Harry Nussdorf and Babette Albin

[00:02] HARRY NUSSDORF: Hi, my name is Harry Nussdorf I'm a senior citizen, a septuagenarian living in Queens, New York. Today is Friday, June 11, 2021, when we're making this recording, and I'm going to be interviewed by my life partner, Babette Albin. We have known each other for 57 years, married for 47 years, and we actually met through involvement in voting and the civil rights movement in the 60s.

[00:38] BABETTE ALBIN: Hi. Well, I'm Babette and my last name is different from Harry. My last name is Albin.

[00:45] HARRY NUSSDORF: Yeah, our first names are different also.

[00:47] BABETTE ALBIN: Right. So we've kind of trailblazers and we live in New York, and we basically lived in New York for our whole lives, but our children have flown the coop. So right now, a lot of our time is spent communicating with our kids online. And it's a different way of living. We do have one that's a holdover and still living with us, which I'm happy about. So, Harry, why is voting so important to our family?

[01:24] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, I mean. Well, for one thing, our family wouldn't exist if not for voting, because we met each other through the civil rights movement, through voter registration drives, through the political activism of the 1960s, and the different movements that we were involved in. I mean, voting is, to us is like a basic part of human life. It's a basic part of society. And to me, it would be inconceivable not to vote. I have. I know I have voted on every single opportunity since I was eligible to vote, which back in those days, you had to be 21 to vote. Now they. Now, since the 26th amendment, voting starts at age 18. But I remember when I was 21, on my birthday, I registered to vote. And in those days, that was very difficult. They did not make it easy. I had to actually go to the Board of Elections. There's only one location in the county. You had to go there physically. You had to present identification, you had to fill out forms and be approved. Now it's a lot simpler, a lot easier. And to me, it's inconceivable that anybody does not vote. It's a basic human right. There was such a part of human struggle to achieve the right to vote. It's important that everybody exercise it. I would say, since I have never missed an opportunity to vote, whether a general election, a primary election, a special election, a school board election, I've probably voted way more than 100 times, maybe even 200 times, but I've never missed an opportunity.

[03:17] BABETTE ALBIN: Yeah, and the primary process is something that Harry really is involved in voting, making sure we vote in the primaries. Now, the state that we come from is basically a Democratic state. So the primary is very important because it really determines who the next office holder is going to be. So we definitely vote in the primaries. That's like a critical thing. But I just want to point something out. Now. When we got married 47 years ago, I thought I would use a hyphenated name, my name and Harry's name. And then I filled out the forms, and I got back a card from the voter registration bureau that gave me my last name as an initial and put Harry's name as my name. And I'm like, wow, how did I just get an A instead of a hyphenated name? So at that point, that was the point where I actually decided, I'm going to keep my name. So it was the voter registration card that decided that I was going to be dropping my name and putting it into an initial. And I had to assert myself. And I think that assertion is really important for women to do.

[04:38] HARRY NUSSDORF: Very important. One of the things I said both to Babette, when I was trying to encourage her to keep her own name and her own identity and when I would explain it to people, because back in 1973, it wasn't as common as accepted. It is now, I would say, you know, I didn't change my name and she didn't change her name.

[05:00] BABETTE ALBIN: But. And the attitude behind it is that Harry was sort of being patronizing. That's how I interpreted it. But it had to come from me. That decision had to come from me, which ultimately it did. Now, our kids, they were born into a family where voting. They heard the mythology and the story about how Harry. I called up Harry. I think Harry wanted me to tell the story. So Harry and I knew each other in high school. We were involved with voter registration and citywide integration of basically segregated schools. Even in New York City, the schools were rather segregated. And so we were doing protest demonstrations as young teenagers. And then years passed by. Harry went his way, I went my way. And at one point during a campaign for a presidential campaign, 1972. 1972, I called him up and I invited him to resume what we had done before, which was campaigning. And he said, yeah, sure. And we met at the Flushing office. And we get into the office and everybody's saying, hi, Harry, here's your desk. I'm like, what are you talking about? Turns out Harry was like, co chairman of the local campaign office. I'm like, darn it, I Think I struck gold. I thought we were just going to be running around.

[06:36] HARRY NUSSDORF: She invited me. She wanted to go down to this campaign office, but didn't want to go alone. And we had. We'd fallen out of touch because we knew each other a lot during high school, but we went to separate colleges, so she didn't want to go alone. So she calls long time later. Yeah, so she calls me up and says she wants to go to this campaign office. Would I come with her? So I said, sure. You know, we met on the street and walked into this office, but she didn't realize that I was the head of the office.

[07:04] BABETTE ALBIN: He was a known quantity by the other people and he's introduced me to these people. But, you know, that was just one of many non disclosures that Harry did. So. And as far as our ancestors, to me coming here, we were born. And our parents, except his dad was an immigrant, but my parents were born here. So writing, voting was a given. Right? You're definitely going to vote. But the business of protesting was something that really came of age during the 60s when Harry and I were in school, we were actually in the same high school the day that President Kennedy was shot. So like we remember, I was in the cafeteria. Where were you?

[07:54] HARRY NUSSDORF: I was in a social studies class when the principal came over. The PA system.

[07:59] BABETTE ALBIN: Right. A loudspeaker announcement. And it was like a shock to us all. And we knew that whatever participation we had before was going to be increased because we knew at that point our country was in trouble if the President couldn't even be safe in Texas. And all sorts of conspiracy theories were going on. But Harry and I knew right then and there, along with fortunately millions of other young people, that the times were changing and we were going to be a part of that change.

[08:38] HARRY NUSSDORF: I mean, I had been as politically active as a junior high school, later a high school student could be. I mean, back in the 60s, New York was a state that was in play. Now it's not a state in play. There's not really that much campaigning in New York. But I remember meeting John F. Kennedy in 1960 when he was running for president because New York was a state in play. It could go either way in those days. And so presidential candidates came to New York and would campaign here. I saw him at two campaign rallies, one in Manhattan, one in Queens. And at the campaign rally in Queens, I was able to actually shake hands with him, which is not something that's done these days.

[09:30] BABETTE ALBIN: And even from the time Harry was 12 and I was 13 like we were on the trail, we were making waves.

[09:39] HARRY NUSSDORF: We joined the civil rights movement, I'd say, I guess 1962 or so, when we. When we were in high school. And even though both of us were not yet old enough to vote, we would go to South Jamaica, which was a black section, low income section of Queens, to try and encourage and assist people in registering to vote, where we'd be knocking on doors and trying to talk people into registering to vote. And many of these were people because they were from minority communities which society had discouraged from voting and made it difficult to vote. I had to try to explain to people how important it was that they vote, that they see to it that their community is represented. And explained to them. In those days there were literacy tests. And I would go over what the literacy test was and show them how they would have to take this test and pass it, what the procedure was, and how they would have to go to register and such and try and convince them that this was very important for them as an individual and for their community to have representation.

[10:51] BABETTE ALBIN: As a matter of fact, last year, during the census, my son participated as a census worker. And I've done poll working, meaning on the day of voting, being there and signing people and facilitating the voting process. But one of the things that was so striking about our son being involved in the Census Bureau was he was sent to different. The projects. It's called the projects. They're basically segregated neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Bronx. He had to explain to people who many of them were afraid to. First of all, it was in the middle of COVID so it was a tough time to even get into the building. And he was at personal risk for himself to be there. But he had to explain that by counting yourself as a person, you were adding to the role, adding to the power of the state, the distribution of funds, and also for. For building roads and schools and hospitals. And he did that, and he was able to convince people who were very reluctant to go on the record because of citizenship or whatever issues there were.

[12:09] HARRY NUSSDORF: Or distrust of government.

[12:11] BABETTE ALBIN: Distrust of government, big time. And so I was really proud of his efforts.

[12:18] HARRY NUSSDORF: We were very proud.

[12:19] BABETTE ALBIN: Yeah. But it made sense, though, because this is where he came. This is where he came from. So the voting process, it's kind of like a nuclear reaction, and it just spreads out and affects the society. And it's very powerful. It's a very powerful tool.

[12:42] HARRY NUSSDORF: I mean, something. I mean, I remember my father was an immigrant. He was born in Eastern Europe. He never had an opportunity to vote in Eastern Europe. Nobody in his family had ever voted. They weren't given the opportunity to vote. As far as I know, none of my ancestors, whether my father or my mother's parents who came from Eastern Europe or any of their forebearers had ever voted in Europe. The first time anybody in my family was ever able to vote was when they came to this country and they saw being given the right to vote, being treated with dignity and respect, which they did not get in Europe, as something practically sacred and something that was very important, very much something that should be done. And we tried to instill this in our children when we would go to vote in person, which up until recently, that's the only way you could vote. When our children were very little, they would come with us to the polling station. They would come into the voting booth with us as babies, as babies being carried in there before they could walk and stand up on their own.

[14:01] BABETTE ALBIN: Whether they liked it or not, they.

[14:03] HARRY NUSSDORF: Would come in with us and we would make it a family activity where Babette and I would go to the polling place together and bring our children with us and have them come into the voting booth with us so that they would learn this is something that is very important, something that one does.

[14:21] BABETTE ALBIN: Yes. And I wanted to point to pick up on something that Harry said earlier, because I think maybe people don't realize that young people don't realize that there was a gap between an 18 year old who was eligible and sometimes drafted into the army and not being able to vote. So I'd like, Harry, could you talk a little bit about how that happened and perhaps maybe even talking about demonstrations that people were being sent to Vietnam, being killed overseas, and never even had a chance to vote.

[15:00] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, I mean, a weird anomaly until the adoption of the 26th Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1971, you had the situation where young men were called upon to serve in the military of the country, required to register for the draft at age 18, often called upon to serve in the military, possibly even dying in the military, yet were not allowed to vote because they weren't eligible to vote until they were 21. So there were people who were killed, whether it was in Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, whatever, would die in service, but were not granted the right to vote or have any say in deciding on the policies of the country.

[15:57] BABETTE ALBIN: Okay, so that's why what I said, the power of the vote is that by being granted that power, it didn't just happen. It happened because people realized an injustice was being done and had to be corrected. So that whole process of change occurs in the ballot box, on the streets, with the various pressure groups. And there's a very fine line between chaos and change. And sometimes there has to be some sort of a galvanizing effort where people are propelled. And sometimes it just takes one incident and that does it. And you never know. You could be going along and everything is, like, stuck and you can't get through, and then suddenly it opens up to you. And Harry and I think were very fortunate in being there at a time where we felt that our voices mattered and we were involved in civil rights. Singing, chanting the songs. It was really almost a religious, spiritual experience to be involved there, Even though through the course of the marriage, there's lots of things to just get distracted working. Harry was working as an attorney for the city of New York for over 30 years.

[17:30] HARRY NUSSDORF: That.

[17:31] BABETTE ALBIN: That is a. You know, that's a big commitment of time. I had. I was working for the city as a teacher at one point. So it pulls you apart, you know, we used to call our marriage the pony Express, because when one person would come home, the other person would leave. When Harry was in law school, I was teaching in a school. It was like, hey, Harry, do you have time for dinner? And I used to have to bring the food to the car so that he could go to night school. Many times actually went to the school and sat in the back of the classroom with him just so that I could see my husband. Because in the beginning of a marriage, you want to hang out together. Forget dating, the dating.

[18:16] HARRY NUSSDORF: We never really actually dated. We would just go to demonstrations together.

[18:19] BABETTE ALBIN: Exactly. That was like our date. You know, you couldn't. I wouldn't really say I'm going on a date with Harry, but we knew that we were going to meet up and we were going to get together.

[18:28] HARRY NUSSDORF: And we started with the civil rights movement in the mid-60s, which drifted towards the anti war movement, anti war peace movement during the later 60s and 70s. And we were very much involved in political activism. And part of the strand of political activism that we were involved with was more towards encouraging people to exercise their rights as citizens, to use the vote and to make things count. So that was part of what we were doing. In fact, one of the things I feel very proud of. I mentioned before about the 26th Amendment when the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18. When that went into effect, I was student body president at Queens College, and I organized a voter registration drive on campus because you have all these thousands of college Students, almost all of whom were between the ages of 18 and 21, were not registered. And so I organized an on campus registration drive. And I was told at the time that it was the largest single number of people who were registered to vote in New York in one day. At that time. It may have been eclipsed. Since then.

[20:04] BABETTE ALBIN: Well, let me, let me clarify, you know, the number of students that were enrolled at the, at just at our campus, Queens College. Care to guess? Anybody? 45,000 students. 45,000. So when Harry says. And then they were all, mostly they were all 18 and over. So that means tens of thousands people registered and they literally set up, they came to the campus.

[20:38] HARRY NUSSDORF: In those days, it was more difficult to register to vote. You had to fill out a registration form in person at a voting location and it had to be witnessed and signed by two inspectors. So what I convinced the New York City Board of Elections to do is to deputize me and various other people from the campus as election inspectors and to set up a satellite office in the cafeteria at the college campus. And we had tables there and we had publicity ahead of time and people got online and registered. And the first day, I still remember this, the first day we had 22,274 people registered in one day, which they said at that time, I don't know if this has been eclipsed. That was the largest number of people registered in one day in New York City. Now it's a lot simpler, it's a lot easier. They have the motor voter where you can just fill out a card and mail it in. But it was more difficult in those days. And if people had to jump through hoops, I wanted to make sure that it was that they were going to.

[21:47] BABETTE ALBIN: Get out of the other side, that.

[21:48] HARRY NUSSDORF: The hoops were there and we help people jump through them.

[21:52] BABETTE ALBIN: Yeah. So when we see what's going on today, it's heartbreaking. The polarization in the country is heartbreaking. But remember, it's the electoral process that brings people together so that they can have a forum. The Congress is meeting and arguing, discussing, debating. And by the way, we're watching those debates for our primary elections. Our children are calling in from various parts of the world. Australia, we've got Canada, we've got a daughter in Los Angeles who's also very involved in community activities. And even the daughter in Canada, she is, her husband said she's galvanizing the community. That's what you do.

[22:46] HARRY NUSSDORF: We have four children. Only one of them, our youngest, still lives here in New York. Daughter Number one lives in Australia. Daughter number two lives in Canada. And every year I make sure to have their absentee ballots sent to them so that they can still vote even though they're non residents, they vote by absentee ballot. Daughter number three lives in Los Angeles. Since that's within the United States, she registers out of where she lives in Los Angeles, but she's also very, very politically involved there. Oh, yeah, she knows her local elected officials and more important, they know her. They know her by name. One of the things I always tell people, particularly when I talk to younger people, it's important that you know who your elected representatives are, but it's even more important that they know who you are.

[23:43] BABETTE ALBIN: Okay, so Harry, as far as this discussion goes, we've covered our ancestors, our children and ourselves. Where would you like to take this conversation now? Let's see some of the possibilities. What is one of the most memorable experiences you had? Campaigning. And I'll try and think of that too.

[24:09] HARRY NUSSDORF: I'm just thinking, I mean, I've worked in so many campaigns. Well, in 1968, I got clean for Jane. That was during the whole anti war movement. And Gene McCarthy, who was a senator from Minnesota, was challenging Lyndon Johnson, who was the incumbent president, in the primaries.

[24:34] BABETTE ALBIN: Now, what does it mean to get clean for Jean? Were you dirty before? What did that involve? Describe actually what your hair looked like before you got cleaned for Jean.

[24:48] HARRY NUSSDORF: The phrase clean for Jean was because they needed young people to go to New Hampshire because in those days New Hampshire held the first primary, the first contest, and try and convince people in New Hampshire to vote against the incumbent president of their own party in the primary and to vote for somebody that they probably never heard of before, a senator from Minnesota who was running on an anti war platform. And they knew that.

[25:19] BABETTE ALBIN: But what did your hair look like?

[25:21] HARRY NUSSDORF: They knew that the people in New Hampshire were not going to be favorably impressed by a bunch of hippies from.

[25:28] BABETTE ALBIN: New York, New York hippies.

[25:29] HARRY NUSSDORF: And although I thought it was very nice that my hair came down below my armpits, they figured I had to look more middle class, respectable, and blend in with the new hat sensibilities. So I had to shear my locks, get a crew cut, be clean shaven, dress conservatively, no, no beads, no peace symbols. And he got stand on street corners handing out leaflets, knock on doors and explain to people why the New Hampshire primary that year was so important and why they had to send a message. And the big issue basically was the war in Vietnam. Are we going to do this or are we Going to stop this.

[26:22] BABETTE ALBIN: Okay. What was the outcome of your work?

[26:25] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, I don't know. I wouldn't say it's my outcome. It wasn't me. The outcome of all of us doing there was that Gene McCarthy did so well in the primary, winning 42% of the vote against an incumbent of his president, that within a week Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not run for re election. I actually forgot that he pulled out of the race. So it very much had an effect on the outcome. Uh oh, who got in? Well, unfortunately what happened is it was.

[27:09] BABETTE ALBIN: A little snappy boo there.

[27:11] HARRY NUSSDORF: I mean it was a tumultuous year, 1968. I personally never thought that McCarthy was really going to get the nomination. But what I thought would happen is that Bobby Kennedy would see that it was now possible that Lyndon Johnson was vulnerable and Bobby Kennedy would get in. And I thought he would might have a chance of getting the nomination. And he did announce as soon as Johnson withdrew, Bobby Kennedy announced that he was running as an anti war candidate. But Hubert Humphrey, who was Lyndon Johnson's Vice President, announced that he was running for the nomination. Unfortunately, Bobby Kennedy was shot on June 6th of that year and things just pretty much collapsed, fell apart. Hubert Humphrey wound up getting the nomination even though he had not won a single primary at all, not one. And so the election in 68 was between Hubert Humphrey as the Democratic candidate and Richard Nixon as the Republican candidate. What I thought was a mistake on my part, what I now consider to be a mistake on my part. But at that time I was so turned off to Humphrey because of his association with Johnson and because of the way there was a police riot at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

[28:47] BABETTE ALBIN: Stop for a minute. This is part of that whole political process that we're talking about, the voting process. Harry, I want you to stop everything and just spend a little time talking about the Democratic National Convention of 1968.

[29:05] HARRY NUSSDORF: Yes, okay. The Democratic National Convention of 68. Most of the delegates took place. It took place in Chicago. Most of the delegates were not selected in primaries, but were selected by the party bosses in their respective states. Humphrey did not win a single primary and yet the party bosses anointed him as the Democratic candidate. Many protesters came to the streets of, myself included, came to the streets of Chicago to protest. The police clamped down on the demonstrators, tear gassing us, beating us. And because of the way things happened at the convention, I refused to vote for Humphrey, which I now think was a mistake. At the time I felt I cannot vote for this guy and enable the Election of Richard Nixon. By 1972. I was elected as a delegate to the 1972 Democratic convention, which was held in Miami Beach. And I was now on the inside fighting for the right platform and for the right principles, not just being on the outside demonstrating in the street.

[30:27] BABETTE ALBIN: Wait a minute. So you attended this 1968 convention on the outside without being invited as an outsider, as what they used to call an outside agitator?

[30:40] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, actually, my first political convention was 1964. The 1964 Democratic National Convention was in Atlantic City.

[30:49] BABETTE ALBIN: Oh, my God, I forgot that. But I forgot about that.

[30:55] HARRY NUSSDORF: I had been involved in the civil rights movement as I. I was doing civil rights work down south during the summer of six, the freedom summer of 1964, and then went to the Democratic Convention in Atlantic City in 1964. In those days, there was no real security. And so I could pick it outside, but also go inside and attend the convention.

[31:19] BABETTE ALBIN: Want to tell them about Humphrey's phone?

[31:21] HARRY NUSSDORF: No, that was 72, but so I was. I mean, he did a little crazy evangelism. It's probably hard for some younger people to imagine what it was like in those days when you could just walk in, basically walking off the street, get into the convention and attend it. Particularly if you're a young kid and you look somewhat innocent. I actually. My hair was short because you had to do civil rights work. I had get clean and look. And not look like a hippie. So I attended Lyndon Johnson's birthday party because his birthday was August 28th. I forgot that. And they had his birthday. So they had his birthday party during the convention. And I was able to gate. Crash, get inside.

[32:06] BABETTE ALBIN: But were you in college at that point?

[32:08] HARRY NUSSDORF: No, high school. So my first political convention was 68. I mean, it was set in 64. 68. I was protesting outside the street. I wasn't able to crash that one, but by seven, because that was heavily guarded. That was heavily guarded by 72. Because I was involved politically, very much politically. I was elected as a delegate, so as a delegate to the 72 political convention. But, you know, both of us have always been involved in. In politics, social activism, things such as that. And we've encouraged our children to have social consciousness and realize that being involved and saying what you have to say and letting it be known, having an influence on society, on the world, is just part of our makeup, part of what you have to do, part of being a person, a responsible citizen.

[33:07] BABETTE ALBIN: But I just. We don't have too much time left here. Maybe that 10 minutes left or so. So what I want to speak to is this great chasm, polarization in the country and how we can. Because when you constantly talk about your point of view, you sort of shut out other people's points of view. And we have to figure out a way of breaking down the walls between these sides, both sides, because people are just going to get disenfranchised and say, forget it, I'm not going to vote it out. Politics is dirty. I don't want any part in it. How are we going to encourage the next generation to even try to even. Not just to vote, but to become, to get even elected, to be involved in it. When being in the White House is like having a big target on your back, you know, I mean, here's Biden at the age of 78, like holding stuff up. I don't know how he has. And I think part of the reason why he's able to do this is he's been in the system for so long, he has a lot of allies out there, even across the aisle, which is very important. We have to figure out a way of reaching across the aisle so that we're just not talking like a husband and wife that don't talk to each other. You have to find a way of doing that. Can you have any ideas about how the voting process can be turned into something more joyous as opposed to mind and there and them we, you know, how can we become us instead of the separateness?

[35:03] HARRY NUSSDORF: In pre Covid times, I spent a lot of time on a college campus. I'm retired now. And instead of sitting back and doing nothing, I take classes at Queens College. And in pre Covid time, I would be physically on campus and physically in contact with a lot of college students, young people of college age. And I would talk to them about telling them what things were like a half a century ago when I was an undergrad and try and convince them why it is so important for them to participate in the electoral process, to participate in the system, to let them realize that the government is theirs, they should work to make sure it was responsible to them and is the government that they want and that listens to them.

[35:58] BABETTE ALBIN: But even with the getting together, because it's New York and there's such a multicultural society here, one of the things that we as Jewish people, which is our religion and it's our history, our origins, we try to be inclusive and to Harry, I know, gets involved in Arab studies and Arab events and, you know. You want to talk a little bit about that?

[36:28] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, I mean, as Babette mentioned we're both of Jewish ethnicity and Jews have only been able to survive in areas that are open, that are democratic, that are non repressive. And so we've received so much from this country. We want to give back and be part of this country. It's such a.

[36:55] BABETTE ALBIN: But what happens now when the immigration has become such a polarizing issue in this country? People are saying, oh, you know, put borders around us, don't let the immigrants come in. The immigrants are bad. How do you react when that happens?

[37:11] HARRY NUSSDORF: I said the same thing about my father, my grandfather. I mean, I remember once talking on campus with this young Muslim woman and I mentioned that she was my grandfather. She looked at me, what? And I said, no, you know, it's the same, the same things are being said to your people that were said to my people.

[37:32] BABETTE ALBIN: And his father was a young guy, he was a teenager when he came here.

[37:42] HARRY NUSSDORF: I mean, it's the same story, just the different names, different shades, but different languages, different cultures.

[37:50] BABETTE ALBIN: But I think part of the issue that we're faced today is that democracy is something that we as a nation have lived with. That's it. America started incorporated as a democratic nation. Other nations around the world have not.

[38:06] HARRY NUSSDORF: Well, I think democracy is more the aspiration than the actuality, but it's an aspiration that I think we have to work towards and struggle towards. Because if you want to achieve it, you have to work to have it happen. It doesn't happen by itself. Freedom isn't free is an old saying.

[38:27] BABETTE ALBIN: Yeah, well, I, I just want to say to you, Harry, you know.

[38:33] HARRY NUSSDORF: It'S.

[38:34] BABETTE ALBIN: Been a long haul, but it's been fun. We've known each other for 57 years, actually. We're, we're, you know, we're in our 70s now, and I, I think that we feel like we've been privileged to be a part of this process to. And, and it's, it's something that when we're, when we're as old as Biden is, you know, hopefully we'll still be active like that. And I look up to the people who have clarity and who, who acknowledge, hey, I'm not Superman or Superwoman.

[39:08] HARRY NUSSDORF: You're not? I thought you were.

[39:10] BABETTE ALBIN: Thank you. No, but the, the process involves not just two people. It's not a figurehead here. We're not talking about a king and a queen. We're talking about people who are working to represent us. And it may seem unbelievable to think that one vote counts, but it's probably the most important possession that you have your vote.

[39:40] HARRY NUSSDORF: I agree. Very much. So. Thank you. Well said. Thank you.