Rosalie “Mickey” Greenberg and Cara Feinberg

Recorded April 1, 2007 Archived April 1, 2007 01:22:30
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Mickey remembers her parents.

Subject Log / Time Code

She remembers seeing a burning cross across from her Sunday school.
Her father was a doctor who used to tell kids to take a wooden spoon and go ask the policeman on the corner how to get to the chocolate mountain.
Her father’s death occurred at the beginning of a broadway show. They told the grandkids he had blown away to heaven.


  • Rosalie “Mickey” Greenberg
  • Cara Feinberg

Recording Location

Grand Central Terminal


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00:04 My name is Cara Feinberg. I'm 30 years old and today is April 1st April fools day. We are at Grand Central terminal in New York City and I'm going to interview my grandmother today. If you would introduce yourself Grandma and Mickey Greenberg, I'm in my ninetieth year.

00:26 Hen

00:28 And you're my grandma and I'm a grandmother of a lovely Cara finder.

00:36 We met here I think of a few months ago back in November and we we talked a lot about your life and your children's life and I wanted to ask you some questions about your parents. What what your parents were like what it was like being their daughter. Well, I'll start way back they were

00:58 First I guess second generation. They came with their parents. My father came in the late 1880s and my mother came in 1890. Where did they come from? I came I believe from somewhere near Lourdes in Poland. We still going to have not been able to identify the original town but the families grew up in the same town and when my mother's family came, they were told to look up my father's family. My mother was all of six months old my father five years older and they had a wonderful exciting life of being first-generation Americans. They both went to college my father never went to high school. He went from 8th grade writing to City College. He had to pass a lot of examinations. They told us, of course it got an A and everything which made it pretty hard for us to get through life and we thought he was pretty smart and eat.

01:58 Expected at least as much of us. He had to take several, you know different kinds of examinations to say that he was qualified for college. He went to City College. I think he only spent three years there and then he went he wanted to be a doctor. He went to Cornell Medical School in his first year of college. Is that extraordinary at the time I guess so I didn't hear of anybody else who did that, but I thought he was always extraordinary. My mother also went to college which was most unusual for women in that day. Both of them of course went to city colleges. Do you my dear Hunter and my father was madly in love with my mother. How did they how did they meet they lived a couple of blocks away from each other and my maternal grandfather went to meet them because he was told to look them up. He came to New York.

02:58 Mother went my father first or her when he was about 8 years old and he knew he wanted to marry her. She was much better than in any way she went through school and high school and then she went to Hunter and he was very impatient. He wanted to marry her. She's asked to distill it finished her junior year and she wasn't she was about 18 years old. I think at that time and when she was 19, he matters you never finished college, but what was it about her that that Rudy personality and she's very beautiful woman and he just was madly in love with her and

03:42 She even though it was a city college and there was no tuition. She paid had to work to have expenses to travel around and get whatever she needed for college. So she told pain and it was forever a deep regret in her life that we were all done. Even after many piano lessons. We all of the love music but none of us was a practicing musician. Anyway, they were married and the year or so later. They had friends at the first child several years later Claire's a second and I was a baby few years after that. But what I really wanted to talk about was what their adult life was like even before I came on the scene before you even talk about that. I just wondered if there was anything that you really saw in them as an effective being immigrants.

04:38 Children, they were first generation were there to their parents speak English. Not much. I think I don't know where this smoke get it. I guess I don't know what the language of the home was. My maternal grandmother was a stroke High German Deutsch and I suspect that wherever they were was very near the German border, you know in that area the boundaries changed all the time party time with Jeremy part of the time was Poland part 2 pulling the Russia and you will see you in with the other grandparents to it's not the same boundary today.

05:18 I was just curious if it is. I think it's a very different with different with a keen interest in education and to be American they want to do everything right and I think they did a pretty good job of that. We all were fortunate. We just grew up expecting to go to college that wasn't ruin their day. And I have since learned wasn't even true in my day. But for us, we just knew that with our future into whatever career we went to sign into my father. We lived on the Lower East Side on 10th Street, which was an okay area to note that day. And then as I was growing up, it was really pretty awful layer area. It was right near Tompkins Park, which I remember is a three-year-old when I left. It's a beautiful place where I went on the swings and then later years. I knew of it as needed.

06:18 It was a same drug hang out today. All my friends grandchildren are living in very expensive apartments in the same neighborhood. It's all been cleaned up Tompkins Park is beautiful again and

06:35 Well with the world except it's too expensive for most young people. So they moved to Brooklyn. I never lived in Brooklyn, but when my father was a pack of general practitioner and did a lot of Public Health work in the Lower East Side and then it was a doctor who would I don't know where that doctor study but he brought the study of allergy to America and he needed some disciples and he picked three young man one of whom with my father. So he was one of the very early allergist in this country and did a lot of research. There are tests that are named after him. His name was Aaron Brown and this a brown patch test is very faint when people are looking for allergies that take the allergen that's difficult in the

07:31 Temptation to the skin and see if there's a reaction and he rather did research in all though. It was a practicing I had to stop telling people that he was responsible for that because people would come back from their allergist tests and you know with really swollen arms. I had stop telling them. It's my fault even his children ended up that mother, you know, his grandchildren did that he ended up being a professor and head of the department biology is NYU school of medicine. I think we missed the whole section between him going to college and becoming a doctor. How old was he when he finished medical finish medical school 21 and you look very young and he was very slim and he grew a beard so people would trust him. I have pictures I guess so it was successful, but my mother didn't want to live in that area was pretty rough for the kids and my brother would go to the park and regularly get beaten up and our house had those spy.

08:31 Iron fences around it and very often they just bang his chin and I thought it would so it up and Uncle Fred smile. They would be always crosses weird and skin stitched up and my mother decided she didn't want to bring your curls up in that area. Why why was he beaten up with it about him or about the other what we said they were a bunch of rough kids in the air and the kids to go to play ball on the park and you know, they'd Steeler jackets and beat him up just because they seem to be a little bit better off. Maybe I don't know maybe he was very small and they because he looks like it could be beating up a piece of wood.

09:07 Beliefs about that it's good. So we moved to for Park where I have to living my mother never work because you got married so young and had a family but she she was always ahead and executive in her own right? And in that town which was a little country town. She got very involved in the school system with the PTA and then she was one of the founders of the public library and she was a door in it and some very Progressive and I think in our last interview, I recalled how during the Depression I used to go with my mother and father to the community chest and we would pack even I pack potatoes and other Foods bags for the less fortunate and she was always the organized have anything knew she was on the board of the friends of the

10:07 Public Library open all the all the years that you lived in Floral Park and you know, she was on the school board for 18 years. She was a present if I die, so she never was never assigned us into World War II and then she became involved with that cuz that was a scientist Woman's Group because some of her friends were and course no time. She was surprised what what gave her that kind of strength that kind of Drive. Do you know and I guess you must have been born with it. I don't know maybe being a first-generation American she wanted to be there to help in whatever way she could but you know, we all have some of that now and that's where it comes from. How did how did your father react to her? I mean, I I I don't think that I recall hearing about a lot of women doing a lot of things at that. Of time is very proud of her as long as she was around when the children needed her when he came home from his office.

11:07 His office was in New York, but he was very proud of what you did and he too had extra curricular activities. He was not a particularly religious man, but they were very few Jewish people in Floral Park. And when we were small we had to go to Jamaica to go Sunday school and he decide that with silly and make a New York near Jamaica Jamaica New York Jamaica West Indies. I'd go to Sunday school, but he's able to founder and first person to be congregation and so's days everything is so different the women raise money and women's organizations connected with the temple by serving lunch. Maybe one day a week to the businessman in the community and having bazaars and having bake sale pending money to today but everything cost very little the building. They had was secured by my father's tennis brand. It was an Irish Catholic and he

12:07 Call my father one day and said I got a building for you for your tempo for your synagogue won't cost you very much. It belongs to the telephone company and they've just built a new building. You can have it for $5 each $5 and $5 here $5 and it's yours. And so they converted that there was a small congregation and they were able to put the sanctuary in one important to school rooms in another. How did the Irish Catholic friend know that this was a that this was something your dad wanted to do what they were very good friends and he was in the real estate business and alert to what was going on in the community was beginning to grow after World War 1 and just had his eye out as good friend and the telephone company those days was very generous. He said to tell me to give us five bucks. So he had that of course, he had all his medical societies. He was president of the allergy.

13:07 National allergies organization but most of all he was known as being the founder of Phi Delta Epsilon which was a medical fraternity that he sounded with friends while he was still in College medical school. It was very difficult in those days for graduating medical students to get placements as interns and residents. They were quoted

13:34 Jewish quotas in men and all the good husbands, I would take it very small number of people in this organization was to try to help them get a replacement for further graduate training. This was for Jewish Medical students started out, but after a while it was open to others today, it's completely open and they even have women in it and saved in those days and now it's more slated to pre-medical students to help him to get into med schools and do understand what being a doctor was all about and they remained as the doctors got older is advisors, very great paternal interest and I do recorded during World War II when the first doctors might so many with a We're Young doctors from the other returning that fraternity was in most medical schools in this country and Hebrew letters every night. It was as if they were his sons and when the first doctor died

14:34 He was in mourning is if his own son that died. He was very loyal to them and they did him. In fact that with the day of Dr. Kildare. You know that Dr. Kildare was he was a radio character and he traveled everywhere and he leave it alone fictional doctor. Yes, they killed it was here but they had a little cold Aaron Brown was here and they would leave it at every time they go to a different medical base and they would find each other all over the world. When you say code just it was test they would identify themselves so that if they were other members of the friend returned it they would know who that was. He was the the Eternal present about organization and it's still in existence with very different. It's a hundred years. It's over a hundred years old cuz we went to their hundredth anniversary.

15:29 The only ones

15:32 That were my brother wasn't able to be there.

15:36 So that I went and Claire's children's braids children and my children went to the hundredth anniversary. Sounds like when when you were young and especially describing when your your parents were young adults was not an easy time to be Jewish in in the area. Tell me a little bit about that is very difficult. I never had any personal difficulty since I think I mentioned in the last one that going to Jamaica to Sunday school every Sunday morning there be a cross burning.

16:10 Put up by the Klu Klux Klan and it was not for blacks as we think of when we stay Klu Klux Klan cross-burning where it was on Hillside Avenue and area that will build up now, but in those days with just woods and feels and it would always have a sign Jews and Catholics go home. We don't want to hear that. That wasn't where we live in the west between where we lived in the destination for Sunday school service. There wasn't a good feeling and I saw it after the Jewish holidays. There was one particular boy in my class. I don't remember his name, but I remember his face. He was an a student and he was goody goody boy, and he was beating up every when it came back to school the next day. They Kara's glasses off and stomp on them and it was not good time. Do you remember the first time you saw the burning cross on the way to Temple?

17:07 MA 7 7 years old I can remember I was fine cuz it was fire. I didn't understand the implications of it. So I really know what it was because my father read what was on the sign and advisor said we had to be very good children to be careful. What did he say? What did he tell you about? Don't remember the same thing. It's more than I expected. You don't enjoy hearing the story told over and over again and I would call it but it had a deep impression on me.

17:40 And my friends were were not Jewish. I didn't didn't say run enough kids in town for me to be with him. And I had no problem with Sam.

17:54 And they had no problem with me.

17:58 It's different today, of course, right? It was it was a difficult period in our lives and sacked.

18:10 Shortly before a couple of years before my father died he was

18:16 Working with Rabbi Stephen wise who was one of the great reform rabbis on the problems of quotas for Jewish doctors and and the Restriction have their training Innovative Services. What was the quota? What were the restrictions I can't dispel them out to you, but they would take only a small number of people with this the case for Justin in hospitals. Where where would there have been quotas it will call Disney medical schools are closed in and then asking for any place they might go to train.

18:49 And that some of the hospitals ever started by Jewish groups were for that reason so they would have a place to get their training and practice places like that Sinai.

19:03 Israel New York anyway

19:10 There was a large part of our lives and I'm sorry you were beginning to tell a story about your father working with a rabbi Rabbi Stephen wise and that that was probably he knew him because of it. He was mad of the reform movement in America and he's used to send lots of patience to my father lots of rabbis with lots of children's love him could not pay any bills and I guess they never got any bills and we used to tease my father. What a busy office they had but not particularly lucrative.

19:45 Shut up. He had regular regular patient as well.

19:53 Where are up through those years? He was a wonderful father. He loved people but he especially loved children. He was a master Storyteller and he had many children is patience and he used to tell him fabulous stories. Like what? Well, he was in his office. Was it Fifth Avenue 53rd Street and it was very different world wasn't too busy to family wasn't busy thoroughfare. It is today and it was a placement on him every other corner at the end of section and he tell him have your mother bring a big spoon next time and you go to the policeman and ask him for directions to the chocolate ice cream now, but they showed a break your spoon and he'd feel these kids full of such fantastic doors. I'm sure they were disappointed because although the placement new and then would would talk along but it was given such a long and pause.

20:53 Go trip to Todd could never find the truck ice cream asked but he would he made up stories and he saying made up songs. Do you say and it just love children and one of the deepest regrets in my life was he didn't get to know you and he didn't get to know he barely knew your mother. She was 3 months old when she died when he died. How old was he 60 had a massive heart attack and died very suddenly and it was terrible. But when I live where I live now and at the age I am now and see people's suffering. So from terrible diseases, I guess it was

21:36 Kind thing for him hard for us but we had had dinner on at a restaurant on the east side of New York and we couldn't get any transportation to get to the Theater District. This is you and my mother and my sister and the men were in the Army at that time so we know younger man around and we walked across from the East side to the Theater District and it was a terrible windy night. My sister-in-law goddess was with me and it was too cold for us. We would stop and Dory throwaways to walk.

22:12 You know and get out of the wind up my mother and father kept walking and we went to theater and in those days they play the Star Spangled Banner before every performance and everybody stood up.

22:24 And I didn't really notice that my father didn't we sat down and my sister turned to me and said that he's dead. I said you're crazy because he'd been so full of life at dinner, but it had it that's a massive heart attack, but there was never too late to do anything and it was just terrible. What did you do? Well, we took mad they took him to the hospital but he was Dead on Arrival and my mother and I stayed at Claire's house that night and what he was home and we came home we had to tell her he wasn't for years old yet and he would our son bury my son and he was very attached to my father cuz we live with him during the war.

23:10 And he couldn't understand what he was the oldest of the three grandchildren Steve and Elizabeth were clearly children and Woody and Betsy for grandchild putting Betsy over my children and he told him this great story of what a wonderful Grandpa are they had and have 190 went for a big walk in a terribly when and he just blew a way up to heaven. I mean that's a four-year-old's version and

23:44 But he's the only one who really knew Grandpa the other children saw him, but would he lived within and it even has a little child he remembers and I'm so glad that somebody does.

23:59 It sounds like it was.

24:02 Pretty terrible time your husband was away at War this time, right? How many children did you have a new baby? And I had woody woody was almost four.

24:14 And her birth father always thought he was dying, but my boss said I will be here long after I am and

24:24 Herbert and I called her but with my husband are you was up in Alaska that point.

24:29 And we were able to have a telephone call once a week and I called and he said you mean my father and it was a connection was better than no my fault. He said but my father said one of us always sick I said but it was my father who died and another interesting Insight my father and mother and her birth father mother became very dear friends and I always felt that it made my marriage so happy because they like each other so much and they love me Greenberg said me and my father mother loved her but it was just lovely and when we went that night the next day to make funeral arrangements, my father-in-law had been staying to my father two years. Let's plan for the future by which he meant. Let's be buried somewhere together and my father said there's plenty of time for that. He didn't want to talk about it. And of course I never did and when they finished

25:29 Caught which to bury my father my father would have said to the man who is from the cemetery make sure there's a place near there next to it because I love this man so much in life when I die. I want to be right next to him. So he's a little pathway and the Browns are here and I'm one side and the greengrocer right opposite them on the other side. They are together and we will be together at some point and then give us some comfort in that.

26:03 Tell me a little bit more about your father when he was alive. You had you told us a little bit about his stories. I want to hear more of his stories. And I don't know if I can tell you he would make up these crazy songs. I've watched him shave and he would sing between The Strokes of of the razor blade. Do we still have a beard and then he was the blond is a child as I knew when we always had blacks would have pepper and so of hair with a little gray streak, but he had it for one or two years. He had a red Moustache. So when people said you're a pain in your Aunt Susan, where did you get that red hair could say for my Grandpa's mustache and then they break up and Giggles, but it was a truth, but my grandfather also had dog auburn hair so came from both sides of my family.

26:56 But he was a very bright man. He like to read after dinner and get open the book and then bang bang it was through with about that. I said you didn't read that book. He said why do you want to know on page 42 he had a photographic memory and he could read so rapidly and he loved to read wow and it is just spectacular me. How come we didn't get that did anyone get that? Yes, I think Freddy had it. I'm sure Claire had it. I didn't have that. I love to read but I I didn't know I had to take more time than that. And he was a great bridge fire is very keen mine had a great sense of humor. Tell me what what's a good? I don't know. I know there was a lot of laughter in our house and when he had his friends over there, he would he would tell a story and he would get so hysterical. He would cry I would be embarrassed when we were

27:56 Two movies and we go to see a comedian because he would gig of a soul.

28:02 Can you do genuinely enjoy the the the the jokes and pranks so so much that he would just be consumed with laughter and everybody in the stairs in the movie titled turn around and give him he shouldn't be doing that. But he really enjoy that will really enjoy that what was it like to be his daughter. He sounds like he was good at so many things that he had such high expectations. He had high expectations for himself and he sure had them for us if I came home with a paper with 99. It just wasn't good enough and I remember in about the 4th grade going to my teacher and say

28:43 That's all that doesn't think I'm doing well enough. I only got 99 said next time I'll see that you get a hundred and ten cuz I was a good student even the valedictorian today.

28:55 Grade school that I went to how did you know he was disappointed that he couldn't he just thought we'd be Geniuses and we weren't I used to say I'm my brother and sister. I said Greeley were feeding me bright. Certainly Beyond I guess I was right but I was just a normal kind of brightness everyday garden-variety, but he really wanted his children to be today. Did he would he tell you straight out? This isn't good enough. How did he let you know he just let us know try harder. You can do better than that.

29:30 But he loved us very dearly and we knew that but he was strict about what we did and where we went even to a month before my marriage. He wouldn't let me go to Boston with her back to his Best Friend's Wedding because he didn't think it was fitting for unmarried people to travel together or if it was supposed to be an usher at that wedding, but we didn't go he didn't go

29:56 And it sounds strange today. I want to be a social worker, but I didn't go to social work school cuz he he saw what social workers had to do any didn't want that for me.

30:07 They know Tyler was said that they didn't find a way of going and they'd work or they get a scholarship for they find a way to go. But listen to my father and I ended up working in his lab. I said, I'll go back to school and get the necessary training after college. I get the chemical training that I need. I'll work in your lab. I can do it.

30:32 And I did it for a year, but I didn't I didn't stay in college because I would have had to go for another 4 years and my brother said come work with us. I'll teach you what you have to know. And of course I didn't do anything great. I watch bottles or I prepared media for an experiment or something of it. So what and dad has a laboratory at home it convert a garage into a vibrator laboratory then added another room. In fact, when that room with finish that swear every night to spend our first three months of our marriage because Herbert traveling a lot and his business

31:07 And then I have to persuade we rented a house you've told so many great stories about your father and I wondered especially with things like not going to social work school. Do you have any regrets or other request I made up for it when you asked what my what kind of work I did. I said professional volunteer and that's what I was that really was a form of social work. I did some regular one-on-one volunteer work, but I was always an executive.

31:40 Position somehow or other end in a place where spend experimental things were doing and I could use my brain to find solutions for problems that you know where social problem set patients Mad World universal healthcare needed and so I had a great, you know, I had a great fulfillment in that and

32:03 In today's world, I'd you know, it's better. I never learned a dollar but I really had an influence in spite of that and I'm grateful for that and I think I've told you I think we talked about that in the last when I don't want to talk about paying this one but those things where it's certainly an influence for my father that I went to the hospital today to do my volunteer work and not to some other kind of organization. I'm sure that was influenced by that and I did say I didn't study social work cuz they didn't have a major to Delphi in that just came in my last year, but I would have gotten it, you know through that. So I had some professional background there. Are there are there more stories about your parents that you wanted to include in. Your birthday was always at the storage of everything. They were always the organizers of anything that went on. They had many friends. Our house was always full of company.

33:01 Mother's Sunday night swerve fabulous. If it's always open house people with just drop in and you never knew who would be at the table for Sunday night supper and they were scientists and they were neighbors and they were kids my friends my sisters and brothers friends. It was just nice people wanted to be with your house like

33:23 If it's expandable, it wasn't such a large has but we have a lot of grand summer was great for parties because they my father was a great barbecuer and they would you know, everybody would come and they would cook steaks outside. And my mother was a Fabulous Baker known for her baking and everybody loved to come to our parties and used it and attain the medical students degree from Cornell from the

33:50 Graduating class every year they always had their graduation party at our house. And so why you don't because Jose with those people growing up, but there were always people from all over the world came to see my father. So we

34:07 Have we had a lot of experience in those days it was not many black people in the professional field, but there were there were some and they were to our house for dinner and knows nothing special. They were colonies of Labor so you can say where was my father and they've we met all those people a lot of well-known people travel to her house and it was injured and my mother was cooking up a storm. Nothing. Nothing fazed her. My father's people came in. My father would call my mother. And say so and so is here from California to here from London. I told him to come and have dinner with it. And of course it was always a marvelous dinner would bring that person to have dinner with us. Do you ever remember your parents not getting along or or or ocean where my mother was not a great manager of finances. She knew what to have in the house and white but

35:05 She wasn't so prompt and paying bills and it would bother my father Charlie they all got paid and she would just sort of stick on the side. I think that's everything they ever really just agree to that and maybe she would have with softer with us. He was very soft and tender step if we did something he didn't like how would he react if you was going off sailing with a friend who's bothering you very well. I saw nothing wrong in that but he didn't think a 16 year old girl should go out alone and sailboat with boy and I argued with him so much I got whacked on my fanny. How old are you 16 there is no behavior that was abused I guess but he was very protective.

35:52 Found it. But but he was that was the only time we really got outrageous. Did you think did you go on the site? Which way do I go?

36:05 How can I go after that?

36:11 I know we have just a little bit of time left was they didn't talk about the greenbergs at all. I didn't get to the greenbergs. We I think we have about 5 minutes left. So I can't tell you much except that they too were very exceptional people. They neither of them went to college. They would very bright. They help Stewart.

36:33 Maimonides Hospital which was code is real sign in that day.

36:39 It was so such an amateur production that Grandma purchase all the sheets and linens for the hospital through the women's auxiliary. She used to supply the hospital with that Grandma Jenny Greenberg. She was head of The Sisterhood of her congregation. They were both active in their synagogue and in Brooklyn on I don't remember the name of the street, but it was like being on the Lower East Side there were many pushcart Peddlers Orthodox Jews and they had many children and Grandma had heard about a remarkable woman Margaret Sanger this in 1924.

37:21 Do we speaking of birth control? I got talk fast. She arranged for her to come to the temple and give electric to the women, and she said I will bring these women so they can hear you and they can learn that they don't have to have a baby every year.

37:39 Can you imagine a Jewish woman in 1924 thinking like that and morning to extend that knowledge to someone else? How did that how did that go over? Well, I was talking to everybody but I'm sure they they learned the lesson I learned where to go to get help. She also never missed an opportunity to go to a lecture and learn and she lived in 99 and she was still learning still going to lectures because it was something she hadn't known before quite remarkable.

38:14 And Grandpa

38:17 Anthony went to the 8th grade, but he was had a keen mind and he went this is your husband's father husband's father starred at rolling cigars. That was his first job, but then somehow they got into the shirt business and with his brothers, they started a business. They couldn't have many employees cuz they couldn't afford them. So we used to bring the collars and cuffs. I'm a Boy Scout shirts bring the collars and cuffs home and his wife Jenny would sell them up on your sewing machine. How big how big do that business eventually become? Well they had for Grayslake employed thousands of people and they were the number one in the boy shirt business. So it was really quite quite a bit since he was was known in the industry is the most honest man. You didn't have to write a contract. You just had a handshake and you knew that Charlie Greenberg put on or whatever.

39:12 Rain, since you made I know you wanted to devote this interview specifically to talking about your parents and in her birth parents, even though we didn't get to talk much about them. Is there just to wrap things up. Is there any

39:27 One thing about them that you really that really struck you that made you who you are today. What you think is important of all the parents grandparents or whereabouts of mine will I know you really really wanted to talk about them. So what was it about them, but they was so so loving and so helpful and so understanding their ways we're slightly different from ours because we were reform Jews and they were conservative and they were kosher and we would not

39:59 But they respected us and they saw that our children with learning more about who they were then their children and understanding it better and when we had to have Saturday school because we didn't have room for all the children on Sunday first grandma said that's terrible. They shouldn't write on send it on Saturday. But when those grandchildren grew up, she said my grandchildren, is there more than either you were Herbert learned when you were growing up.

40:26 They were open people and they were willing to learn and was very loving.

40:32 Grandpa Charlie took care of all the relatives on every side. He sent nephew's to medical school. He paid for the weddings of nieces and he just did it is

40:44 Sudley is he could without being overbearing about it. He just was there to take care of everybody remarkable. Its employees loved him and if they were wonderful people to know.

41:01 Thanks. Anyway, you have a good Heritage care. That's good to know. Thank you very much. Thanks for interviewing me. I love you. Love you, too.