Fen Kennedy and Sabrina Reynolds

Recorded June 25, 2021 Archived June 23, 2021 47:53 minutes
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One Small Step conversation partners, Dr. Fen Kennedy (32) and Sabrina Reynolds (49), discuss their relationship to the American South, how educational models influence politics, and the ways that they've become happier over the years.

Subject Log / Time Code

FK discusses how they came to dance.
SR discusses her relationship to the American South.
FK discusses how “geekiness” influences their politics.
SR talks about learning from every person she meets.
FK and SR discuss the American South. FK mentions that they made it their work to go where the extremes are.
FK discusses Venn diagrams and political spectrums.
FK and SR discuss about micro-schools and education model. FK asks what some of SR's biggest successes as a teacher have been.
FK discusses the positive effects of moving to the South and transitioning.


  • Fen Kennedy
  • Sabrina Reynolds

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00:01 Alright, hi. I am. Don't offend Kennedy. Everybody calls me. Spend, I take, they them pronouns. I am 32 years old. Today's date is Friday, June 25th, 2021, and I add in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Today. I am talking to Sabrina who is my OSF conversation partner.

00:27 I just go ahead and go. Okay. My name is Sabrina Reynolds. I am 49 years old. Today's date is June 25th. 2021. I am in Salt Lake City Utah. Well, actually South Jordan Utah suburb of Salt Lake and I am here with sin and she's my conversation, partner with the SS conversation at that up with these things.

00:57 Thank you. Sorry, I got so nervous cuz I lost my place in there eating my apologies.

01:07 That's all right.

01:10 Yeah.

01:14 Sabrina, why did you want to do this interview today?

01:18 Because there's so much turmoil in the world and I think people have lost sight of who we are as humans and their everyone focuses on our differences and they totally forget that we have so much in common that we're all connected. And I just always look for opportunities to talk to other people and get to know them and get to know other points of view and where they come from. And since I'm not easily offended and I'm really open-minded about everything that I come across. I thought this was the coolest thing I've ever found and I really wanted to do it. So here I am. How about yourself? What brought you here?

01:57 There are actually two reasons that is not one of my nearest and dearest friend has always dreamt of doing a project like that of sitting down people with very different viewpoints and get him to talk to each other. I feel when I saw it. I was like, oh my goodness, in my life to be Alphas, non-binary, analysis, transgender, and to these are a present and a teacher and people know that and I get a lot of curiosity and a lot of hate. Yeah, but being out in the world about those things, and so when I saw this project has both, like, this is I'm very good at talking to people that I openly and listening and speaking very kindly and gently about things while we may have differences of opinion. I know that's one of my skills up, but also I just I was also terrified because I know that

02:57 If you sign up for the thing and you say someone with political differences is going to talk to you, like your it was terrifying, like, what I might be walking into, what kind of treatments. I might be like, putting myself up for. So there's a mix of those. Like, this could be really good at 8, really terrible. I was like, so nervous. This morning. I had butterflies. I thought. Oh my gosh, woohoo.

03:41 Okay, you want to go ahead Sabrina? Hello. My name is dr. Finn Kennedy. But everyone calls me. I'm 32. I moved to the US from England in 2014. And I take, they them pronouns. I am a professor of dance that you a, where I teach a unique history choreography. And Siri. I love to travel around the US organizing teaching at gender-friendly partner, dance events. I'm a vegetarian and an animal lover. And a geek has not been kind and so I try as hard as I can to share kindness and Community with others. That is so sweet. I love we're both teachers. So I love that. I actually graduated from the University of Alabama, but I went to the Birmingham campus, not the Tuscaloosa campus, which the Tuscaloosa campus is beautiful. I guess my only question for you would be what Drew you to.

04:39 Dance and brought you into like the education role of it. So I actually would put him down to classes when I was 2 years old. I was a very wobbly hypermobile baby and I fell down a lot and so danced with a way to teach me that she was swimming before I could walk because I like just because of my muscle development. So I found a lot of with the reason I was a carpenter and then as I did more and more daunting, and I, I love school. I love being a nerd. And I had a lot of opportunity in front of me when I say about higher education and I realized it's really the thing I wanted to do and I have been teaching, I was holding it off like a 15 with little baby ballet classes. As you do, I told myself University lecture when I was 23,

05:39 Even going through undergrad. I knew I was going back to grad school. And as soon as I touch University education, I do like, this is where I want to be. Everyone wants to be hit. Everyone wants to talk about these exciting things that I'm passionate about, and that was what drew me into the dump in education.

05:57 So I'm going to read your bio now. I'm full. He was wait at 9:49. I'm 49 years old. And originally from Montgomery, Alabama to I've lived in Utah for 20 years and I still feel like stopping at in many ways. I've never had children of my own but I have four amazing fat kid. I started teaching in 2002 and in September of 2019 UK. She is extremely important to me. And I feel like teaching is my calling but I don't support traditional model. I am fearful of what the future holds for I use so much. I want to talk to you about that. I'm going to start with a simple question, which is, I've been in Alabama that you use and it sounds like you had a lot of experience in the state and I've been surprised how much I love with out-of-state, but what do you love and miss most about Alabama?

06:50 I just met some people but you're in Utah, everyone's so Senate standoffish and they don't say hello to you on the sidewalk. They just lies down, walk their way, you know, and then is there a spike, the traditions and the South like the barbecues and the football season and all these cool little things that you be just don't have the same Traditions, here, the growing up there. I really just miss, I just miss the warm. So I suppose that I'm not talking about the humidity I can do without that some days, but the warmth of the people now also there's a lot of close-mindedness. And so I always found it challenging to like to approach people and then try to get them to see something from another perspective. And I have been so amazed at how my friends growing up has like completely changed their perspectives, on certain things and have become so much more open and I do, I don't know. I just love the fact that people

07:48 They well, they might dig in their heels at if you can give them a good argument and show them something, then they're still open to things and I like that about the south end. A lot of people might disagree with me, but that was always my experience growing up. Wonderful. Thank you.

08:10 Oh, you're good.

08:12 I honestly thought Ben was going to ask me. What is a microscope? I want to talk about them. But I feel like let's get to know each other a bit better and I'm sure you did too.

08:37 Oh, you're just laying right in right jumping, right in Courtney.

08:44 Could you briefly describe in your own words, your personal political values? Sabrina in my own? Words. I believe in the Live and Let Live philosophy. I, if I had to label myself, I guess I would be a Libertarian that were my political label. I am not toughest thing, cuz I'm trying to like think of me myself personally. And not just use like tag words or you know, like things like that. I don't know. I just believe that every human being has the right to live their true life and find their true happiness and no other person has the right to tell them that they can't. And that goes into monetary issues to like, I don't believe one person has a right to tell another person how they should be able to spend their money or

09:44 Their money should go. And and so Olive. Everything that sums up. How I feel politically all is about personal like Independence and happiness, that whole Pursuit of Happiness thing. I taken, seriously, as long as there are two or three or four consenting adults. I don't care how many people like, I really don't have judgement on any of that. As long as you're a consenting adults, and you're moving into something with us in a way that makes you happy. I think everyone should just mind their business. So,

10:15 I just got it. That's how I am politically. I think the government should mind its business. I think people should mind their business and I think it's. So if enough people focused on themselves and their happiness, instead of looking at someone else and what they're trying to do be happy. I think the world would be a nicer place, just in general. That's kind of where I come from. How about yourself. So, hard. When I'm telling you, this is tough. When you met me, if you plan to head, I'm proud of you cuz I did not want you described as your personal political values.

10:48 I'm reaping the advantages of going second cuz I'm just going to bounce out with what you said and the really about like

10:59 Dudley kindness, and I agree with you that we have to maximize happiness, but I believe that if we not maximizing happiness to everyone, then we have to prioritize happiness. We have to prioritize happiness to everyone over happiness, were single person and if we think about the capacity for happiness, and the access to resources, the access to, like all the great things that are out there in a society, we have to share them. And that means that have to be some kind of active process and looking at the wall and sting, like, where is the sharing not working? Where is Lake Resort is all in a pool and other people are not able to get that done. And so my other my other of political value for how I'm going to get that place. If I am apologetic Lee a geek and some people call me like a dyed-in-the-wool liberal, and a

11:59 Call lap desk. I was about to fall right left. It makes no sense. But I want like I believe in looking at data and policy and evidence from like studies and all the countries and thinking like what actually is shown to be beneficial in these circumstances. Like what can we actually need to put in place in order to share out the happiness and the equity as long as many people as badly as possible? And that put me on the left of the loss of argument, but I think I'm motivated first by like a really active interest and an open-minded to like what what even if the solution seemed kind of out of the box and go again, kind of what seems to be the given logic in the situation.

12:54 Okay.

13:10 Sabrina, do you want me to go fast this time? So it's whatever.

13:20 She's going to pull my headphones off. That's not a smart thing.

13:25 I'll just have the cute one. So, who's been your most influential person in your life and would have a key to miss, then?

13:36 Hard question is a hard one.

13:44 But it has to actually come down to two people and that both my dog. Peaches knew. Both my dog peaches. When I was in university and

13:57 Mom would want to scold you make like a mama qila jumpy at Grady or Gigi like in battle a ship with all the people and bad relationship with myself. Like there was a lot going on and I and it was a really rough time and I was at in this program and I was dancing and I loved it! My safe place, which is probably another reason why I'm a teacher and they told me,

14:34 South, what really? I remember, one of the most influential conversations of my life was being sat down and told look you let other people all of these rules for you. When are you going to make rules for yourself? When are you going to hold your own standards and say, no to the things that you don't want?

14:56 All right, and that point I've been with a lot of rules that you learn to follow habitually and they point that like maybe somebody is a bit too. Well, if you been following you, if you question those you would be a that's a dumpster. And I extrapolated that into so many areas and just so like curiosity and not being afraid to challenge something, just because it's a traditional just because it's always been true. All right, that's awesome. What about you? Oh my gosh. I don't know if I have one single person. It's so tough to like, narrow it down.

15:42 Mama most influential person in my life. Gosh.

15:50 I want to say my dad but at the same time, he wasn't the most influential. He just had a great influence in my life because he was such a caring human being and he taught me empathy and he it was the kind of guy. I like we had a neighbor down the street who had a house fire and my dad drove up and said, are you guys, okay. And I said, we lost almost everything and he just opened his wallet and took all the money he had in his wallet and handed it to them in the right there, on the street. And he said, please go and whatever you can do with this, just take it and it was like 400 bucks. Like, it wasn't just $20. And I was just like Dad, you just went and cashed that check? He said they need it more than we do. He taught me, those kinds of things but I've had like friends who taught me a lot of marrying, my husband while he's not the most influential person in my marriage. His family are have taught me so much of his, his breath.

16:50 Live in San Francisco, with his partner and they just got married. So, gay marriage is a big thing. I support like all of those sorts of things. They just got married a couple of years ago. And the funny thing was, as we kept saying, hey, it's already illegal. When are you guys going to tie the knot? And they're like, hey to Russia's and animals, like you're not dealing with anymore, but then his sister's a polygamist in Montana. And so she was a very like out, there will be no different non-traditional lifestyle. And so, I'm just having all these new sort of intricate moving Parts come into my life, being a stepmom, and then having all of these different families with different that don't look like a traditional family. Do you know what I mean? I'm so I don't have a specific person. That's most influential my life. Every person. I need, I try to learn from and so I really can't answer that question. And be honest, I would say maybe say

17:50 Myself, I had to learn and grow so much and I try so hard to be a good influence on myself and others. And so, yeah, I say I just I take wife and as it comes at me just and I'm happy about it. I never liked it. Nothing. Nothing really bothers me too much. Okay, just people being mean, I don't like bullies and I don't like people being mean, so that's why I have problems in life. So you say that. And so I was intrigued by the flock line of your bio and it says, I am fearful of what the future holds that you take life. As it comes. The dumbing-down of education has been, it's been a tremendous movement, just watering down history. A lot of people call it whitewashing.

18:50 I just think that we've, we've gone for trying to shove as much information into a year as possible without stopping to critically. Look at the components. Like, why did this happen who put this into place? What could the outcome have been had someone made a different decision? They don't do that anymore. And I mean, the reason I left an open, my own school was because critical thinking was out the window and you can't have a conversation, like, you and I are having right now without critical thinking and using a perspective and being able to take yourself outside of your comfort zone and have a talk. So that's what what makes me so scared. And I have students from age six to sixteen in my school and I was this, my second year running around and I was really taken aback by the fact that my older students did not know how to problem-solve through an argument like a conversation and so,

19:50 Just teaching them those mechanisms of questioning instead of assumptions. Like if you assume that the person you're talking to doesn't like you then you automatically have created a person that doesn't like you. So if you ask do you like me?

20:08 Instead of being like, you don't like me, like all these things are just important and our students aren't getting it and if it makes me fearful, so while we have all these open-minded ideas and all these big things, a lot of it. I feel as empty because the conversations aren't there, so you can tell a kid except everybody for who they are. But if you don't teach them how to accept people for who they are, and why it's important to accept people for who they are, just beating them over the head with words is useless. You know, I'll do you understand. I'm going to own an assumption here. I read that sentence of yours and I went. Oh, no. Because when people tell me that they are full of the future that I do. They mean, the rise of lgbtq people. They need the rise of critical married. They need like a baby. All these things that very often come with a lot of threats to who I am and what I believe in,

21:08 Because I because I want hundred percent agree with you. I think that there's so many the pressure on days. Do I have to do so many things? And I agree with you that like the critical thinking is not usually bad. And one of the things I started doing the blessing because I was teaching over Zoom House of my cloth time with lecture and the other half was just discussion and I have a guided discussion around critical thinking and they had to find her and soul food. They had to talk about it and we didn't cover as much ground cuz they, but they learn so much more and they will. Now go out into the wild able to apply the skills to other Concepts that they come across exactly. And well, I am changing traditional education.

22:08 Mobile phone within like, it sounds like what we should be changing. A problem solve. It's all it's like if my computer breaks and I have a hammer. That's the only tool I have to work with Will what, what am I going to say? I just feel like we don't give them the tools to figure things out and we have such good heart. I mean, look at how far we've come as a as a society. I mean, even if we just look at like, I'm from Montgomery and we were at home in the civil rights movement. And if you look from the 1960s to 2021, there has been so much advancement in the way people think. Now the system may be has an advanced as much as the hearts of people but that's where we have to dig deep. If we have to make sure the system aligns with our hearts and end.

23:08 My husband is from Utah. He's never like he went to the South the first time with me. We just celebrated our 10-year wedding anniversary and he went there 11 years ago and he had no idea what he was going to see what was going to happen. You know, you was so scared and he said, people are so kind. I didn't realize I was so nervous for no reason and I'm thinking yeah, man, like we love each other. The problem. I don't think the problem is a mass of people. I think it's the one person because I would tell you that this house has been pretty friendly to me, but I can also tell you that weed in the six months of mice. Last six months of living hit. Someone tried to run me down with her car.

23:52 Yeah, so we do have, we have a lot of people down here and I get mad when people criticize the South because this house is very like, ethically devoted as well as in a lot of other senses, but there are extremes of both ends. And I think that's true at the whole country. So, what happened, or where you with a group of friends, like what, what happened in that situation?

24:22 Oh, what happened was? I was walking down the street with someone else. Who looked visibly, clear. We have to light. We won't tell across the light and I looked at his woman and she looked back and she went and I jumped and my friend got bumped up on it.

24:41 Oh my gosh, by swerve on them.

24:45 It's so and I I tell that story not too.

24:52 I think I tell it to say that just like as someone who is kind of a visible presence on the internet and Simpsons George, Floyd was mad at La Tia and made it part of my, what you go weather, extremes of opinion. And it and to see if I could talk to people and told him out and be kind and patient. I think it's like it's a good skill to have. But especially in the Lafayette, the violence of people's opinions and the things that they are willing to stay and do an advocate for is horrendous and I agree with you fix the system, but I don't know what to do about people who really are actually back.

25:38 Connected to cool tea. I honestly don't know if there is a solution for that because we we just there's too many like, you can't. You can't affect everyone saying you can please some of the people, some of the time but you can't please all the people all the time. And I always think there's going to be those those people in the back who are just either, they're hurt. And so they hurt people because they have their own like issues, or they honestly have never developed sympathy, which is one of the last things that we develop as human beings. And so they can't empathize with another human beings plight and they may just be hopeless. I mean, I hate to say that. I know I'm an optimist. I believe in these things, but I also believe that you can't fix someone who doesn't want to be fixed. And you can't help someone who doesn't want to be out and there's going to be that that segment of our population to matter what. But what I think we should do is always rally together. So like if if there's more people who

26:38 Who want to fix things and there's more people who care. And there's more empathy than there, is the apathy or the hate. I think we can just do so that it's almost like, I'm not saying cancel them cuz that's I don't believe in that. But is almost as though they lose the power of their voice and their actions just look foolish. So you do know I'm saying, as long as you're safe, though, I don't like your safety. Was a physical safety, safety. To me, is one of our Paramount Liberties. You have the right to be safe and to feel physically. And so that bothered me that, like, make me have butterflies when you told me that, I don't think that that's a great thing is, I think that that's something that would have to be addressed by the authorities. I don't know if you got her tag number, or if anything came of that, I had the tag number and I put it to the person who was with me, like, should we talk to the police and

27:38 The first is that police on known for being empathic. People put the risk to contact the authorities and then, secondly, as a, as a new like out, transgender Professor, I'm always like, I live my entire professional life, but knowing that someone raising, a complaint could be a huge media thing. And I'm just like, I don't want to be that visible. Gal. I don't, I don't want to call Jeff, like, I

28:21 NN descendants come to the thing that you told me about, like, we I

28:27 Physically, I almost feel with you that some people are just not going to change. But then, how do you protect people from the right? That's the key right there with bullying and that's something that I hate. And I feel like this is just adult version of bullying. And I, I look at children who are bullies and I see these aspects of them in adults that I see bullying, you know, in the online thing drives me bananas, because people get there and they're Anonymous, and they can say what they want and they're all tough. You know, they probably wouldn't say a majority of the things to a person's face, if they feel comfortable staying behind the screen of their computer, right? And so Integrity is something that's important and we are losing integrity and those bullies. I don't know what it is. I have thought about this, you know, we don't have bleeding in my school because we use problem-solving techniques. So if I hear a kid

29:27 Say something nasty to another guy. Just had to do it yesterday with a 6 year old and 8 year old, the six-year-old was bullying. The eight-year-old about believing in God. Can you believe it at six year old? Bullied, and do it? Seriously? She's so passionate. And so I had to step in and teach them how to resolve this conflict. And I had to use, you know, logic with a six-year-old, so that she could understand that what she was doing. Didn't even follow her on own religious beliefs cycle, right? So she was treating a person opposite of the way. She was taught and she had to process that at 6 years old, but we don't do that, you know, generally a teacher will just say go to the office.

30:09 Yeah, you can't talk to someone, like, you go to the office and they're not hot, why you can't talk to someone again. Just come all the way back down to my fear for the future and the future of our youth. They are being taught how to rationally work through a conflict and understand when they're hurting someone else and why it's not okay to do that. Now, I will say that I think that you say shift going on around that and it interesting and parenting like this shift and I like how to discipline children because not so long ago, like that was a generation tonight. Well, that's what was the generation of beat your purse and smack your kid and now and then and now with finding it that doesn't really look either and I and like how to end I work for a couple of summers in a children's center in Columbus, Ohio.

31:08 Which is why I don't make you happy and they had a system that prioritized. What is your message? What do you say when your body? I can see your body is telling me that you lost that what you said about. Even if I using that system with children for like two and three years old and teaching them to be late. Like what is going on for them? Like and I do think like an especially when we think about things, like mental health like for a long generation after generation told that either, he would work with the society or you have to grin and Barrett. And now we're getting to a generation of people could take you with him about, going to go help and then he need and they have an expectation. That those needs will be seen and recognized, and to the Passover, their society. I have some hope that like, in certain areas that kind of self-awareness and discussion is

32:08 Swelling, but I think giving its face and giving and giving it a card payment and accused of bringing a lot of people together around that, rather than rather than saying. Oh, this is too much for children's been on those enough, shut the conversation down, wait till they're older, but let's talk about finding a age appropriate way to talk to Children about things that are important, and let's set them up for success in the world. Rather than sucking them up to take to get to AAA in a while. And they don't know how to talk to someone who disagrees with them right now. And I tried to talk to people about my ideas about things and most of the time, I just get anger thrown right back at me, and I'm pretty sure. I like, I, I don't know if you can tell, but I'm pretty like chilling with this sort of thing because I think ideas are not dangerous. Actions can be dangerous.

33:08 So, if it's a dangerous idea that you put into action, yes, but an idea in itself is not and it's not dangerous and so we should be able to talk about ideas. We should be able to talk about like societal theories in different sorts of things. And we should be able to be open to understanding flaws. And then if it's a flaw, like I've pointed out flaws in certain things and people generally tell me that I am I don't know. I've been called everything. I've been called like a neoconservative. I've been called an Uber liberal. I've been called a bleeding heart. I've been called, you know, a Trumper. I don't I didn't vote for Trump. So I don't even know how I feel like I've been called all these names because I look at, I look out flaws in logic. And if I find a flaw and I pointed out, I am not doing it to attack the person. I'm just

33:59 Addressing a flaw, right? So that's the thing that I I struggle with is to keep my composure and not lose my temper and fall into that same yucky thing. You know that other people are doing. I don't ever want to be a part of that. It's, it's yet. And I think one of the things that I've been thinking about recently, it's like we have to be able to get people. We have, to be able to get people around the table to talk about things, but that was, the have to be grounded to coming together around that table. And at the moment, most people consciously, I want the ground rules and even like, very, very basic definitions of what and who has the right to be cold. What like if we can't agree on those things then how how can we even start have a conversation about? Like the floor to logic and the deeper issues and the complexities of what's going on?

34:57 And the problem is as soon as you like as soon as you set ground rules for a conversation and someone is going to say, well, that's defensive to me, that violates my, despite of mine and you, he wind up having to have people to make a decision of, actually business, a stash of Rights, and permissions that we going to head to around fifty and that's going to make some people walk away. And I say, I'm okay with that. But only if it my rights and permissions be really what it is right now. It's really, really difficult and this has been going on for a very, very long time. Like the idea that people

35:45 People from all systems on to Venn diagram anymore. In some cases. They said they just to suckle, that is exactly what we aren't, like the middle of the middle ground. We're losing it, right. Don't you feel so? Yeah. Yes, that's good. I like them. And I have a visual person. So I like stuff like that. Yeah. I am actually the opposite of a visual person and maybe this will give us a break. I have a Fantasia, which means I make no mental images whatsoever. So I have had to, I had to learn to empathize with my students, and I need the visual, cuz I used to just teach other than sit with you at, man. Why did you need to say? I am a lucid dreamer? And so I can actually like create entire landscapes in my mind when I, when I'm on the board,

36:45 Sleep and wake so I love that. Yeah, I got my own world. I'm telling you fin. I can live in my own world when I want.

36:55 Yeah, but I think some yeah, it is fascinating. But also I think that

37:03 Yeah, they sent that I came up with this pain diagram image as we were talkin and I just was really going to stick with me. Like what we do know, how can we talk to each other? But let's talk about Microsoft. And I I want you to I want you to start with like a question. Like what is that one of your biggest successes at each other like water? Like some of the things that you almost out of without sister huge Lake list, laundry list of successes at this point, but I had a student, inter my classroom at the beginning of the school year, the 2020-21 school year. And she couldn't read and within three and a half months. She was reading paragraphs to her mom, from a book from a book that she was super interesting about orchids for goodness sakes.

38:03 Girl, girl has a passion for flowers. And so her mom off-course teared up, and she was just very you like. Oh my gosh. I cannot believe the Francis is reading to me right now, and it's like, she's just don't I walk with thee.

38:18 Okay, and so she couldn't read and we've had a reading in four and a half months 3 and 1/2 1 1/2 months. That's kind of a blur now. But anyway within a quarter of our, you know, when it was in the first quarter of the school year, so that's something that I think is super important. And honestly, we just got out of her way. So she was a kind of student would get overwhelmed with all the words and get overwhelmed with all the rules and get overwhelmed with people telling her how she had to do it. And so once I figured that out, I just got out of her way and I just put her on a reading program and she just sat down on her computer and she learn to read and she controlled it like she control the speed. She could go forward back. She could skip things. You could do whatever she wanted and now she's reading amazingly. Well now we just need to get her to write an orange tip is to Baby Steps. Right. One thing at a time once the winter time and we

39:17 You really good behavior modification for students. So one of my students has a TD and she's just

39:27 You know, like she got all. I got to have my hands on everything and so Behavior modifications and other things that I can do because I only have 16 students in my school total. I can actually pair up the older students with younger students and they have more patience than an adult and so I can sit them down and tell them what we're looking for. So here's the behavior were looking forward looking for her for her grabbing for things. So they can gently say, hey, don't grab for things like control your hands and then she learns for my older student that she can look up to. So, small class size, multiple grades, like cross crossing the age barrier is what a microscope all about.

40:10 What does interesting like I'm all for these interventions, my biggest concern with micro school is that it takes resources away from more traditional education and like if everything becomes a micro School great, I am off at small class sizes, an individual, and I worry about how to progress to a place where every child can get that. Honestly, the public school system could do this tomorrow. There's nothing stopping them. They just are stuck in the it's the Austrian education model that was implemented in the early eighteen hundreds are in the United States, sew-in over almost two hundred years. We haven't changed our education system in our country, and it's based on I'm creating good soldiers, obedient soldiers and we don't need obedient soldiers anymore. We need.

41:10 Kind-hearted and pathetic individual. So the public school system could actually just shift its model and do Blended classes within their small classrooms. And so instead of a teacher having 37 year olds, the teacher could have 25 kids that range in age from first to sixth grade, and they just one of them in the classroom and they can blind them to personality. They can blind them to levels of success. So, let's say you have a 6 year old, who can read it, a 5th? Grade level. I was reading at a 7th grade level in second grade. So you have those more advanced students, but you're holding them back. So if you put Advanced students with maybe older students are less Advanced, they're on the same learning level, but they're in different age groups. And so you can kind of work with the maturity and all the different things. I mean, it's possible, trust me. I've been writing blogs about the stuff for years. So I would love off work cuz I blocked also and I'd love to learn more about the Sober House.

42:10 What plug? So you can be a little bit more about it. So then we have 10 minutes left and then have a? On my list is like

42:19 What question question. What question do you wish that? I would ask you and what question you wish that you could ask me but feel like you can't.

42:31 I think I could ask you pretty much anything. You seem pretty like lay back and chill. I guess the one of those one things that I I, I wanted to to ask you, and I want to phrase this in a way. It doesn't make you feel uncomfortable. But do you still happier that these transitioned? Is it something that you feel? Cuz I'm all about my happiness scale, right? I believe people should do things that bring them more joy, and more happiness. And it was that something about you more happiness, to be able to transition and make this move.

43:00 Like world. Like I can't even tell you how much more happier and the moment and a lot of transgender people experience pissed off too. Cuz I had gems are funny surgery and also said you had a lot of people experience a crash and it's like the same way you finish a big project and then you go and then you kind of get stuck in that often. And you crashed and I haven't crashed was like that was a minute of old goodness of make the right choice and then kind of a week later. I was skipping down the street singing Disney songs, because I was. So, in terms of happiness. I always hope that when, when someone makes a choice cuz it's a life-changing plus, you know, this and you know, how big it is that I hope that the positive outweighs any kind of negative influence that hits you from outside, you know, people who are ignorant and don't understand.

44:00 So I just wanted to pass that on to you that. I just want you to have all the happiness and I hope that your happiness outweighs any kind of pitfalls or speed bumps that come along in your life. I will hope that for everyone. Yes.

44:17 And what was the question that you wished? I don't, I don't really know. I don't have anything. I think. I just basically told you everything cuz I talk to you much.

44:34 That's pretty much it.

44:41 I'm steps. I have supposed to question. Yeah, I do. I have two cats and they caught that each other. One one is to my partner and I moved in together and bolt one. Incredibly spoiled princess cat with you. My 7 year old is kenis of helping me get the plan. She knows no, she knows Day by Fuel. Before she comes up like she's she's she's back kind of cat. And my cat is 19 years old. She came to, she will feel he was just kind of a dog and cat girl. So she won't heal any food that she can get a little clothes on and she will yell about it. So I want time you left a bag of potatoes out in the side and she has potatoes that she put on her clothes. So just

45:41 Boxers, big dogs, they're goofy. They were ringing the bell to go out on the porch and I was like

45:51 I love the dog, but you can't have one can't have an inside cat. What made you leave, Alabama?

46:04 Yeah, thank you to to relocate to.

46:12 I got off at 2:10, you track jog out of my PhD and I Alabama. I almost didn't apply for it. Because Alabama, why would I fell in love with it? Like Hook Line & Sinker the program, the job Tuscaloosa. Smells like green and perfume all the time. I drive for 15 minutes and I'm on a beautiful hiking trail and they were by Far and Away the most accepting of like, yeah, but here I am now. It's been a pleasure talking with you and congratulations on your PhD and your position and all of the things that you have going in your life. I quit with my Master's Degree, man. I was like, no way I do not want you for PhD.

47:11 Well, congratulations on your mind, her school. I hope it continues to be s-so. Sorry. I worked in London schools. I had a lot of 8 year old go to buy. It's a real problem. Huge difference right waterfall effect. I hope so. I will keep everything tomorrow.

47:46 Mewtwo.

47:48 Thanks, Courtney. Thank you.