James Albetta, Bob Hoffman, and Paige Ann Ingalls

Recorded September 24, 2011 Archived September 24, 2011 41:58 minutes
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Paige Ann Ingalls (PA) interviews her friends James Albetta (JA) and Bob Hoffman (BH). They share their memories of the time they spent at Ingalside Farm as teenagers.

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How BH and JA met and their first summer at Ingalside Farm.
JA explains what Ingalside Farm is, what it looked like and some of the activities the kids came up with to pass time.
BH and JA talk about the characters they met there and the camp’s many social directors.
BH’s memories of the food served at Ingalside Farm, groups trips and movie night.
JA talks about some of the pranksters at Ingalside Farm and the annual father/son baseball game.
BH and JA sum up what Ingalside meant to them.


  • James Albetta
  • Bob Hoffman
  • Paige Ann Ingalls

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00:04 Okay, my name is Paige Ingles. I'm 57 years old today's date is September 24th, 2011. We are in New York City and I'm with two good friends of mine who have been friends for a long time and I will ask you to give your information POP3 today's date is September 24th, 2011 or in New York City near Foley square and the S page mentioned. I'm a good friend of hers and gems.

00:38 My name is James albetta. I'll be 62 next month. It is September 24th, and we are in New York City Bob and I just traveled from New Jersey and our adventure since we haven't been here in years. And again, we are all very long time friends.

00:55 So today we're going to share a love story it's a story about The Love two best friends Jim and Bob have for a time and place and the people who made it so special the time was the 1960s 70s and 80s and the place was a small summer Resort in the Northern Catskills in Upstate New York called Ingleside Farm. My grandparents Warren and Margaret tremwel Ingles started Ingleside as a boarding house back in 1913 in Greenville, New York. My parents Gerald in an L&L Ingles operated the resort for many years, then sold it to Franklin and Joyce Roth in 1972. They sold it in 1990. It was run for around 10 more years as a resort by another group since 2001 Ingleside has been sold a few more times and is used mainly as a summer camp by Alter Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish groups. It is now known as Camp malka a camp for girls who attended binoche. I'm sorry to attend but no space jakov a school in Far Rockaway Queens.

01:54 So bomb, why don't you tell us how Jim and you first met?

01:58 Okay. Well, I'll start back in 1956. When was the first time I went to Ingleside with my parents and then my parents actually met the in Ingleside when they was single back in the forties and my father slept in the South Annex which was the Rec Hall at the time upstairs were all the single men out of work and I'm at my mother and at that time to get to Ingleside from where they lived in Queens was like a 6-hour trip because she had to take 9W that was before the Thruway with belt. Anyway, when I was about 8 years old, we went back to Ingleside and some of the things I remember back then first driving up into the town of Greenville coming out of New York at the time. I saw this blacksmith shop in the first time if so went for real and they had horses in town and it was just a very strange sight for somebody from

02:58 And got Ingleside and it was a dirt road and I remember my father telling me that this is where he met my mother and he knew Jerry Ingalls when he was a boy and the Jerry used to milk the cows. And so this was hoping to spend the summer.

03:16 And I was quite a quite an adventure as you say we we went and met a number new people the first day were there and there might be some of the friends. I met the Naas and Peter and Jerry Slavic house key, and they had a great time and we did that for the rest of the 50s and then in 1961. I guess it was Jim better that moved into the neighborhood Ridgewood Queens, and we're playing ball and somehow in July revention to that. He was going to be going to a resort in the Catskills and Isis, where were you going and he mentioned Ingleside and I said wow, so we've been going there for like 5 years now and you have a great time.

04:03 Little did I know that the day before we were going to go gym in myself a playing ball at Farmers oval and that he slid into third base knock me down and I broke my wrist. So at least the first year we spent together and Ingleside. I was kind of incapacitated somewhat but you never let me forget it. So I'll let Jim pick it up at this point. It's true. I didn't I have to go into work and say it was a total accident. You just read all the wrong way. Nothing intentional, but the whole time we were up at Ingleside. I had to listen to Bob saying why can't you go in the pool? Cuz I can't get my cast wet. I can't play ball made me feel so bad, but that's okay with a strange start their we lived across the street from each other and basically going to Ingleside every year in the sixties the same two weeks and then during the year we went to

05:02 Same high school together and the hung out together during the week and I'll weekends went out to clubs in the late sixties early seventies met a wise and now we live within 5 miles of each other in, New Jersey.

05:17 The best man at the weddings of each other and so it's been a long long history together.

05:24 So Jim, what can you tell us about Ingleside? What exactly was it? Okay, I just start by saying that affected all of us in different ways put in or all good ways. And I thought about it for a long time and always wanted to write a story about it, which I did and I started out by saying exactly that you know, what is Ingleside Farm? It's it's certainly not a farm because you go there and there's no there's no vegetables. There's no farm equipment. You don't see people growing things at the time and head rolling hill and then and it had a barn but it really wasn't used as a blonde really wasn't because of the bond really wasn't a bond in in in the true sense.

06:24 And at the time that we started going there in the early sixties and Bob even before me it was it was a family place to go was it was really what you would call the timer Resort but not nothing that anyone could sit a resort by today's standards. I mean, it had beautiful scenery it had Rolling Hills. It had a brook and walking trails in woods and some nice nice buildings Butt-head, I guess the entertainment there was basically what the people brought the pool had a nice pool but I always remember the people going down there trying to put the towels because we're enough lounge chairs and the kids would all sit on there was this building that was the pump house, right?

07:15 That's it. We get really hot in the summer time. She had that he didn't have a towel you could sit up there. But I all the teenagers will sit on this pump house and all the adults would be around a pool but for entertainment, I mean, they had a bocce ball set an Old Bocce Ball set that you just threw that even caught you do is throw it on the grass to Old shuffleboard courts tennis court and I guess it was a wall down by the pool that you could play handball on but most of the kids didn't bother too much with that stuff. We went down to what we called the ball field.

07:53 And I think we'll talk about that a little bit. But it was I guess the only semblance to a ball field was that it was an open space it had bases and it had a little wooden stands for people. Other than that, it's in the bathroom certain rooms. You had to share a bathroom with that what three other people may be on that floor or whatever but down the hall to take a shower with the point is that that's not why people went there. They went there because was a place to get away the most of the people that went there were from New York City like Bob and I, you know, maybe if you're from Long Island you were considered a Low Moor country part, but I mean, that's as far as it got most of people are from Brooklyn or queens of the Bronx and going up there was like a different world.

08:50 And always remember

08:52 When you're going home and as you got going south on the Thruway and as you get closer and closer to the city, you almost felt claustrophobic cuz you have to have in a week up there and everything in the fresh air and Open Spaces. Always remember that was that was like one of the saddest feelings that come back into into the city with all the buildings.

09:14 What are the key things that I think you need to know is that if you went to Ingleside you almost wound up going the same two weeks every year because I think that accommodate is about a hundred and fifty hundred and sixty people and the same people pretty much confirmed with their friends. What weeks are going to come back the following year cuz you wanted to be with the same group and pretty much everybody knew everybody and they stayed in contact during the course of the year Christmas cards and such and so that you really developed a lot of friendships and that was very nice to be able to go to a place and you just walk there and it walk right in and you know everybody and that's what made it very easy to, you know, people's habits in their likes and dislikes in a bond right with those people cuz if you went in as we learned as we were older if you went in a different month, he didn't know anybody, right?

10:14 It's always good to go with the same time with meeting the same people and it was a lot of connection and you could pick right up where you left off. So is very friendly will ages went there and it was great because there was a lot of kids RH, you know in the early teenage years that you've bonded with and you had a lot of friendships and great times. We remember about the first time when we first met and would talk about going to Ingleside and you asked me when we were going and I said the last two weeks of July and you said oh good. You're July people.

10:52 Whiskey who are some of the characters that you met and I know you guys gave nicknames to a lot of them document that we gave her a nickname that they just kind of guy that the very athletic and him and his brother Richie played that played ball and I remember Tony you always I think he introduced me to wearing Madras shorts because I remember back in the early sixties Madras was in and it was had like a t-shirt and a Madras shorts and I thought that look pretty nice. So I kind of adopted that and to a certain extent nice to him. I'd ruch even today when I was back in style. Then they were two brothers named Donald and Francis st. John.

11:49 They came from a long island and the Donald got a nickname the chipmunk and he would make a face that look like a chipmunk in and did like an invitation when people do call him maybe make a little chipmunk noise, but all the girls got a kick out of it today or are we staying at Donald do the Chipmunks the chipmunk and after a while he was Francis who now, it's called Frank, but at the time he was he was a cool guy. He had a little bit of a attitude. Sometimes he was called The Mule because sometimes he would get a little stubborn and then I guess that's how we got that nickname The Mule

12:34 I don't think anything else to do that. You just said I'd have I mentioned in the story how we were all into the rec Hall and there's a little snack stand there and you would get ice cream sodas there and he had this big ice cream soda, and I want one of the fellows Mike mohring. It was always cut out Billy fooling around. He asked this is Frances me have a sip of your ice cream soda, so he kind of reluctantly gave it to Mike and Mike took a sip in right away turn to the next person by him and gave them a sip and it went to about 10 people by the time I got back to France has a head and two cents worth in the glasses. He was he was steaming veggies out here all afternoon if you want me to do

13:13 What about Jerry then he have a special nickname and he came out of Greenpoint and said he was a city kid and he would go up to Ingleside and he was fascinated with frogs and he still is so basically he would go down to the pond and walk around the edges and the causes of frogs to jump out and then he would capture them and that he thought it was great fun to attach a bottle rocket or something attached a frog to the bottle rocket and shoot it up. It was the beginning of the Space Program in the early sixties actually. So that was that was one of his key things and the frog killer

14:01 But just to mention that he has reverted to his ways and now he actually has gone down to the market here in Chinatown and board frogs and ask him not to chop the legs but he actually stalks upon behind his house with frogs. So he's kind of done a 180 or 360 how he deals with frogs but he was he was a character to I guess I have to bring my my name up here at this point because I got the name of Fred Flintstone and that name came about I guess I must have been Mike moring again cuz he seems to be the one behind most of the Micah Tony was running the bases playing softball this the way I move my arms at the times was similar to the way Freddy Flintstone ran in the cartoon at the time.

14:57 And so was I was I was known as Freddy Flintstone and I don't know if Jim has any special stories about me that way since he was only known as Freddy Flintstone up at Ingleside and he was very tall but you wait like maybe 80 lb and so the joke with him was very turned sideways. You didn't see himself like, you know, he was a little bit annoyed every time he was there and it wasn't you say with Pat and then it was the wreck social director. The first one that I knew them Ronnie Schmidt. Germany is known as Ronnie the gorilla and he was kind of built like a gorilla stocky and strong and very hairy and he would go down to the pool and throw everybody in

15:57 The pool he would cannonball into the pool. He was first social director that I remember and that was an elite job everyone at least all the boys. I know and maybe some of the girls too, but definitely the boys always wanted to be the social director. I would imagine page that your dad must have been asked hundreds hundreds of times by some of the boys out. Can I be the social director next year? Because this was the greatest job you could ask for is as a teenager. You got to stay the whole summer. You stayed up in the Loft to the Von it had a couple of beds up there and refrigerator, which was always stocked with beer.

16:39 And all you did was drive you if you took care of the softball team made the lineup you drove to the to the other resorts to play softball. You did a couple of scavenger hunts and a couple games with the kids and the rest of the time it was kind of just on your own. It was a great job free food. I remember the social director back in the in the 50s and I think his name was Alan McAdams and this seemed to be a budding romance at the time between edner and Alan and a lot of people thought that that was going to be the next Generation taking over Ingleside. But whatever that didn't work out, but then I think Alan was followed by Ronnie. Jim just mentioned and it was a fella George who was it local fellow who I think had I wouldn't like that. He was related to somebody from the area.

17:39 What year did Wizard of Oz a girl?

17:50 And then we had a friend our age Louis Swope Mike Mora Mike moring first 1960s. Mike was one of them is there he was son of George the trickster who we talked about in a little while. Mike had a fantastic sense of humor. He was a tall good-looking guy and he was a girl magnet show everyone. I mean Mike was a nice guy. You want to be his friend anyway, but if you wanted to be with the girls, you want to be friends with Mike.

18:27 And then I guess following Mike we had the Lewis Alessio and Lewis I go on a single side many years as a guest and then he became social director. I think for one or two years and I can't remember if the him I don't know if there was anything Kathy slammed it for maybe 2 years.

18:52 So Jim, what about the girls at Ingleside? Well?

18:59 Start going up there. I guess I was 11 and that's about the time you start getting interested in girls. And you know, I'm That Never Ends so the time from 11 to 17, you know, that that that's the time you know, what I think boys are interested in girls big time and it was great to see you up there for two weeks and you have to worry about making a fool out of yourself because if it didn't work out he was going home in two weeks. I wasn't a big deal, but all the girls were nice up there. A lot of them came from Long Island and Brooklyn and Queens. So we had a lot in common tube to start out with and it was just a fun time and you had a group of kids that were within two or three years of the same age. So, you know, you just did things together went out to when we got a hold of some of the the clubs and Vince Anna's the pizza place, which was always you always had to go there.

19:59 Two or three times when you when you came up the Engleside.

20:02 And then of course, you always have to include the waitresses because it was very important to get a good table and a good table meant one with one of the young waitresses. There was there was an old lady that. Who is very nice and everything but when you were Fourteen and fifteen you didn't want the older lady at the waitress you wanted one of the young girls that were also 17 or 18 years old.

20:29 So they became part of the group because you know when they weren't working they were hanging out at the resort and they and they were people that were there every year and you got to know them pretty well. I even wound up for a dating one of them for her summer it too. So I thought of you this week. I saw a little kid with a Betty Boop umbrella. Wow, I think I did still have that take mentions that because this one girl nicknames by Mike moring. I'm sure of that I of Betty Boop cuz he she reminded him of of Betty Boop. And so most of the time people just call her Betty and I didn't even think anything about it, you know, so you didn't really give me really Diane.

21:21 That was Eleanor and she got the nickname of crazy Eleanor put in put in it in it in a nice way cuz she was just you just did things differently. She had a different view on life. So we just kind of cool to Crazy Eleanor and I think somebody else when she was welcome to the down the road, right? And then this this this out then it was Donna doing and want to Dune.

21:57 So we want to hear about the dining experience and I think you're a description of the week's meals gives a sense of the rhythm of the week's events for the guests are the borders as we used to refer to you. I think about 2 years ago. You asked me to try to come up with some memories of what we had for dinner and lunch and some of the involvement of what took place in the dining room. So I kind of went up a scenario and I'll just kind of run run through this here Saturday for lunch. So excited to be back at Ingleside for another vacation.

22:35 Who cares what's on the menu as I recall it was ham with boiled potatoes and a vegetable with plenty of milk in the picture.

22:44 Latest turned out to be milk cartons always bread either white or always.

22:53 Juice as an appetizer

22:56 Happy Supply.

22:58 For dinner. What I remember was the beef stew this was always a hit whenever the temperature drop below 70 degrees in July, but we didn't care if we were all looking forward to hearing Frank Fitch his band of renown over at the rec Hall.

23:14 On Sunday at lunch I think started off with a fruit cup followed by turkey stuffing mashed potatoes and a vegetable finished by a piece of Pound Cake covered with strawberries and whip cream. We had to limit ourselves at this meal. No second helpings allowed in order to all fit in the back of the pickup truck which would take us to the ball games at the other resorts at that time believe it or not. You could pile 20 kids in the back of a pickup with no seat belts and what we would go and no problem driving around the hills of the Greenville. And if Mike moring was driving you in about 60 miles an hour and every curve with fast and you could dinner bring back the ham or roast beef from Saturday lunch served cold without potato salad and lima beans a piece of carrot cake was the desert.

24:05 I think Sunday night was movie night. Usually a flick looking for. Mr. Allison after the movie was over. We all got to help slide that she has over to the wall next to the ladies room. So they could be folded up and stacked in the corner playing on the jukebox personality by Lloyd Price. How could something so simple be so much fun and speaking of the movies. I think Jim you have said that the movies that were shown were like one or two years after you saw them down here in the city, right? That's right. Now just as a recollection back in the 50s before they built this new born Rec Wale used to show movies outside on a sheet hang against the wall. And so that was considered the real fun outdoor movies. You would sit on the front lawn. I didn't look at the movie projector on the sheet that's hanging off the South Annex.

25:05 Monday lunch. I can't remember what we had for lunch because I was waiting for the social director Allen Ronnie Mike George Lewis to announce the swap full game highlights and promote the scavenger hunt for later in the week dinner time for chicken with sides of salad and wax beans have to run frog hunting down by the pool at the pond Jerry slovikosky team leader, Tuesday lunch. Be careful today rumor has it that the chairs Under The Moorings table have been tied together so that when you pull one out the other three pull into the table bring on the roast beef with mashed potatoes and corn. I think we had a pudding dessert to finish off the meal.

25:51 The suspect for the table Caper who else Jimmy albetta senior

25:56 Dinner bring on the hockey pucks. I mean the veal cutlets along with potatoes and a vegetable sometimes to distract the Ingleside this from the Emil the singing Cowboy would show up play his guitar and sing as you walked around the dining room who thought up the strategy brilliant.

26:19 Lunch bring on the sliced lamb side portion a green mint jelly carrots and mashed potatoes and chocolate cake for dessert. It can't get any better than this all down to the pool after lunch for Water volleyball.

26:35 If it's Wednesday, it must be spaghetti day with meatballs and Italian bread, you know, all the Italians would get excited for this meal because they would start banging the tables and singing This is table number five number five. Number five. This is table number five. Where is number six the song with then go around the dining room for about 10 minutes. It's hard to believe that you could keep people entertained like this. But but again, this was the 50s and 60s.

27:04 Thursday lunch. I think it was time for him again dessert with special today lemon meringue pie, but we are planning for the square dance tonight and then over to Vince Anna's Pizza shuffleboard Championship is set for 1:30 p.m. To play a game for when I retired 50 years later. Oh, no that time is right now.

27:28 Dinner something tells me that we had fresh ham potato salad and vegetable be careful when leaving the dining room Frank and his leather crafts are waiting for you on the porch and Frank was known as Frank the blind man because remember he was blind that's proved. Yeah, that's true. But we're getting to the end of the week Friday. These are the days of fish on Friday. You could either have fillet of haddock Flounder with tuna fish with lettuce and tomato. Some people are starting to pack to leave tomorrow. You can tell who they are. The other ones looking glum, not me. I still have one more week.

28:03 Dinner

28:04 Some people died at the 24 hours before Friday dinner since we had fried shrimp. All you could eat after dinner head over to the scale in the barn and check your waist. Most people complain. They gained five pounds during the week. How could this possibly be? Did anybody ever do a check on the hundred-year-old scale to see if it was accurate?

28:25 That pretty much sums up my Recollections of the meals and some of the activities we spent and I'll pass it on the gym, please, I just want to make one, cuz I got to do a little hot water by mentioning that the food at Ingleside wasn't so great. The point was that didn't go there for the food and you know as a kid you ate in mass quantities, you really didn't care. You know what the food was like, I mean it was there that they would like to make meals but by any stretch of the imagination, but the point was that when that bell rang and they had this big old Dinner Bell on the porch and where was breakfast lunch and dinner that bell rang a hundred and fifty people Windstream into the main house to the dining room to get there. So, you know, it's even though they were jokes all week long about the food. No one was out sitting on the porch giving up a meal. I'll tell you that right now. We kept track during those years of of records of eating records and I

29:25 It was one very tall young man named Bobby tarantula who I think held the record for drinking like 50 cartons of those little milk cartons and like 27 what we call hockey pucks or rugby of veal cutlets.

29:41 So again, did the food could have been that bad.

29:45 Second you fill us in on some of the tricks that went on.

29:50 Well

29:51 There were there's a group of people that went up there that

29:56 If the mean trickster was George Mooring the trickster and in that group, my my my dad he was he was an instigator as well and and and and Bob's dad buddy. And that every time we went up there there was all sorts of Tricks going on in the Hole Resort was in on them pretty much and I guess the some of the best ones that George pulled where I mean it just over the years my dad took a nap and they threw a dead owl on him while he was sleeping in the bed another time. They close but George was a hunter go out in the field and he would always get woodchucks one time. My mom came back in the room and they didn't know if my mom is going to be coming into the room. They had killed a woodchuck prop them up on the bed and dressed it in like a little shirt and hat and a cigar and it's about my mother open the door when she went nuts and then my dad would get even with the

30:56 Why you cannot putting like 15 watt bulbs in their rooms short sheeting the bed that I just went on and on and that was just a little good-natured fun. I think.

31:08 Gorilla story Jim about the time you riding home on you in your car the first week the first year we were there and we had just you know metal these people and I had a great time and everything and at the end of the week everyone would gather your people will leaving and everyone we said the girls were all crying and the boys would have been crying if it was acceptable, but they were holding back the tears. And so this is the first time in all ways people have that car and it will weaken as well and it seemed like half the place was there wishing us well and to go home and everything and so would you want a great place this is you people so caring right? So we're riding along in the Thruway and people are parking their horns at us and the people are looking up saying this is going on that car. So my dad pulls over and then he gets that will connect the car on the back of the car was a huge sign said caution. This driver is a nut

32:00 Which was a question George Mooring did that and a couple years later. We got even with him we put rocks in his hubcap.

32:09 So that went on all the time. I think just one thing I want to mention real quickly does this was such a great trick that you would pull. He was known as a hunter. So it wasn't unusual for him to have some sort of animal. He had this big trap and he got this huge furry tail that he rigged with a spring and a cable and he came back and he would tell what he first sees is my dad. Of course. He said he had court this Wolverine type animal and he said it's really dangerous. He says you take a look at it, you know when he had it rigged, so I really look like it was something in there and when she got close he had a little trigger that he would pull and the the hatch would open up in this tale would come shooting that my dad. I don't know what he stopped running and he was like no hundred yards down there. So he would stop playing this and all the kids and every cat, you know, they were just screaming and it got to the point where it you know, every time some kid came along who didn't see it yet. George George get another one another one.

33:08 Order me some tricks that the in the morning they would wake you up with one of the waitresses walking around the resort ring the bell to wake everybody up at 7:30 and then breakfast was eight with a ring the bell again and the God forbid if you didn't make breakfast and they knew you was sleeping. They were very willing to give the key to your room to someone and then you would have three or four people carefully open the door and you're in bed sleeping and they would dump water on you just to get you up and there was also a tricks about toilet papering people's rooms. I remember that happened to me and I know I did it to other people so strict on baseball game.

33:58 Okay. Well, I guess that started around the I don't know 63-64 and basically it was an idea that we would have the sun's who now it in the mid-teens maybe 15 16 years old playing the fathers who are typically in their early 50s, maybe mid-50s and it got to be a big annual event and the UN started. Basically. We are you would start to see signs going up around a resort about the game and the roof for the boys room for the men. I remember sign right outside the main house. It says the roof for the boys and get a free drink in the arrow pointed to a water fountain but the rosters went up and practices practices get going. We had the shirts made up with the magic markers with the names of different ball players. I remember I girls with the cheerleaders and I don't think I was Bob Allison and Jim was Jim Paul if I recall.

34:56 And so we got closer and closer. And basically we had a parade down to the field in the dining room before yelling at the announced the lineup in the they had a big sheet and they over the loudspeaker. They were down to each of the boys and We Came Crashing through the paper into the dining room.

35:19 And so the date they the game it was a nice game the parade of symbol that on the front lawn and we had a drum majorette who had a baton April and she kind of let the parade and behind her was Phil. I think named Lou with a drum and then I think Jimmy I'll bet a senior had symbols if I recall right and we had a few other people pots and pans. Basically the whole Resort came out to March down to the field which was you know, a little bit of a walk and it was amazing because she got down there. I mean it was like an All-Star Game Paige's dad said they're the ceremony he threw out the first ball. We had the Pledge of Allegiance. They play God Bless America when you add a wedding down there actually they had two people imitate a marriage ceremony. So it was really a big wingding of an event and you waited till the waitresses got out of work, right?

36:19 I can tell you the first year we lost we would so

36:28 Depressed that we lost my dad. So it was it was only we couldn't believe that we lost it with we thought for sure we were going to beat them. And I know I remember I was like maybe one hit in the whole game and I know my dad had two or three hits and Ice I can't believe he got more hits that I got in the game and but was nice memory though, cuz my dad his health wasn't that great after that. That's the only time you got to play in the Father and Son game, but you know what? I think the second year in a third-year maybe we won but I just remember the first year we did we were getting users have to wear pajamas or something the next day to dinner or for breakfast first year exactly. And we used to play other Resorts and the big rivalry was with you. He'll hated Sunny Hill.

37:26 My dad was kind of a character and we went to these games and he would he would be the Umpire and he was he was always like the comic relief even though he was really a pretty good umpire and the big games we can Sunny Hill in the same. People went to Sunny Hill the same week that the same people went to Ingleside and we had this rivalry going for years, but the people at Sunny Hill with took it so seriously and my dad would get on them during the game and and and kid them and he's always yell out of this grouchy Hill and we are grouchy Hill Farms and then they would get mad. I remember what do it was always close games because it means softball games with windmill pictures. Sometimes we would be like to 21322.

38:04 One game. I remember my dad made a call at first of all, I didn't like my dad being the Empire because I had to swing at everything cuz he didn't want him. So I knew what I was up it was closed, but it was one gave me me to close call and 1st and he called the guy out at Sunny Hill and they got all mad and they started one guy started coming towards. My dad's name is like really angry and Pig George and another fix all volume at how they're cut kind of ran out on the field to stay between my dad and them and all of a sudden the guy said nevermind. It's good to have friends. Okay. Well, I guess we're kind of ending our session here. So can you just sum up what Ingleside meant to you?

38:49 Well is he say I've been on many vacations over the years. I've been to Europe several times and the down on cruises and up to Alaska and they were all great but I honestly can say that my years and Ingleside. I have memories there that outpaced them in many many ways that again it was a simple type vacation people didn't have designer clothes. You didn't know if you were talkin to a banker or two guy cleans the streets everybody fit in together. They treated everybody like I wish they would do today.

39:31 And you felt very comfortable and nobody was it all look into out to anybody else. It was a very humble experience. I know your parents Jerry and Ella made it very comfortable for everybody there and I'm going to let us have the run of the place and I think everybody appreciated the times we spent the I am really sad it ended unfortunately things change and I was up there I guess a year or so ago and you know, I see what's become and I think I said in one of the emails that I almost felt like the the Indian looking out at the area and my Tia comes to my eye because it's not the way I remembered but it was a great time throwing up what the story about Ingleside. Remember reasons just wasn't meant so much to me growing up. You kind of the years between 11 and 17 and you really grow up as a person and it just

40:31 Watch me, but the people that were there and I wrote it was for my dad.

40:37 Custom, he looks like a different person up there cuz he know he was a joke joking around into a different side of him and

40:47 It was it was just a different time. I bobsled in the fifties and sixties and people from the city could get away in the country and feel free to do whatever you want and have a good time. But mostly is for the people the people that we met and have kept in touch with all these years and had lifelong friends. And when I wrote the story it was just basically for myself Bob read it and he said, you know, you really have to do something else with it and I got in touch with Paige and she liked it and I can't tell you how many people I got in touch with that. I hadn't talked to in 30 years 40 years and I talked to on the phone and one girl in to tell him I called up and said I didn't know from one page to next to laugh or to cry but it brought back. Everyone said it brought back such great memories. So it wasn't just Bob and I and Page you've course live there and grew up in a family there. Everyone that went there had fond memories of the place. So it wasn't it was it was something

41:47 Magical and that's why I wrote the story about it. And I think it's it's it'll never die cuz it's in our hearts and in our minds. Thank you for sharing everything today.