Gabriel Garrett and Hilary Turner

[00:02] GABRIEL GARRETT: So my name is Gabriel Garrett. I am 28 years old. Today's date is Sunday, March 6, 2022. We're here in Pensacola, Florida. And the name of my interview partner is Hillary Turner. She is my significant other.

[00:23] HILLARY TURNER: And my name is Hillary Turner. Age 30, 33. Today's date is Sunday, March 6, 2022. We're in Pensacola, Florida. The name of my interview partner is Gabriel Garrett, and he is my fiance, partner, significant other, whatever you want to say.

[00:48] GABRIEL GARRETT: So what would you like to talk about?

[00:50] HILLARY TURNER: Well, I think it would be cool to talk about how we met here, maybe like a little bit about where we're from and then how we met here and kind of like our journey and how we started our family and how we came ended up back here in Men's Cola. Florida.

[01:09] GABRIEL GARRETT: Sure. Yeah. So I was living here. I just moved here from New York. It was in May of 2016. And then fast forward five months, around late November, I met Hillary. And pretty soon after she was saying she wants to travel somewhere, she wants to go to Central America. And I knew her for about a month.

[01:32] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So we met at the Mahabhuta Yoga Festival here in Pensacola. And I grew up here in Pensacola, so I'm from here. And then I was just. Had been living in West Virginia. My family has a farm in West Virginia. And so, yeah, I had been living there for about six months. And then I knew that I wanted to travel probably to Central America, but I wasn't sure. But I just stopped back here in Pensacola to. As kind of like a stopping point to. I was staying with my sister at the time. And then I met Gabe at the. At the yoga festival. And then we talked a little bit. We met through mutual friends, and then we met, like, what was it, a week later at a dinner party. It was at Josh's house.

[02:31] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah.

[02:32] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So we went to a dinner party, met there, and then we hit it off. Gabe kind of moved. Not moved in, but he just started staying with me at my sister's house. Like, just kind of random. But then we, like, I. We know that we both knew that we wanted to travel, so we pretty immediately started making plans to travel to Nicaragua. And.

[03:08] GABRIEL GARRETT: Well, I mean, I got fired from my job like a week after I met her. Yeah, I don't think the two are related.

[03:16] HILLARY TURNER: Well, it kind of was convenient. We had both saved up. I think we had both saved up about $8,000. And we were like, wanting to travel, and you just got fired from your job. And so we were like, okay, let's do It. And Trump was elected, too, at that time, but I think he hadn't started yet. So we met in. Or he hadn't, like, been signed in. We. We met in. Was it in the end of November? End of November.

[03:46] GABRIEL GARRETT: It was the night before our friend and I were about to embark on our first acid trip ever.

[03:52] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So.

[03:54] GABRIEL GARRETT: And then he was inspired to host a dinner party till he went to go learn how to cook butternut squash.

[03:59] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah.

[04:00] GABRIEL GARRETT: And so then he decided to host a dinner party afterwards where he gave everyone his butternut squash.

[04:06] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So then we. It was like. I think we were planning our trip through December, and then we took off. Do you remember when we took off?

[04:22] GABRIEL GARRETT: We took off, like, I don't know, January 17th or something.

[04:25] HILLARY TURNER: Okay. Yeah. So it was right before the inauguration. And then, because we were, like, kind of scared of what would happen, like, once Trump was in office. And so we decided to first go to Nicaragua. I had been to Nicaragua a few years previously for a few months, and I really loved it down there. And I had stayed at this eco village called InanItah and I loved it. So I wanted to go back and I wanted Gabe to see it, to experience it. So that's where we went first. It's on the island of Ometepe in Nicaragua, which is basically this island made of two volcanoes in the middle of this huge lake in the middle of Nicaragua. It's very biologically diverse. And this eco village was basically all solar powered, all like, kind of outdoor clay buildings. We were pretty much camping there, and it's like, you.

[05:33] GABRIEL GARRETT: You volunteer, basically, you work there, but you also pay to stay there. So. But it wasn't too expensive at the time. It was like, it's still only like $400 a month, and you volunteer like, 15 hours a week, and you have a place to stay, basically and eat. So that was kind of neat, seeing, you know, people will be able to, like, live somewhat cheaply and being able to be fed and housed and still not have to work that many hours.

[05:58] HILLARY TURNER: Gabe, what would you say would be, like, your most interesting experiences, like from InanItah

[06:05] GABRIEL GARRETT: It was probably when that girl. Girl named Omni came. I had, like, some crazy dream where I heard, like, a voice in my ear or something. Those things, like, if he opens his hand, he is receptive to the reverend or something. I didn't know what it meant or what it said really, but I opened my hand and then I woke up and I was in, like, a windowless bathroom, and I just was standing in the bathtub looking in a mirror. And I felt like I had. I felt like I was in hell, basically. And I just started screaming, like, ah. And, like, my chest is pounding and it hurt. And like, then, like, Hillary wakes me up being like, hey, wake up. I thought I had. I thought I had actually died. And I was.

[06:45] HILLARY TURNER: We were, like, sleeping in a hammock. We were both. We were both in one hammock.

[06:49] GABRIEL GARRETT: But then, basically what happened was that night, there was this girl named Omni who had showed up. Omni's not her real name. She just. That's what she was calling herself. And she's from Maryland. And she was just running around the village saging everybody. Saging everybody. And we're like, okay, that's interesting. But then the next morning, everyone gathers and they start saying, oh, I had a dream that I die. And I had a dream that this other person died. And everyone's having dreams. Everyone dies horrifically.

[07:16] HILLARY TURNER: Nightmares and crazy dreams that night. And she basically, we. And we had this gathering circle and this big, like, yoga temple thing. This is beautiful. But. And she. And every morning we would check in and, like, say how we were feeling, how we were doing, and, like, everybody kind of told them about their, like, talked about their dreams. And then, like, she was like, oh, my gosh. She was like, I did that. And she was like, I'm gonna have to leave soon. I'm gonna have to leave this place because, like, these spirits have been following me around. They've been, like, attached to me and, like, following me around, and I was trying to get rid of them, and, like, they were, like, messing with everyone in their sleep, like. But she was really cool. I wanted to. Sorry, go ahead.

[08:06] GABRIEL GARRETT: Most people. Most people at the Yucca Village stay for about a week, but she just came and went in the period of only a few days. So.

[08:13] HILLARY TURNER: But she was very cool, though. I mean, she was like. She was carrying this. One of my most interesting experiences there. She was carrying this, like, machine with her that she got from Italy that basically hooked up to trees and would, like, would make sounds. Would make, like, physical sounds to basically represent, like, the vibration of the trees.

[08:45] GABRIEL GARRETT: Wasn't it, like, converting, like, the trees electromagnetic impulses to sound?

[08:48] HILLARY TURNER: Yes. And it would make music. It would make this, like, these beautiful, like, drawn out tones, these different tones. And we had this experience where we were basically able to have a conversation with a tree with this. With this machine. And so she had it hooked up, and then she comes over to us and she's like, hey, guys, do you want to see something? Cool. And we were like, yes. So she brought us, a few of us over to this tree and she explained what she had set up and she basically like the tree was like making these like beautiful melodies. And as soon as we walked over to it, it made this really high pitched sound, like almost like acknowledging that we were there. And then we were talking and the tree would like make different sounds and it almost seemed like it was kind of responding to us. And at one point we gathered around the tree and we did like a long om. And the tree, the tree responded with a very high pitch tone that was long. And then. And then we were talking some more and we were like, wow, this is so cool. And then like later we all gave the tree a hug and then it did it again. It did that, that high pitched sound. So it was like this sort of unique experience of realizing that trees have some sort of awareness of us and ability to even communicate with us like through this machine. So that it was just kind of life changing that this presence of like. I've heard stories, people telling me like, you know, that they had done acid and talked to trees before, but I never had that like direct experience before. So that was really cool.

[10:45] GABRIEL GARRETT: That was neat. And then probably also just that peyote ceremony we went to that was hosted by like a native American chief that was there.

[10:53] HILLARY TURNER: That was another really cool experience.

[10:55] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah, I mean we were just in a. They had. The guy had come from Canada down to do it and he had set up a teepee, like a huge teepee in like a dedicated location. And they just burned the fire the whole night. We have to be on our knees for about nine hours straight for the whole night.

[11:12] HILLARY TURNER: And this was your birthday, Gabe?

[11:13] GABRIEL GARRETT: It was my birthday. I think we were on the verge of breaking up until we did the ceremony.

[11:17] HILLARY TURNER: We were kind of arguing. It was kind of like a tough transition to go to this place. It was tough for Gabe to get used to and being in living in an eco village. And even though it was very beautiful and awesome, it was also challeng. Like it's also physically challenging to change your lifestyle immediately.

[11:38] GABRIEL GARRETT: It was kind of far from civilization.

[11:39] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, it was kind of rugged, but.

[11:42] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah, we were just on our knees in this ceremony and like with burning fire and this hot teepee the whole time, the whole night just on our knees. Like from. Yeah, basically sun. It was like sundown to sunrise, maybe like 9pm that night to like 8am the next morning. And then it was a long while. And the whole time they're like throwing More wood into the fire and manipulating the ashes as everything moved around. I didn't realize it, but they were actually creating patterns the whole time with the ash. And this is. This is a ceremony that's passed down from the Comanches, from Quanah Parker, I believe, since he really brought all the tribes together on the reservation after he got all the Comanches and other tribes to sort of live in some sort of harmony on the reservations in Oklahoma.

[12:28] HILLARY TURNER: And we didn't know that at the time, but, like, years later, our friend gave Gabe this book called the Empire of the Summer Moon, which Gabe read and realized where this peyote ceremony had come from and realized the history of it, which was really cool, like, because we didn't kind of. We didn't really know anything about the history of this ceremony when we started, but it was really cool. So it was on the island of Ometepe, but it was like we had driven on this truck with a bunch of people from the community. We'd driven in the back of the truck to get there, and they had this little property set up on the water. And when we got there, it was, like, in the evening. And they fed us. They fed us. They set up. They spent the whole day preparing. They set up the teepee, and then. Yeah, we started in the evening, and it was, like, no water. You had to stay up the whole night. Like, once you started the ceremony, it was, like, a commitment to finish it, like, the entire evening. And, like, it was tough. It was hot, and the TV was like. It was. Because there was a fire. A big fire right in the middle of it. And we were stuffed in there, like, maybe, what, like, 30.

[13:47] GABRIEL GARRETT: I think it was like, 40 people.

[13:49] HILLARY TURNER: 40 people, like, stuffed in this big. With this, like, big fire. No, like, water. They give you water, like, once, like, halfway through the night. And the first, like, few hours of this, I was. Well, the tobacco part of it. Sorry. I'll get to the first few hours. I was just, like, suffering. I was like, why are we here? The cool part at the beginning is, like, they passed this tobacco around to, like, begin the. I guess it was like a prayer ceremony. So you would take in tobacco, and then you'd say a prayer. And, like, the smoke is supposed to, like, take it up to heaven or to the. Whatever, the spirits and. Yeah, but it was. It was. It was like, kind of. I felt more from the tobacco, I think from the peyote at first. And I didn't feel that much from the peyote. I felt like I wasn't like, hallucinating or anything, but I was just like, this fire is really hot. But there was this. I think, for me, the point which made it really transformational was in the middle. Middle of the night, this middle of the ceremony, this guy, like, did this, like, prayer with tobacco. That was, like, a long prayer. And he kept taking in the tobacco and, like, saying this, like, prayer from his heart. That was just, like, spontaneous. And he. It was very emotional, very heartfelt. And at some. And at some point in it, it just, like, made me extremely emotional. And, like, I started. I just, like. I just started breaking down crying, and I was like. I felt, like, this huge opening in my heart, and I was crying for, like, five hours, like, the rest of this ceremony. And that's when it was just, like, really beautiful, like, emotional healing. And they were singing, like, the whole time, like, after that, like, early into the morning, like, all these, like, traditional Native American songs. And they had, like, the drums and, like, the women were just. It was kind of, like songs of, like, grief and also joy. And I think that was, like, kind of, like continuing to make me cry. But then in the morning, the sunrise, it was like this rain started coming down and, like, hitting the teepee. And it was like, they said that that's when the rain comes down. That's when the ancestors have heard your prayers. So the whole ceremony was just prayer.

[16:37] GABRIEL GARRETT: Which is interesting because there's usually not rain in the morning there because it's usually dry and it's the dry season.

[16:42] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, I just started sprinkling this rain, and it felt so beautiful and so healing just to hear that rain and feel it, the coolness from it.

[16:54] GABRIEL GARRETT: What was interesting to me at the end was just the way they were manipulating that ash. It turns out like they had. They had morphed it into, like, a gigantic thunderbird. And, like, you leave and then you come back into the TP for, like, a final walkthrough. And, like, you know, I left and came back here. I was like, oh, this is a giant thunderbird. And the eye. Just. The eye was a glowing hot red ember.

[17:17] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, it was awesome.

[17:18] GABRIEL GARRETT: It was beautiful.

[17:20] HILLARY TURNER: And then, like, in the morning, I felt like we just felt so light and energized. We were, like, playing in the lake with this little boy. We were just, like, throwing a ball in the lake and, like, just kind of had a ton of, like, energy and felt. And I felt like our relationship sort of, like, turned a new leaf after that. Like, we kind of, like, just got along better and just were, like, wow. We had shared like a really amazing experience and I think like even after that I was like unsure, like feeling a little bit unsure, but I had this like sort of voice almost or intuition tell me to like wait a few months just to like see how things go. And like, I feel like just from that point we just had a lot of more like just amazing adventures together like in Nicaragua and like other places in Central America where I felt like we like were able to bond. Yeah, yeah.

[18:22] GABRIEL GARRETT: But beyond that, you know, after that we went to a couple more countries, came back and then we bought a school bus and converted the school bus into like a little tiny house sort of situation. But then I got a job at a startup in California and it was a kind of weird deal because they told me I had to go there, it was in Silicon Valley, I had to go there for training. And they didn't really like give me too many details. They just said it was at Sequoia Capital, which I also didn't really know anything about. But it turns out it's like the biggest venture capital firm in America, like the biggest tech one. They, the ones that invested in Apple early on, they're like worth trillions of dollars. And I didn't really understand the deal but what they actually, what they were really doing was it turns out Sequoia had accepted their company into an incubator program and they were giving every found so called founder like a $15,000 living stipend to join this or to be in the incubator program. And they didn't tell me that, they just said, oh, we're going to provide you housing. And I'm like, okay. And so I go. And like the way it kind of worked out was we ended up having to sleep in a tent in the backyard behind a hacker house that they were renting out.

[19:28] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, that was absolutely crazy.

[19:30] GABRIEL GARRETT: Meanwhile, I'm going to go represent their company sitting at the table across from like literal billionaires.

[19:35] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah.

[19:36] GABRIEL GARRETT: And the CEO was 18.

[19:37] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, we didn't realize at that time that the CEO had, they had like basically like kind of embezzled your living stipend, like your $15,000 living stipend.

[19:52] GABRIEL GARRETT: That's why they wanted me to go to this so called training that we.

[19:54] HILLARY TURNER: Were supposed to have. So we were both in this like tiny little tent and outside of like a huge house that they were renting.

[20:04] GABRIEL GARRETT: A $12,000 a month house.

[20:06] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, it was absolutely crazy. I liked the Bay Area enough. Although California was much different than I always imagined it to be. Like it was. I felt like it was, like, very arid, but I know that it's becoming more arid.

[20:21] GABRIEL GARRETT: And it's also, like, I feel, like, not that friendly to people who aren't, like, really wealthy. Like, there's just a lot of homelessness, a lot of problems. I feel like the hippie dream is mostly dead in the Bay Area, that's for sure.

[20:33] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. San Francisco really shocked me. I think just the amount of homelessness that's, like. Like, currently in San Francisco, and, like, some of the things that we saw there, like, it's still beautiful. I feel like the city was still, like, really beautiful. And I love the, like, the gardens there. And I think my favorite thing about California was definitely the redwoods.

[20:55] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah. And the bus trip to California was also awesome. Like, we stopped through Colorado for a couple weeks, and I mean.

[21:02] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, we should talk about our bus a little bit more. So I also want to go back to. To just, like, kind of finishing our Central America trip after. After Nicaragua, actually. You know, what I want to tell is the story of. On. I think it was, like, Valentine's Day. So it was, like, a few days after your birthday.

[21:23] GABRIEL GARRETT: Oh, yeah.

[21:24] HILLARY TURNER: Valentine's Day. We. We were, like, on this journey. Just. Nicaragua is so interesting. There's, like, these. On Ometepe. There's these rocks. There's these bit called petro. There's, like, carvings on these rocks called petroglyphs that, like, the indigenous people had done, like, thousands of years ago. And we, like, discovered one of them. And we met this farmer that was, like. We were, like, by this fence, and this farmer came up and was like, I'll show you another one. So we followed him onto his farm, and he showed us this other petroglyph, which was really awesome. And we were walking, like, barefoot.

[22:01] GABRIEL GARRETT: Oh, yeah. It was, like, super thorny.

[22:03] HILLARY TURNER: And it was, like, thorny. And then, like. And then we come back and I think gave, like, cut himself on this, like, barbed wire fence that was rusty. And you were like, you had expired your tetanus shot, so we had to get you a tetanus shot. Okay, so we have. Okay, so. So the next day, we had to, like, get. Which was, like, free in this town, but we had to get there. And we ended up, like, renting a moped that neither of us had driven one before because we were like, how are we gonna get there? So we kind of, like, just figured it out, like, right on the spot. But it was, like, turned out to be one of the most beautiful days, I think, of that we were there because we got to, like, ride a moped, like, all over. All over this island and, like, kind of discover new parts of the island.

[23:03] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah. There was, like, a butterfly sanctuary, but also, like, when we went to go get the tetanus shot, there was, like, a little, like, village, basically, and there was just like, giant murals of, like, Che Guevara and, like, other people like that right on, like, the town center. It was pretty cool. And then, like, you know, I got a free tetanus shot. They didn't charge me anything. They didn't even, like, ask for any. Maybe I wrote my name down on my birthday, and, like, they didn't charge me anything.

[23:26] HILLARY TURNER: And it's like, there's this little rural hospital. And then. Okay, so then after that, after Omete Bay, we went to. Through Guatemala and then the Yucatan, which there's lots of stories to tell there. But I guess we can go back to our bus, where we spent a couple months, like, renovating this bus, and then, like, drove it through Colorado.

[23:54] GABRIEL GARRETT: California, I feel like Arizona. Sedona. Yeah.

[24:01] HILLARY TURNER: I feel like there's also a lot of stories to tell there.

[24:03] GABRIEL GARRETT: But you also ran for U.S. congress and won your primary, so that might be worth touching on.

[24:07] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So I guess we can skip ahead. Yeah, so we can skip ahead into California. When you. When Gabe started his job there, we. We got pregnant right away.

[24:21] GABRIEL GARRETT: First day of the job.

[24:22] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, first day of his job. And then. So we were. So. I was kind of miserable there in California.

[24:30] GABRIEL GARRETT: The job sucked. And then after, like, three months, I was like, let's go back. Let's. I quit. And we went back to Florida, came back here to Pensacola, and then we had the bus in the backyard, and we made an Airbnb for, like, a little while.

[24:42] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. And then we had our daughter. Our first daughter, Sophia, here in Pensacola. And then that was, like, really great with our friends here and everything. But then Gabe kind of needed more steady work, so we. He got a job in West Virginia, which I was excited about, because I have family in West Virginia. I had lived there before, and I love that state. So we went. We went there. And then pretty soon after being there, this was after. This was kind of after we saw this documentary knocking down the house with, like, aoc. Like, I decided to run for Congress, and there was this awesome movement happening there called West Virginia Can't Wait, where it was, like, a political movement of, like, people not taking corporate donations for. And. And there was, like, 100 candidates on this basically slate running together and supporting each other. I got to know A ton of people. I learned a lot in like a year and a half and I basically.

[26:00] GABRIEL GARRETT: Managed the campaign too.

[26:02] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, we were kind of both and like driving all over like 18 counties was the district. It was like a huge district of southern West Virginia. It was like coal country. But I was running as an environmentalist, so it was like very progressive.

[26:19] GABRIEL GARRETT: And you had a four way primary.

[26:21] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, a four way primary. And then we barely won.

[26:23] GABRIEL GARRETT: Well on the first week we had lost by 400 votes, but we were still waiting for the mail in votes to come in. And then everyone's like, she's not conceding what's wrong with her.

[26:32] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah. So it was like kind of during the pandemic that this campaign. So we had to switch our entire approach to like a political campaign like in the middle of COVID And then we had, we also had a one year old. So I think running as like a young woman, like with a one year old was all of it was totally new. And I don't know, it was just crazy.

[26:58] GABRIEL GARRETT: Tensions were high during that week. So we just skipped town, came down to Florida and hung out at the beach. And then we found out that she won the primary by like 100 votes. When all the mail in votes came.

[27:07] HILLARY TURNER: In, I did not win the general because like Trump just like did super well in West Virginia and everybody showed up and voted street ticket Republican. So like Democrats like got like maybe around 30% of the vote, like all the way down the line. Okay, so we have. Okay, so that was definitely something that I might do again one day, but don't want to do anytime soon with.

[27:33] GABRIEL GARRETT: I don't know if I could ever run, run a campaign again. I just, I've become so cynical on politics after all that had happened because the whole time it's like every time a news event happens, you're like, oh, I'm going to have a reaction to it. I'm going to publish some statement about it. And then you start to see all these politicians kind of almost like what everything they say, you start to view it through this lens of like, oh, this is just like another campaign thing for them. This is how they're like, they're building social clout or political clout.

[28:00] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, you kind of see some of the dark side of the political system and how I didn't realize before I ran that it was just like all about raising money and like political candidates have to spend, you know, like 40 hours a week on the phone, like making phone calls. And I hated that. Like, it was like I Didn't do that much, but we did end up raising like $92,000.

[28:24] GABRIEL GARRETT: 95 even.

[28:25] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah, but yeah, so Gabe was like the treasurer managing. But after that I kind of just like took this big break. And then like pretty soon, a couple months later, we got pregnant with our second daughter, sky. And we kind of just tried to make it through that pregnancy during COVID which is hard because we were having to isolate a lot, but still trying to like walk and get outside and like be healthy. But then, yeah, so then we had our daughter Skye at home in West Virginia with a midwife, which was a really cool experience, just doing totally natural birth. And then we knew that we had wanted to. We were wanting to come back down to Pensacola, but I was kind of like concerned about like just where we were going to have our baby. And so we had her like at home there. But then, yeah, we had a studio apartment set up in the basement where we had her. And then, and then we end up deciding pretty soon to move back to Florida, back to Pensacola. So we just recently bought a house in Navy Point area in Pensacola and moved all of our stuff with a three month old baby and a three year old, which was quite an adventure. But we were super happy to be back and going to the beach and seeing our friends at the farmers market. And that's kind of where it is nice right now.

[29:58] GABRIEL GARRETT: And to be. I like being somewhat politically uninvolved.

[30:03] HILLARY TURNER: Yeah.

[30:04] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I just, it's. I'm not getting too wrapped up in most things anymore, which I kind of enjoy because I don't know it. I think it's just so hard to take it seriously just knowing, knowing that all these politicians are kind of just. They are kind of just trying to build up all the social clout through what they say.

[30:27] HILLARY TURNER: I feel like we've done a lot of like planning for the future and working on these long term things, but at this point we're trying to like live each day as much as possible just because especially with everything happening with like Ukraine and Russia where like feel like we're at the. Might be at the brink of nuclear war and it's just terrifying, especially with our babies. So we're just kind of trying to like enjoy our babies and like live like Gabe's still working his job, but we're just kind of like how do we take the most advantage of every single day? Like at this point?

[31:00] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah.

[31:01] HILLARY TURNER: And I'm thinking about moving to South America.

[31:03] GABRIEL GARRETT: You can move to South America because.

[31:05] HILLARY TURNER: Like, nuclear winter in, like, the northern hemisphere.

[31:08] GABRIEL GARRETT: I think I'll just go drive where the bomb lands. I'd rather just.

[31:13] HILLARY TURNER: That's not gonna be good.

[31:15] GABRIEL GARRETT: I don't wanna live in a post nuclear war or post nuclear world.

[31:18] HILLARY TURNER: I'm not that it's supposed to be better in, like, the southern hemisphere of the world.

[31:22] GABRIEL GARRETT: I'm not sold on that concept.

[31:24] HILLARY TURNER: But, yeah, that's kind of where we are right now.

[31:32] GABRIEL GARRETT: Yeah, that's this moment in time in human history, folks.

[31:36] HILLARY TURNER: Well, Gabe, thank you for going on this journey with me. And I hope that we, like, I hope the world doesn't end soon and that we can have a lot more adventures together.

[31:46] GABRIEL GARRETT: I'm ambivalent. I'm fine with whatever happens. I'm okay with it. But thank you. It's been a great conversation.