Jordin Cotman and Tad Dastrup

[00:03] TAD DASTRUP: My name is Tad. I'm six years old. Today is the 5 September 2024 and I am in Midville, Utah. And I'm here with my one step, sorry, my one small step partner, Jordin

[00:22] JORDIN COTMAN: My name is Jordin I'm 35 years old. Today's date is September 5. I'm in Richmond, Virginia. I'm here with my one small step partner. Tad

[00:36] TAD DASTRUP: Jordin is from Charles City, Virginia, and graduated from Norfolk State University in 2014 with a Bachelor of Arts in sociology with a concentration in criminal justice. Jordin has been a huge advocate for mental health awareness, Black Lives Matter and trans rights for the last ten years, which she has partaken in protests, facilitated workshops, and more.

[01:03] JORDIN COTMAN: Tad to be brief, is 35 year old single man. He is religious and was raised in a religious household with high expectations for conformity to religious rituals and standards. Tad struggles with mental health illness.

[01:25] TAD DASTRUP: Jordin why did you want to participate in the one small step program?

[01:30] JORDIN COTMAN: I wanted to participate in the one small step program because I just love meeting new people. I enjoy having conversations that sometimes can be difficult. I enjoy meeting people that come from different backgrounds which have different beliefs because I have this understanding or this a belief that I believe that everyone is more similar than different. So this program, when I seen the advertisement come up, I was like, hmm, this would be great because it's giving like a blind date sort of thing. So I don't know anything. I'm just coming in, jumping in. So I just want to see, you know, how can I navigate this and learn more about someone without having too much background of them? So, with that being said, Tad why did you want to participate in the one small step program?

[02:39] TAD DASTRUP: I heard an ad on the radio about how these type of chats can lead to greater understanding and bring us back from the division that exists between a lot of us in our society today. And so I'd like to.

[02:56] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah, okay, questions. So I read in your bio that you are religious and was raised in a religious household. Two questions. The first question is, what religious do you, what religion do you practice and how has that affected you as a single man?

[03:30] TAD DASTRUP: I am a member of the church, a christian church, and it's formerly known as the Mormon church.

[03:37] JORDIN COTMAN: Okay.

[03:37] TAD DASTRUP: And so it's been great. It's had a great impact on my life. I mean, a very profound impact on my life. I went to church ever since I was born. You know, my parents brought me to church since I was a little one. And so all of the ideas, the values, the practices in life that are expected from that type of community are well, ingrained in my thought patterns, and I feel like there's a lot of expectation from my family and my friends to live according to those things, those ideas. And so there can be a lot of guilt and shame associated with stepping outside of those types of behaviors, and that can be difficult to deal with. I mean, it can hurt, you know? So that's a little bit about me. So, I suppose, is it my turn to ask the same question? So did you enjoy studying at Norfolk State University, or do you enjoy learning in general from a school educational type institution?

[05:04] JORDIN COTMAN: Yes. So before I answer your question, I just want you to know that I actually had attended a service with the Mormons I actually met them in the parking lot one day, and I was just asking them questions, and it was really nice, sweet gentlemen. And they actually used to call me all the time and pray for me and stuff of that nature. I never actually went to the physical service. However, I did used to go as far as virtual. So I did enjoy that. I am a Christian. I mean, I practice. I'm the christian religion with a lot of other spiritual unbeliefs. However, I am more so Baptist, South Christian, South Baptist, Russia. But to answer your question, yes, I enjoyed Norfolk state. Norfolk State is a prominent HBCU located in Virginia. I'm currently in school now for my masters in counseling. I actually go to Virginia State University. That is another prominent HBCU. I decided to give. I chose to go to HBCUs because. Because just hearing how my ancestors fought for us to get education. So I decided that I will pay my due diligence to get my education from an HBCU.

[06:56] TAD DASTRUP: That's an unfamiliar word to me. HBCU. Does that stand for a certain type of institution?

[07:02] JORDIN COTMAN: Yes. So I apologize. So HBCU is a historically black college or university.

[07:12] TAD DASTRUP: Oh, okay. All right. I get it.

[07:15] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[07:17] TAD DASTRUP: Nice. So were you always a good student? Was it ever difficult for you to study and retain information?

[07:26] JORDIN COTMAN: Honestly, no. I've always been, like, a pretty good student. I think, honestly, what I've learned over the last year or so that I was tapping into my mania. And my mania allows me to be able to get things done quick, to be able to do different things at one time while also being able to absorb. I struggled a lot in college, not more so as far as educational, but as being a black trans woman. And during that time, I was going through a transitional phase in who I was. I struggled with finding employment, so jobs wasn't hiring me. So therefore, I had to do other activities to get money to survive in college. Yeah. So I see that, you know, you. You have mental health, where you struggle with mental health illness as well. So what was life like for you growing up prior to you knowing about your mental health illness?

[08:56] TAD DASTRUP: Well, thanks for asking. And I just can't say congratulations on getting your degree. I think that that's a great achievement. And now that you're in a master's program to get, you know, a counseling certification, it's wonderful. I wish you well. I myself am struggling to get my education completed. It's taken me a lot of years and a lot of classes just to try and build credits up, but for some reason, I just struggled to really grasp the mindset or the vision to get to achieve a degree anyway. So I just have always struggled to kind of be on task and to do things quickly, and I just. I felt like I got made fun of a lot growing up for how different I was than others, like, just the way that I thought about things. I was recently diagnosed as on the autism spectrum or having Asperger's syndrome or also social anxiety disorder, and so I could always tell that was different. And it really bothered me the way people would treat me differently when I wanted to fit in. I wanted to be able to tell jokes, to pass information, to cooperate with others and be on task and have others entrust me with tasks and then be able to return and report a good job complete. And I was just always falling short. I was always beside myself, not focusing, mind wandering. People would make fun of me. They wouldn't assign me tasks. They wouldn't trust me to do things because I was just so distracted. And I've made some improvements. I'm able to hold down a job, and my supervisors seem to like my performance, albeit sometimes I act strange and they give me guff about my strange behavior, which hurts my feelings, but I just have to keep going, you know, it's like, can't stop.

[10:50] JORDIN COTMAN: Right? Right. There's just no right. No, no, no. I appreciate you for being vulnerable and discussing that, and honestly, I do. I think one of the things when we use the phrases, you know, weird or this, that the third, I can actually relate to that as well, but I think, you know, the ones that's viewed as weird be the gifted individuals. And I've learned to sit in that. That space of difference to understand that my differences is my gift. You know, like me having a speech impairment, me stuttering, but me also wanting to be a counselor. It kind of clashes with the, you know, I guess the purpose the career, and I just. I think, like, people with autism is really some of the smartest people in the world, you know, honestly, I do. It's about finding that special, like, gift within you, because if you was like everyone else or if you was, I guess, quote unquote me personally normal, then what's the fun in that? Normal, you know? So. So I just enjoy, like, stepping into that special gift, and I just think you having autism and being able to verbalize, hey, I'm on a spectrum on autism, and then this, that, the third, like, that's magical gift within itself, you know? So it's always been different ways to look at, you know, whatever the medical has deemed us, as if that makes sense.

[13:01] TAD DASTRUP: Right. And I appreciate that sentiment, you know, thanks for telling me that it's okay to be me, you know?

[13:08] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah.

[13:09] TAD DASTRUP: There's something special I can draw back on and realize I've got a. I've got a role, I've got something I can do in society, and, you know, that's something I can take and just keep moving with that. So. Thank you.

[13:23] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would, you know, if I were you. You know, I was staying in that because I think, like, growing up, especially, like, me having albinism and coming from a family where, you know, I was the lightest out of my family and just different, being placidgest, being the lightest, I was very inquisitive. I was very witty. You know, I used to downplay all of that. But now in my life, with therapy, I've learned that what others meant for bad, God meant for good, you know, but just another. Well, you can ask me a question.

[14:11] TAD DASTRUP: So what was it like for you growing up? Did you have lots of siblings?

[14:22] JORDIN COTMAN: So, no, I didn't have a lot of siblings. I have a younger sister. She's seven years younger than me. So I was the only child until I was seven. But even though it was seven years, it was still a huge difference. I was spoiled. She came in the picture. I had a potty mother. My father was in the picture, but he wasn't in the picture. So I was with my aunt and my cousins a lot. I was loved, but I wasn't genuinely loved by my other family members, not my mother, but like, my other family members. And I think a lot of the love was cut off due to me stuttering albinism, me being a. During that time of feminine Boyden. So I did go through a lot of adversities, but I grew up in church. I was in church a lot. I went either with my aunt or my grandmother or. I walked to church. Going to church kept me balanced. I did stray away from church my later years, due to some things that happened in church. I strayed away over, like, ten years. I didn't trust the church, however, I kind of kept a little faith, but I stayed away for ten years. I actually got reconnected to my faith recently in, like, November. So I've been attending church. However, I would just attend when the preacher is about to, you know, do the word, and after he's done with the word, I'm out of there, because I have to have an understanding that humans are humans and humans is humans, and God is God. I can't correlate how humans think and how my God loved me with our goddess. Love us, everyone, you know? So I sit in that a lot. Do you have any follow up questions for that before I ask you the next question?

[17:01] TAD DASTRUP: You know what? I just. I'm glad that you had a good experience at church. And, you know, I know kind of what it's like to have effeminate traits. I seem to be a very kind person. I've been told that I'm too nice. And so I have some qualities that are seen as. Seen as kind of effeminate. And a lot of guys will ask me if I'm, you know, like, if I'm gay or, you know, and stuff. And I just. It's really. It's been a struggle for me to be the person I am, because I see people in relationships that. Where they're raising children in, and I don't have one of those, and I don't know if I will because I'm just different. And so, you know, I hope that you can find some solace and comfort, you know, and what you were talking about brings to mind the scripture that God's thoughts are higher than our thoughts, higher than humans. And he really does love us with a perfect. With. With unconditional perfect love. So hope that you can draw comfort from that. So, anyway, yeah, if you have another question, I'll let you get to what you wanted to say.

[18:15] JORDIN COTMAN: No, I'm here to listen and say that again. You said God thoughts are higher than human thoughts.

[18:22] TAD DASTRUP: Yeah. So there's a. There's a scripture that says where God is speaking to. Right. A prophet, or he's speaking to us, and he says, my thoughts are higher than your thoughts. And it's. God has perfect omniscience, has all knowledge of things, and the love of God for each and every one of us. Surpasses our imperfections and the way people treat us is not how God actually feels about us. God has perfect love for each one of us. And so we don't know what all the truth is. And no one who, no one who's human knows the entire truth of things. And so that's, that's what I mean by that is that God is perfectly loving and someone we can always trust in.

[19:12] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah. And no, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And just the fact that you said that God thoughts is higher than human thoughts, it goes back into just you building your character. I noticed that you will say, well, because I'm different and because I'm, this, this may not happen, but also you do believe that God thoughts is higher than human thoughts. And I just want you to love on yourself a little bit more and know that, you know, if you desire, you know, the family and this, that the third, just, you know, continue to, you know, praise him and love on yourself more. And all of that will come to, you know, and I get it, you know, because we dealing with humans every day, but the, that, that kindness that you is distributing is lacking within our world, and that's your gift right there. And it's going to be someone that's going to love that kindness. So I just want you to remember that and take that with you. The question I have for you is, who have been the most influential person in your life and what did they teach you?

[20:41] TAD DASTRUP: My dad has been my role model, and I've struggled to live up to all his qualities. He is a certified public accountant. He's accomplished in many jobs. I do not live up to his capabilities in a lot of ways, but he's been my role model. And I try to behave the way he behaves. I try to treat others the way he treats others, and I try to follow his example. I also read in the Bible stories about Jesus Christ, and I try to mimic Jesus in some ways to the point, to a fault. I mean, I've been criticized at church for being making a mockery of the savior, which I'm not perfect. I need to change to make some adjustments. But, you know, those are probably the two most influential people. My mom is also a good influence on me in any way that a female can be, you know, just following her example. And also friends and family, just brothers, aunts and uncles, cousins, friends, good friends at school and church. You know, those people have influenced me the most. So they taught me to be confident. They taught me to try to do well. It taught me to be happy to be positive, have a positive outlook and be optimistic. Taught me to work hard, taught me to study hard and try to stay focused on good tasks, some really good things. And so, yeah, I've had a lot of good influences. I'd like to ask you, Jordin the same thing. What? Who has been the most influential person in your life and what have you learned from them?

[22:52] JORDIN COTMAN: Great question. When we speak of who's been the most influential person in my life, it's so many wonderful people, but if I had to choose anybody, it would probably be my grandmother. My grandmother taught me so many things. However, a lot of the lessons that she taught me did not come to, to fruition until she got sick. As I reflected that, um, yes, she's still alive, but, um, she's not the same person she was. She's has dementia. Um, and my grandmother, one of the lessons that she taught me, even though Oprah gave the words forward, was you are responsible for you and the world don't owe you anything, which that has instilled in me to keep pushing hard work, perseverance, being confident, stepping into rooms that make me uncomfortable. But the goal is for you to be able to sit in those rooms comfortable even doing your uncomfortable. I love my grandmother, you know, she's such a strong woman. Through all the adversity that she went through, she still love on us. Genuine. When I did come out as a gay male, you know, I thought my grandmother was going to be the person who was going to really, you know, set it on fire, you know, due to her, her values. But her thing was that she leads by love and that's what she, you know, want to do and want me to take on for everyone. So my grandmother has been the most influential. So I'm going to ask you this question. What do you believe has influenced your personal political beliefs? The most, ie. Person, event, religion?

[25:40] TAD DASTRUP: Thank you. You know, I get bits and pieces from just about everyone I hear. And what you just said, what I want to take with me from what you just said, is that I'm responsible for me and the world doesn't owe me anything. That's really special because I lately have been feeling really entitled. Honestly, I really feel like I should be getting a promotion at work and I should be able to get into a relationship with someone I think, you know, would be a good fit. And it's like, you're so right. What your grandmother told you, it echoes and it's like, I really just need to do the work. And you said something else and I'm not really remembering it, but it was what you said after that that, you know, the world doesn't owe me anything. But that was really good. Thanks. I want to take that with me. And so, as far as politics, I grew up in Utah. We're a very red state, you know, very conservative type. Policies and ideas and thoughts, you know? And when I started going to middle school and high school is when I really got exposed to more of the progressive type thoughts from certain teachers and then peers who had progressive thoughts. And it was really different and scary to me. And I lashed out in anger and. And loud. I shouted and said things and tried to talk over them as if me raising my voice was going to change their minds. And I learned a couple of things. One is that I didn't really know what I was talking about. You know, what. What I thought was truth and all correct was not exactly the right thing. In fact, my side was very manipulative, too. Very manipulative and very, you know. Anyway, so we have these. We have these. We have half truths that we try and defend because we think our party is correct. And so we walk the party line and we ignore the criticisms and the evidences of our inconsistencies and our fallacies and our failures. And so I learned that, for one, my side isn't actually 100% correct. And I also learned that people do not react well to harsh criticism. It galvanizes them against my opinion. No matter what evidence I might provide. It's just gonna make them be more defensive and put up even more of a fight against me. So, it's been a learning experience. I've had to learn how to objectively evaluate what people say, and I have to respect people's opinions, because they really do. Everyone has their ideas. They have their thoughts, their life experiences. Mine isn't the same. I don't know what people have been through. So I try to keep an open mind, not be so judgmental from that. But my political beliefs are very highly influenced by my parents and the values that they have and also my peers and people I associate with at church, especially because at church, we really found a lot of people who agreed with our point of view. And so it was easy to kind of be in an echo chamber and have the same ideas. So I kind of learned to stop and think when I would talk to the people on the other side of the aisle and really consider the details before I made a final decision and be willing to adjust my opinion. That's kind of a long winded answer, but, you know, that's kind of what I have to say about that. And I'm curious what you would say about how your personal political beliefs have been influenced and by which people, events in your life or within the church.

[29:42] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah, I think, well, I'm in Virginia, so we are a swing state. We can be red, we can be blue. It depends on the year and the season, obviously. So as far as political views, I was just groomed, you know, growing up Democrat, this what you do, this who you vote for. Growing up, we didn't really talk about politics. Politics wasn't discussed. It was just, this is who you vote for. It wasn't no why? It wasn't no conversation about it. I think I got into politics more so in 2008 when Obama got into office. And I was in college and, you know, I was around people that actually, you know, wanted to have conversations about politics. So still, I voted Blue just because, without knowing any policies or anything. But after voting for him and then, you know, going over various policies, I do think not because of him, but because of my current knowledge. Now, um, I'm a person that can, you know, um, agree with policies over here, the conservative Republicans. I can agree with policies with the Democrats to the, you know, far left of the far right. You know, I just, um. I'm a type of person that I'm gonna vote from a humanistic perspective, because I'm all about humankind and everyone being afforded good opportunities. So a lot of times I have voted with the Democratic Party based on what they have showcased, you know, like, what's going on now in the climate. And I express to people all the time that, you know, I do, you know, like Trump as a person, you know, we're not gonna act like I didn't like him prior to all of this. I'm aware, you know, but I think Trump as a person is not who I would want to lead me. And so I learned to separate certain things. Now, don't get me wrong, I think both parties has this in and out, but I think I like to vote from a very human kind perspective and not really from a perspective of, let's da da da da da da da. Let's oppress individuals. So it's. Whomever I feel is. Is rooting for equality across the board in a certain degree. So, yeah.

[33:18] TAD DASTRUP: I have a co worker who is now pregnant, and she already has four boys.

[33:24] JORDIN COTMAN: Right.

[33:24] TAD DASTRUP: She's in her thirties, and she got pregnant by one of our coworkers, who is a mechanic, and she's talking about wanting to abort the pregnancy, and I have tried to convince her to keep it, but my therapists I've talked to tell me to let her make her decision and not get involved or say anything more about it. And so that's something I'm learning about, you know, that's her life. You know, it's up to her what she's going to do. And I have a lot to learn about the humanist perspective about why people do the things that they do. Now, I was raised in a household that was very stern, very stoic, very strict. I was expected to behave in a certain way because there was a value, and there is a principle behind every behavior that ought to be a certain way. And when I fell out of line, it was kind of scary. Like, I kind of had to conform. And so I'm really used to making decisions and behaving in a way that's based on principle. When other people don't, it makes no sense to me at all. Like, I, I struggle with that, and so I struggle with allowing people, the agency to choose. I feel like everybody should have to act the way I think is correct. So, anyway, I just wanted to share that because I'm more, you know, perspective.

[35:00] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[35:02] TAD DASTRUP: It's good to learn to love people in spite of disagreements. So my, my political discussions with my family, who are traditionally republican conservative, have been strained because lately there's been a lot of conspiracy theories. And I'm a conspiracy theorist. And so the stuff I share, they say, is total bonkers. And I, it's led to some real heated arguments and a lot of frustration and anger and bad feelings lately. I apologize to my dad, and things went a little better in the last month or so because I apologize. But we've been disagreeing on a lot of things lately that have been going on. And so, yeah, my relationships have been strained a lot with family and friends and peers because I disagree. So I want to know how it's been for you. Do you, have you had political discussions and arguments, and has it had an impact on the relationships you have with friends and family?

[36:03] JORDIN COTMAN: Yes. So let's go back a little bit to the conversation about your coworker being pregnant and on abortion. I get that wholeheartedly. And I had to learn certain things because, like, growing up, my mother was, you know, strictly no abortions, and that's due to her having to have one when she didn't want one, so she don't believe in them. And then, you know, I have my own beliefs of, I personally don't believe in abortions however, as you stated, you know, we have to give people the autonomy over their body. You know, we have to understand that it's not up to us to force our beliefs in our way of living on others. Like we live in a land of the free. So why take away something that, you know, that people work so hard to have the autonomy of? You know, I think, and that goes back into a humanistic perspective, like when we do things in life or make policies and rules and stuff, it needs to be not from a personal feeling on how we personally operate. Regardless of your personal feelings when you're in these positions of power, I believe you need to move from a perspective of equality of humankind because in my current position and my job is certain things I don't agree with. However, I move in a place of, you know, my goal is to ensure that you're good, but it should be certain guidelines to meet with everything. So both Democrat and Republicans come and meet each other. And that goes back in to your question as far as strain our relationships with friends and co workers. On my half, you know, I think one of the things I am dealing with now is hormones being, well, hormones is hormone replacement therapy being given to children. So I think one party is saying, no, not at all. And the other party is saying, yes, just give it to them. You know, I think there needs to be some type of bridge to where, yes, I do think, you know, if the children feel as though they are transgender at a certain age, yes, they should be able to get it. However, there needs to be guidelines to where, hey, if you want this or you desire this, you should have therapy for this amount of times. You and the parents, you know, you should pay for the storage of your semen or your eggs. You know, like that should be a mandatory guideline if this is what you want to do. And I think I have those arguments, especially as a person that advocate for trans rights, that's a huge argument. Like, how can you advocate for us? And this is how you feel. Because I move from a human perspective, because just because you're 15 years old now and you say, hey, I want to be on hormones and I don't want kids. I don't think we understand the effect that hormones can have on you years down the road. So I deal with those battles and like at work, I have people that's for me, that's, you know, very conservative and some things they believe in. And I just feel like, you know, you are entitled to believe and move how you feel. But when we do this, work. It's all about the unity for everyone to be on the same page. So, yeah, I didn't know. I said a lot in that, that.

[40:48] TAD DASTRUP: Time frame, but, yeah, yeah, there's a lot to say. Well, there's a lot to say about the issues, so that's totally fine that you, you give a lengthy response. You know, there really is a lot of details in each issue, you know. So you have confidence in the future? Do you, do you have a positive outlook on the future?

[41:21] JORDIN COTMAN: Um, yeah. Yeah, I have positive outlook on the future. I think everything is everything. Um, I serve a God that sits high and looks love. Um, I feel like if he brought me and my ancestors this far, um, whatever is thrown against me, I'm going to get through it. And I feel like, as a person that dealt with that, still deal with mental health issues, I think what gets me going is the fact of being positive for tomorrow, the fact that I woke up today, the fact that I'm nothing to have an understanding that, you know, nothing in his life is guaranteed. So why not, have I explained to people, why not be positive about what today may bring? Because we were. This air, this time we have is on borrowed time. Tomorrow is not promised. 09:00 is not promised. So I'm just looking at the positivity of everything around me and regardless of how much negativity floats around. With that being said, what are your hopes for the future, both personally and politically?

[43:01] TAD DASTRUP: You know, I think that. I hope that we continue to grow as a people, like you said in the beginning of our conversation here, how we're a lot the same and what we want to do is find out how, ways that we're the same. And I think when you said that we're here and we're trying to do what's best, we're trying to be happy, we're trying to, you know, make our way through this difficult life, the trials of this life. And that's something we really all have in common. We're all, we're all making our way through this, you know? And so I hope that freedom continues to be something we experience as a people. I want the free market to continue. I want supplies and products to keep flowing, you know, for business to keep going, for people to be able to feed their families, to have things that they want, to be able to help others, to reach out to others, have the resources to give aid where it's needed. And I hope that people have the ability to continue to go to church and have the ability to decide to do things that they think are going to be in their best interest. You know, the bodily autonomy, the freedom of thought, freedom of choice. That's what I hope for the future, you know? Really. Can I ask you, can I ask you, Jordin what, what you hope for in the future personally and politically?

[44:53] JORDIN COTMAN: Personally, I will hope that I will continue to, you know, be able to love authentically. I will continue to be able to strengthen my love for humans. And whether they are for me or against me politically, I just want everyone to be able to come together as one because all of the back and forth and all of the confusion causes more division than togetherness. I don't care who part of you for the goal is to bring everyone together and continue to be a part of this land of the free.

[45:46] TAD DASTRUP: That's very nice. So, you know, what I want to take from this is just the respect for one another and the dignity, really just valuing each other as people and the fact that we have talents and abilities that we're making our way through this life and we ought to cooperate and do best we can to make, make it the best time for all of us, you know? So I think that's what I want to take from this. And I really enjoyed talking with you, Jordin This has been a good conversation.

[46:21] JORDIN COTMAN: Yeah. Oh, it has been good. And I was just want to take from this the same as I spoke at the very beginning. I believe that all of us is more similar than different. I just want to give you your flowers really quick. I think I can feel your kind spirit and your uniqueness through this video. I want you to continue to love on yourself and understand how special you are through all of the uniqueness that you have. And I want you to step into your uniqueness and let it use for you and not against you. Okay?

[47:03] TAD DASTRUP: Okay. And I just wish you the best as well. You continue on doing, doing your thing, studying, helping others, appreciating your ancestors, appreciating your history. And, yeah, I hope that you continue to have a good time.

[47:19] JORDIN COTMAN: Thank you.

[47:20] TAD DASTRUP: I appreciate that any challenges arise. I hope that you'll be able to see them through likewise. Thanks.