Frances Radwich - 02-07-2024

00:07 Hello?

00:08 Hello, Frances Marie Turner Radwish This is Kelly Brown.

00:15 Kelly Brown, whatever.

00:17 Yeah, well, I kept the name. So how are you today?

00:22 Oh, I'm not good. But let me tell you, I explained quick before Jimmy just called him stop by you. He's not good. I said I'm interviewing with Kelly, so I'm going to try to get him out of here or something so he don't interfere with this.

00:40 But, well, check this out. So this interview, if you so choose, can go into the archives of the Library of Congress. So look at you. Fancy.

00:55 Can I. Can you hear me?

00:57 All right, I can. Can you hear me?

00:59 Okay, yeah, I'm back in this corner, so I can. Okay, honey, I'll start. All answers I'll be right.

01:06 Okay, so I'm speaking with Frances Marie Turner and she is my grandmother on my mother's side. We're recording in Animas New Mexico for me. She is located in her family home of many years in Greece, New York, outside of Rochester. We are going to be talking about a couple different things. I'd love to start with Grandma. How did you get your name or who you were named after?

01:40 Well, I was named after my grandfather Francis, and evidently my grandmother because my mom. Yeah, that's true. It was Francis Marie after them. But, you know, I was with an E and he was with an I. But that's right, because my mom died when she was young, so I don't have too much information. And Turner, of course. Well, Turner's always have to be there.

02:13 Were you named after your maternal grandfather or your paternal.

02:19 My maternal.

02:21 Cool. And did you know them very well, all of your grandparents?

02:26 No, honey, my grandmother, my mother died when she was 24 and I was four. She died and she left three children. And they are. They were from New York City because of her death. I was the oldest. I never got very much information from that side of the family. I do know the name and her maiden name was Kippie but I didn't get a lot because nobody talked back then.

02:57 Sure. So on that note, what was it like for you growing up as a tenant farming family in the 30s and 40s? I know you saw a lot.

03:08 Well, honey, it was actually was a sad time for me because it was 27, the depression started and we had done. We were doing good on the farm, my family farm in Jasper, New York. But then the depression hit. And so then just at the time I started school in 1932, and that was just the beginning of it. So during those times, we moved 10 times before I Even got into high school.

03:48 Wow.

03:50 So I stood. That I did. I'm not sure you. Or talk to him.

03:57 Not sure you just. We're just. We're just having a nice conversation, just like we did, you know, there on Christmas Eve. So since you moved a lot, did you guys try to keep some continuity? Like, did your dad maybe cook a favorite meal or do something together to keep some continuity for you all?

04:19 Well, it is funny. These were struggling days, and dad worked a lot. But on Sundays now, this is my dad and my stepmother after we moved into about the third or fourth home. I can't remember that. Every Sunday he would go out, shoot a woodchuck, a stick up the nose, and we laugh about it. You go get a woodchuck, bring it home. These are two meals I remember the most in the summer would be that mom would boil it in water and then cook it in butter. Oh, my God, that was good. That was good meat back then, you know.

05:03 Wow.

05:04 That would be our sun. And then in the wintertime, after, we always canned everything. There were dead. Every. Every Sunday, made two different meals. He made a big stew, which was all, you know, of canned meat. Like, I don't remember canned beef or some kind. And he used to cook a big, big pot. And then he would. And then he put biscuits on the side and bake it in the oven. And don't forget, it had to work fast because we had a wood oven and the wood and temperature only stayed there just so long. So we all helped. And biscuits on the top. Or the next Sunday, he would make spaghetti just for summer. He liked to do that. He'd make a big thing of spaghetti sauce. And that was our Sunday meal. It's funny as hell. There was a lot of stress on the cold, a lot of fatness. But that meal was just seemed like the meal we could set, and we enjoyed that.

06:09 So it was a. Like a nice sort of a ritual almost. Yeah. Yeah. I think it sounds great.

06:20 Thanks. For my mother who moved from New York. From New York with it.

06:26 Oh, wow, that's a. That's a great story. Do you know whatever happened to the dining room table?

06:33 Well, actually, we had it all these years also. You know, Grandpa and Grandma. I mean, the Depression. I married me, I don't know, 32, I think, and my stepmother and the dining rooms that went with our life. When my husband came to meet the family for the first time, he was a country boy from Massachusetts. He was so impressed that we all set these things on the table. He didn't set it on the table. I guess it was just everybody helped themselves and actually, I sure, I'm sure by now it's gone. But it moved everywhere. We did. It moved with my parents and, you know, all the furniture that went with it. We didn't have a living room and we never had living room. We always had a table, which was the dining room table, which was the kitchen table. Everything involved.

07:35 That's amazing. So what do you remember? Like, what were you like as a child? And how do you feel that you're still like that today?

07:45 Well, to begin with, my own mom was sick of it because she had heart trouble and she had three babies in a row and her heart was gone. I remember being bedridden and me always kind of watching all the other ones. I was only four when I found her dead in bed. But my little brother was next to me and my sister in Wyoming, the three of us. So the minute she died, I had assumed, of course, being the head chicken. So actually it was a sad home because I remember seeing my mom and dad and saying, daddy, there's something wrong with Mommy. And then I have to stop if I'm saying something wrong. And so he rushed in and the next thing I know, dad, Daddy was on. He's being involved, embalmed on the kitchen table, at the dining room table. So immediately I took over. And then my dad, within a year. Those days you had to marry somebody and he did, to help take care of us. And I. And she had two more children in those two years. So I always, never being a little girl, always, never a child. I was sad because there was so much sadness. But I didn't know why that I'd be sent to my grandma and grandpas when they started school. And always, always sad. And I still. I get on my. Well, everybody's nerves because I'm still sad.

09:27 Oh, that's okay. You what? This world is full of different folks. And, you know, it's okay. It really is. Because I think it takes all kinds to run this world. And maybe that sadness has made you keep going, right? And just.

09:45 I do believe there's something I have to do get finished. It's weird that I say that, but the doctor one time said. I said, why am I still. Thank God you have my memory. I remember all the stuff from school and the places we moved, whatever. But there's a fortitude. And I think that they are, you know, And I don't have any sentimental daughters, you know, your mother, Joyce is hard as a rock and roller's good but then, you know, I thought, I'm so glad I can tell, Kelly, because nobody in my whole life and I have all this information, you understand? Nobody will listen.

10:31 Well, you have close to 97 trips round the sun under your belt, I'll have you know. So a really good question I can ask someone of your experience is that what is the biggest difference between the world that you grew up in and the one that you see today?

10:50 Oh, yeah, it was a. Even though it was sad, there were lighting y'all beautiful, man walking to school with a bright sun, coming home, being a teenager with difficult hard years but no stress. And now I actually cry so much with a little babysitter. Oh, you know, you'll never have the freedom of God. Or maybe, you know, you can't even now you can't go out after dark. You know what I mean? It feels safe and you can't. Well, God, I walked to school so many miles. I used to think of now how many miles we'd walk and that there wasn't. Oh, there goes a long time, right?

11:55 Oh, I agree with you. I so agree with you.

11:59 I mean, I hate being doom, but it's so sad for you guys and your children. And your children. So, you know, you like being an old grandma. I've had a lot of grandchildren, so don't forget. I got some in their 20s yet and grandchildren, so.

12:20 You sure do. So going kind of back in that happy times when you're basking in the sun and you have all this freedom, what did you want to be when you were little? Like when you were growing up, what did you see yourself doing as like a job or a career?

12:37 You know, it's funny, things were so. That was the very worst of depression, don't forget. And I just. Never dreaming, never dreaming. Like, we could have a house of our own, you know, where we lived. My dad worked, he'd get that house. We had to make sure we got in school, which was important back then. You had to make your kids go to school. And we moved to the house, maybe a house I'd like, but it was never our house. Never, you know, and at that house, I never ever dreamed of, ever. I know. I can't believe that when I was little, other people that were getting anywhere, I figured I'd be an old housewife out there in the country.

13:28 It's funny that you say that, because little Bella will express to me that she wants to be a mommy when she grows up. So it's very sweet and I like that you have done that you've managed to get yourself a house and stay in it. So it's almost like you overcame the obstacles that kind of were put before you. So on that note, my kids have one place.

13:51 Not that they appreciate it, just one. Like Teresa will tell you she didn't because I don't hardly remember living there. Mind you, we invite here since 1950 we've lived here. And I said well no, because I wish you go play with your friends on the other streets. But they had a home to come home. I didn't worry about them out playing all day, you know, and having fun. Some I could never have because when you're a country you wish I had gotten chunky wood. You had stuff you had to get done before dark.

14:28 Did you have a lot of chores growing up?

14:31 Oh my God. Yeah, I always. I laugh. I remember, I don't know why. I remember this one when I was 8, I think I got up early in the morning now. Mom would boil on the orange stove. She'd boil the white clothes all night in this great big. Oh, I can't say it's a big tub. She'd boil them all day, get them clean now in the morning when they get up they'd get before five in the morning and I would scrub all those clothes before I went to school. It was a lot easier on my hands. But the thing was that's what we did. I helped her. I was the oldest and sometimes you come home, maybe clothes would be laying outside on the grass to bleach. She was very clean. We were wrong, but terribly clean. And they'd be out there getting bleached, bleached in the sun. It's funny that things that were more important was getting a wash. You know another one that strikes me funny. I hope I'm not not digressing here. When I was a teenager by now and we just know there's no heat and our beds were warm but when you got out you froze. It was 1 o'clock in the morning and ma, she said come on, get up, get up, you gotta help me. I was probably 13 and so she'd hung clothes on the line. All these long legged underwear we all had to wear. And a big wind had come up, the clotheslines had broke and these air filled frozen underwear were blowing down across the fields. Now a moment right out of the catskin stories. Oh, we had to get a quick run out. The snow would break and they'd run. It looked funny, but it wasn't funny. Then they're sliding and couldn't get anything going because you imagine my holding the lantern and us gets all living through the soul kept in the.

16:46 Oh, my good. Was it a. Like a kerosene lantern?

16:50 Yeah, of course. So we had. We didn't have. We never had. Till we moved to Rochester a couple times we moved to a hole in the head. But as a rule we only had piercing light. And so the kerosene lantern, she's holding it up high and there's five of us or all three of us that could help. And we were running through and bringing them all in and they're all damp now, of course, you know, and we laid them all over the furniture. God, by the time we got back to bed, our arses were cold.

17:21 Oh, that's a great story.

17:24 Oh, it is just something no one else will ever know, you know what I mean? There's just little things on you that you even heard. Nobody appreciates them.

17:34 I think it's a great story because I did not realize that you didn't grow up with electricity.

17:40 Oh, no, no, no, we never had electricity. We always out in the country, you know, what did they call that? Whatever that's called, they have none of that. No, we never had that. So again, even as a little. I came home to school at 5. I had to come home and help bring them wood.

17:59 Sure. So that's how you kept warm. That's how you cooked was wood fuel and kerosene lanterns.

18:06 And you sit around the wood stove minder, you got warm but you went to bed early because it was dark. You couldn't afford to waste the kerosene. You don't know they had any money.

18:19 Yeah. That's incredible.

18:22 It was the most even Joyce House. Oh my God. I'll take all of this because I remember as a child doing it, you know.

18:32 Wow. So on. On that note, how. Because of how you grew up, how do you feel that your parents influenced your life?

18:41 Well, because you don't realize until now you only like your mother done. So she didn't go, sorry about that.

18:51 But no, it's true, it's true.

18:54 It is true. And now, you know, if kids complain, my God, my dad would go, he was a farmer. But then farming was depression. Everybody was out of business because nobody had any money. And he would go, for example, and go hold it in coat to bring maybe a few cents to come back to buy kerosene, you know. And I think of how I like it. This is a sweet story I told my brother one time. Now we were little and we had moved from the country up to another place in the country. We owned the boondocks. But I was like 7 or 8, so that's how much we moved. Now we went. Ended up going to a town school. So it was beautiful, but we had to get up to walk. Oh, it was so cold. It was so cold, you couldn't stand it. Walk over. I think it was close to 2 miles to catch a bus that went down into the town of Jasper to go to school. But then, you know, we had to come back. And when it was so cold. And I remember one time my brother said, why did I have to go to school with Agnes? Because it's. Oh, I can't.

20:19 I remember her. I've met her.

20:21 Agnes, I said, army, Edwin. You were so little. You couldn't walk them. That long. Walk. Because as we got to that big heist outside there, we got into a bus. And going to school, you were too little. Our little legs was just horrible. And I said, he's over here. I remember that one time dad said to me, come on, let's walk down and see where the girls are. And we were so cold, walking. Just no houses, you know. And I remember looking down and seeing dad and Edwin. And he had to hurry because it had been so long. But we had such a hard time walking again. We probably were there only six months, but we had to go there to go to school, to move to another place for six months, to get ready for another place to live. And it was how hard it had to have been for them, you know, Ma was just a young woman. Well, she was only 19 when she married dad with three kids, you know.

21:30 Yeah, but like, do you see in your children the grandchildren or any of the great grandchildren, do you see them in us? Whether it be how we look, how we act, anything.

21:46 I talk about. My sister was missing all those years, right?

21:49 Yes.

21:51 And there's another story I want to follow up with you about getting in touch with that side. Because some of them look like you and I. It'd be so interesting connection with them. And also my sister, her life. She. Her kids. Don't remind me of your kids. My own kids. My own brothers and sisters. Well, you know, you're all in the same house, but you don't remember being there.

22:17 It's a different childhood for each child.

22:20 Except for the fights, but everyone. I mean, you remind me the most of me. Because you're so mental.

22:29 Yes, but if you. If you could maybe bring back your mom, your stepmom and your dad, and if they maybe Had a message. What do you think their message would be to all of us?

22:42 I think it's just hug your kid.

22:44 Oh, that's a great answer because I.

22:48 Don'T remember any of them.

22:51 Oh, grandma sending you hugs.

22:55 Well see in the middle. And then dad married another woman who.

23:01 I think as a parent you think you have more time and then before you know it they're out of the house.

23:07 Yeah but even my only one hugged me was my aunt. But these were few far between because in the first place back then people weren't hugging kissy in my family.

23:21 Right.

23:21 I'm sweating. There's so much that would happen during those I came begin to take good time because you'll have to ask me what you want because I'll keep going.

23:32 Oh, you're okay. So like growing up was there someone inspirational that. That you really kind of inspired to be like. And if so maybe why were they so inspirational? It could be anyone. A teacher, a family member, someone that really inspired you.

23:50 My grandma Turner.

23:51 Edna nice.

23:53 I mean when my mother died and three kids depression two years before that her son Jim had died right there on the farm and left three kids. So here was my grandma with all those kids back there know how to feed them. And she was grandma was my grandma. She was my grandma. She's the only one I ever felt close to. And she never. She never ever. And I don't either. She never said nothing mean about any. I knew she must have felt it. But she kept it all inside took care of us. I remember on my the first curse my mother died December 7th. And that was right before Christmas. And at Christmas grandma we were at the turn at the farm and the little grandma and grandma walked by me and she had a package. It was wrapped up in newspaper by the way and write that newspaper. And she said here Santa couldn't get here this year. And it was a painting. Water painting son. First thing I ever got in my whole life.

25:04 I think that's a sweet story. That's a very sweet story.

25:08 And I water painted and I water painted and you know it's just one of those things and another time and the other grandpa which is another sweet straight Grandpa Payne, my step grandpa. I love grandpa. Grandma pain. They were always good to us. And I looked out the window. Now it's probably eight. I looked out and there was grandpa coming up. He walked forever. He had a package and he walked in the door. He's here. Mabel, this is my grandma. Mabel said these are you for Christmas. Well I opened it up My God. It was a book. Thin bed, concealer. I read it over and over and over and over and. Because it's the first book I ever got. But I like to convince Grandma Turner because he was a rock star. Oh, my. All the shoes are rock. Of all the people. And I think I'm like her. I care deeply. I knew she did because she put too much butter on my toast. But she never said that. But I do. I think one time, my brother Edwin, he was little, he kept running away. I said, edwin, why did you run away before? We lived in stumble and you could look across the fields and see the farm. He said, I was trying to get back to Grandma. Oh. That's all he knew too, was Grandma.

26:45 So now we've kind of covered your early life. We're going to get into the family you made, and this is going to be kind of fun for you. So do you have any special memories or unique birth stories about the six children that you. You bet you bore.

27:04 Heck, I forgot all that. No, I think having your first baby, Arnie, what had to be. Because we were at the. At the Toronto fair while my water bank broke. And then by the time we got home, I think it was strange because we're walking through the atmosphere and all of a sudden, big horse right in front of me scared me. And I bend down, all. I was actually laughing and my water bag must have broken. I was peeing. But the other couple, I didn't want them to know that. And all of a sudden there's a big crowd or, oh, the lady's choking. The lady's choking. I really was. I was just laughing so hard. And then big skirt to come with a big P mark, you know, and then having him and having to have to leave in the hospital because he was a preemie in your first. No, I. It was just something about him. I had my first two, 10 months apart, you know.

28:16 Oh, you had Irish twins.

28:19 Yeah, I had another set too, so Robin and Bob, or another set all torn within the same year. A year within, you know, the year.

28:27 Wow. And you almost died with mom, right?

28:31 Well, yeah, because I had what was called. Oh, boy, the Bachelor Comes First.

28:40 Oh, I don't know what it's called, but okay. Oh, look it. You knew it. Okay.

28:47 And I remember that's home where I had this remark because I. I didn't know at the time, but the doctor told me after he had to go up into me to push a person to back to bring me out. He said, you know, we almost lost You. And I knew that because during that birth there was. I could feel a million horses pulling on me, pulling on me. And with something right ahead of me and I just wanted to sleep. I said, love them pull me. I'm so tired. And he can say hon, come on hon, come on. And his voice kept me going and I kept awake till he, you know, I would. I knew I guided these other guidance. How almost is that funny the thing to remember. But later, if you ever took it and look at the size of his hand. Well, I tell you, I was torn from that. He really, really ripped because he tore the inside of him to get me out. Oh.

29:52 So out of all the births, did any of your births the water not break and you have the baby born within the water?

30:00 No. No.

30:04 So my last son was born in his water and that's called a mermaid birth or they also used to call it an on call birth, which is a prophecy. It's good, it's good. It means that he could be a prophet or a seer, but that's kind of an old wives tale. So it's just, it was interesting to hear your perspective because you've had a few more than me. So like what did you love most about being a mom?

30:29 I could hug my kids and be with them. I didn't say I didn't have to work. I don't work all those jobs, but I could stay home with them. Well, that's a blessing too, you know mom, but I can each one of like. I remember one time, I think it was Jimmy from the doctor come to the house. He said you don't have to lift him up to put him on that bed. He can climb up by himself. But you just kind of over. You just did all that because you didn't know, I guess know any better. But actually none of my kids were ill over the years, so I could have lost them. So I do think I always had that fear. First of all, I was afraid I was going to die and leave them behind because my mother had, you know.

31:21 Oh, wow. So you struggled with that a little bit. You struggled with that a little bit all my life. But look at you. Could you have imagined say when you were 30 that you. That you would live this long?

31:39 No. While I was 30, I had choice. That's enough to drive me to the inside.

31:47 So once you and grandpa kind of fell out and you became a single mom, what? Out of all I know you worked a lot and you worked very hard. What was your favorite job and why?

32:01 Well, I think My favorite job was the first job I had working at Wegmans selling choose products. Because then I realized that I had a potential I never knew I had. That I could take something and if I liked it, I could sell it. Oh, I mean, everywhere. And I learned two things. You gotta have eye contact. You do have to have eye contact. And I made sure I had eye contact everyone I talked to. And that's how you make a sale, by eye contact. But it's not funny. No matter where I worked, I knew I'd get the job, right? It's just the way it was. Because I had the confidence. And don't ask me why. I mean, I'd worked as a teenager at a 5 and 10 cent store, you know.

32:56 So what's the second thing you said? First things, eye contact. What's the second thing?

33:03 Act like you're glad to see. I always have. Always. Because I glad to meet somebody.

33:11 You do that. Yeah, you do that.

33:14 Yeah. And I am. I always want to meet new people. I'm just. This is the loneliest part of my life because there's no one around. Not gonna lie if you understand, but because I love that contact with people. I still have people come here, but it's not quite the same. But I think. And that one time old Bill Buchanan told me, you can go through life with them all. And there have been a lot of people who will not treat you right. But you will never forget who was kind to you.

33:50 That is so true.

33:52 It's very useful. Remember, I liked your arms.

33:56 Yeah. Listen, I still get complimented. So do you have any advice for any of us about work or career or just like life in general? Do you have any lasting advice that you'd like to pass?

34:12 I think things will get better, even if you think they won't. They get better. They may be bad, but they will get better. Nothing to last forever.

34:30 Wise words from a wise woman.

34:34 And it's true. You know, I feel bad, so I miss all and I don't know how to keep talking. But even now I'm so excited about this phone call because you wanted to hear. And I so much I want to tell you when you're not tb. I could tell you.

34:54 Yeah, we can, we can. When we're done. We will. So I'll make sure I get through, like the important stuff. That this is going to go down in history. Ms. Fran. So you did mention that you love the book Sinbad Sailor. Were there any other creative things like movies, song, or a piece of art that you just absolutely Adore. Every time you see it or hear it, you get, you know, goosebumps, and it just makes you feel good. Is there anything you'd like to say about that?

35:24 Do you know what I found the other day? At least how I am? I don't know where it had been. I lost all my hearing aids, which I haven't got yet, and Sherry fell. It was on the floor way back in middling. And it was a little card with so many others. A little card. And the little card you take off, you know, a strawberry heaviness. Just when you put a pin that you put in there, you know, Lapel.

35:53 Yep.

35:53 And I had. Love, Kelly. Love means Kelly and Tristan.

36:00 Oh, see that spirit saying, oh, yeah, you're gonna talk to Kelly this week? Oh, I am. I think she is. She's just got a. She's hardened herself to it.

36:17 She has. She. I don't know. She used to be sweet. I know she did when she was little. She is so hard. But then she comes. So she makes. How she know. I just had to come up with it because I'm more sensitive than she is.

36:31 Oh, I almost think. I almost think you both are, but you have this, like, exterior, but that's. It's like. It's your protection and so that you don't get hurt to your sensitive inside. So what do you. What are you most proud of? What is the thing that you've created? And it could be a person, it could be a piece of art that you're most proud of. Besides all of us.

36:52 Children are gorgeous people, good people. Do you know how much that means?

36:59 Yes. As a mom?

37:00 Yes. Grandchildren. You know, just because you'd be surprised. I mean, they would. Well, you know, I had teenagers and a lot of things, but I like this is run just. I had a bad weekend because I can't see any morning and I'm down and all of a sudden cried for two days. Notice me. Why? Joyce was working. There's no big deal. She was sick too. And all of a sudden the phone rang and it was Bryce, Robin's boy.

37:36 Yeah.

37:36 I mean, I knew you, but now here he is. You know, he's going to be a New York State trooper. He's in training now. He only has a T jot. Comes home on Friday from the middle of the state and then comes back at lease on Sunday. Do you know, it's just him gonna call Bryce and he's thinking of me and didn't have long, but. No. How many years? What? He's 23. He'll be 24. He'll be 24 this week.

38:06 Oh, my goodness.

38:07 That he would take the time to call me.

38:10 Yeah. He's a good boy, though. They were raised really well and all.

38:16 The kids are good. Bobby still stops by. Everyone. I don't accept. Well, after all, I'm told to be alive. I can't explain to you what a good fiance because she work and you say, interesting. You know, we are helping Tristan.

38:40 Thank you.

38:41 He needs it.

38:42 He's a little. He's my lost one. He's my lost pup.

38:46 And you know what? Look at Arnie. He was away for years and the buddy was dead. And Tristan, he's in the shop every day. And I know she just paid a fine. A big prime his depression. I said, joyce, it's your heart. You can't help Kelly right now. Kelly, kids change in part, but I said, tristan is her heart. He was her heart. I said, and now the only way we can help her heart is by helping Kristen. He's a very good boy, basically. He's a decent boy.

39:28 He has a good heart. He is, you know.

39:30 Yes, absolutely. And these are the things that are heels. I said, I know he brightens her day because she has no one else, like my grandchildren do. So you see, deep in you instill in him. You might not see for years, but he loves his mother. I must tell you. I'm digressing. But the other day, he says to his grandma, you know, Mom's changing some, being you. And I think so, too. He said, oh, that makes me feel so good.

40:05 Oh, thanks, guys. So the one recording here for the Library of Congress, it's only going to give us about five more minutes. So my other record, I've got two things going because we're going to make sure we get this down for posterity. So my laptop. My laptop's recording and my phone's recording, so I wanted to get this in for the Library of Congress. How do you want to be remembered in your life? Like, what do you want Fran's legacy to be?

40:39 I think I was just a good old country girl. Just bought my sticks, got all the sticks, and I'm still a country girl. That's just me. I'll never be any different. But my heart's the same As a heartfelt love.

40:59 That's such a great answer.

41:02 See, how intellectual.

41:04 I. Oh, I knew it bodes well for the rest of us how long that you've stayed sharp and just, you know, you've kept yourself yourself. You haven't, you know, you didn't go down the path like poor Jeanette where she just didn't know who anyone was.

41:20 And that wasn't her fault.

41:22 No, that's just how it is. You either lose your body or you lose your mind. I'm kind of with the path that I would like to be more like you. I probably wouldn't mind my body breaking down so long as my mind is still okay.

41:36 Well, God, you don't know how beautiful I still am too.

41:40 You darn tooting. Listen, it's good genes.

41:46 Well, I laugh. I can't help it. I have to.

41:53 You are a survivor. You have survived Ms. Cancer and you know, the loss of a child. And so that to me, like how did you get through those things? What was it about you and something you believed in about yourself that got you through the hard times?

42:12 I really. I guess you just have to work through, you know. I've also lost a son in law which broke my heart because it broke my daughter's heart. Did it broke my children's heart. 10 years. You know what I'm saying?

42:26 Yes, I do.

42:29 It's sad. I cry. I cried a lot because Lyndon George weren't too good about it. But I have reunited with. What's your name just for my peace of mind. She's a different girl. Yeah. So I gotta ask a couple of. When we get. We're recording.

42:50 Oh, you're good. You still got about two minutes left on the Library of Congress one and it only gives us 45. But my teacher doesn't mind if it goes a full hour and then once I stop we can. We can talk about whatever you want. Did you have any adventures that have shaped your life?

43:12 I don't know. It doesn't seem like I see I'm such a simple soul. Just going to the farm in Massachusetts and all those years and doing all those things and flying to Oregon to see my cousin. To me, because I never thought I was in Colorado. See my brother. Those were all I ever. I never want to be away from my kids, which is the hard part for me.

43:46 Oh, I have a good one to end on for this Library of Congress. If you could make one change in the world, what would it be?

43:57 Be kind. Be kind. Everybody just be patient.

44:08 That's wonderful.

44:10 No, you don't. You want to be nice. I try. Here. The garbage man, I. You know, I give him some meat once. I made that starving. But tell them, gee, I didn't miss you where you've been because people like that. I guess I do.

44:29 Well, thank you so much. This is going to go down in history. As are you.

44:35 Well, it could my age, it can remember. And I can remember everything back from I was little all the way. I can bring back everything. Wonderful.

44:45 I think that's very wonderful.

44:48 I'm so glad you are putting it down, honey. But then I will tell you this other stuff I've been thinking about. So my brain don't stop, it goes full. And honey, I'm so glad you know.