DonnaAnn Ward and Aarika Wood

00:00 Hello, my name is a rick of wood. I am 41 years old. I actually be 42 next Saturday. Today is Saturday. May 22nd, 2021 and I'm in Baltimore, Maryland. And I am interviewing my dear friend.

00:19 Hello, I am donnaann Ward and I am 56 years old and I will be 57 next Wednesday Today on Rick and I share some birthday money. Today is Saturday, May 22nd, 2021. I am in my hometown of Baltimore, Maryland and my conversation partner is a rick of wood. I call her Ricca. And she is a beloved friend. So

00:49 That's us.

00:52 You're up. You got what you just said. Alright, so, you know what occurred to me during this time, you know, this sort of third wave of civil rights human rights movement in America that Rick and I have sorted this kind of Common Ground, you know, with our childhoods in that we both experienced immersion in all white culture and all black culture or predominantly white, predominantly black culture, and I thought it would be interesting because we talked about everything. Nothing is off the table with us. That's for sure. And Rick had many things to me. You know, she is a feminist a daughter, a dog owner of Soul Sister, you know, but she's also black and I would never not see Ricca as black. And so I thought, maybe we could talk about our experiences and shed some light on these really trying times where

01:52 So much is getting done and seems like nothing's getting done. So. So when I was a kid, I grew up in a very very white neighborhood. Towson Maryland in the county has a long racist history and my dad lost his career. As as you know, Rick of my dad lost his career when when I was five and he went to eventually his first love which was Sports and you started as you know, if Sports officiating company. And so I had a lot of black people, especially black men in my life on a regular basis and

02:31 I didn't really realize how unique that was in my childhood. I went to an almost all white school, pretty much all the way through high school, and then I discovered the city and the city was not white at all. And I realized that

02:50 I didn't feel uncomfortable and communities of color and then I remembered when I met you and you said that you had gone to Seton Keough that your mother told you aside and said it. And I'm going to paraphrase wildly. And if I'm wrong, please do correct. Me that, I'm, she wanted you to be able to know why culture. So, I just wonder what that experience was like, for what you, what you what it felt like. When your mother said, you know.

03:19 You're now going to a Catholic girls school, where none of your friends are, and what it was like for you when you got to that school and and how that experience changed or didn't change.

03:29 Yeah, so that's why I'm so I'll tell you the exact story. So I thought I was. I'd I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, strong roots, in East Baltimore City, predominantly black communities. Been a lot of time with my grandparents but lived in the county with my mother in Randallstown. And so I had gone to predominantly black Public Schools, but they didn't always start that way. It was like as time went on. We started the kind of see the white kids phase out, right? And like moved further north the neighborhoods in the schools. And here I am graduating eighth-grade all set to feed into one of those. The major high school and my mom had gone to Randallstown high school for something and she walked in and she said she heard a kid yellow, my fucking god. And

04:27 She was like, yeah, you're not going here. Wow. She told me that story. I don't think my mother knew until that moment that she was going to send something. Holy. I think it was like, okay, let's check it out with see what it's about. And I mean my mom the way she Paints the picture it was like she had walked into lean on me before Joe, Clark, United mean? Like it was like, oh no, my kids not going here. And so the speaking me finding out that I was going to go to and it was never mentioned that. It was all white.

05:04 It was just that it was Private School. It was never said that, that's what was going to happen. And when I was in first grade my best friend, Melinda Bloom was low, a Jewish girl. And so I wasn't stranger. So, you know, having and it's like, you know, when kids are socialized, we don't pay attention that color like that, you know, you're in the sixth grade, you know, a Sharon graham crackers or not. You don't like kids, are you don't? And so, I walked into that school. Also, it's probably good to know that I was fairly green. Get out. My friends won't like, having sex. They weren't doing drugs. You know, I felt like I had almost just put my baby dolls down. And I walked into this homegirl, and full of white girls braiding each other's hair, talkin, about how they had gotten from this summer and throwing up,

05:58 What in the world did I walk into? And I remember feeling like,

06:04 Okay, this is not any of the experience that I could relate to, but that was it and at that school, I was in the Hat, I had tested it, right? Because I was coming out of a public school. So they needed to place me into this, you know, and not to mention. It was not only private school. It was Catholic. That was a whole nother culture shock cuz we were like methodists and Baptists. So I didn't even really know that they were black Catholics. That was also talking to me. I test it in and where I tested in

06:47 The the level that I was placed in scholastically, it was only myself and one other black girl predominantly that. We'd move through these classes. Together was I say, forecast, a large percentage of and I stay black. But if you say people of color that was even smaller, you know, I could count on one hand in all four. Grades number of Asian girls are Latino girls. We had the predominant, minority culture was black and I would say we were somewhere between 8 to 10 % for Catholic schools, Mount de Sales on the bus on with, they're like, no black girls there. So,

07:37 But the black friends that I would make were not the black friends, I would learn with.

07:45 And so that's what changed the game. Because study groups. Did you do your homework? Have you caught up on this?

07:54 There became on my white friends right now. Those girl people, we sat in the back of it in the type of lipstick and with her, but, you know, and that's what my parents would be like there. I really moved in between those two worlds, socially and scholastically. So, there was, what would have been probably considered remedial? There was a average. There was a bus average in the honors and most of my classes were the above-average class which

08:32 Call it what you will. I don't know why there weren't more people of color in there. I don't know what you would think that the game was up. For them because of the way they learned, but not so much. I also didn't know that there were entire private schools that were composed of black people. That was another thing. They had said these, these people have been in private schools are whole life. So I mean that was, that was pretty much my experience and then I went to Catonsville community college. So I did Community College for two years, which was a mix so much points do. Now my the lastic World becomes diverse not just in color but in a cage, right? And didn't come from and in it, you know, people maybe immigrants tended people may be going back to school continuing education, so that became different and then I decided enough with white folks. I wanted to go to HBCU

09:32 Process changes while I had a lot of experience, you know, that when I was that fourteen-year-old girl that cried because I wasn't going to be able to go to school with all my friends. You know, I look back on what my mom did for me now and it has served me extremely. Well, you know, and when I met donnaann, you know, it was no stranger to white and black, but it also wasn't as political I guess for me in the 80s. It was like, okay, your friend was white and that's just what it was like, she was white. She was a little different, you know, it and I don't feel like I'm sure there were racist girls at our school and know that there were. But that was about as the population was that as much as there were the golf girls, The Artsy girls, you didn't mean like the Nerds, you know, that was probably the nature of it. So I was fortunate while while I was very aware that it was there.

10:29 Why you just didn't talk about it? So then meeting and then she had moved back from La South Central. LA know that she knew more about what Boyz in the Hood. This was her neighborhood and she was very, you were like

10:50 You just kind of knew you know, it was just like oh, yeah. Yeah, that's different. Like why people do that different, you know, and it was never a kind of a thing where you were like. Oh, okay, and I appreciated that. You weren't part of this. Very you don't overly political thing where you don't walk around telling me I see you later. You know, I remember going dark this time last year because it was around my birthday and the Floyd stuff had happened and the world was blowing up politically and it was either your or you're not with Trump and people were fighting on Facebook. And I started washing love Island, UK for like a month because and I don't even do reality TV because I couldn't handle it and I remember telling you and all you said was Bo honey. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know and then we talked about other stuff.

11:46 We did other things and we hung out with our dog. And I mean, I can appreciate and I can see color. It is separate and I don't want anyone in to not see me as a black woman, but I don't need to talk about it all the time. You know, I don't need to do that. I like recognizing, you know, it will just stay with me right into like, what was high school like for you? Because Towson the extent of housing, for me, what type of Hilton of the big old mall, right? That was like a nice little trip that we did but you know, we were Randallstown Milford Woodlawn, which was it was County, but it was still predominantly black. So I didn't really get out like my hanging and, and, and what I did I did, I don't know. I don't know what that was. Like, where there, you know, where did you go to high school?

12:34 Well, that's that's an interesting question. And I do, I do want to make to make sure that I asked you.

12:42 How you feel, your experience in high school? What it did for your identity, you know, did it? Expand your perception of yourself as a black woman? And what did the rest of your family think, like, with anybody else doing this at their kid being like, all right, we're going to do this racial social experiment, to keep you away from these racist people in high school, but for me, I went to a very I went to. I had a very traditional kind of Mayberry, but there was a lot of dysfunction in a lot of these Irish Italian, Germany, alcoholism and people beating their kids and kids running away and that sort of thing.

13:26 And we all went through school together. There's a group of like 20 kids. Then I went to school with from kindergarten to 12th grade. They were all white. They were all in my neighborhood. And I remember there was one black boy in my Elementary School, Tony and

13:45 He was fabulous and I could see even as a child. He struggled, and he struggled because he was the only black kid in this white neighborhood and it was a lot of racism.

13:56 We had a deer family leave. They sold their their home. Does it burn their kids aged out and bought their house and we had Vietnamese. They were got. Guy, never called both people because they were fleeing and they had been picked up on boats. And, and the child moved in next door. And we had to Vietnamese girls. Join our class, and fourth grade and they were fabulous. Love them.

14:25 And there were boys in my neighborhood Who harassed the jobs, they stole fence material from them. That you'll racial slurs at them. They urinated on their lawn. They were horrible. And, you know, my parents pushed back was they ignore the noise and I help. The child has filed a police report. And when he was selling his car, my mother bought his car. They were just friends. They were friends and neighbors. The way. I was raised was you judge people by their actions?

14:55 . You know, my father was a Jesuit is very important to him to be of service and to work with whoever want to do the work. When I went to Junior High, there were more. We had like, you, you know, a smattering of Latinos, its nattering of Asian very few black kids. And then I went to Loch Raven, Senior High which had about three thousand kids and it was white really white and

15:23 It was not mixed, people didn't mix, you know, again, we fell into lines of activity, the jocks, the theater people into that sort of thing, but I had had this experience and I continue to have my father run, that's where the face officiating, business almost to the day. He died. And so I had this experience that didn't drive, you know, I and when I watch Tony struggle in elementary school and his mother was, she was the loveliest woman and she was beautiful. She was so beautiful, which was very hard for the races because you had a lot of suburban moms, you know, where the frumpy, you know, and then in came Tony's mom and she look like she's been torn out of Elle Magazine and

16:08 I could see that he struggled because because of racism and I didn't know what to do about it, except be his friend. And I remember the only time I've ever been hit, we had just a just a terrible child, terribly races, Stanley terrible and he would harass a Jewish student that we had dale dale con and he was beating him up on the basketball court, one day and I stepped in and and Stanley James punch me dead in the face and

16:39 The only real win on that, was he got suspended.

16:44 But so, you know, I had this sort of Underdog, you know, like like don't do that, you know, racism is wrong and you know, people are, you got to look for the good in, you got to, you know, everybody kind of got along but I also didn't have a naivete because we would have this neighborhood. We call up and tell my mother, you know, I do thank you for your concern and you know what, my father, lost his career. We had tremendous financial difficulty and I literally would have starved. If the black man of Baltimore had not stepped up and trusted my father to get them work to pay them, to pay them same as everybody else and they they really saved our lives. So when I graduated high school, I went right down the city and I was like, you know what, I want to be with everybody and 80s.

17:38 Crackhead, not yet been introduced really in in large-scale into the black neighborhoods. So we around everywhere, you know, we took the bus and we walked and I hike and you know, my friends were everybody and it was a very it felt like a very free time but in a Reagan had been elected and then that sort of that got a really big toe hold and on the city began to be more violent and then I moved to New York and everybody was in New York, you know, it's it's and it was easy to avoid the racist. It was really easy because there were plenty of people who weren't and then I moved to Japan. And I was really The Outsider, you know, I was very small minority of non-japanese and when I came back to Baltimore, I went to college and then I was in theater. So, you know, theater has always been a refuge for

18:37 You don't fit in come with us and see the beauty in them and the talent. And you know, every Star gets to shine. And then I move to Southern California, which is now a gentrifying neighborhood and got involved with the black community there, which, you know, is trying not to get run over because white people will organize up out of you. They will come into your community meeting and put an agenda and expect to be heard. And, you know, how we back to Baltimore and I have been gone almost 20 years. And you, and I have talked about this. I I just, I forgot, I forgot about the racism in Baltimore.

19:34 And you know, when both when I was involved. It was the Schaefer yours dollar houses were happening, you know, Federal Hill with created in what was was Revitalize Fells Point Baltimore down Holland Avenue to my in hot shorts to my waitress. And I would not do that now and not just because I'm too old, but in any sad, it made me sad to see what had happened in Baltimore. And so, you know, when you and I became friends, I was, I was grateful because it just felt like, I mean, on the best things about our friendship is that we laugh, we laughed our butts off, we talk about everything. We, we have such a great open relationship. And then when we need one another, we are really there for one another.

20:33 I mean you would help me through when my mother died.

20:36 You were really there for me.

20:40 But, you know, I was just reminded me my relationship with you just just reminds me of before all this this noise, you know, when people could just be. So I have no idea what your question was. I totally lost myself as much as I know you and I've heard this hearing it in this way really made me. Do. You know, if I could kind of right? You now, like, I fight for the underdog. That's what I like about her. You got to do, you know, you're too much for a lot of people. A lot of people can't handle it. They don't know what to do with this. But when I listened to your experience, I wanted to ask you, did you feel like an outsider most white people because you spoke. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't with the white people. You know what I mean?

21:40 Whose husband uses the n-word she talks about the Jews as if there one person, you know, I mean, I have, I have three sisters and I would assume. I'm pretty sure that at least two of them voted for Trump and maybe it may be the third. And, you know, they're the kind of two of them are old. Were Grace's, you know, In the Jungle, the zebras don't hang out with the Lions and I said cuz they're different species, you know, like went right over her head.

22:17 But I consider them over racists, you know, like they they don't even try to hide it. And I don't even know if they're aware, but I have another sister who I would too. I would say is what I would call a garden-variety Suburban racist. She lets herself off the hook because she says, you know, they're good ones and bad ones like to get out and there's a lowered awareness and I also think they're not intellectuals and dad has been my experience with white people because in the racism is on white people predominantly in my in my opinion.

22:58 Racism PetSmart. It's got to be and it's got to be in little tiny simple ideas. You know, who do I blame here? Who's to blame? And they live in that world and I try to live in a world where things are complex. They're complicated. You know, I got like how I think of you. I think of you as so many things, your relationship with your mother is so important to me your sense of humor. The fact that you are an intellectual, you know, the fact that dumb people in my life.

23:42 But, you know, it's and it was, it was battling me, racism is baffling to me, and it is baffling to me how I can have three sisters, who grew up in the same house as I did, who watch my father.

23:56 Pork cheek and gel. And also, what is important is I saw my father work not as a superior.

24:03 He worked as a peer. He worked, as he worked as a subordinate. And if you ask my sister, they would say, well, I know black people. I know Latina people like having a made from Costa Rica. Does not mean, you know, Latinos, you can fire that person.

24:22 You can you pay that person? That is a business, a transactional relationship. And I just I'm just grateful that I had these experiences. When I was young where I experienced immersion and I experience being the minority in a, my dad was part of the. He started the Baltimore neighborhood basketball league, which started Midnight basketball, and he would go and he would go into, like, Evenson Village. Dunbar Turner Station, you know, he's like really deep black historic neighborhoods. Open the basketball courts up at 11 on a Friday and Saturday night, the game started at midnight.

25:00 And they would appreciate you going to score and time need an arrest, and they would officiate until one in the morning and then go out and have a beer and the stands were packed. I mean, you know, black people came out, there was something to do in the neighborhood. It was free. It was people, they know, it was fun. There was food people brought. It was a normal experience and it was normal and I was a minority. So, I mean, maybe because I was the youngest and my sisters, didn't, they were too old to do that, but I, I cannot.

25:40 I cannot understand the disconnect that they have, and at this point with everything is that has happened, you know, everything that has happened with black people being killed on camera.

25:54 I have to say that it has to be a choice with them, and that's kind of where I'm at with, with race, with trans lives with, you know, non-binary lgbtq plus with feminism is, you are not making a choice.

26:11 I like I'm not even pussyfooting you making a choice and if you make a choice that that isn't isn't choice.

26:18 I don't I don't have time for it. Anymore. Being old.

26:29 I went to Atlanta for 13 years and in Atlanta black folks were doing it right? These kind of very hard lines with the socioeconomic lines, even inside of the black community. They were either there. They were much faster, the amount of educated black folk that were there. And and those of us that we're coming for that experience.

26:54 For Education, right? We're coming for the black education experience. Like everybody was coming because we all watched a different world. It is right. We were going to be nurtured here. We were going to learn here. That we were top-notch that we were the best in the brightest. You know, it was w. E. B, Dubois stuff. We were coming. But also largely the communities that reflected it, you know, there were communities that look like Bellaire and South and down there that were predominantly black. So I don't think I was aware of. How race is Baltimore was until I moved back home at 30. No that because my experience like I said, there were these pockets and my family always educated me. And it was like I moved in and out of two, three different world seamlessly, my white friends, my black friends, and I had those Columbia friends were that neighborhood was designed for

27:54 Arriving here again, and I will go to Hamden. Bingo there.

28:09 And it wasn't until I heard that and I would pick up and I would look around and I would look at these areas. I had dinner with a lovely friend last night and I hooked up with her like a week or so ago. She lives in Roeland Park died of it before and after I said, hi and she said, oh, like one or two me a story about

28:31 The community and they wanted to build a pool there. And, you know, the HOA, they're fighting over because I don't want the pool. You know how that is what the home and that the threat was, if you better pull, we're going to sell the house and I was like, what? You know, and I don't think that I was so aware of that because it's taking a lot of ways. I was protected. I was either in a very black community where we, I grew up in the 80s too. I'm about 10 years behind you but baby boomers, you know, parents coming out of civil, right? We were protected. We've did we protected the children? It was before cracking and even when it was like you be back in front of the house on the street. Like come you don't go alone. Somebody's going with you, right? That we were protected and taught them that I was close to Dale. If my cousin went to Kenwood High School, her whole neighborhood was white. She's a year ahead of me.

29:29 So, when I went over there with her, I felt way blacker than she did. You know what I mean? I also think that I had the benefit which I don't love it. When you talk about colorism, and I straighten my hair still. I think I was more palatable for the white girls because I would like her mother corrected me when I didn't speak properly. Not paying all this money for you to act crazy sit up straight. And so, you know, I could coach which and I would go. And I had another cousin, my cousin, Tina, who I call my sister cousin. She were wrong.

30:18 What's interesting about us. Sorry to interrupt you? I believe we got no time soon, but we had very similar to come in. When the streetlights don't talk. Like you don't say ain't you know, we don't cause here. I mean and I cuss like a sailor who fell out my, but everytime I try. I've never have to work again, but we had similar you and I have similar values and I remember, I must have been maybe in third grade and we had a community pool like onion or the pool at the hot-button issue, you know, they drain that whole pool and dart in Dandridge stuck her toe, right, you know.

30:56 We had a community pool and we barely scrape by to be able to join it every year. And there was a black family and someone called the police, and they were escorted out. And, I mean, you could have heard a pin drop. It was a mother and two boys. And my parents were, my parents were volunteers. They did a lot of stuff, but they were not on like the Community Association. The one of the governing. The people they got on it. They picked up the phone. They wrote a letter. They said these covenants need to change. This is inappropriate. It's the seventies. So I had that example of

31:35 What is going on here? Like, why would they make them? Leave the pool? And then I heard my parents on the phone, you know, saying, you know, whatever is happening with the coven is it needs to change and we are signing the petition to change it and I thought oh, okay. So, you know poor races Baltimore, you know, about the two different Baltimore's, the butterfly effect, the way they know all of that until I was in my thirties, you know, late thirties, no less. But yet I was still a product of that separation. But because of who, my mother was and because I'm also, my family came from the south, Grandpa bricklayer, a class, masonry at Bethlehem Steel, and they each generation should you be

32:35 Are the next kind of stuff and you're right. We're friends because we have similar values. Always been the commonality. And in this culture, people forget that, you know, we're part of a community where we really, we have, we have something that were working towards and our lives that unites us, you know, it's very interesting with all these classifications, all these different world that people want up, pigeonhole. Millennials are baby boomers are Generation X and what happens if a baby boomer and a person that's a millennial or going to relate. It's the same things going on in their life at the same age as usual. It will. But if you have a new baby and somebody has a grandbaby that hold the generational Gap and divide will change because you're welcoming new life into the world and you're excited about that. And you know, you know,

33:35 Mother went to school to the 4th grade. She was illiterate and my mother's father was a firefighter, not a captain that he was a firefighter and they were German, and he used to go to the Christmas tree lot and buy the cheapest tree. There was take it home and cut off all the branches that were in the wrong place. Drill holes in the trunk and replace those branches. My mother said, we were poor. We had the most perfect Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

34:05 But because she was poor in a poor as a minority as well, you know, economic ties in poverty weaponizing, race weaponizing, gender identity, all of that. So my mother could relate and my mother went to college. She was the first person in her family to graduate from college, since they emigrated to America. And the only reason she went to college was because she was a secretary at Towson University and she had women, she had been in it, Professor know, you take it for credit. Still look, check it out. So my mother's got a bunch of degree. She loved school and mother was in the Union. Memorial Hospital Hopkins system and took advantage of the school just like your mother day. So this is something else that you connect on the value of education and the value of using your resources and how you work around that.

35:05 We don't necessarily have the money, right? That's something else. That's embedded in this. I never made that connection that both of our mothers, you know, and my mother worked in Howard County Memorial Hospital and then she moved into Howard County and at a time where there were not a lot of blacks in decision-making positions. And she was fortunate enough to have two mentors that were above her that were black and they had, you know, laid the roof them and they talked to her about, you know, almost nothing that we said. Do you want to be? Do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy kind of thing, but also like picking and choosing your battles and how to matriculate and how to stick to the bottom line, how to make business case. The second she makes decisions because she's always wants to

36:05 Separating motion from Prospect. She was which as I got older, I found that challenge and cuz I'm like a little emotional creature all the time. You know, I saw other way, we relate, we fall out but I do want to ask you. Are you an anomaly in your family? Like what is your extended black family? Think of all this white immersion that you went through with a surprise when you, when your mom made that move, is it if I was living with my cousins lived in Rockville and it you going to come with us, you wouldn't ever done that because the school systems would have been an education that she approved of that. I was going to get. So no she wasn't, you know.

36:51 You know, I like what I had. You know, I like, what I had, I made some amazing friends. I met some amazing people. I learned how to have fun. Wherever I am. I learn how to not focus on a small stuff. You know, they wasn't playing biggie at my school dances, but that was okay cuz I could listen to you in the car with my other right now, to learn how to do that. Corny ass white chicken dance, right? I really do it. That's why chicken dad's got to do it. Look what happened. Now, you're at the work function.

37:25 And they doing it. And, you know, it.

37:29 Rate. That was the kind of stuff that aided me, right? I think some of my family has had a black or experience and some not so much. What I mean, particularly my cousin, I'm close to Tina. She grew up in Rockville, have her immersion experience is until later in her life, right? Her prom pictures with Lil white boy.

37:53 My cousin, her brother went into the military there in Spokane. Washington, wife is Hawaiian, their children are biracial. They've had a completely different experience. They don't come, they don't know. Baltimore. Do you guys talk about it? Not really?

38:11 It's it's almost impossible for me to talk about my siblings and I can talk about it. But my phone just like, let's just do the work and it's just, let's just have fun. You know, I mean, he loved his life, but my mother. My mother was more intellectual, but I'm so grateful that you were willing to talk about this for you. Describing your experience in this way. All the movie.

38:52 There you go. Yeah, I would have rather. I will say that. I would have rather had a different childhood experience. The School for the Arts was just opening up and I was too late. I was too late to go. I would have had to go in and go in as a senior and my parents weren't going to do it, but had I been able to get into the city earlier.

39:13 I think I would have been less angry about the issues because when I look back on it, it it makes me mad. And, you know, my parents moved us there because they had too many kids, you know, maybe they wanted a good school system and you know, they just picked the house they could afford and but you know, it was white, you know, that was that was probably a choice as well. But yeah, I can't change the past, but I can try to just continue to embrace and grow in the future and you're such an important part of my life. I love you, too. Telling you this time, you know, my experience by Lorde with racism is very matter-of-fact, but that's because I'm black. I'm white as you don't go over there. You don't do that. You know what I mean? We can say these things cuz you're one of us.

40:13 Right person wrong assumptions. So there are yeah, but you know, hopefully hopefully my my my real hope is that someone will hear this will open their heart, open their mind and make them help them to look and say, what am I doing with my life? And what I had because a lot of times people had experiences that they don't know they've had because they're not, they haven't explored them. So, you know, I do hope that this third wave of civil and human rights.

40:47 Exchange. But

40:49 You know, I agree what I hope people can just love each other. Like we do and get dogs.

40:58 Is it time to bring the dogs inside. My dog right here? Come here, buddy.

41:11 Look at Uncle miles on somebody's outside now and you're not paying attention. You hate him.