Kenneth Best and Carla Bruni

00:01 I am Ken best. I'm 63 years old today is November 17th of 2019 in Chicago. I'm here today with Carla Bruni and we've been friends for about 5 years.

00:15 I'm Carla Bruni. I am 42 years old. It's November 17th 2019 in Chicago, Illinois, and I'm here with Ken best and I've known can we've been friends for about 5 years.

00:31 So we just got here after I pick up Ken because his transmission went out in his car. Yeah, so we made it. I think that you're like one of the most amazing volunteers because you still wanted to come and do this recording heart rate miles away. Yeah, I mean, so how I always forget how people found out about communicative. How did you know, my wife was watching CBS Nightly News or whatever it was Nightly News. Yeah. She watched the news so she's watching the program and she sees you and Haley so many places are going don't even know where and she said. Oh you like fixing stuff. You want to go join Community glue. So I looked it up and sent you a few e-mails back and forth and

01:32 Can't remember what year I started. I think it was 2014. I think you're only two years into doing it and then I joined up and it's like this is fun. I think I figured we were at the Jackalope Theatre the first person who came in you knew and she had a broken light fixture with tape all around the socket because it hasn't snapped in place of the light fixture socket Evans sounds like o this would be easy. So I just kind of broadened it out a little bit took all the tape off Snapchat and took 30 second. She says always been broken for you.

02:05 Texted

02:08 Those are the best. Yeah, so you must have started. So we start at the cafe. And then yeah, I guess a couple years in then we moved to Jackalope which was really fun and random and we never knew what our site was going to look like and then at Edgewater workbench since then so we have a start 2012. So yeah, so I mean, I think I've grown personally a very dependent on you because cool former vacuum repair technician in a choir of like furniture and Warehouse my first patent application. I'm going to be more lies by the patent office for a pipe organ tremolo.

03:04 I don't even know what that is. I have no idea. How old is kind of baby. It's like a vibrato singing somebody singing vibrato. Okay. So anyways, I just came up with this. I was at a church that had an organ tremolo that was broken looked at it tried to mess with it went to high school with a guy who now is a one of the preeminent organ builders in the United States John bussard and took a class with him in high school that he sponsored and psyche. I've always been interested in pipe organ. So when I joined this choir, he told me this wonderful story about hikikaulia. The choir director bought the Oregon for $25,000.

03:53 It's a deli at about 1.3 million was not working. So I did with it and I just thought about it for about 3 months on and off whenever I went to church as I got to figure this out and I'm sitting in a traffic light next to a semi tractor-trailer truck.

04:12 And at the top of the exhaust stack, there's a little metal thing that's going up and down and that was my flash of inspiration. I could just use a simple tube with something to pulse the air in and out and that would create the tremolo and it's really simple and it's it's it was fun to do and filing a patent application can be really expensive but I did it myself and I was about four hundred bucks. I need to be analyzed with the patent Society. Anyways, many of the things I've done quite a few different things, but I mean it's because it's like, you know, how do you fix stuff? I mean, there's like a thousand different ways to fix a thing and that's the that's where the fun of it is in my career in real estate fixing things cuz it's always been Property Management.

05:12 Is

05:14 My dad likes crossword puzzles know his way of engaging his brain and doing stuff is to do crossword puzzles and fixing stuff. That's broken is always been mine. So where I get my challenge the the interest I have in doing community glue is I get to come in figure out what's wrong how to fix it. Sometimes it's simple sometimes you have to be really creative and I love the creative part of it. You never gets from an accountant that creativity in that kind of a brain at all, but I enjoyed it and I still enjoy it. Yeah. It was like when I was like woo Kim's hardcore was when we had cuz you know, it will get a lot of like broken fans and and it was about the weight of the fan weight being slightly less because one of the Finns have broken off so you like drilled hole and put like a screw or something in there to weigh it down slightly to get the balance, right?

06:14 Like I mean, I'm a pretty clever person I think but I just like would not for some reason like that to me was like it revelatory in what are things about flying a plane is you can carry heavy load at the center of gravity. But if you know that like the front seat of the plane, but if you want to put somebody in the baggage compartment, they have to be a whole lot lighter because it's like being on a seesaw teeter totter and the further you get out the more impact you have on the balance. So it's probably why they always want me back in the baggage section cuz I'm so late you met her.

06:57 Where are it was something you said to the pilot? I'm not sure. I don't know.

07:04 I don't think there's any of that but yeah, I've also balance a couple of ceiling fans and you end up putting weights on the top of the blade where you can't see it to try to get it not to wobble and I figured is the same sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really enjoy this stuff and he one of the issues with being that you know.

07:26 Co-founder person who sort of like, you know, you know, I've done a fair amount of interviews, you know, so is Allie bit but you don't like write-ups and things like that for four places and that like every person that can fix all the stuff myself until I get this like constant stream of people wanting me to come and fix things for them and I'm like, oh honey. Now, I like I can't do a lot of an organized. I mean, I think I'm relatively handy person but it's like without the groove regular volunteers. I mean, there's no way I could do this thing myself, you know I said I figured you started it because you had a lot of broken stuff around the apartment willingly going to be one of those and more. I feel like communities become a little more elusive in some regards and in so that was really adamant about like the community glue works. Like that was a really

08:26 Recipes mentorships would spring up and they did which was amazing between you know fixers and you know, when people just coming every month and being really regular about bringing their broken things in which there seem to be sometimes an endless supply of certain people, but I keep asking people who come to break something and come next.

08:49 But we may fit Dual side of things and none of us really knew each other before we do. I still think it's pretty remarkable. I mean in the beginning like I had some folks I knew a little bit and LR2 now, I mean everyone I've only know because you guys have seen the ads are things that have been great about it as I've gotten older. I've really gotten a kick out of finding like-minded people cuz I'd rather be around like-minded people than people who don't think like I do cuz it's a whole lot more fun if people want to keep stuff out of landfills fix broken things frankly meet other people be around people who think the same way I do and singing choir I sing in a choir, I like to sing. Okay, that's a good group to be with Community glue fixing stuff that's broken. Trying to figure it out even collaborating, you know, Jason will come

09:49 For Becky and say I hate you have any idea if you ever seen anything like this before or I may have something I have to do this to it, or I couldn't fix that fan and I thought so I took the pants fan apart through the rest of the garbage. We gave it. I gave it a time of death and we had a ceremony and that was the end of it. But then somebody came in a year-and-a-half later and said, oh my fan doesn't work as is the exact same fan and I had the part she needed so that was cool kept that one out of the landfill. Right? Right, right. Yeah, and I think it's like different. I mean, I think all of us are kind of on the same page about planned obsolescence and learn issue that is and then stopping me. I can also just genuinely like each other or he wouldn't give up her Sundays now for the last few Note 7 years, but it's pretty amazing, but

10:49 But it's it's it's like the hivemind thing that I also find service brilliant and fun to watch. I've always thought you were on my mind. Yeah. I don't know why I love that. I love like I mean, sometimes it's just me being like hey can this is an electronic thing. So I don't want to be nice when you know, you can sort of have do people come up with a solution or 3. Actually pretty common or three of us will have to come through like a work environment. Even if it's somewhat creative. It's like for me it's an email processor. It's like I have this thing I email it whenever you have a chance you get back to me with that email you're not in the room together in that same way just like getting it done. Like we fix a lot of crap in 3 hours like a lot of stuff that yeah absolutely would go

11:49 People are seeing the Flyers coming in and preventing stuff from going to landfills getting things fixed. You know, if you're something I've had for 40 years has never worked, right? Oh, let me look at it. And it's not that hard to fix right like well, I'm glad you hung onto it. And now it's working in like literal Darkness for the last decade will bring in like 5 to 7, like lamps that have been just just walking around the house in the dark with flashlight. OK your light bulb burned out and then

12:37 There's a place in Wilmette when I was growing up and really my first decent job was as a repairman at Adams Electric in Wilmette and

12:52 It was set up. So people would bring in broken stuff and I get paid to fix it and fix a lot of Hoover vacuum cleaners. So I'm the vacuum cleaner go-to guy and it's not that hard Hoover's are made almost indestructible. At least the older ones were now there's a whole lot of plastic and that's another challenge. You have to be really with epoxy plastic makes it much harder and getting plastic to stick to plastic. I brought actually some of the plastic epoxy I've got cuz I just had a key fob for my Honda the one that just answer more recently died and it's like this wasn't made right and then I took my working one apart and realize oh, there's a piece missing plastic epoxy halfway through fixing that.

13:52 I can treat me like somebody who is Lara had a bad fight. Yeah, maybe it was like yeah. Yeah, so I'm curious what got you inspired to do this with Allie. So a few things so it was I was I had a fellowship I was involved with a good time to the new leaders Council know he had to come up with a final project of some sort. You know, it's a recommendation of something we cared about whatever and I get around that time. I read this article New York Times that woman and Amsterdam who started these repair clinics and they took off was really interesting to me because my background is historic preservation and

14:46 You know, there's this I don't know. It's really easy to get frustrated that people don't want to live in and save older buildings cuz they're so wonderful, but the reality is people don't know how to fix things anymore. So I figured instead of starting with you know, a Queen Anne maybe people could start with a toaster and so it just really spoke to me. So I read this article really Inspire. It seemed like exactly the kind of thing I should do for this final project and I posted something on Facebook and Ali offered up her space for it and we start talking and I was like, why don't we just do this together? Because the much better chance it'll actually happen then I worked out really well, you know, we both know a lot of people in the neighborhood and we both feel really strongly about community and environmental issues. So we're just worked out and we didn't really know how it would go a obviously in the who are volunteers would be anything. We had planned kind of went out the window because again people just hurry

15:46 He's saying I mean local and National. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were the first I think in Illinois in the midwest to come up with a repair Cafe repairclinic like this. So, how did you get word to was NBC? How did how did that came out? And did he call you up one day at a time. So maybe they heard from that site. I'm not really sure PR skills that life. So, you know knowing people I've been both Al and I know a lot of people which has been a big part of why things have worked out pretty well, but but yeah, so that was exciting and fun. Summer was telling me they were in New York and a cab and our NBC Nightly News clip was kept coming up on their little cab screen and it was like

16:46 But yeah, it it just kind of worked out that way. It's all of the passions and and stuff got a combined into one and and it's just been pretty easy because all of our volunteers show up. I mean you guys come 8 it's been years. I don't have to I don't have a strong arm anybody in the showing up every month. And so that without that and forget it. You know like it it's so it's it's it's been one of the easier things I think and you know what it is. It's working. Well as a CPA most companies died after 5 years some survive if you make it past five years to seven you got something that's working and I think a lot of it frankly is you because

17:35 Your energy comes across you appreciate the people coming in and it shows and I rather be around people who appreciate what I do and that's what's so fun about it. Cuz you're not a grump. You're not sitting there going on here is another broken thing with the heck's going to take care of this one. I was just dump it on. Can I take okay that would last about a week. Maybe we'll it's funny you say that because oftentimes cuz he was just on Sundays and I only usually exhausted from the week and it'll be kind of like by the end of it. I'm like, I'm in such a good mood. Like I feel I feel so good. I I realize how much energy I exert being there. Just talking to all the people who come in and seeing all the things like it's like really like pumps me up in a way that I mean like every time you know that really resonates cuz what I found in my checkered history of doing

18:35 Trade work accounting real estate and whatever the future may hold is

18:44 If you're doing something you like that you're really love.

18:49 I don't know about you, but I've got some stuff I do where I forget everything else in the world and I'm in the moment right here at Community glue fixing stuff and I walk out. It's like I might have had my car break down in my transmission go but I'm I'm like, hey, she's got a smile on her face. We got broken stuff. I made people happy. I fixed it and I'm like, I'm in a much better mood then when I start it, yeah, totally totally I really still can't believe that you're here with your transmission having a

19:22 I really is pretty I really is a testament will take care of that some other time.

19:38 Is that the complement or it didn't come out as well?

19:47 I think over the years we've gotten more and more sewing people. Yeah, we had only convince my daughter to bring in her broken jewelry. She'd already moved. There was pretty cool because she had all the stuff and all the things I was a bummer to lose her but that's a no most of our fixtures like and chicken for years to and most of our fixtures who've left have moved like far away and that's why they've left which like we can argue with that and now you just hope that when you start franchising this

20:36 Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's interesting point in terms of like, how do we so my first job out of college? I worked for the cultural Affairs Department in Chicago and this program called Gallery 37 and part of what my job was was just like people from other cities who wanted to replicate that program. And so, you know, a lot of people are like, why doesn't Community glue come here and come here and come here and I was like like we're really a local initiative, but I talked a lot about replication with people and some have done it. A lot of people are like, yeah, but that's okay, you know, it seems like

21:21 In this world, there is 90% of the people who say hey, that's a good idea. Then there's the 10% or actually make it happen and you can't expect that from everybody but occasionally run into somebody who's a go-getter who actually get something done and get it started and rolling and keep it going my wife's a baker and I work for a guy once and he said if he on the internet and I said no and he says he's she's doing it all wrong. I said, no you don't understand anything.

21:53 She hates working with other people.

21:57 Baking so she bakes and all our business word about she doesn't need to advertise. She's got more than she can handle and it's like no she doesn't need the Internet. She's got it one little bit of baking and it's really great stuff, but she has absolutely no idea and becoming a manager of worldwide bakeries, She likes to fake right when I was originally out of college at work with a house painter and the Electrical Company couple of different jobs in high school and the painter was really good. I said, why don't you expand these I like to control what I'm doing and I'm taking cash the sky emigrated from Germany immigrated and he's built up a little practice here and he's living in Wilmette and he's got five kids. I think he's doing okay. Yeah. So why change what works and I know that that's the toughest thing is do you want to Branch out and be good for the

22:57 And all the rest of it but it also detract you from people like me and you wouldn't be doing management and that's great. But if you don't then you organically I guess and frankly it like I think the reason that volunteer stay so long. It's like I don't I don't personally ever want you guys to feel like you have to travel all over like you're already giving up a Sunday, you know, like I don't expect you to schlep all over the city. If something cool comes up, you know, then I'll be over there for you then. It's like hey, are you guys interested in this is does everybody want to do this. But like I think having been a volunteer and working with volunteers for my entire adult life. I think that's what people really screw up. Honestly is like people need to feel appreciated. They need to feel seeing they need to be you know, but also not over overly taxed. It's a tough line to draw like I was late for choir today and it's like Christmas is coming up you want to be on

23:57 Time that you know, my wife's daughter bank account got hacked and psyche. Okay. Well, it kind of takes priority having a rough day volunteers and you want to be you want to have dedicated volunteers without twisting their arms and be your volunteers. I mean, I think it's just important to remember that and seeing that go wrong a lot like you do understand. I'm giving up my time here for free so, you know, take it easy. So yeah, I I I don't know unless I think we're the community comes into and people like I was supposed to pick up she'll today but I was worried. I was cutting it too close with recording and stuff. So and pick me up instead you're in the midst of it, but you know, and I don't even have to ask and I'll pick up I'll pick up Michelle, you know, I mean just like no problem. Where does she live I mean

24:57 Glue volunteered to do stuff. That's great. I was an eagle scout. So it just one more thing and it's like, you know being helpful. That's that's right up there and I've always had you know why I don't get people who aren't helpful have a hard time getting my arms around that I need help like this poor guy. I'm sitting there waiting for you to come pick me up and he says he could you jump my car and it said I thought he said you have jumper cables. I said, yeah, but I can't help you my transmission just so I need cables. I'm happy to lend them to you. I need to start pulling out money. And it said well we could push my car to your car and we can jump it cuz the battery is fine and the engine runs too. Yeah, I mean it's like

25:49 I think and we had a lot of them just to go back to the question of you know, how things have changed over time. And in the beginning we had a lot of plans about, you know, we're going to listen to this and this and this I'm going to start a tool library and baba baba, baba blah, you know, but I think that goes back to also not spreading volunteers to thin including those of us who were organized, you know, we also tend to have a million jobs Allie and I and I know through the years so it's still I think it's still working pretty well though, the way it snowing or the fact that you're we are just helping out with her own tools. Then you had to deal with Sears and next thing, you know, we've all got hundreds of dollars a free tools that you hold. This is great. Yeah. That was pretty sweet.

26:48 Volunteers cuz you know me we do this for free and I mean we'll get some money in the change jar and use that to replenish whatever and you know, there's there's some discussion about doing a holiday karaoke party. We'll see how that goes. But but you know, it's not it's okay. I can a couple of beers and I I forget I'll thing and then you just harmonize with me and why should I care?

27:38 What else?

27:49 People in the things that they bring in

27:52 In terms of people tend to bring them things that are special and interesting mix of people coming in not too long ago. Okay. I'm a pilot. I know people who sale in the Mackinac race big race, why do people say a lot and then they want to get back to Chicago really quickly because the sailing crew is much bigger racing crew is much bigger than a regular cruising crew. So I'll fly I like I like to tell people I said do I go to get to the docks at Mackinac Island to pick up Sailors? I've gotten to know a lot of sailors and a lot of boats and one guy came to community glue and it's automatic Rudder control for sailboat with broken.

28:39 And so had a little bit of trouble cuz I couldn't find a battery in a Seiko. What's the voltage on this 12 volt? Okay. Let's go out to my car to my car flipped up the hood got some wires out hooked it up and got the thing operating and did a little bit of soldering and fix it up. And I said, okay, this is working. So I never would have expected a automated sailboat Rudder to come into Community glue apparently works right interesting people come in Sylvia came in and I modified your vacuum cleaner with a wall switch.

29:17 And it still works fine. I said it's indestructible many many things out there are indestructible, but one little piece breaks and it's like what are you going to do now?

29:29 Scrape a little bit of plastic. Yep. Yep, a little discipline old despard switch from the 1950s, which I probably had for 40 years. I got this from Sylvia bring it next time and I'll rebuild your Eureka hand vacuum cleaner and she subsequently had a cord issue and brought it back and I said still working fine except for the cord. Yeah, it works great. Yeah. She does her homework to she's always liked it have went online and I looked up this and I looked at that and I tried this already and I bought a part for this and she's like, yeah. She she does the work before she comes and brings it a lot of the time and she makes us muffin which is really great to give you Pickles. What's what's great about it is you're looking and honest to God everything in the world is on YouTube. If you got the nerve to try it that's that's where a lot of people fall short, but it's a on YouTube if you look it up you probably see what broke and then if you look you can

30:29 We find the part. I can find the part and bring that next time. We'll just put it in that would be a piece of cake. But to me, that's the point. It's like telling people like you don't bring your stuff lot of people like that. I can't fix things. I can fix it with, you know, you don't have to know how to fix anything. Like that's the point we have this really great crew. They can actually figure out most things and you know, I think just seeing that something can be repaired is like revelatory two people truly. If you didn't grow up and environment with that was kind of like, you know par for the course special younger people that only I think

31:06 Just you know opening up the hood and watching something to take her in then, you know, we're getting it is like this like Resurrection experience that comes from that it's just as unbelievable think so even if they haven't put their hands on, you know, any of the parts themselves, they tend to watch Pretty closely and be curious about stuff and the next thing I do may not do anything but it's broken. Anyways, why don't we just go forward there like a hair is broken. So if you can fix it, whatever and we'll take it will roll the dice, right if it's going to work cuz I don't always know right right hard drive for the PC this back in the Dark Ages like 86 and it can I want you to put it in butt show somebody how to do it cuz I okay. I've never done it before so I can't really

32:06 Show somebody how to do it when I don't know how to do it myself and she wouldn't incensed about that and say I'll show somebody how to put in the next hard drive cuz now I know what to do. That was back in the Dark Ages when nobody knew anything about yeah. Yeah, but it's it's even though we have all of this information available to us. Now, you know those kids you always get these instruction manual like there is just still a fear around repairing things. Like I don't know what we think of things are a mean and I still in a little bit I'm guilty this with electronic sometimes if it's like a toaster issue any weather heating element like terrifies me to be fair. Were you there at when we were at the theater space and we did have a small fire.

32:54 What's the temperature outside OK I was all fine, but it's your last the last clinic and and it was just mechanical like him mechanical stuff. I'm good with that. You know, I still have some beers around it which is why I've seen it done and it's just a matter of getting people people keep coming back. I can we have so many repeat people and not only I mean, it's nice to with anything like if it was done educational programming for years to and he always, you know, like the familiar faces in the audience to see that they're coming in and watching these lectures and stuff and I always like to ask who he has never been here before and you see those hands go up and you like good then we're growing we're still getting the message out to new people. And so there's the nice mix I think that way and which one is word's getting out one guy came in with a Christmas.

33:49 Scene with like m a ski tow rope and talk to this guy and it turns out he knows a guy I worked with at the time and I hear from Eddie at work and he says hey Mike came with that thing and he said he was he thought it was hard to believe that all it needed was a little spray with WD-40 and that's what I said. Here's where I put it so you can do it yourself, right? That's all it took. Right, right. Yeah, it was going to be much more involved and say let's just hope it turns into more business. Yeah.

34:42 It's also fun. I would say to watch people do when they they're like afraid and they kind of start looking more closely and then they can't I can't help but when I try and like do some of the work themselves, I love that that's always make sure to slap their hands when they do that. All the best my favorite moment last month was so Imaging in who's been coming since she was like in diapers. Yeah. We did a cofix of one of her toys last week or last month. That was she really did like legit help me with that. You know, I like she was really really into it. I mean and had ideas and you know, some of it was more about Force than you know, but like she definitely had a hand in that she was so excited and so proud about afterwards and like posing with a shy despite having known as all for so long, but, you know five years or whatever now for years

35:42 I know it's been awhile in his arms. She's up and walking around and doing is she know 4595. Yeah. So yeah, she were in like a little Jean jumper with a community glue pin on the first time. She came and I buy about died fix that. Yeah, so so incredibly rewarding honestly.

36:16 Margie

36:18 Right. Yes.

36:20 Yes. Yes, so too. We often have a way to speed sensor. The first half of the recession will have like a waitlist. And so now we have gas we have Margie add friends whose writing down all the things that need to be repaired and trying to stir to stem the flow of people have a waiting area at Edgewater workbench, which is nice that she's sick know about anxiously. But yeah, so we've we've definitely grown our structure in this regard even when she moved away and now that she's come back that we had that available to us cuz it's been good space Oh, yeah are lighting like our task lighting was The Nightmare Before trying to actually see lamps parts and stuff so bright lights a sink.

37:20 Bathroom Outlets, I mean is do has like the best clamp collection also, so I say stupid do you have this a lot of times he does which is fantastic. It's like a giant jar of random screws by chance. Why is he do very helpful for sure that it's right off the train. So when people do come and you know it by public transportation. I always find out to be a nice perk on the southside of Chicago and Staples was there but moved out and it was my responsibility to clear out all the stuff. It was on the landlord to clear everything out and I heard people to do it. I went in afterwards and I saw screws and fasteners and washers all over the floor and it's like, you know,

38:14 Maybe I'll spend a little bit of time with a magnet with 40 lb of screws nuts. Okay, maybe we can be really scored when you walk through those doors. Thank you. I mean like I love the different backgrounds. It's like you have like an editor pilot, you know a marketing person of careers. We had a sub atomic physicist when I don't know, I I love that. It's just people who like to solve problems, you know and people from Wade versus areas. When would you meet at subatomic physicist? I know right, but that's okay and when they completely different venue

39:14 You're here and you're doing high-energy physics and you're going to work at the CERN lab. I have an uncle at Los Alamos who is just retired many years ago. So I've always been interested in that stuff. Now, you're somebody I can actually talk to write right and that means I don't know and I always liked teaching each other new tricks. And you know, I just love that we do have this like crew sewist. Sorry sewist. I learned that is the preferred term is sewist. Yeah. Yeah, and so are if you write it out and spelled like sewer so good so few articles.

40:01 But yeah, I think that's part of like the fun Community aspect of in and also a go to like nerd nights. Now that you know, Jason St. John runs and stuff like that. So there's all these there's a lot of frightening experiences. Yeah, for sure. Yeah getting into stuff. You never would have expected us to do her van life Edition. She said Community glue gave her a lot of confidence around she never even choose a student i t is how I met her and then she said she actually feels much more confident going on the road because she was terrified of fixing things before true. So that was amazing.

40:45 Do you have do you have you chronicled the things that you fixed or do you have like a

40:55 I think Carla's got a massive photo library of repaired stuff. Yeah. I think it's found mostly most of its way onto Facebook. At least I've seen I don't go there often but I did hope there's me there's me how I remember that. Oh, yeah her huh? Yeah, we have people sign in now to Margie has it where they write down what they brought in whether or not those are all written out afterwards. I try but we do have we have an expensive photo record. Absolutely am constantly like between fixes ordering them running around trying to trying to snap everything you guys are working on to cuz it's just cool to see the internet of things at like what people are you know, it's fun I think for folks

41:46 Fire qualifying has the impact that the clinic do you think has had in over the years all the things that you fixed and also Community wife?

42:01 I think people walk away having had something fixed maybe feeling better about everything, you know, I mean

42:11 That there's so many things where you just throw it in the trash and go out and spend more money on something else just from a strict monetary point of view as a you know, without the lofty goal of avoiding stuff going into landfills. It's like it's hitting their pocketbook and it's a pretty good group of people. I don't know any Grumps there at all. And when people come in there probably like that's a pretty nice group of people and hey, they fixed up. This was really nice. So it's the word I know from high school is lan-yap. It's actually Delaware Sonia means a little something extra so I don't fly for getting a little something extra out of it. You weren't expecting much another Segway. I went to Warren Buffett's 50th anniversary with Berkshire Hathaway and

43:00 Charlie Munger is a sidekick. They run that company extremely well and somebody from the audience said Charlie. What advice do you have for someone who wants to get married and he said which has laws and there's if this fits marry someone with low expectations

43:18 Cuz you're making me happy and people come into the community glue if it's like this thing's broken. My expectation is going in the trash and walk away and we've exceeded their expectations me happy. Right? Right, and it's beyond just yeah, it's you there's a million reasons why it feels good. But it also I think it just feels good to be like, oh this group of people gave up their time and collaborated and work together and it was really creative and thought about this thing I brought in whatever it is. And sometimes that thing is like, I mean, it's it's it's not really worth much of anything. I just kind of like, I don't know can this be fixed like, I mean, there's really very little monetary value to a lot of what we see, right but somebody came in with gardening gloves we could put on the palm of it and they were beat up ready looking gloves and I use some of the liquid electrical tape. She says all that's perfect.

44:18 Right, right. I mean like for me personally, I would say for my career doing historic preservation like architectural preservation stuff. It's amazing how relevant this story is. I also teach and I give forgiving toxic conferences in different places for all, you know for a long while now and

44:45 Preservation this really love hearing about Community like, you know all over the country. I've talked about this initiative and people are always inspired by it. Always think I'm cool my 20-something year-old, you know grad students are like it like love it. They wanted, you know, it's really a cool speaks to everybody and it is sort of a core issue of like we just need to demystify things. We need to work together more. We need to you know, feel good about what we own and appreciate things Community glue kind of fits. Well, that's why I need it. Yeah. Yeah. I set myself on the back too much there, but he's very much about both repair and community and we really it's we really have been nailing that

45:39 Well, thank you. Thank you so much for doing this. I know we have to go and find out your stuff for the most amount of stuff.