Julia Molnar, Carina Molnar, and Chris Molnar

00:05 My name is Julia. Buglady Molnar. I am 62 unfortunately since yesterday and I AMV the mother of the two people who will be interviewing me IMD interviewee.

00:22 On the location. Where in Foley square and New York, New York?

00:28 My name is Trina Walmart. And I am 26 years old for a few more weeks. And today's date is February 6th 2010 in Foley square and I'm interviewing my mother.

00:44 My name is Chris Molnar. I'm 30 years old and I'm going to listen to my sister Karina. Ask my mom some questions about the summer history.

00:59 Okay, so

01:02 I think we can just jump right in and talk about the Hungarian Revolution and its effect on your life, which is

01:13 The purpose of this but I think the idea of getting a little bit of political background and sort of putting it in context is important and I think that you can talk about it in the context of your own life and hungry and what the politics and history they're meant for your family.

01:34 Well, given the time constraints I will try to keep it as simple as possible Hungary became communist in 1948. It basically was a sham election due mostly to the fact that Hungary along with many of the other Eastern European Central in Eastern Eastern European countries. We're basically turned over to the Russians and the Russian set up puppet governments. After World War II after World War II for my own family. This was devastating for a number of reasons. If we have more time later, we can elaborate on the background, but my father's very young company that he and my mother set up soon after their marriage was nationalized around the time. I was born in 1948. My grandfather's company that he had rebuilt after the war was also nationalized. My grandfather was put in jail by the Communists my

02:34 Grandmother and Uncle my mother's younger brother were deported to a small village to be rehabilitated my father even though he was of proletariat background a grown-up is an extremely poor poor young man did not believe in communism and because he was unwilling to join the Communist Party. He was very difficult for him to find work despite his very capable background. My mother also had very difficult time finding the kind of work that you should have done based on her education and capabilities again, because of her capital is background. So my parents clearly were anti-communist for good reason besides the fact that communism pre-revolutionary days was really very akin to the stalinist regime in Russia. It was extremely oppressive people were regularly just take

03:34 Stop the street and deported it was not unheard of for someone to go down for a pack of cigarettes and never to be heard from again because they were simply snatched off the street and take him to Siberia. So as far as the political background of Communism in Hungary, it was extremely impressive and the Hungarian Revolution was really a Grassroots Revolution starting with students with workers truly people on the street who simply rose up because they could not and would not take it anymore. And as a side note, they also had a tremendous amount of encouragement from the Eisenhower Administration who did a lot of encouraging through speeches for diplomatic channels and radio free Europe. So for the for the Hungarian,

04:28 Revolutionaries, they really felt but once they took this step which they felt was.

04:36 They they had no choice but to do it because the situation was untenable. They really felt that they would then get the help that they deserved and had been pretty much promised from the West.

04:47 So can you talk a little bit about the actual events of the Revolution then and I guess how you know, he's obviously it was really difficult for your parents to live this way as it was for so many people socially and economically and professionally, but what was it that got them involved what were their actual roles and what was what was the start of chain of events from them getting involved until you guys actually leaving I guess so that's a huge question. But I think talking about you know, the sort of Victory when the Russians actually left for a little while and you know, what was happening in your household personally while these bigger things are unfolding.

05:31 October 23rd the day of the Revolution it actually started with a group of students going to the radio station and making their demands and then the number of people grew to I don't know the number but a huge huge crowd of many many thousands and it culminated with them knocking down the statue of Lenin and my parents were both there and they've in fact for many years. I think we had a piece of the statue and they were very much involved in it. And then one thing led to the next where my father who had had a background in journalism during the second world war my mother who happen to be working for a book X import-export company at the time of the Revolution. It just it was a logical consequence and we also happen to live directly across the street. Our apartment was directly across the street from one of the major newspaper publishing houses.

06:31 A group of the a group of journalists took over this publishing house and started publishing one of the two newspapers that that were printed during the revolution. This was called the truth. He got shocked and my parents ended up because both of them becoming editors of this newspaper during the course of the revolution.

06:55 Which of course also put them in danger afterwards because they became Prime targets of people that needed to be captured and destroyed so they were editors of this paper during during the revolution which actually was a few day process. And so maybe they were I don't know if they were turning out of paper a day or however there was working for it wasn't a paper turn turned out each day and the revolution started on the 23rd and I believe it was the 27th or 28th of October after basically a trim really a bloodbath where there were tremendous amount of damage in the city many many of these people who took part in the revolution were were shot by the Russian soldiers who were stationed in Hungary. I might add that most of the Hungarian soldiers turned turn to be revolutionaries. They did not shoot very few ended.

07:55 Shooting their own people. Did you see this where you more or less hidden from it? Like where were the kids were you we were I was inside and then I believe for a large part of well, actually it was in on the let me go on bit. The revolution basically was six it became a success quote on quote. I believe on the 27th through the 28th where the Russians pretended to depart pretended to withdraw and we're hungry was actually a free country from for about five or six days until the Russians re-entered at the crack of dawn on November 4th. Okay, but in those couple of days those four days really important things happened, right? So no yumiya was actually elected prime minister or president and he was the leader of the Socialist Hungary not Russian communist Hungary and what what do you think? What were the

08:50 Was he part of like the revolution revolutionary group or how did all that was a socialist the people who the revolutionaries so to speak did not necessarily want Hungary to go back to Free World War 2 days where there had been a lot of Social and economic inequities. They were not they were anti-communist God damn it. I was a hero to many of them because if he was a real human being a humanist and he wanted to do away with the atrocities of Communism. But at the same time

09:28 How can I put it he wanted to incorporate the the good that's in socialism. You wanted a strong social dummy wanted a strong social democracy where people had Healthcare where people had safety nets. He was he was really a socialist and he was elected the leader of the country and he was truly loved and people were perfectly willing for the most part two to have socialism. They did not cut why communism they didn't want the atrocities in the Injustice is of Communism. So, yes, he was a socialist but not a communist.

10:03 I'm so the Russians roll back in day for 5. Take nausea. Med. I don't remember that if they kill him right away or if he was raised in for a number of years he but he was killed later. He was killed a few months later along with several of the other the commander of the of the army who else who had been a very high-ranking general who also became a revolutionary. He also was a we became really a hero. He also was captured by the Russians and later killed and you're quite a few others, but they were the two major major ones. So when the Russian tanks do rollback in the city is totally deflated and people are

10:49 You know realize that this victory was was false. And for the Russians are back with more tanks and you know Armory than hungry probably hiding it at any point in the rain before that and what happened then without going through G deserve my grandparents what happened with them, like what happened in the house? Obviously, it became really clear that people were active in the revolution people who were editors of an underground newspaper. We're going to have a really hard time making a life for themselves and and living under those circumstances and so she could talk a little bit about the importance of those four days. I know she said that that was the first time she ever really felt Hungarian in her life. And and when what really happened when they said, okay now we have to leave because otherwise we will we will certainly die. We might die trying but we will definitely die if we stay here.

11:46 Well, first of all to go back to one of the things you said we're what it meant to my parents. They were obviously ecstatic they continue to work at the newspaper the newspaper. This is during the interim from the time that supposedly the Revolution was successful until the Russians came. They continue to work at the paper. There were tons of a foreign journalists and journalists. Mostly who flooded Budapest in my parents speaking multiple languages did a lot of interviewing with them and took them around I basically was relegated to be cared for by neighbors because I was a little girl I was 8 years old, but we had neighbors that pretty much took care of me and my parents were ecstatic. They felt that finally they they would have the country would have a chance to rebuild itself into to have the kind of future that it deserved and the reason why my mother made that statement that it was the first time in her life that she felt truly Nigeria.

12:46 Was because they had both my parents had very difficult backgrounds in the case of my mother. She had a privileged childhood, but her mother was Jewish. So when Nazism came she and my uncle and my grandmother had to go into hiding my grandmother's eight siblings and their extended families were all exterminated during World War One nephew and my mother read her brother and my grandmother were the only ones left alive that after communism. They everything that they ever had built with confiscated. So she had said that first she was a good does she know which translates as a stinky Jew then she became of the capitalist remaining a stinky capitalist. So this was the first time in her life that she was neither. She was simply a Hungarian

13:37 And

13:40 When the Russians March back in on the 4th, everybody not just us but the entire city ended up in the basements of their apartment buildings or their houses if they lived outside of the city, which is where we were until November 23rd when we left Hungary the authorities came several times. I still remember looking for my parents and the neighbor said, oh, they're not here and they left so they were very protective which basically saved saved our lives or their lives and

14:15 Play continuous Jazz the lighting I just said well, okay. So so the borders starting I think around the 18th or 20th of November for whatever reason the borders became somewhat open. We're sorry just when you said borders, I started thinking about 3:20. So people started leaving hungry though before these four days, right and and there was people were just sort of like like there was a mass Exodus from the country. And so the borders were were open totally completely open and people who left before November 4th. There was a turma not particularly pretty trip while it was a it was a sarcastic time. They were called cops on us, which means papa is a quilt. So it was basically people who were hiding under the quilt. So anyone who left before November 4th, when the when the Russians came in they were basically the cow

15:15 The neighbor they left pretty much because they were Communists and or had committed atrocities and at that point feeling that the country was fear was free and they were going to suffer.

15:29 Because of their previous actions they left so anyone who says that they left ovary left October 23rd, you knew that why they left? No, the borders were never completely open, but it was very strange that there were there were gaps in the Iron Curtain there were places that you could cross the the total number of people who left after the revolution with over 200,000 most of them leaving in the latter part of November when when the borders became a little bit easier to cross over many people who were killed many people who were captured do they become formally tighter the borders or were there just for their payoff like why were they a little bit more open in the end of November, I think it was partly because a lot of the Border guards

16:20 They paid lip-service to trying to shoot people, but many of them simply would not shoot and shoot at their own countrymen, and this isn't official, but I've heard rumors that the Russians really wanted some people to leave that they wanted some of the troublemakers to leave that it would be easier to too kind of recapture the country and make them tow the line. If some of these people who were real pains in the behind just left Mom now, that's that's unofficial, but it's not it's not a logical. So can you talk a little bit about the actual Escape? I know you were only eight years old at the time, so, it's probably there's some fuzzy stuff, but I I remember you telling me one time that you know, you and up who had different signals of like if you squeeze your hand once it meant to Dock and if you squeeze your hand twice it meant to run as fast as you could and I know I'm more curious about the process of leaving that house in Budapest and

17:20 What was your perception of what where you were going and what you were doing? And do you remember any of that and I remember it a lot because it was so dramatic. I don't remember every detail I do but I don't obviously I don't know the organization that read into it. All I know is that one morning. We piled into a small army truck with a canvas that you know, the canvas kind of covering and there were about 10 of us. There's my parents and I and my mother's younger brother brother and some other people that have decreased Rangers. We got in the in the truck and I don't remember what they told me. They probably told me we were going far away. It was basically the clothes we had on our back we dressed warmly. It was the end of November. You couldn't take anything no suitcase. Nothing of that kind. I guess, you know, whatever you could pile on under your clothes and I think and I think whatever jewelry my parents still might have had that they hadn't had to sell up until that point and whatever cash cook they could get it there. Hold on their hands on because they knew that

18:20 The Border was going to take everything. We owned. I still remember one of the most Vivid memories I'll ever have is that as we turn the corner from the street that we lived on to the one of the main boulevards. There was a building on the corner that had been demolished practically and the whole facade was missing and there was a bathtub that was hanging from one floor down to the next and that was one of those Vivid memories that I will never cuz I hadn't been out on the street since we had been down probably since the 23rd. I hadn't been out on the street so many case we had my parents apparently had organized this and we drove to a small village that was on the border. We spent the night in a

19:03 A bus garage and I still remember they removed all the seats from the buses to make beds for me and a couple of the other children who were in the group and I think the women and in the middle of the night, I remember being woken up saying we now have to move to a different place because this isn't where we going to cross the border. There's an interesting story, but I don't know if I can tell it what do I do? If I think I know what store you're talkin about. You should tell it there's a story that's a little Bazaar of which I have to believe because there's no reason for me not to believe it and it became kind of our family lore my maternal grandmother who was both my mother and uncles mother obviously had always been

19:50 She had she was she said she would dream things, but she could only she would only dream about things in the future that were bad and ever and ever anything good and the night of our spending the night in his garage in this bus is the next step before crossing the border.

20:07 My mother but my parents and my uncle were heavy smokers as were most people in hungry and my mother woke up with a start and was extremely agitated and went outside to have a cigarette where she met my uncle who was also standing outside extremely agitated smoking a cigarette and she said, oh my God, I just had the weirdest dream and I have to wake up Sean. It was my father and tell him that we can't we can't do this. We can't cross the border in this manner.

20:36 Well, it turned out that her dream. Was that the original plan for this crossing? The border was that we would leave two by two on motorcycles the two guide to new house where the Border could be cross each had a motorcycle. They would each take one passenger. So two people could cross the border at the same time and then they would come back and pick up more people and my mother woke up.

21:04 With a startle with her her mother telling her she was you don't do that. You can't do this. It's too dangerous. And when she woke up just before waking up. She felt herself being covered with a white powder and when she went outside and relayed the stream to my uncle he had had the same dream.

21:23 And they both really believe that their mother was telling them something it was just on candy and my mother went in and woke my father up and said we can't do this. I absolutely will not have the four of us separated because it would have meant that it would have been to buy to and she said we can't do this. So my father talk to whoever the organizers were and they knew someone who was crossing the border elsewhere and we then joined another group The Following night to cross the border and strangely enough for last job was in a Flour Mill and ever the white powder and there we joined another group and I do remember I remember vividly they had a couple of little tiny kids who they had sedated and they hadn't burlap sacks and the parents carried them over their shoulders and burlap sacks with his today to children so they would be quiet.

22:16 And that's how we cross the border that night and over Frozen plowed fields and we were shot at a few times. I cross the border holding my father's hand. And yeah, we did have the signals. We are one strong squeeze and we had to get down on our on our stomachs to two squeezes and we had to you know, run quickly and we cross the border the whole group and I still remember when they told us that we're now in Austria. I still remember my uncle picked up.

22:48 I drove I'm crying because he done this Mom. No, but he picked up a handful of soil and he said God bless hungry and carried the soil with him to Austria. We all said a piece of the barbed wire it I don't know what happened to it. We have landed with barbed wire. We had everything is all God.

23:11 Do you guys ever know what happened in the motorcycle crew? Yes.

23:17 From what we heard later in Austria. Some of them were captured and thrown in jail.

23:23 Some part of part of the group made it and part didn't so it was you know, it it's funny because we were not a particularly religious family. We were not particularly superstitious both my uncle my parents were highly educated. So it's not like we were you know Backcountry people that believed in every kind of superstition, but I I I have to believe that this but they both really dreamt this because it was so strong.

23:51 Okay, so Austria everyone's mated. What are the next steps and I would you end up in the United States which actually is connected to the radio. Somehow it is we we weren't in Austria for too long. We managed to leave Austria. I believe on the on December 29th, where you at the refugee camp and we were in a refugee camp, but for only a few days my parents were pretty resourceful and they got us out of there. We ended up in Vienna under the auspices of some other charitable organization. So we were in the refugee camp in Austria for only 2 or 3 days and my father of who was an opera singer had a beautiful beautiful voice and he gave he and some other I get rid of refugees took part in a in a concert in a charitable concert the proceeds going to Hungary to the refugees. I mean to the

24:52 Too hungry to help the the people there and an agent route him and he was offered a contract with the blind opera house and my mother wanted him to take it because it could have been a real stepping stone. My father had a beautiful voice. He was very handsome and he was in his mid-thirties so he could have had a fabulous career and my father said no, it's I can we can stay in Europe. The Russians are the clothes. We absolutely cannot stay in Europe and he would have been willing to go to Australia, but we had my uncle with us who from the time he was in a reported in a little tiny village had always wanted to be a film director and he really really wanted to go to America and my mother refused to have us be split up. So that's how we ended up in America. And the way we ended up in Boston was again of strange story. We were on the train going to the airport on our flight to

25:51 To America to Camp Kilmer, which is a New Jersey. That's for all the all the people coming to America as when Gary refugees ended up and we were already on the train when my parents heard over the people shouting outside on the platform that we are looking for a family with a child under 10 where one or both parents speak English and we were you know, we were Prime candidate so we might I guess other families volunteered and they picked us and what the reason they were doing this there was I can't remember which one of the major TV channels in Boston was looking for a family to do a documentary on about Nigerian refugees, and we happened to be that family. So that's how we ended up in Boston.

26:44 So they provided your way to Boston and set you guys up in Cambridge wasn't well. We were they set us up while they you know, what kind of while they needed Us in terms of you know, why we were the it family to do this documentary on and then they did the bare minimum and then my parents rented a second-floor apartment in Cambridge, which looked like it was the lovely neighborhood but everything was covered with snow and when the snow melted we realize we were in a kind of a depressed area, but we live there until the following fall when we move to Newton and I was first in a I guess which was unusual for the time with the school. I attended in Cambridge actually had an ESL class. I was in a class with I think six or seven other other children of all different grade levels from all over I was the only Hungarian Schuyler remember there was a boy from Portugal

27:44 But anyway, I was actually in an ESL class and then by the next fall I moved to the next the next grade level cuz at that age you learn a language so quickly charm. So you guys were in the Boston area not for very long what happens. This is such a wonderful kind of story. I mean, I remember you saying that you guys were getting postcards from California with palm trees and by that point after everything that happened your parents. We're just ready for that and instead of digging themselves out of salad was a number of reasons. First of all after we had done our bid and and they made the documentary from of us. There was really no help offred in terms of finding suitable employment for my parents. So my father wash trucks for st. Johnsbury Trucking Company, my mother sold hats at filene's she gave she worked at Arthur Murray Dance Studio, they were struggling as most immigrants do it was all so brutally cold and you know the car, is that a new one.

28:44 Red could afford where old jalopies which for constantly getting stuck. So as they were pushing their cars in or out of the snow to get it started they would get postcards from two couples who had been really good friends. There's an angry were in LA and the postcard showed their friends that are palm trees and short-shorts as they were pushing the car out of the snow so they decided that it was time to to get out of Boston and did they know that there was actually a pretty large Hungarian diaspora developing until I was already happening because I think it was just beginning that actually Boston had a pretty large Nigerian community and they were active in it. We had Hungarian friends and they had Hungarian friends. There was a not the same not as many as in New York or Detroit or or well Detroit actually was not from the 56 that was from after the second world war. But no, I don't think they they knew or cared about that all they knew was that they had good friends there in the Sun was shining and they didn't have to push their car.

29:45 All right. So you're 10 years old and you move to LA then. Yes, so family packs up. Everybody goes still all four of you together, Uncle Frank and Uncle Frank stayed in Boston because he was in Boston University and he had to he had to finish his studies and by then my grandparents were here hungry had a policy where they let older people out. They kind of had to buy a Visa but Hungary allowed it again. It was one of those things that you couldn't explain other than the fact that they didn't want to deal with that. I didn't want to deal with them and they didn't have to pay you. No pay their pension or support them in anyway, so my grandparents scrape together, whatever jewelry, they still had and sold it and bought themselves a Visa and joined us in Boston. So my grandparents who had only been there a few months and my uncle stayed in Boston while he he graduated from bu and then they came to La later.

30:40 So the three of you then make this move to LA and basically who builds a house with his hands, but I can't go and now I'm ready to be rented apartments for a number of years and we should talk about that house eventually because we used to call at Disneyland on anyway was pretty much the best place ever. But can you I mean talk a little bit about I guess just first moving to LA and and what you remember out of that and if you felt like you were in some sense of home finally, like it wasn't cold and and maybe things were somewhat more settled and I don't know where how did things start really developing for you in LA and like what role did the Hungarian Community I guess play in your your development that you're early earlier development that came later. Actually. I was very happy in Boston. But I remember once we had moved to Newton where we live for the next year. I love my school. I was first in the

31:40 Public school is miserable because I was bored and then my mother put me in the local Catholic School which was much harder and I was extremely happy I had friends. I was very happy in Boston. I had I would have been perfectly happy staying there. But I was a good kid and I was also pretty flexible and we moved to Boston and it was fine. It didn't take me that long to adjust the Hungarian my being involved in Nigerian things came only after I was about 15 that also was partly because my father got very involved in Hungarian theater. He he produced quite a few Hungarian plays a Nigerian operettas all geared for it to the very large Hungarian immigrant community in Los Angeles. Do you know how big it was what the number was? I truly don't know but it was quite large. It was large. I meant he could he could feel

32:36 A good-sized theater the Wilshire ebell Theater, which I get. I don't know. I think it was 800 or 12 1200 capacity and just from people who would go to his Productions. They could have 5656 shows and have full houses.

32:53 So when you were younger you didn't have that many you didn't the cultural connections and it would have connections to hungry and that Community weren't that important. But I think you know, it's interesting to start talking about that a little bit because I'm wondering why that happened was it you said is partially because of who was involved in this Opera, but did you feel as you came of age that you know you had this disconnect where you went to school every morning and you went into like America and California and la and it was a total American Experience. If you worked at a diner it was you know, literally like boilerplate America stuff, but then you went home and you had this totally different immigrant experience and I know that there was still hardships for your parents. When do you feel like that was part of why you started getting more involved in the Hungarian cultural?

33:48 Events in and Community to kind of help help. Identity. I mean, not really I don't think there was any kind of a conscious effort. I think because of the fact that my parents were involved it was there it was part of my daily life in terms of my getting involved again, it just happened and I think it first started because of my parents involvement which led to the next thing. I became involved in a Hungarian Scout Troop, which is actually lots of fun. It was coed. We went camping we went on trips. It was a lot of fun that I became involved in a Hungarian dance group and there really wasn't a disconnected there. It wasn't away a double life where I went to school. I had my friends I was active in school. I was a good student and yet I also did my Hungarian Scout Troop which was you know, our meetings once every two weeks are camping trips or dance group. It was a double life, but it wasn't as functional. They were they both complemented each other. I never felt that I was less.

34:48 An American or that I had left Fun by I had my friends and it it worked out, you know, it was fine and it gave me it also kept me connected to the country. I was born in and but I wouldn't have done it hasn't it had it not been fought sure. And and I also think that in in the case of my parents being as active as they were in The Immigrant community.

35:15 I've heard said this isn't original from my part, but that often The Immigrant children become almost more as Mike is more Hungarian that had I been growing up in hungry because the parents kind of perpetuate their the the values and in the things that they grew up with without it being updated to wedding currently would be at hungry. So for example, the Hungarian dance group, I was in I learned how to dance the chat - what I went to Hungary nobody but that just I'm Garian folk dance. If I go someplace to a restaurant for example and hungry where there was a gypsy band. Everyone was flabbergasted that I knew how to dance at so well, none of them haven't had ever danced it and it was just in the interest of time. I want you to say it if you feel like I think it's really interesting to hear you. And and I mean, who is my godmother your best friend talk about your first trip?

36:15 Dr. Hungry in this feeling of wow, you know these people have these really tight-knit networks and everybody relies on one another and no just fun story clearly people didn't have material Goods in the same way that you did in LA but there was there a sense of all this isn't seem so bad was that hard for you to start to reconcile at all, but it it was interesting because hungarians have always had a knack for them in the whole idea of the glass, glass, communism was that hungry, especially after the revolution when the government realize that they had to give people more freedom and they made the best of it. So they had fun the outdoor be no coffee houses were full the restaurants were full of people had very little but they may do a hungarians of always had a joy of living and being able to enjoy life is within the constraints and mommy and I both found that fun when we went hungry and

37:15 Was also being in a big city where very few people have cars, where as we grew up in LA with driving everywhere and we had friends and we had fun but it was a very different kind of kind of life.

37:29 Is there anything that?

37:33 You want that you want to add I guess about the that your life in LA or I mean, I'm I'm curious as to what you feel you've passed on to Chris and I because of this experience because of you know, being the child of immigrants in as many ways, you know, it's odd because Chris and I are essentially first-generation Americans, but you were the first generation and because you were so young at the time, so I wonder how you feeling this was passed on to us at all. And I think you ultimately will be the judge of that. But I'm hoping that I passed on some traditions. I wish I had made you guys speak more Hungarian when you were little but I think you know, we didn't do too badly. So I hope Traditions the love of some of those Traditions, you're the love of of in recognition of what the people be hot before you, you know, your parents or grandparents their parents the sacrifices they made and hopefully you will be able to continue to pass some of those things onto your children.

38:33 Love of Life music food family keeping the traditions of certain holidays and you know, it always being there for each other and that's part of the reason I wanted this recording to be done so that you would be able to have this and know a little bit about things that we don't necessarily sit around the dinner table gives me talking about

38:56 Is there anything else you would like to add? I don't I don't I don't think so. I mean, I'm hoping that as I said I wanted this recording mostly so that the sum of these things could be passed on to you and hopefully at some point your children and grandchildren obviously 45 minutes is very short time to and I'm sure there's tons more stuff we could have covered and maybe at this can open the door to further conversations and going into more details about about certain things that you might want to know about.

39:28 Okay. Well I

39:37 I'm telling the story of the actual escape a beautiful story about taking soil from Austria. Why does that affect you so much by Trina what I truly don't know because I recounted the story before obviously not in such a formal setting and I've never had that that visceral emotional reaction may be partly because my parents have both passed away and my uncle has passed away. So the other three people that I shared this with are no longer here, but I think also because of the transformation that hungry and the rest of these two what countries have undergone and having live back in Hungary for five years also in the 90s. I also think that even though they now have a far better standard of living in the future is very bright from what I saw of new hungry. I could be mistaken, but I find that a lot of the Soul with the cohesiveness the the the thing that help people together maybe because of all that they had been through the suffering that a lot of that.

40:37 Gone and it's been taken over by the same greed that you know, we sort of in America, you know consumption and getting ahead and building the bigger house and getting the the next house. We're so much of what the suffering and the sacrifices that previous generations have made is gone.

40:57 People who gave their lives and gave everything During the Revolution. They're not even recognize. It's like it never happened the most of the people who are really wealthy and Hungary now are former high-ranking communists.

41:11 I think that story is so interesting know about the the soil because Uncle Frank had to leave hungry to be able to touch ground that he felt sort of like Freon or that he felt more Hungarian on because in that place he was a prisoner essentially and you know, that's where all of you that you still loved his he was of course and that's the whole point of place that I just was forced to leave and now I'm on some other land and hopefully, you know, this place can somehow would love to but I'm sure my parents felt that same way to say how you say God bless hungry in Hungarian. You still allowed to make motorcycles.

41:53 Okay. God bless hungry.