Margaret Woody and Philip Perkins

They reach each other’s bios. Philip (P) shares that he was in the military and was stationed in Korea for a bit, and says he’s from NJ. Margaret (M) recalls what her upbringing was like in a multiracial family on a small farm in a predominantly white community. Note: M uses a slur while speaking of her upbringing.

P talks about his lower-middle class upbringing and shares how he joined the Air Force.

M shares what it was like to go to Korea as an adult.

P discusses his father’s life as someone who grew up and lived through segregation, and considers his father’s influence on his life. M shares that her mother was her biggest influence.

P and M talk about race and how it impacts people’s circumstances. They also share that they are both moderate in politics.

P shares that he is a Libertarian and considers how being in the military shaped his political views. He shares a story about becoming friends with someone during military bootcamp who later revealed he was a neo-Nazi.

M considers how many institutions relied on slavery and the exploitation of Asian migrant workers, and reflects on the bigotry she faced in the workplace. P shares some of his parents’ experiences with racism, and how it resulted in his father joining the military.

P asks M for tips to learn more about Virginia as someone who just moved there.