Flavio Cisneros and Claire Cote

[00:03] CLAIRE COTE: My name is Claire Cote I'm 41 years old, and today's date is March 25, 2023. We're at the Taos library in Taos, New Mexico, and I'm here in conversation with Flavio Cisneros, who's my good friend and community collaborator.

[00:24] FLAVIO CISNEROS: IO soy. And I am Flavio Cisneros. I am from Cuesta, born and raised there, and I will be 82 years young come August. That's good. Yep.

[00:42] CLAIRE COTE: So you were mentioning just a minute ago about that you've known me for a long time, and I was interested in that because I feel like my memory of you is shorter than your memory of me and my family. So I kind of was wondering about that, you know, your kind of, when you, when you met me, and, you know, your connection to my, to my family, because I know that you have a connection to my dad through your teaching history. So if you were to say, like, when do you remember meeting me? And how would you kind of describe our friendship that we've kind of nurtured in our different community activities?

[01:34] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Where was she? Bossy, actually, I'm kidding, actually, I met your dad, Tim. He was the music instructor at, at the middle school in Cuesta, and that's where I really got to know him. But Tim was very private, and he never said, I knew his wife, your mother, but I never knew that he had children. So when I met you, it was a real surprise to know that there was this Claire, who was Tim's daughter, that she had gone to school in New Hampshire, I think, or somewhere back east, and I was really impressed with your credentials, if you want to call him that. It was really, really a good feeling that I could identify some of my dreams, if you will, or some of my, of what I aspire to for the community of questines. So it was a real refreshing, I really enjoyed meeting you, and to this day, I cherish that friendship that I think we developed. It's beautiful.

[02:51] CLAIRE COTE: Me too.

[02:52] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I think I love you guys.

[02:54] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah, I love you too, Flavio. And how would you describe very briefly yourself, like, you started to say that, that you're from Cuesta, born and raised, but I'll ask other questions. But if you were to just very briefly say a couple of things, that's.

[03:14] FLAVIO CISNEROS: A tall order, because, you know, I could go on forever about myself.

[03:19] CLAIRE COTE: That's okay, too.

[03:22] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I was born and raised there. I went to school there and graduated from there, and went on into working in Red river for a spell. I always wanted something more than just being in Cuesta. I wanted something more. I had thought of joining the Peace Corps, but that, after a while, didn't really. Wasn't really all that appealing. So come Vietnam, and I had an order from the government to appear in Taos for induction. And I said, I'm not going. I'm not going. So I called. I called the air Force recruiter and I said, I really would like to talk to you. So he came for me, and he drove to the house. And so my mom wasn't there. She always handled my money. So I said, mom, let me have $5. I'm going into Taos with this gentleman here, and I'll be home tonight. I didn't come home until six months later. That was the start of my world travels, if you will. Anyone know? I went into the military, spent four years there, came back with the idea that I went to go to school. I wanted to stay in the military, but my mom and I had a conversation with my dad about October of 1967, something like that. And I expressed my wish that I wanted to stay in the military. And my mom's word was, who's going to take care of us? And that was a clincher, if you will, of sorts. So, anyway, so I said, okay, I'll come home, but you better understand that I'm going to school. And so I chose Silver City, far away from Cuesta, where I wouldn't be at my parents home, you know, doorstep every weekend. So I went to school in Silver City, graduated from there, and came home and taught school. I was hired in Taos over the phone.

[05:44] CLAIRE COTE: Oh, were you?

[05:45] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yes. Would you believe I had accepted a job in Michigan? And I said, oh, that doesn't sound too appealing. And then finally I settled for a job in Deming, and that, too, didn't. But I got a call from the superintendent one day from Taos, and he asked me a few questions, and he said, so how does it feel to be working for Taos? That was the extent of my interview. He hired me over the phone, and I never filled out any paperwork, anything. Anyway, I came to tell someone, but I did attend the University of Maryland while I was in Europe and learned how to speak German.

[06:24] CLAIRE COTE: Mm hmm.

[06:25] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so I retired from the schools.

[06:31] CLAIRE COTE: And how long did you teach, Flavio?

[06:35] FLAVIO CISNEROS: 22 years. But I was telling Manuelita that I had the option to buy my military time. Four years. So I bought four years of military and put them into my state service retirement plan. And so I retired with 26 years. And now I've been retired longer than when I taught school. I've been retired. What is that, 30 some years? Yeah. And then in the process, I met you. So, no, it's been. It's been a good life. A good life, a good adventure. And I was able to see a lot of Europe while I was in Germany. And I came home, and I had a friend who worked for the state department of education. He got me a couple of scholarships. So I was able to go to Cornell for one summer, and I was able to go to. What is the name of that school up in upstate Pennsylvania. I was there for a summer also. Up in amish country. Yeah, it's Wilmington.

[07:52] CLAIRE COTE: Oh, okay.

[07:53] FLAVIO CISNEROS: In new Wilmington. That's where I went to school. Yeah. And went to school in Roswell and Unm. And got a master's out of Silver City, also.

[08:03] CLAIRE COTE: So, yeah, you've been to a lot of schools.

[08:07] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I enjoyed learning. I love learning, and I've tried to pass that on to my grandson, you know? So, anyways. Yeah.

[08:18] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah. What was your. You know, your experience being in Germany and perhaps other Europe travels? How do you feel like that changed your. Sounded like you were kind of wanting that broader perspective already. But how do you think that changed your perspective now, being back in your home community in Cuesta?

[08:45] FLAVIO CISNEROS: You know, that it really opened my eyes. Number one, my advent, my traveling in Europe, because I was able to see France and Austria and Belgium and Luxembourg, France. It really, you know, it really brought history to life for me. And. And then the fact that I was able to study German with the University of Maryland over there. And so in my duty section, I was assigned to work with the german nationals who could not speak English, so I became their translator. But in traveling over Europe, I saw the behavior of Americans. And when they said, for example, going into a cathedral, the cathedral of Venice or something like that, that women had to play the role of covering their head and covering their shoulders. And when they said, but I'm an american, that really was. That was an awful feeling that I had. And I said to myself, this is not the way you behave. This is not the way you behave. This is. You know, this is an awful, awful way of thinking that just because you're an American doesn't mean that the world bows to you. I don't like that kind of attitude. It still sickens me, you know, when people say, but I'm an American, and so I say, so what the hell does that mean? You know? It means that you should respect other people. Also, there's a quiet. There's a definition involved in that, you know, in that attitude that you respect other people as well. So, anyway, now, I I don't know if I've answered, you know, your question, but it really opened my eyes. Traveling in Europe really opened my eyes. I loved it.

[10:54] CLAIRE COTE: And you taught history, didn't you?

[10:56] FLAVIO CISNEROS: And I taught history. I taught. Yeah, yeah. I taught world history. I taught us history, and I taught government in the schools. The history was not so important for me as the government, the course in government, because unless you have seen those pictures before you that are in the textbook, they really aren't meaningless for me. They were not meaningless because I was able to touch them, you know, up front. I remember seeing a monument in Rome that had my name on it, you know, and I said, oh, my God, look at this. Touch it, feel it. It really, you know, it does something to you, you know? You know, you walk into the colosseum, for example, in Italy and other monuments, and you say, oh, my God. Oh, you know, this is some sight to behold, to see, to understand, you know, and to recognize what people did back then to create these beautiful monuments, you know, it's just. Yeah, but teaching it is another thing, because it really becomes meaningless for kids who don't know, who have not seen, not been able to experience some of the things that I did, but I was able to bring that experience into the classroom. So I think in some way, I was able to bring it to life.

[12:31] CLAIRE COTE: Mm hmm.

[12:32] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I loved it.

[12:33] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that definitely. Your love for history and the importance of, like, you know, government and community, I think, is part of the reason why we have a strong friendship in a way, you know, because some of the things that I'm interested in mesh so well with that, you know? And so you're ahead. I mean, that you, at 82 years young, you're one of the two only poll workers in Cuesta. You know, I think that's extraordinary, you know? And so even though you aren't teaching government now, you're doing it. That's clear that that's a really strong value to you.

[13:19] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I've tried to get involved as much as I. As much as I can, you know, with some aspects of government. Like, for example, I served 16 times on jury duty.

[13:35] CLAIRE COTE: Wow.

[13:36] FLAVIO CISNEROS: And finally, you know, I got to the point where I said, I've had it. I can't do it anymore. So two years ago, I went to the county clerk or to the people election office, and I said, you know what? I'm 80 years old already. I can't do this anymore. So anyway, so I did serve 16 times. I remember once in Colorado Springs. We moved to Colorado Springs for ten years in, you know, in the late, late nineties. And so I remember serving in a jury, and the judge's name was Theresa Cisneros. And I went to her and I said, you know, I cannot serve this time. I said, you know, because I'm raising a grandson at home. She said, tough shit. Find a sitter, you get your ass over here.

[14:31] CLAIRE COTE: And story.

[14:33] FLAVIO CISNEROS: That was her thing, to me, exact words.

[14:37] CLAIRE COTE: Wow.

[14:37] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah. Now, what could I do, right? It just so happened that I was nominated to be the jury foreman in that. I know, I know. I've done my time, and I have served on the election stuff since 1970.

[14:55] CLAIRE COTE: Wow.

[14:56] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah.

[14:56] CLAIRE COTE: That's amazing.

[14:58] FLAVIO CISNEROS: But you know what? It's an experience. It really is a beautiful experience for me. I was able to bring it into the classroom, you know, and, and make, for example, government a little more relevant to the students that I had under me. So, you know.

[15:16] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah, yeah.

[15:18] FLAVIO CISNEROS: It was part of growing up and part of learning.

[15:21] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[15:22] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Part of being a citizen, I think. Yeah. More than anything else.

[15:26] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah, yeah. I can, I can feel that. And you are also involved in other. In several other community endeavors. What else are you involved in?

[15:40] FLAVIO CISNEROS: These were the ones that got me involved. Well, I know one.

[15:43] CLAIRE COTE: I know one. We roped you into one. But tell me about. Because something that I know about that part, and we can talk about it, but I'm actually more interested for you to talk about the friendship circle. Oh. And, you know, and your involvement in the, in the church, that kind of was almost the friendship it doesn't have. You don't have to go into, you know, more recent craziness, but kind of the renovation of the church. And your involvement with food. Food is connection, is part of your. Is your community connection, isn't it?

[16:20] FLAVIO CISNEROS: And I don't know if you, if you. In 2008, our church of St. Anthony's in Cuesta collapsed, and there was a move within the community, you know, in making the story short, to rebuild. But the archdiocese didn't want it rebuilt. They wanted to knock it down completely. And so a movement started to rebuild the church. And I became involved in there, actually, in 2013, I think, is when I really became. Got involved with the food aspect in that, in the rebuilding of the church. Gary Cisneros, who was in charge of doing the feeding, all of a sudden got in an accident, you know, in the mountains, and a tree hit him and he died as a result. And so I took over feeding the workers at the church. And so he lo and beholden. It was. It was a job, but it was. It was a beautiful undertaking for me. It was a beautiful undertaking. I never found it hard. I, um. We fed every weekend, and so on Friday, I always baked. I baked every Friday, and for four or five years or something like that, on the last day that I baked, I. My oven went off. It burnt. The oven burnt. But we fed. I had people lined up wanting to feed, you know, and. But I fed. I fed every Saturday morning for break, and then I had somebody come in and feed lunch, you know, to the workers. So until 20. Until 2016 or 20, when did we finish the church? 16 or 17? I'm not even sure anymore. We did. We did the courtyard. Yeah. And as part of that courtyard, let me tell you, I had an interesting. Had an interesting experience when on that day, excuse me, on the reconsecration of the church, I came in dressed in my knight of Columbus outfit, and I saw this big statue of St. Anthony sitting in the back. And they said, where did this come from? And I didn't know where it came from. Apparently somebody had brought it in for the reconsecration. And so anyway, it was a beautiful statue, cast bronze. And so anyway, so I fell in love with that statue. It was St. Anthony. And so when all the formalities were over, I asked the priest to see if I could do something to keep it. And so he said, go ahead. And so we asked the guy who brought in the statue to see if, what we could do to keep it. And what did the creator of the statue, what did he want in terms of money? Because I knew he was going ultimately came down to money. And so Bernie from Costilla came back to me and said that the guy wanted $13,000 for it. And I said, okay, 13,000. So another one of the stewards or mayoromos of the church, you know, we got together and they said, how would, you know, I would like to undertake this project to purchasing. So anyways, we got our heads together and we started raising money. In six weeks, we raised 18,000, and we were able to buy St. Anthony, you know, for the church. And so the following year, when we were doing the courtyard, Mark came to me and he said, because I was still very much involved with the church, he said, okay. He said, we're going to do put St. Anthony outside in the courtyard. So what direction do you want him facing? And I said, west. Because in history, the west was, you know, attracted people. And I remember the famous words in history, go west, young man. Go west. And that, you know, to me, was a real heartfelt thing. So, anyway, so St. Anthony today faces west because it's the land of promise. Yeah, yeah. And then I became involved later, you know, with the friendship circle. I said, okay, I'll be one of your cooks. So they assigned me a team. And so the friendship circle is a group of people who come, who pay dues into an organization, and the idea is to feed the family of a bereaved when death comes into the family. So and so, the dues were $15 a year. Since then, we've raised it to 25. And so I became its president last year, and I served for a whole year as president of the circle. But again, like I say, it's just the idea is to come together. The teams are assigned, and they rotate, and it is to bring, you know, a meal to people who, you know, who thinks about a meal. When you have a death in the family, you know, that. You know, at the point that you're going through all this bereavement, you know, eating is not important, so. Or that's. At least that subject is not important. So anyway, the meals, usually when you. When you. When it all boils down to the cost of the meal, is like. Like any. Depending on the size of the credits, anywhere from $300 to $500 is what we. A meal that we provide, you know, for members of the community. And it's a beautiful undertaking. It's a beautiful undertaking. I cook for the circle. They say that I make the best chili.

[22:51] CLAIRE COTE: Nice.

[22:53] FLAVIO CISNEROS: That's the food aspect there. Yeah. I enjoy cooking, but basically more when I have people to cook for at home. It's not. Yeah, it's not as fun. It's not as good.

[23:09] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[23:10] FLAVIO CISNEROS: So, yeah.

[23:13] CLAIRE COTE: Your love of food kind of goes back to your childhood, doesn't it? What was your childhood like?

[23:22] FLAVIO CISNEROS: You know, that my mom and dad are kind of like products of the depression, if you will. And we had a farm and we had animals, and we never went hungry. That's one thing. Even though in history, if you read the history of New Mexico, it says that Taos county was one of the most depressed areas in the nation, is what the history books say. And I say, but I didn't. You know, I come back and I say, but we didn't suffer any hunger. My family didn't. You know, we had. We had chickens, so we had eggs, we had cows, so we had milk. We had sheep. We had, again, cattle, and so we had beef. The only thing that. And my dad raised a lot of wheat, and so he was able to take a, you know, sacks of wheat to the mill in San Luis to get it ground into flour. So it was, you know, we were okay. We were rich beyond measure, you know, as far as, you know, in, you know, as far as that is concerned. But my mother became a very good, very creative in the kitchen, and so I've, you know, she. She did wonders. My mother could put a meal in five minutes flat, and there you have it. Yeah. But then, of course, she had to be creative because there was ten of us. There's ten kids in my family, so, you know, and I loved her cooking. Up to this day, I'm still trying to. Trying to make tortillas the way she used to. I can't. I haven't mastered that yet.

[25:05] CLAIRE COTE: Maybe we can come. We can come try it with you sometime, because amber really wants to learn how to make tortillas right now.

[25:15] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah. And you know what? And it's. I think it's easy, you know? But that touch, right?

[25:23] CLAIRE COTE: Yep.

[25:23] FLAVIO CISNEROS: That touch is important. You know, I tell my sister, I say, when I make tortillas, I said, if you wanted fresh tortilla, now's the time to get it, because I don't know how good it's going to be 2 hours from now.

[25:35] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[25:36] FLAVIO CISNEROS: It's going to turn hard or whatever. Yeah. But my mom, like I said, was very creative, and so I've tried to retain. I've tried to keep a lot of her recipes alive. Especially for christmas. Yeah, especially the Christmas, you know, with the empanaditas and the pastelitos and the puddings and all that stuff. Yeah.

[26:01] CLAIRE COTE: What kind of puddings?

[26:03] FLAVIO CISNEROS: She has one. My mother used to make this pudding. It called for. It was milk. Right. It was a milk pudding. And the eggs were the ones that were used to, you know, to thicken it and a little bit of flour. But she always preferred lemon flavor instead of vanilla, so to this day, I love lemon pudding. Not vanilla pudding, but lemon pudding. Yeah. No, it's. It's a good pudding. I'll have to make it for you one day. Yeah, you'd like it. You'd like it. Yeah. But all this came to fruition only with a creative council. That's when I started really putting all this stuff together, even though I had made it years before. No, but.

[26:54] CLAIRE COTE: You mean some of the food. Some of the food things that kind of helped inspire you to think about.

[27:02] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yes. Yeah. I don't know what else I can add to that.

[27:07] CLAIRE COTE: The traditions, you mean yeah, the traditions.

[27:09] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah, the traditions. I can make a means of IPA. Yeah.

[27:16] CLAIRE COTE: And you know how you do a lot of really good preserving in the.

[27:22] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I've learned how to. I've learned how to make jellies and go. Yeah. No, it's. I find it rewarding, and it inspires me to give because I don't eat it, you know? And Ernesto, my grandson, you know, he's like, give me pizza.

[27:50] CLAIRE COTE: He doesn't have appreciation for.

[27:54] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Come on, Mijito. You try this.

[27:58] CLAIRE COTE: Maybe he will eventually.

[28:00] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah, he will eventually. Don't you want to take some bisco Cheetos to school with you? Nah, my roommate doesn't go for that stuff. He's a health nut. Have you tasted bisco Cheetos? Oh, you can. You've missed something. It's the official New Mexico cookie, right? Yes.

[28:22] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[28:23] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah.

[28:24] CLAIRE COTE: It's a good thing, I think, about the. Help me with the name of the very slightly burnt or. No, it's not burnt. It's a whole wheat pudding that you put in the. That you wash in the, in. What was that? Like, sprouted wheat berries or something?

[28:49] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Oh, panocha.

[28:50] CLAIRE COTE: Panocha.

[28:51] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yes. Yeah.

[28:53] CLAIRE COTE: It's a whole week, and you kind of recreated it.

[28:57] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah.

[28:57] CLAIRE COTE: Well, kind of like you were sort of trying to figure out. Experiment to figure out the recipe, right, that your mom used to make.

[29:05] FLAVIO CISNEROS: It cooks. It cooks, like, for about six or 7 hours if you put it in a crock pot. Yeah, it's whole wheat. It's sprouted wheat and with a little bit of flour also. But basically, as my mother used to say, it was such an awful name. I'll explain later to you why.

[29:36] CLAIRE COTE: I. Are there other foods that you. That you can remember that you. That you loved that your mom used to make or.

[29:45] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah. Right now I'm trying to figure out something they used to call pan wemun lazy bread. And I cannot find anyone who remembers it. They remember it, but they don't know how to do it. And I. And I was telling my sister just a couple of days ago, I said, you know, I said, I remember. See, my dad, my dad was a sheep herder at some point in his life, and so he was in Wyoming, and so anyway, he learned how to make this bread over there and came home and taught my mom how to make the bread. And so it's like a bread, but it's made like, they whip the dough into a cake. Cake dough consistency. And so it's poured in the pan, and then it's baked, and it's. But it's bread. Okay. And so I'm still trying. I'm still experimenting to see if I can get the right taste. But there is no. No teacher like. Like the taste, right? That's the one that tells you no. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, I know. So that's what I'm trying to learn right now. It's how to make pan wemon. Maybe whoever listens to this will be able to tell me one day.

[31:08] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah. Yeah. You're on the hunt.

[31:11] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah. How to do it.

[31:12] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[31:13] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah.

[31:15] CLAIRE COTE: Anyway, I was wondering about who were some mentors in your life or people who inspired you, either in your home community or in your family or in your travels? People that you found or experiences that you found influential in your life that you've sort of taken lessons from?

[31:47] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I think that the most important teacher was my mother. It was from her that we learned how to get along with people and how to do things, you know, and how to do it in a prideful way so that you would. That you would be proud of what you did and that you did it completely. And this is something that I tried to pass on to Ernesto, my grandson. She was number one. I had teachers in high school that I remember, but, you know, there was a cousin who used to be the chemistry teacher, and he was a good inspiration for me. He was the only teacher that I ever earned an f with, and he told me, this will inspire you to do better. They had an f in chemistry. Floored the hell out of me, but I did it really. I really have not had any. I had one teacher here in Taos. His name was Joe Baca. He was. He really was an inspiration for me. He really put his heart and soul into his teaching, and I tried to do that, too, but I also had a professor at Western who I tried to model my teaching after. He was just absolutely amazing. But he was hard as nails. Yeah. And I became hard as nails, too, in the classroom. Yeah. But, you know, so, yeah, there's been some, you know, not many, because basically, I've been a rebel all my life. I don't keep my mouth shut. What can I tell you? I think you know that already.

[33:30] CLAIRE COTE: I do. That's kind of a. This doesn't have to be our closing question, but what would you like your legacy to be, in a way, in terms of with your family or your community? You know, kind of lasting impacts?

[33:53] FLAVIO CISNEROS: You know, I've really thought about that. I hope that people will remember that what I did, I did it lovingly and that I took good. I took great pride in what I did. Cause I look back, even though I don't attend the church that much anymore, what I see, like, for example, dressing the church now for Lent, my touch is still there. I haven't been to church in two years, but my touch is still there. So I hope they remember that. They can think he did it, but he did it with a lot of pride and a lot of love in there. And too, you know, I tried to keep my family together after my mom passed away. I promised her that I would keep the family together. You know.

[34:56] CLAIRE COTE: She was the glue and she was.

[34:59] FLAVIO CISNEROS: She was. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, she became an orphan at a young age, and so. But that's another story.

[35:07] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah, yeah.

[35:11] FLAVIO CISNEROS: So. But I love you. You are a good person, and you have taught me a lot of things.

[35:19] CLAIRE COTE: So have you, Flavio. I learned a lot from you.

[35:21] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah. Because when you have a project, you attack it with fervor.

[35:29] CLAIRE COTE: As do you. Whether it's.

[35:34] FLAVIO CISNEROS: You've been a good influence on me. You have, you know, and I appreciate that.

[35:40] CLAIRE COTE: Very sweet.

[35:41] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yeah, I appreciate that. So anyway, that's one part of. One chapter of my story, of my life.

[35:50] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah. There's many, many chapters of yours, yeah. Of yours in each person's life. But I'm really grateful that you are willing to come in and chat in this, because it's different every, you know, it's different sitting at your kitchen table, and it's different sitting here at the Taos library knowing this might be part of a national archive. And it's different every. Every conversation. I'm grateful.

[36:19] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I've had a good life. I've had a good life, you know, and the Lord wants to take me tomorrow. I keep. I think I'll fight him and say, I'm not ready yet. But no, I've had a good life, and I am just eternally grateful to all the people who have been there, you know, along the way. And of course, I have a grandson, you know, that has taught me humility and how to keep my mouth shut when not to say anything, how to keep, you know, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's part of my story.

[37:03] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah.

[37:04] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Thank you.

[37:05] CLAIRE COTE: Yeah. Is there anything else you want to add, Flavia? We have a couple more minutes.

[37:09] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Oh, I don't know. I don't think so. I've told you I love you. I don't know what else I can say. Yeah, I think, you know, I think that you're absolutely beautiful person.

[37:24] CLAIRE COTE: Thank you. You too.

[37:25] FLAVIO CISNEROS: So much to give.

[37:28] CLAIRE COTE: After every conversation that we have, I always want to set up a cooking time together. So I think we have to do that before. Before the Lord comes and has an argument with you.

[37:41] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Yes. You know Katrina. You know Katrina, don't you? At the village? She's my niece. And so she says, tio, you have to come and teach me how to cook. I don't know.

[37:54] CLAIRE COTE: Well, maybe you can. Maybe we can have a lesson together. I would like to get to know Katrina better.

[38:00] FLAVIO CISNEROS: I taught her mother how to make capoline jelly. Yeah.

[38:06] CLAIRE COTE: Sounds good.

[38:08] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Thank you.

[38:08] CLAIRE COTE: Thank you. Yeah.

[38:09] FLAVIO CISNEROS: Thank you.