Jad Elchahal and Ryan King

00:04 My name is Jad alcohol and I'm 22 years old on today is Thursday, July 27th, 2021. And I'm in Atlanta. Georgia, speaking with my friend and roommate Ryan King.

00:18 And I'm Ryan King. I'm 23 years old. It is July 27th. I am speaking to my good friend jetall from Minneapolis today.

00:29 Ryan. I've never done anything like this outside. What? It's kind of fitting to that kind of the first time the first time that were speaking again, since I visited you in Atlanta is on the storycorps, Atlanta.

00:47 Audio recording like how funny is that? It almost seems perfect. It's it's like it's like the opportunity to perfectly summarize. The trip that you had and that was your first time in Atlanta. If I'm if I remember correctly. Yes, long-time fan, first-time visitor. It was really great to finally see the city and, you know, we've been talking about it for the last kind of year, is this this beacon on the hill, through all the uncertainty that has been this last, you know, 12, 14 months, and the fact we actually made it happen and I think it's more impressive than we give ourselves credit for. I mean, it,

01:28 No, we're good. We were busy people and just pulled the trigger and booking a flight is like, hell. Yes, we did it. And it was, I mean, as I told you in one of my all-time favorite trips, I mean, plenty of reasons and I feel the same way. I feel like we, we got to see it all really end in just over such a short period of time, to which I think, is it really impressive that you came in on Friday? And then we met up with some friends and then later on, Saturday and Sunday. We filled our trip with hikes and visit to historical sites. I feel like you got the whole from Stone Mountain to the museums and historical sites that we saw and all the good food. I feel like you saw the whole, the whole array of everything, the city has to offer, the traffic will be made, sure to include that Natalie traffic, but I believe that Williams cheesesteaks deserve preservation in the historical record exactly what we're doing.

02:28 A service by inserting them into exact of historical record during Shrine tattooed on History. Just so delicious. I was going to say, this is the first time are ridiculous. Ramblings are given any sort of significance, which is, this is new for us. It is. And of course, we talk about things that we that we talked a lot about doing and I are finally getting around to him and his ramblings have been going on for years and then sold it to memorialize those like you said that's special to I think they picks up in in movie frequency, right? In March, when are locked out again, and I we are living together and we we had come back from visiting her going to Arizona with Nick and Nick and Tom. And we we got back to the apartment and they cancelled school for another week and then another week and they

03:28 I was kind of on this day-by-day basis and we got news that school would be online and we would go on walks everyday multiple times a day off, sometimes. I think that's one of the ramblings truly picked up in force. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It was your, you really take me back to a distinctly different era. I mean, it, it's funny. I don't know about you, but that feels so long ago now.

03:53 And I mean, it literally was over a year ago, which is kind of insane. I think I've I think I've understood that now that we've been graduated from college for a year, but that, that journey to accept. That was a lot harder when you graduate in a pandemic and the last in a month and a half of what's supposed to be the best month and a half of your senior year is just online. And, you know, you try and try and convince yourself to listen to dr. Richard weitz, two-and-a-half-hour Google audio lectures, and then you don't, and that was all my God. And

04:32 And now we're here. It's it's it's amazing. Life is

04:35 Unrecognizable. Thank God. But

04:41 Oh, yeah, it was it was completely completely different in so many ways and your doctor White's lectures that he didn't have. You could just pause it and play it. You couldn't scroll on the, on the audio and that was just so much stuff, but you're right and like to combine a time that is already so confusing, an emotional and being mean at the end of a, of a four-year long journey in school to combine that with all the confusing.

05:15 Everything that was confused. I was happening and all the everything. I was emotional that came with the covid-19. Pandemic was it was a really interesting combination. I think was a combination that kind of tattoo the moment in history for me is. And I'm I'm not going to be able to forget it exactly how I felt. You know, when we were in that moment conversation we were referring to they were so charged with with uncertainty and confusion.

05:45 I was still trying to decide where to go to school for nowhere to go to law school for the next year. And you were in the midst of your job. Search. Everything was up in the air. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, as you lay that out, I exit. Yeah, I think back to how, we just emotionally charged that time was for somebody up for so many reasons, not even a once-in-a-century global pandemic. And it's so interesting to think about, in the time, we were living through this. Crushing it combination of emotions. We are very much living in the emotional and now it's interesting to a year removed from that first kind of onslaught looking back and it from a little bit more but, you know, the story with you as you if you will.

06:38 How we really lived through something. So historic and also kind of a paradigm shift in a way. You look at how life has changed since that last March, and how life is not certain aspects of Life are not going back. I mean, think about now like,

06:58 Get a remote school was Unthinkable remote. Work was Unthinkable before March of 2020. If someone Works full-time, remotely full-time was almost got to give him a sideways glance like you do. Like, how do you do that? And now everyone does it, you know, where we're in a virtual recording booth for god sakes, like to to have seen that. Of time. Both from living in an emotionally to looking back on it, observation Ali that kind of just jumped into my head. I think it's super interesting and on top of that, you know, I think there's in just in life, in general is so seldom. Can you do something happen? And then you can already tell that there's been a change, a change has often really slow and the fact that

07:46 The fact that the change that we experienced a year-and-a-half ago was so rapid that we're already seeing the results of it is something, but striking you in and of itself and do you think I'm thinking about change in general, is a result of the pandemic to feel like you've you've changed anyways, but you grown or had a different perspective on things.

08:09 Absolutely. I mean, I think

08:11 This is, yeah, I mean so much change over the last year and it's in the I'm trying to think about how to best in caps like that you do for me.

08:21 I think one of the biggest ways that I changed and

08:26 I'm not heard since you're like, I think part of this is Cobra Department, was it? But I think I really spent a lot more time, kind of exploring my queer identity and just like, queer culture and queer history and all of that and I think that was a two-fold thing. I think on one hand, part of that was graduating college, you know, Creighton.

08:51 So many great friends at Creighton and the train was such a great Community, but it was definitely a very there's not a lot of like we're culture at Creighton that it was, you know, it in Omaha, Nebraska. So I think there's bad. And once I was out of that and then with a pandemic and I'm just sitting at home and my parents house, you know, no job. No Prospect, nothing to do.

09:17 And I think one of the places that I turned, so I think I think that's one of the biggest areas. Oddly enough that I changed and grown since the last year was in a kind of, like, how I

09:31 How I Live my queer identity and how I engage has it in the world around me.

09:38 Do you feel like that's, you know, you mentioned the community at Creighton. Do you feel like looking onto on to VCU? Are you feeling like you're? Are you eager to, to find a community of BC? You were Richmond? That has a hole.

09:53 I really am. You know, what's funny? I was.

09:56 I can merge with the week before, I think it's blue before I visited you in Atlanta. My mom and I went down to Richmond to tour VCU, my incoming grad school program and we were walk. We went to a fantastic dinner at Essex seafood dinner and we're walking home and it's like 8:30, you know, the night is still young and the hotel had a rooftop bar that we've been to Forest Lake. Ellis. Looks like walk back and we'll go back up to the roof.

10:32 And little check with color we go in and of course, it's the gay bar and silver. We just says, like it's the gay bar on like a Thursday night.

10:43 At like 8:30, so we just popping just just busy but it wasn't busy dinner at the bar like an hour and a half or two and said I was really find. That was like

11:01 A space that.

11:03 You know, I didn't have much experience with other than the max in Omaha. We will give her her due, I'm very excited to kind of that and I've been able to do that Minneapolis to the last like, 2 or 3 months. It's as life is kind of retard of

11:23 Oh, yeah, I'm just I'm very much. I'll be out. Looking forward to continuing to explore that, and there's just so much there.

11:32 Absolutely n. I v. I I completely between that and also just exploring your, you know, your Campus Community generally as you get to Richmond another, another segments and a continuous string of of new and in somewhat overwhelming experiences. We've been going to the past couple years. It makes you want to just kind of have some normalcy and then be able to settle for a second. I know I'm driving up to Iowa City tomorrow. I have to go back to school and take to get there a little bit early to get ready. And I was kind of thinking that you did on the move for like two or three years at this point, it almost a life of or maybe a. Of time, just kind of relaxation and getting settled sounds really appealing to me right now.

12:20 Absolutely one. And the interests of that I found is I've been more or less doing that for a year, you know, like at home with my parents and but it's, but it is not quite giving me what you describe that idea of that consistency in that relaxation. Just because I think at this point in my life, that's

12:44 I need a more independent relaxation. You know, I mean it, I think it's going to be scary to move halfway across the country and live by myself in an apartment. But at the same time that's going to be my apartment. And for the first time in over a year.

13:02 My apartment, my place, I come and go as I please. This is my place of rest.

13:11 I am the king of this Castle, you know, and I'm sure you felt that a little bit being at home. Like you're still like this summer, you're at your childhood home like the place that literally raised you. But now at this age, do you do you feel a little bit Restless, you know?

13:31 I am just answered answer that hypothetical I do and it's weird because, you know, I feel very comfortable here. I know I have a family around me, that that is very supporting but still, there's, there's almost like a feeling, your restlessness is gray, would describe, an eagerness just to get out there and to continue my independent life. And I think that. So,

13:55 I can get it. It's almost here. I am, and I'm 22. And I'm living the life of a young adults, but then there's, you know, like you said, there's a child at home. There's elements that, you know, I remember from my childhood same bedroom, you're in. And, you know, I'm trying to interview right now to go work in the real world and at law firms and continue on my career, but I'm you no sleeping in the same bed. I was sleeping when I was ten and there's like this. Certain. I feel like I'm being pulled in different directions. It's, it's interesting that you said that you, you've been staying at home. You've been getting the relaxation that that normalcy. But you are still.

14:37 You're you're still feeling kind of eager to kind of get going. It's interesting. It seems like it's a grass is always greener on the other side, kind of thing a little bit. I think it's a little bit of that. I think it's a little bit of age with. It's it's natural. You want to build your own space? You know, how

14:57 How can you achieve that. Say Sheehan when it's not in your own space, you know what growing up as a young adult and as a teenager and even kind of as a college student mean you're still you still need that space provided for you to grow. And now I think we're reaching that point worth like I want to go out and make my own space and that's how I can continue to grow. I no longer feel like I can grow as much as I can living at home with my parents and not out in the out, in the cortical real world and doing what I am.

15:37 What what might be typical of a 23-year old to do. So, I feel like that's kind of the shift as you reach a point. It's like I need to make my own space to be able to grow and then rest more I completely get that. Yeah. It's right. Because the rest you get now is is not going to be what you truly desire. You can have to expand yourself. Do you do feel like another East Coast? You know, I know, you know, you visited the southeast for the first time and you came and saw me a couple weeks ago. Do you feel like, you know, going back to this out? Cuz I guess I would call Richmond Southeast. Maybe East Coast, but we may be a little bit of both. I never really figured that out. I will have to ask the Richmond 8. I mean

16:23 Who sings the original capital of the Confederacy? I think qualifies one for the South so one would think but I'll do my research and I'll get back to you. But you know, whether it's the South or whether it's the East Coast or Southeastern or however the switching up that pace going from the Midwest. There. It seems like that's going to be almost the perfect recipe for finding that growth agreed. You know, I know that going from the southeast to the Midwest, kind of inverting what you're doing after college was was really, it was so great for so many reasons, and I think, if I'd gone anywhere away from home, I think would have been so great. I love my home. I love my family and I love Atlanta, but there's something about being

17:13 Further than driving, distance away, from from where you are, very comfortable, that really kind of changes your outlook, or helps you grow out of really quick rate, and I absolutely loved it. So I really excited for you, Ryan to come, kick that off and then head to Richmond so soon.

17:31 Yeah, man me to you hit on a topic, but I think it's really interesting idea of like being back at home. And you know, I think we both experienced that the ideas going away and then coming back.

17:46 How have you, how is your relationship with Atlanta? Kind of evolved in change? That means going from the place that you grew up in, you would like went to high school.

17:59 And then you left went to college became a true adult came back and had plenty more time there, you know, I cuz I found it very interesting to be moving throughout Minneapolis.

18:13 In a very different context from how I originated if that makes sense. Like I have you kept tabs on any of that.

18:22 Yeah, and it's it's enchanting. My relationship with Atlanta used to be very simple and then it got very complicated overtime. And I think that's the best kind of. I think we were asking like, you know, growing up here. It was it was very straightforward and I was very familiar with the area and it was the city was growing it up, you know, pretty normal rates and you know, that would have been between 1998 and 2016 in and I went to college and from 2016 to 2020, when I was in school, the city grew tremendously and we saw, you know, a lot show me the street coming to Atlanta and we saw each set or urban sprawl and growth in population. And so I was in the same way as when you see a family member or like a nephew or a cousin that's younger than you haven't seen them in a long time. And you see the maybe every 6 months or every year and you noticed that they've grown a lot.

19:17 That's kind of what I've experienced with the city of Atlanta. You know how I'll come back in December and all, you know, I'll see wild things look a little bit different. Now come back in May again and things will look even more different. It will be a new apartment complex being built or a new subdivision as the city continues to expand. Expand, you know, things that I was familiar with that are that are changing and being torn down. My school used to be surrounded entirely by trees and apartment buildings in a few Homes at a time in the city neighborhood at my high school. And then I came back, a couple weeks or a couple years after I left. And then I was actually there a couple weeks ago and now it's surrounded by Condominiums at restaurants and it's barely recognizable. If you put me back, you know, 99 years in the past. I wouldn't even want you to notice. It was the same place, but at the same time, you know.

20:10 It's, there's this Bittersweet relationship because

20:14 I get to see the city prosper and so many ways, I get to see the city get more tax revenue and and just more money for all of its social programs. I feel like this, he's heading in the right direction and that makes me happy, but but it is still a little bit sad, to not really be a part of that. You know, I've been a lot of friends that stayed in Atlanta or stayed in in the state of Georgia, for for college and you have for their jobs After High School.

20:43 And I feel like they've always been a little bit more connected to the city. I've been I have her for going away.

20:51 But I am but I speak to some of them now and they're eager to hear to leave eager to know they love the city a lot. There you go to explore new things. Then the other parts of this wonderful country.

21:04 Grass Is Always Greener man, it always is. It is interesting? Cuz I you know as we were exploring and I'm going through the city and like I could tell just how much the city has. There's literally exploded. Like that's how it felt. It felt explosive. You know when I first got off the train in Buckhead to meet you.

21:27 At work. I was like, you can tell like, this is all new and it made me realize. I mean, even if you're not in a city, that's exploding, you know, even if you're not in Atlanta or Austin, or Portland OR Seattle,

21:47 Like a city like Minneapolis, that's kind of growing at a, at a normal Pace. I kind of realized that, no know where stays the same. Like every city is constantly changing and constantly evolving for better, and for worse. And it was at first a little bit unsettling to realize like no matter where you go, you know, we can both settle down in Milwaukee in Milwaukee, for 30 years and it's going to be it's were still going to be like, this is what this is new to this neighborhood is completely different. That's new that left that's gone. That's here now and it was really interesting and I am as someone who's never been a long time home owner in the city. I'm I'm curious to know like my mom to Neighbors in the house right behind me. If they've been here for 30 years.

22:42 And I'm sure the city is completely different. I mean, a block down, there's like a cafe, and like 4-5 restaurants in a barbershop and all that. They're like, yeah, that's none of, that was here when we were first here and not that this is really interesting and I think something to realize whenever you decide to pick the place you wanted to settle down and really build a home like you got to roll with the changes somehow or the changes. What kind of rollover you exactly. I think I only want change in general and in life and we but with that kind of change you almost can't control. And so there's something about living in a society or living more specifically in City Community or any Community, really where you kind of just have to take. Whatever comes your way. You know, if the people in the city are deciding to move to a particular area or their decided to start doing it up to go over things. You almost have to, you know, as well as an individual actor. You have you

23:42 Make changes, but there's a, to a certain extent. You kind of go with the flow, and I can be really frustrating because sometimes and your own individual perception, the change might be for good and might be for bad, or maybe you don't want change, you are missing, you know, Lana, Austin and Portland, Seattle. The other growing exponentially and in other cities as well and they were mentioning cities, like Minneapolis. That are grown in a normal rate, you know, you think about, you know, people that used to live in the cities, they anticipate the growth. But what if people that choose to live in a city anticipating that it'll stay the same? They want that level of comfort and then it starts changing it, almost be a

24:24 Scary or uncomfortable feeling.

24:29 Yeah, it's interesting. And it makes you wonder like

24:33 To what extent?

24:35 Should that mindset be respected and to what extent is it? Like? Well, you know, I think of you know, before my mom recently moved to Minneapolis, she lives in a suburb called Hugo, which is probably about

24:50 25 miles out of one of the further ring suburb, but it was also also like kind of been the suburb that was next up, you know, like we get off the highway and you drive kind of in you drive, right? Past this farm and drive off of Highway like two or three miles to get to my house. Now we're leaving that farm is like all houses now and so it makes you think about life will let you know the farmer that

25:21 At the farm.

25:23 26 miles from the city centre that all the sudden discover or or the person that has a large plot of land. And, you know, Bill, they're one house in. This is kind of their area to see all the sudden completely surrounded by like main level living Villas, you know, to what

25:42 Then you kind of think like to what extent should that person's? How reasonable was that person to say like, oh where you know, half an hour outside the city.

25:51 This is my plot of wet. Like I have this nice big plot of land. I like how secluded it is and I'm going to be upset if that changes versus. When do you say well like okay, you know, suburbs grow and they sprawled like they're going to get you you know, and it's just curious to know. What do you

26:13 Do you prioritize gross? And you know, like you said like you you like seriously succeed, but I mean there's cops that come with that. When did that on the individual level around on a group of our neighborhood level? It's yeah. And not having a difficult to

26:38 There's such a diversity of perspectives on that. You know, there's if you look at the Atlanta, you know, there is and you can see Atlanta's urban sprawl from space at night time. You know, it's the Weiser incredible, you know, I used to be really small and now it stretches all the way up to the Auburn up 85 and, and all the way down South Peachtree City. I mean, it's an incredibly expensive Metro Atlanta area and my mom was growing up here. If she grew up in Decatur and at the time in the 1960s Decatur was considered far out, it was, it was outside of the city, of course, it was just outside, but I call you live in Decatur to residential area. Very Suburban nowdecatur has been swallowed up and is considered very much a city neighborhood relative to how far everything else is Decatur is extremely proximate. And so I wonder if with Atlanta and any other city like that if these far out places, you're saying you go. I wonder if they

27:38 Come a time when that's considered close by, or for going to reach this. This almost. I can't think of the right word. But almost a limit to the amount of spread where people won't be willing to drive 60 miles out to their house and, you know, back into the City and then I just being old heads. We are already old heads. We are start to recognize stuff that wasn't there before, you know, you've been around us long enough. That's new. And so dear God, what happens when I come back from the apples and I'm 75, like, what am I going to find? You know, it's kind of car. Am I going to be asking? Or am I going to be excited by it? It's it's funny.

28:38 Yeah, it's exactly. There's no way to know. And like you said, you know, you want you want, you want gross because

28:45 You is better at even though our cost that come with it. It's better to have your city grow and have the growth be used in the right way than it is to see the opposite. You know, I know that.

28:58 I know that you've driven you drove down with our roommate, Nick to Arizona. And you said, you know, you drove to Western Kansas Southern Colorado. And, and I've seen that part of the country to, and then, and, of course, there's parts of the country like that in our backyard, but small communities, that as a result of the interstate interstate travel and your growing Corporation sizes. Larger retail stores that are struggling, you know, the mom-and-pop grocery store down the street is losing out to whatever, large taking all the business until, you know, you drive through some parts of the country and, and it's just empty storefronts and abandoned homes and abandoned farms. And it's, it's hard to see. And I wish who I rather. I hope that there is there's a middle ground where every city can grow and every area can run, you can prosper.

29:53 And then, of course, the people live in, those communities can prosper and not what we have right now, which is some cities are absolutely blooming and taking in. You do a hundred thousands of residents every year, and the other cities are losing tens of thousands. And small, communities are becoming isolated and any more desolate. I really hope that we can kind of solve the problem there. Yeah, before we continue to build.

30:22 Exurbs and more suburbs and more suburbs to House people in the one city that has to be a solution to help other people.

30:28 Yeah, and

30:31 Is it what? I think of? I just saw this movie for the first time, finally. It's like I'm a so excited. Jesus comparison, driving through Eastern Colorado. It is like The Hills Have Eyes, like it's like, it looks like the town deal deal. Drive through town with Nick and I are going to Phoenix and there's like eight houses and two of them are burnt out and your life and your life, did the Hill People attack like what, you know, like it's crazy and it's which is kind of. But then when we're driving to Nebraska before reaching Kansas, you drive through these like, farming communities that are driving the big beautiful Farm homes, and you're like, what's the difference of

31:14 And then kind of going on to like the, you want your City to succeed. I can come from this with a bit of a, Napoleon complex being from Minnesota where it's like, you're the only time. Like, I think I think about the classic embodiment like the only time Minnesota makes a national news. Do you remember a couple years ago when a raccoon was climbing a skyscraper in downtown Saint Paul. I remember that. But look it up after this and it was like national news, this raccoon. It was like climbing a skyscraper. That's like cold. Like when the lynx won a championship in like the summer.

31:55 Girl, Bleacher Report, what you and I talked plenty of Macon at their attempt at creating culture and it was

32:05 Of course, I'm black on her name like the the star player and the graphic they put over her was like she was in front of like of a snow-covered like time for us. It is June. We are decidedly deciduous down here like not a conifer insight and I was like, so.

32:36 Devoid of any of, you know, you can go in on a logical arguments for like wanting York City to grow up like a like, or tax revenue and, you know, the quote unquote, a rising tide raises All Ships, which I don't know how true that is. But also, there's just the emotional of like you've got the pride and you want, like, you love where you're from and you want to see succeed and you were like, you want to know where else to see why succeeds? And yeah, it's it's just kind of funny. Ugly. I like always being from Minnesota and we all know it's not just cold in June, you know, it is that. I mean, that's just, that's the perfect. That's the perfect illustration of kind of that, like, you know, us versus them on the state level perspective. If you know, the people Bleacher Report, I guarantee you are not from release that in turn those making that graphic now for Minneapolis or else. They wouldn't put somebody in front of a snowy forest in the middle of June.

33:37 But you're so right. We kind of like we have. This course, we have all have this American identity that we hold on to. But we have this state-by-state structure of our country, but we almost put all the states and boxes, you know, Minnesota's. I was going to be cold and Iowa, Nebraska always corn and those peaches in Georgia, but you playing you're playing trivia with anyone and the question of which state grows the most peaches comes up and you get them. If they don't answer, South Carolina, you know, we make the most peanuts that I don't want to be the peanut state-to-state like now he has no known, we would not be having that kind of growth in term of endearment. You know, I wasn't calling you. Bye bye. Dear, Georgia. Peanut

34:37 It's so interesting because I feel like that's a, a greater thing about America is that both of us strength and a weakness depending on how one approaches it is. The, I mean, it is a strength, but some people viewed as a weakness, the idea of like, America's, like all these different entities, you have, state-by-state identity. If you have like region-by-region identity, you have, I think I did. And do you have religious identity? You that all come together in this really powerful way?

35:09 That I don't think you see you. If you don't at least not to the same scale anywhere else in the world, you know, I mean, I was. Like, I took an Uber home Saturday night and was like 2:30 in the morning. And this dude, from Donna was driving me. And we were just kind of contact about that. He was like tell me about like there's no traffic in Ghana, like what was traffic here in like Minneapolis in 1 a.m. Cosmopolitan as you can get you can walk down. If you walk down the right Street you walk past like a Thai grocer and a Greek restaurant and a Ramen place.

35:46 And like how amazing is that? You know, where else you get that? And so I think I feel very topical nowadays. I think I think more and more people are are finding issue with that, which I find pretty funny. But yeah, and you know, I would do so we don't have enough time to get into every single reason why it why people are having issues through. We really do been to something deep at the very end. It's the question with it with no answer. But I tell you, I firmly believe what you're saying and I think about Minneapolis and how diverse that city is in. And generally our country, the American experiment that we can all live together, we can all coexist and that we all have a common goals of safety for each other and prosperity. And everybody has a house to live in water to drink and food to eat in. This is treated the exact same. I think that experiment is still going. Well. I just think that there are

36:43 There are things, maybe people or maybe the existing structures are part of the structures that are working against it. And I think that firmly, I think if you went up to most people on the street, I think you find them to be tolerant, but the systems that were put into, can kind of force out this tribal me versus you Us Versus Them approach that your baby getting one side, but transfers, over into everything, and I really hope, you know, if somebody is listening to this year's of the future. I hope that we saw that and I hope that, you know, as a country, we really began heading in the right direction, which is true, equality for everyone. Everybody is treated. The same everybody has opportunity. We do it quickly.

37:36 Me to maybe maybe one day we will ask what we will reach. What the actual definition of capitalism is supposed to be which is true equal opportunity for everybody. Everybody gets the same shot and I also hope

37:51 That know what not if when and storing is diving into this.

37:56 Buford Highway has only grown in the amount of amazing Boba and fireplaces why I mentioned eat Street in Minneapolis, and I can't do that without bringing it back to Buford Highway and are boba tea. And and then maybe, they'll know, maybe this researcher will know where Bobo gets its name from and how it's probably not a guy named boba.

38:31 Did you do any research? We did a little research and it is it is a potentially harmful route that I'm blanking the name but has be prepared the right way, which is now you think about somebody cooking fish at a restaurant or cooking steak and how there is risk involved there. Like I'm out. I don't eat any raw fish or meat, but there's that same risk involving Boba, and that is not talked about enough. See you the disclaimer on the menu eating raw, or undercooked Boba. So does their diversity? And so, does it ever seem everything? They thought that versity of food ever see of, of a penny in the race and religion that we can only hope that that's also included in the formula, a gross. And it's not just this and, you know, it's not just a continued growth that includes only separation of people. We live over here you live over there. I think that would be

39:30 That would be the wrong direction, Ryan. I'm so glad we did this me to battle. My God. This is so fun. And just what a, what are unique thing. I mean, the fact that we can say that we did this. The fact that anytime that, when I go to class and I have to ask to give a fun fact, you like my voice isn't Library of Congress baby as if he hangs out with I've spoken to the storical record and I will always be grateful to you for making that happen.

40:02 Absolutely, Ryan. I I feel that exact same way and thank you. Thank you for saying that. You're welcome. Well best wishes to you, and I look forward to our next. The less significant ramble me to Ryan. I'll talk to you soon.