when hit the ground 220 miles an hour and it's all over you don't know it. You don't even feel like falling when you're going. Would you rather do that or have cancer and linger around a couple of years and that ended the conversation good. I guess what people really need to understand though. It wasn't just that time and 93 year old man wanting to jump out of an airplane. It was a re basically essentially a reenactment of something you had done 70 years prior. So Jim is a proud member of the hundred first Airborne. He enlisted in 1942. He participated in the Normandy operation. He followed that with he jumped into Normandy Follow That by jumping into the Netherlands in September of 1944. He followed that but

03:41 By being involved with the Battle of the Bulge and and bastogne Belgium. And so the fact that Jim was jumping, you know, five years ago was was not just a novelty for an elderly person. It was it was to reenact something he had done at that point seventy years to the day and so Jim and talk this little bit now about how he first of all gotten military his views on the world at that time and hit his initial version to go in and participating in what was going to be a war at that point what changed his mind and then how he enlisted and there's there's quite a story to be told there's a gemmule will let you talk and just tell us about what was going on in the world that time why you joined how you joined and then talk to some about your trainees begin with

04:36 I grew up in a time when?

04:39 World War II head bent over and I was listening to stories of people who have been over there and been gassed and had other problems the first World War World War. Yes, and our country became isolationist and I was one of the worst isolation as you ever saw we've been there we lost more people to disease and other things that we had to combat. There's no way we're going to go back I felt

05:12 Well

05:14 Air King World War II

05:18 They all eyes are already fighting a 1938 and North Africa and I didn't pay attention to it cuz we weren't going now our country passed two laws.

05:31 After World War 1 was it America would never go to war again. Unless we were attacked in. The second one was Wilbur not lend any help or arms or anything at all to other people who did want to go to war.

05:49 World War II started and that really put a crimp on us helping the people in Europe.

05:56 No, I had a deferment and I didn't have to go.

06:01 And I wasn't going to go it wasn't Affair. It just said that's the way I felt.

06:08 Pearl Harbor happen, that didn't touch me in the least.

06:13 I said your pan while couple now show you how wrong people can be I should whoop them in a couple of months and that's it while I didn't turn out to be true at all this time. I'm going on we'll go down to the theater on the weekend and she's a pictures what was going on over there and it became apparent.

06:35 God bless we got into it our country got into it.

06:42 Britain and France were going to go down.

06:45 And that was going to affect us. It wasn't a matter of going over to help these people within a matter of going across and being allied with them and

06:57 Everybody should plaid every country that one answer plaid what they could

07:03 United States was crippled by these two laws. We put in the Roosevelt by executive order.

07:13 Came up with land lease and that's how we did it. Now Lana leaves meant that we could send some more ships some other equipment. We made them pay for it.

07:28 Don't know why that there is a backstory to that.

07:32 Roosevelt was a Navy man and surprisingly.

07:38 He understood the Navy wasn't going to win a war. They had to have everybody.

07:47 So she said not having a book to prove it that he wrote talk.

07:54 He ran the whole War by executive order and he said I knew at the time that was totally an abuse of that.

08:05 Order

08:07 But had I not done it and I had to go through Congress for everything that was done would never win that war. That's how it was. He also had another thing and he did say this and that's also documented.

08:22 He felt there was only one country.

08:28 Through Lucy's England had been seized for years and he said the country is going to rule the Seas after this is the United States and he cripples England financially to make that happen.

08:47 Amazon is I recall you are working in a machine shop at the time and what's interesting with what you were just talking about with the Navy you had a particular interest in. So how do ya do bees bite before you were going to think about joining the Navy you had to come to a conclusion that even though you were initially very resistant to foreign involvement in wars and stuff like that. You changed your mind because of what you saw happening in your factory. Then you thought you would go I you can tell the story you were going to go join the Navy and then became fascinated with a Navy submarine service the moms from loved and lured people to get out of Triple 7 live.

09:35 20000 Leagues Under the Sea in all of that and inductor BB who went down the bass Escape so when I went down I signed up for the Navy.

09:48 For submarine Duty and then I said to the man who how soon am I going to go? He said they're working on the sub you'll be on it'll be six months. You've been home and we'll keep contact with you.

10:02 And I don't want to wait a minute. I had a big fight with my boss. I had a deferment I didn't have to go and when I told him I was going to go anyway, he got really upset. You should Jim. Let me tell you something these contracts. We have our Cost Plus and for every hour that you're here.

10:25 I make $5 clear. And I don't give a damn if you sleep in a rag bin now, that's the callous way that people talked so I couldn't go back and ask him to work for another 6 months. So I went right across the hall and signed up for parachute Duty. That was something new.

10:46 There's a little league over there. And if I was going to go in I want to be in the hottest unit this trip wasn't.

10:54 So I signed up for that and I'm glad I did.

10:58 Wednesday's, it's interesting. Jim is truly his ability to recall dates times places events. It's completely but you would not expect for someone at his age. I think it's 98 now, but one of the things he's you made me aware of is what we look back and we think about the World War II era is that the whole country was unselfishly behind everything that was going on but it's Jim just conveyed his own personal experience. They were businesses that saw opportunities for extreme profits and 8 in in in spite of what we think of that are there were some exceptions to that and so to Jim and countered that directly where he couldn't go back to the place of work. So he just gave up his job cuz somebody got mad at him because he was going to cost them money. So now would rather wait 6 months that submarine he joins the Airborne of the army. Now, the funny thing is after I went into training

11:54 Trevor wakes to mention the Navy came to my parents house and wanted to know where I was.

12:02 I need she said well, my mother said he's in the service and he showed them the letters I had sent home and they looked at each other and said well if he's in the service said okay now today you'd have a congressional inquiry but out how loose things were then so they didn't bother me at all and

12:26 Singer did bother me the union head to the union.

12:33 Publicly said we've been waiting for something like this for 30 years and they ask for tremendous raises for all the people that we're going to be working in the defense industry.

12:46 And

12:50 Roosevelt said that isn't going to happen.

12:53 Narcos when Harry Truman got and he said the same thing.

12:59 In the head of the coal Union John L. Lewis said I'm going to take over the railroads Truman told him. No you're not. I'll draft every damn one of your people will run the railroads now. That's the selfishness went on.

13:16 Believe me and all these businesses in addition to your work almost every one of them had some black market stuff going on among their people and

13:33 Her people over her fighting and dying their worrying about making money.

13:38 Now the war itself

13:42 I went to a place called Toccoa Georgia that have been used in World War II and later for the 3C Camp about a hundred miles Northeast of Atlanta.

13:55 5000 foot alligator it was a mountain air that went up a thousand feet farther.

14:01 We're on that mountain.

14:04 45 times a week

14:08 6 Mile round trip 40 to 50 minutes

14:14 We started out with 6500 people the end of about four or five months. I'm going to head to 1650 left. I'll tell strangers and all experimental things for parachuting with tried on us to see if they were fit to be used in combat.

14:36 So Jim, he basically was in the top 25% you know, there was only out of 6500 1500 about 1,650. I would say 1500 with Jim remembers precisely 1650. Actually, I got through the training and so is quite remarkable. And one thing I had talked to him about on the way over here today. How much was it you weighed when you got in I weigh 260 lbs. And what was the minimum weight that you could be to get in the military that time he had that maybe drink some water that day to make sure he had the enough weight on it and then you went to your training it was as you can talk more detail about it here, but you did walk up some and you got the 35lb I carried that way to haul through.

15:29 My training and all through the combat. That's another thing a little people like me didn't suffer one. We were behind the lines and couldn't get resupplied with food. The bigger guys hundred 1560 with a bigger guy at that time. They lost a lot of weight and they suffered also they suffered tremendously from a lack of water and I did not so, you know,

15:57 That just the way I am. I never drink water.

16:01 Veteran

16:03 And people got that should didn't bother you when you saw people get killed and I said no.

16:09 I didn't kill him and I said look you got to understand when you're trying to do this. People are going to get killed you expect that and no I didn't feel sorry. They were out of it. We're still going to have a long time to go to supper and do this sort of thing.

16:30 And maybe that's callous. But another thing you have to realize people in these hot combat outfits that goes to the ones today. You cannot be emotional if your emotional

16:45 Is it will be there and that's what that stiff training we had that first group and we're the first ones there original people at the car in the group chat followed us didn't do all the things we did because they said it was too strenuous.

17:03 But that differentiates us from the other side came through.

17:09 And

17:11 Yes, we shall terrible things and people ask me today.

17:16 Don't you have nightmares and all that and I said never had a nightmare in my life. Never had a dream about it.

17:23 When I was young it was bad when you're out with okay, and another thing to people at home didn't know what we were doing and as soon we were in danger every day, so they suffered tremendously our parents did.

17:40 But you know the combat really wasn't as bad as people thought and didn't last as long we had good times. We met people we would never have known are associated with and those friendships have lasted until they died off and I'm one of the very last ones left.

18:03 People that I wouldn't even thought of going with people that drink and smoke I never drank or smoked. I thought it was damn foolish and still do

18:14 I'd like to see alcohol get off the pace the Earth, but do what that won't happen.

18:21 But the fighting

18:25 Hitler made some terrible mistakes. He had a non-aggression pact with Russia.

18:31 And for some reason he

18:34 In his mind

18:37 Thought Russia was trying to undermine him and he threw up a non-aggression pact.

18:44 And those people paratroopers German paratroopers came over and that's what we hit when we first went into Normandy.

18:53 And word for bragging all the time for going to go over there and kill every German there is

19:01 And I have a little more against me and talk and then laughed about it when we were saying that.

19:13 Are there professional Soldier they've been fighting for years and you young guys are going to come over there and beat us?

19:22 We talked about that today and we're good friends today and people say how can you be friends with them the things they did I said, let me tell you something all through history.

19:34 The history books are written by the winter. They always told what the enemy did but they never told our people did I said our people did some of the worst things that they just like they did, but I tell people when I go back to Europe today,

19:51 There's still a lot of hatred or was earlier and I talk to people at all levels over there. I know everybody over there. I know their military people and I talked to all of group 7.

20:06 You got to get over this hate. We all have to live the war is over and then they had this thing where they went over and rebuild the German factories.

20:19 And our factories over here raised a fuss about us going over and doing it to them for let me tell you something.

20:27 Reparations always happens after a war

20:34 You take money via text part of the territory or you take other things they have.

20:41 Rodger didn't want the money Russia took the factory. I mean it literally took the factories up and took them out or in the Euro mountains. They had no factors left.

20:54 And Roosevelt

20:57 And a banker's here got together with the bankers over there while I wore was going on just sitting up this thing that they did go over and help him rebuild and a lot of our people thought that was welfare. It was not welfare.

21:14 It was for us to if we had not helped them build up over there. It would have taken 15 or 16 years to do it.

21:24 Jim one thing I think I probably ought to touch on just so the audience and people listen to future will kind of have a better way or a more in-depth way of understanding your background with respect to training and your experiences. Was that Band of Brothers series that I believe Tom Hanks was the producer of unit. It's a 10 or 12 episode series that started in the 90s and it it depicts. Literally the unit that Jim was a member of hundred first Airborne 506 parachute Infantry Regiment and it deals with the 506e company is Ira call. Jim was in G company a golf company and soap. It ain't right. That is really not. I've sat and I've watched these episodes with Jim and it's been really just a really phenomenal experience cuz that he watches it and he'll tell me that's really accurate. The way their address is accurate. There's a little Spade on the side of their helmet. That means they're part of the 506.

22:24 Golf company and you'll see all that's not correct cuz we would get shot if we all gathered around somebody that just got injured or whatever. And so that the episode that series did a lot to two things one and help the current generation understand what they went through and through the training combat operations predominately, but then also that that in the movie Private Ryan is until that point Jim didn't talk a lot about us his wartime experiences, but in the nineties when the movie started coming out and people start to realize he's veterans were becoming older and it was time to hear from them. That's what that's when Jim basically came into his face of life right now. He would that point was already what 20 years retired or 10 or 15 years retired and he then began share in his stories and experiences. So those that movie private Saving Private Ryan in the Band of Brothers series

23:19 That represents what Jim went through you let through Normandy with with with Private Ryan but in the Band of Brothers series of actually takes you through the Netherlands where Jim also jumped into and September of forty-four also the Battle of the Bulge and also their movements through to Germany, so that would be a good reference for anybody listening. This wants to know exactly more detail what that experience was like in terms of training and combat experiences. Then that would be pretty highly recommended by our Private. Ryan was a good movie but it's all a lie. If you wanted to get something you want to the headquarters of a unit and ask for him and it's in the runner out in 15 minutes bringing the guy back to you. It made a good story.

24:06 But that just didn't happen that way in another incident shows.

24:12 2016 or 2009 prisoners and one of our people went by an officer and started talking to them and gave all of them cigarettes and then why turn up the cigarettes and then he shot and killed all of them. Now that's been widely put out as a truth and I have for years.

24:35 Talk to people said oh, yeah that have 900. How do you know what someone told told me I have never found that to happen. If it had that offer would have been court-martial and probably hang though. There were some Miss just did not happen, but they persist private the movie Private Ryan at least in the battle scene at the beach is pretty darn represent all the battleship ever. You want to watch that. Absolutely right? I mean that was done perfectly now tell you something else in this is selfish.

25:10 I would rather have jumped into his combat the way we did then come in on the beach.

25:17 The people coming out on the beach came on. The tide wasn't quite right.

25:22 Everything was flooded.

25:25 Any word multi machine guns and machine guns were pointing straight down on the beach to wear at an angle.

25:35 In a machine gun here would be shooting in a position further down the beach. So the people coming in didn't know where these guns were located and that contribute to a lot of gas. Now one thing across a lot of death for the paratroopers was the fact that we were ordered not to have a weapon loaded until we get out of our shoot or shoot for very difficult to get out of and many people got killed in her shoot my Battalion Commander Colonel over thing was killed my company Commander Captain venner was killed it was a bunch of other officers killed that way in fact wolverton's body was so mutilated.

26:22 That he wasn't identified until August now we had a bad thing. We had no place to put prisoners. So there are nine.

26:35 Companies in our Battalion of regiment right? I'm sorry. And each of those had a c o and H of them.

26:47 Had the authority to do what he wanted as far as prisoners. When is your mother's already had camps for prisoners, but they still shot prisoners we came in.

26:59 A lot of our guys

27:02 Shop Prisoners 2 when they shouldn't have

27:06 My company would not allow it.

27:10 II instants during the war.

27:13 That I know of is somebody in our company did something like that and if it is known about it, they would have been court-martialed and home is in one thing. I think it's important for the audience to know is that you're just kind of obliquely mentioned you're jumping in what I didn't know till I started talking to you. I knew everybody knows or most people know about the dawn, you know approach to the beach and everybody getting shot and killed in great numbers and what not. But that was at 6:30 in the morning on June 6th. But but what happened at 12:30 in the morning, that's where my unit jumped so you're jumping in behind German lines in the Twilight of northern France in June if it's pretty dark but not completely dark. They have no more Dover de lights. We are 11 you can still do if someone but you were hitting the ground about 12:30 and they were scattered all over the place because of their aircraft were approaching they were shot at and there was Cloud Bay.

28:13 And so they had a lot of difficulty joining up that use these little clickers which were made here in the Dayton area, I believe and it was made to sound like a cricket and then we could have just made here in the date at Johnson Tool and Engineering the company I work for

28:29 It was okay for 15 minutes, but the Germans soon caught onto it what was going on. It wasn't effective as it could have been however.

28:43 People ask where you're afraid and I should you know what when I looked out the door and saw all those heavy caliber Tracy's coming up and all of the explosions going off in the flag. And yeah, it was fascinating. There was none no room for fear. Remember we hadn't been in combat we had experienced at

29:08 Like I said, we got out of the plane. We were about 450 feet and soon as we hit the ground we found up what combat was like

29:17 I went down another thing a big storm came up three days. Later.

29:22 And destroyed the artificial Harbor should have been built.

29:27 So there had no way of getting supplies and they thought

29:31 As usually happens.

29:34 Military operation to planning usually goes to hell when you get into combat and you have to adapt everybody did a death.

29:46 But we got the message that if the storm didn't let up and they couldn't get another hundred thousand people and supplies.

29:55 In the next 24 hours, they were going to pull back in the thing was over in you guys over there or on your own now people said to me or did not upset you should know.

30:09 So what would have been prisoners nobody even said anything about it? We just expected that but I was half as the adaptacion came. They put every damn boat. They could find small boat and Higgins boats and everything. They did get the supplies over and we were that's the way it went to me. Just got the signal we got about 10 minutes here. So I'm going to hit a couple of things. I think they're quite important for the audience to know so you were successful with your you know with your with the troops in Normandy then in September 17th, 1944. You jumped into the Netherlands. Now most Americans know about D-Day operation in Normandy, France not many know about this operation called Market Garden, where was actually a bigger Airborne operations. I understand it in in in the Netherlands and what it was he had in France and so I retired Air Force was I had the great honor and privilege to live in the Netherlands for 3 years and until I moved

31:09 Dragons with my family. I did not realize what Market Garden was and basically it was mostly successful. It liberated about a half of the Netherlands and up to arm and in the Dutch celebrate that every year there there there. They sent you their Liberation at least in the lower part. So Jim Jim jumped into their he was wounded there had that it had a couple days after near Eindhoven had to be sent back to England to recuperate but Jim has been back to the gym and I went to Nolan's three years ago. They still honor him and in him in the folks that serve there just with the deepest gratitude. Jim and I are going back next month. It's going to be the 75th of commemoration of the liberation of of the southern part of the Netherlands and Jim is going to jump again age 98 he's going to jump very close to where he jumped to in the Netherlands. He jumped in the sun will be jumping out of clothes to

32:09 Call Tierra de which is close to Vacaville, which is where my son was born when we lived over there. So I were really looking forward to that trip Jimmy prime time to make a couple comments about the Dutchman. We'll talk a little bit about the ball to then we probably have to wrap it up, but it's amazing.

32:29 Operation was thought up by Montgomery Isner didn't want to do it. But the British really idolized.

32:39 Montgomery it was a foolish operation to begin with that wasn't properly supplied. We didn't have the Tactical aircraft. We should have had and we're supposed to keep a road open 60 miles long through enemy territory across the Rhine River in the British. We're going to jump 10,000 paratroopers over there and a Dutch would have a brigade and they're supposed to be relieved in 3 days. There's a major Bridge we had to take the Germans had the north end of it the 82nd Airborne head to South End.

33:18 The British Commandos. It came over instead of jumping right on the bridge. They jump their people six miles away. The Germans weren't stupid damn reinforce. Their people on the bridge to bridge could not be taken and that's why the operation failed we couldn't get across there to our moment. We lost all eight thousand of those $10,000 over there.

33:45 And a reporter said maybe it took went after a bridge too far. That wasn't it at all. It was a black radish. Now the Dutch people to show what they were like everybody wanted to help us when we hit the ground kids 14 and 15 picked up rifles and went with us and when it's and one young boy 15 years old spoke perfect English and they took him to headquarters and he was a interpreter for them.

34:22 Until he got killed in a bombing and girls 14-15 went through German lines there checkpoints gave him stories about they had to get over to get the cows or she somebody then they came back and told our people are all the gun positions were and how many Germans were there will German soon caught up with it and they shot these girls and there's one young girl lost a leg in artillery barrage and several years ago. She was 82, I think at the time and a reporter asked her if she thought what you did over there was worth losing her leg and she should yes not do it again. That was the spirit of the Dutch people is really really has great affinity for the Dutch people for the you have the gratitude that Express to him over the years. He's he's developed a really warm relationship with Lieutenant Colonel Bruna that lives in the Netherlands. He's

35:22 Actually writing a book about Jim and that book will be released probably later this year. A lot of December along with two other hundred first Airborne members of the kind and Danny McBride didn't decline. I'll be in the book. They want to write just me alone. I said no, I won't do that and they were talking about how much money you get from the book. I said, I'm not interested in the money at all. So when they changed it came back and said, how about the other two I said you out that what you going to do with the money and they said well, we're going to set up a foundation and the money will go into the foundation to help veterans that need it just said, okay, I'll sign on to that. This book will be released in the Netherlands be able to be written in English. And so it'll be titled. I believe the last three screaming eagles that was that was the the name or they

36:22 Ray's used for the hundred first Airborne couple quick things here, but going to wrap it up gym has a very healthy Facebook page. It's administered by someone else but he gives approval to what goes on he's got over almost some 30000 38000 followers pro this year what the first aircraft that dropped troops into Normandy. The very first lead aircraft of 900 c-47 was about to be chopped up for metal about three or four years ago. They found out about it gym help raise money, they flew this aircraft up here in April from from Texas and he was able to go on and so was I and some of his family members and I was really a wonderful thing additional the first other things historical with respect to Jim. There was a letter he wrote to his mother that miraculously the actual recording that letter your son at War.

37:22 Ww here in Cincinnati and it's a wonderfully Written Letter. It just shows you the eloquence of the man has and it just conveyed his experiences in the war. But also his his his love and appreciation for his family and Jim. I know we're probably found a couple minutes now, so I want to be very clear here to you. I miss Levi your relationship. I'm honored and privileged to have met you five years ago and have shared these last few years with you learning from you. I have immense respect and appreciation for your generation. I recognized that we're free nation in the Free World because of what y'all did and I really appreciate it that you allow me to come to your home on a regular basis that we can sit down and talk as you can teach me not just about the war but about life in the twenties in the thirties and up until now and you're Keen mind and how you see the world and and and help me get perspectives on things even in the modern age is just deeply appreciated and I really am deeply grateful to you for me meeting him.

38:22 Wonderful things just happen to me in a long time, but there's something is always bothered me about the Battle of Bulge.

38:31 Hundred first airborne

38:37 Have a little about it and how what all we did but they don't realize that there were about sixteen other ground units in there when it was closed off. They were put under the command John McCall off the hundred first Airborne, they fought as valiantly if we did we could not done what we did without them and it bothers me that they never got the recognition and I try to tell people this because I think they should get the recognition for what they did. Do we have like one minute yet, Jim. Are you a hero? Everybody has to hear your response. Tell us what you think about when people call you a hero and give us your perspective tell you something about it.

39:27 If your volunteer for something and you're trained for it, and you get paid for it, you're not a hero.

39:33 That's the same with our firemen and policemen in her EMTs there once you do that, you're expected to do those bad things and put yourself in danger it here you see it every day in the news.

39:49 There's a wreck and there's a fire.

39:53 Car on fire recently had a 20 year old woman and she came up through the car that are wrecked was on fire and there were two women out there screaming my baby in there.

40:06 That woman with no training no worry about herself. She got in there and got that baby out with it. And it far exploded shortly after she got to wait. That's a hero gym always makes it a point to telling people when they want to say while your hero and thank you know he can say yeah, we were we were Brave, you know, you can say you had courage and facing the enemy but to say you're a hero he's very very adamant that he doesn't see only about 7% of any population.

40:42 Latest programs from Burruss due to heavy combat. Now that goes back to people in Africa that use Spears and every group of people in the world.

40:59 Ocean percent of population can do the Saints and so therefore we are the people should go nobody else should be there. Just the ones that can do it. It's your obligation to do that. We're deeply grateful for the opportunity to hold our story. I want I want to thank you for letting me tell my story. I appreciate what you're doing over here and I've hit been here before and people say what again over there liberal over there and you're a conservative. I should just make any difference to me whatsoever. I said you're nice people and I appreciate what they're doing there an active thing. And you know I said it will show you talk to all kinds of people I said sure.

41:47 I'll talk to anybody.

41:50 And he does and he'll teach you something to in the process. But thank you very very much.