Mary Boatman and John Rossfeld

Recorded August 29, 2021 Archived August 29, 2021 49:04 minutes
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Mary Boatman (63) and One Small Step partner, John Rossfeld (54), share their thoughts on climate change, potential of society, concerns, and hopes for future role of government.

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MB shares work with Department of Interior as an Oceanographer and describes a present project in establishing winter mines. JR shares thoughts on social issues and the redistribution of wealth. MB shares concerns with denigrating government and the importance of structure. JR shares his desired impact of experiencing a worldwide issue.
MB and JR shares thoughts on education, including alternatives to college. JR discusses the benefits to providing housing and healthcare for all. He points out the difference in conversation among those able to work remotely vs. frontline workers. He also gives his thoughts on listening to Rush Limbaugh.
JR shares the importance in understanding left and right views. MB shares the motivation for a friend voting for Donald Trump, and the mindsets encouraged during his presidency.
JR shares his thoughts on President Trump's approach and personality. MB discusses the impact of Trump on government and personal responsibility vs the government dictating behavior.
MB shares expectations of shifting culture. JR speaks on having safety nets for those who attempt dreams and fail to reach those plans. JR discusses the erasure of racism and sexism with the rise of future generations. MB shares her personal concerns with Medicare, climate change, the impact of weather on growth and scarcity of food.

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  • Mary Boatman
  • John Rossfeld

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Virtual Recording

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Outreach

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00:01 Are you? I'm 63 years old and today is August 29th, 2021.

00:09 And I'm going to read the bio I am. Okay. I am so liberal to start my own. I'm so liberal. I'm so liberal. I tried to start my own political party called the human party. I believe we are all just human and that religion capitalism and nationalism are destructive forces in our lives and only separate us more everyday. I believe that. Safe housing, food, information, help, and good, schooling, our human rights. I do not hate anyone. I listen to Rush Limbaugh as much as I watch. MSNBC, I believe we all want the same thing, safety for our children. So I never feel animosity.

00:52 Hi, my name is John. I'm 54.

00:59 I'm going to read Mary's Bayou. I live in Herndon Virginia near Washington DC. I was born in Minnesota, but I've lived in Florida, Texas, California, and Louisiana, before. Moving to Virginia. I work for the federal government on environmental issues related to Ocean energy. I have a PhD in oceanography and when not in school, I worked on environment and ocean issues in my free time. I practice martial arts Garden, do crafts, and love to travel with my husband and try new things.

01:38 Anything in each other's bio that is of interest to you. And you want to ask more questions about it. I would suggest you take the time to do that at this moment.

01:50 OK, Google, what a notion of, what are you studying for? The government, oceanography? Why? I was curious about that. I work for the Department of the Interior. So you think of interior, you think of the parks fish and wildlife Service as such, but there's also the Bureau of ocean energy management. And if you remember the oil spill in 2010, we handle the leasing and we were sort of at the center of all of that. And the part I work in right now is that we're looking to have wind turbines in the ocean off of New England, if you know what I mean? Yeah, so that's so I'm working on the whole process. I just last week, finished up leading environmental impact statement for a project off of Block Island near Rhode Island. It would, it was a small project. It's like, it'll be like 12 turbines about 130 megawatts of power. But we're looking to put in maybe over 2,000 turbines over the course of the day.

02:50 10 years. If everything goes well and generating several gigawatts of energy coming from the wind transferring on Shore and providing all renewable energy and replacing the coal-fired power plants in special on the East Coast. Tried to capture energy from waves and I'm just never understood why they couldn't figure that out right now. The wave generators do about 250km KV versus a megawatt, you know, so you need a bunch of them. You need so many of them. They can't generate enough power. They haven't figured out that it. Can I do it when I get to be too many of them.

03:46 All right. Well mine was kind of out there, my bio. So do you have any questions about political parties? And I also was reading it and going, it's nice that you want everybody to have all these things. But how do you pay for it?

04:05 I love talking about politics, but I never get upset and I don't think ever make anybody upset. I just two weekends that you just last week and happy to go to three different dinner parties with different sets of friend and took the right side of one party to the next party. I'm so often. I think I kind of believe in the inherent goodness of man. And so a lot of the things I think we could do. I think we could do them.

04:37 Very easily if we decided to and usually what my people ask me is what you do is like what how do you pay for all that?

04:47 And,

04:50 So, I guess my opinion is, as long as there's one homeless person or a child, who's not got a secure place to eat sleep. I don't think we should have a single billionaire. So, I do think I do, I believe in excess taxes, targeted, taxes. And I asked you want to redistribute wealth is such a such a trigger trigger term now, but, yeah, I don't disagree with you on that. And I can see, I guess if you are supportive of having a government forces, not having any government, so it'll be more everybody on their own and that brings me to eat. You asked, she asked about, you know, what's our biggest fear concern? My biggest fear right now, working for the government and I've worked there for over 20 years.

05:38 Is just and it started with Reagan how denigrating government and that governments bad and evil. And doesn't do any good and taking away and taking away people's trust in some, some level of government. We need some level of government and structure and Society, we can argue that. Maybe there's some things that we should be spending a lot of money on like, Wars or other things, but, you know, we still need that a structure like that. We still need a collective government type thing to help distribute the wealth, perhaps or provide Basics, you know, from a local level, basic services, to a larger level, how we relate is a country to the rest of the world and on this. And I see this is undermining of government in the 2016 and all of that.

06:31 Polarizing everybody. And then bashing, and not trying to figure out how to build better and that's what scares me more than anything. And I have other colleagues at work, that that I think that's what scares us. All is just this lack of trust in government at all. And, and it's horrible. And I don't know how you build back that trust.

06:58 Okay. So this is my hobby. I tell people you don't like to keep going. You need to tell me when to stop doing most of it is when they they kind of present a world that isn't real, you know, because they have to sell things. You know, I don't know if I ask my friends and they're all starting to make me get more negative, which is sad, but, you know, I I saw what happened with Trump and what happened with covid-19 fraternity to finally get what I want, or we balls experience something together. We'd like, it's proven. We're all humans because Kobe killed everybody. And so I've been asking my friends, like, do you think we're going to get a Summer of Love or not? Are we going to get it? Burning Down The City? Kind of summer. Are we going to? I hope I'm crossing my fingers.

07:58 You know, this maybe you know what this means a big giant group hug, you know, we're very reactive, you know, so, you know, if you remember that from When We Were Young, you know in just immediately is on the same page. I know it seems worse now.

08:30 What seems like really hard to get everybody on the same page? Maybe WWII. Everybody was on the same page.

08:42 It was its heart will not you see with the masks and you want people who refuse to wear masks used to consider getting vaccinated.

08:52 That's not getting everybody on the same page together to fight something.

08:59 Can I do a live mostly the news? I mean I do blame cuz we're on our own is world's now, you know, that's, that's one reason. I've always tried to flip it back and forth from MSNBC The Fox. You don't giving closer I guess but neither one's telling the truth.

09:21 It's disappointing, but I do but we need to be given the chance.

09:37 I'm sorry. I don't want to dominate. No, go right ahead.

09:45 I guess that brings me around 2.

09:52 Katrina and seeing that and seeing the whole Spectrum, I think there's a spectrum of people, you know, I think there are inherently good. There's a general inherently good, but I feel like the inherently selfish seem to be taking over sometimes because from the day we go to school work that you know us and Jamie are going for the same job. You know, that's kind of what I remember school bus to me school from the very beginning. I was told you needed to go to school if you want to get a good job. And then how many people were going to get good jobs. So, for my whole life, at least me, schools have told me, it's me verses that person because it's where, he know, you can achieve any, but not everybody's going to get it.

10:42 So yeah, we're encouraged kind of.

10:46 Yeah.

10:48 Yeah, well, I'm all here. I am. I have a Ph.D. But I, I, I have come to the conclusion that everybody should go to college. And I actually at, cuz I'm, I'm from Minnesota. So, I was watching a commercial when I was visiting. My mother is about two years ago and it was a human resources person. Advertising for a cup for company is trying to encourage people to

11:15 Not force a college degree or experience or other things when you hire people and not force them. Into while you have to have a college degree or you can't have stopped emptying the garbage. Can, you know, I mean, I don't want to oversimplify but you know what? I mean? Well, that's why they need any trade schools at least any of this weekend cuz I want the route. I had a child didn't finish my college. And so I've been kind of a blue collar workers, most of my life and and you know, they have no stability and they don't get paid as much as you get paid. If you have, you know, if you get a job after going through school, so there's that

12:05 Or something journeyman are you know, that's the Mantra that goes now and nobody can live on a part-time job at McDonald's or $15 an hour. And I know McDonald's doesn't get full time. So it's kind of those a jobs. Nobody can live on. Why do I believe everybody? But again, I'm a little crazy on that site. I just see I believe everybody should be guaranteed housing and Healthcare but my friends all say that nobody will do anything. Everybody have to sit at home and do nothing. I don't think that's that's I don't think that's true. I get something out of

13:05 Everybody. Yes. I want to work and want to feel what they want to feel productive. They want to feel like they're doing something with themselves and not sitting around for the most from Katrina.

13:26 When they were, everybody was trying to help people that, you know, how I lost everything, and they came in and found that they couldn't find anybody that want would want to work and his partner. Because the New Orleans is some of that the society had not promoted people from the time, they were born, to have have opportunities and then grow and develop through that. And there were people that had lived on it, simply on welfare and didn't have to work. And then, you know, they're in their thirties. And unfortunately, because Society had taken to that place, they were not able to take advantage of other opportunities. The other side was that they were people that, you know, New Orleans has had like a rubber band effect people would leave and they always come back but some people get motivated them to go other places like Dallas and suddenly their kids were in better school system and they had a better job and that, you know, push them into a better situation.

14:26 So, you know, some people got help and some people came back and and you know, it still hasn't been rebuilt from there. I went there many many years ago before and that's it. That's it would be a bummer. I probably

14:45 Yeah, I guess you know you would I seem to agree on everything. I was giggling? When I looked at this I was trying to figure out what what? I'm not that I'm sorry. I'm not that liberal.

15:06 But I can see both sides, you know, so although I never, I could never stand to listen to Rush Limbaugh, not because of his political views, but because of the fact that he was so denigrating of people talk about people, you know, refer to it in the present but to everybody in my circles, they don't listen to people on the right. So they just they roll their eyes.

15:41 And they have points, you know, I told him the other day, you know, that they're really really lot of my friends are really upset with the people. That won't get back. Just you know, and I hate, you know, why? And I got back but I see their point, you know, I was like, well we've as long as pharmaceutical companies are going to make billions of dollars off of whatever is decided. I can see why I would be hesitant in the FDA still hadn't fully approved. It any emergency approval thing, the part of what it weirds. The approval did was make sure you can't sue the company's. So if something happened at 20 years,

16:25 Nobody will be allowed to do, you know, I I I wished, you know, I want the world to get back to normal. So it's frustrating to me too. Cuz I got back just so I can do Tuesday. Cuz if so, it's frustrating but I

16:40 We didn't seem like we on the left through culture have kind of made those on the right, feel dumb. And as if their worlds being destroyed, just everything is continue in. And in a way it is you don't like to argue the other night that they're right. The Forecastle Rush Limbaugh was the right, things be more honest than the left.

17:03 They're honest. Cuz they're saying, hey, they're destroying our America and we are we really are because we don't agree with sexism racism or all the things that happened in the past. We are changing for the better. You know, it's true. You know it there when they say you're destroying my America. We really are. We try to Make It in America. You see that I disagree with you. I don't, and I have friends that voted for Trump, various reasons, you know, but the ones, the one that explain to me, why he voted for Trump. I really related to and Zedd.

17:51 It's not that, it's that.

17:55 They don't they don't have the job opportunities or see the jobs, you know, he does. The average person out there man, or woman wants to have a good job, put up a roof over their heads around the table and see that their kids have a good or better life. And I think, I think we can all agree that we on that part and then they see when they feel threatened by anybody. For example, form people coming in. But if you look at the history of will my, you know, at my history, of course foreign people couple Generations back, but still coming here and taking their jobs away from them and and really, and my mother really hit on it. My mother is more liberal than I am and her group.

18:43 Is it sparkly technology putting displacing people out of people losing their jobs and their standard a traditional job that they've had and not seeing an opportunity for something different and still Trump. I thought kind of in some ways channel that anger and frustration in a very plain language way and plus they related to him, you know, another issue that it's not just the news it's reality TV. That's really messed this all up but

19:20 In a cell. And I don't know that if he made anything better for anyone, that would be nice. If somebody would actually ask that question, then after four years, they felt like their lives are better. And, you know, for example, not selling soybeans to China, will always lie because, you know, they didn't they lost the farmers lost their market and they were wanting, you know, and then he went and now Ohio. She was a John Deere factory and everything and they still ended up moving the factory to Mexico, you know that we do anyway, so, you know, it makes you wonder what is ice. I wonder what is the appeal Beyond, you know, some people with their basic wanting their basic needs met and not hearing and I feel like the Democratic parties to come to elitist. Like you just said, they don't, you know, you're more educated more intelligent or whatever and

20:20 So, we know that.

20:22 Yeah, I know. I got magic being on the right hearing that all the time that where the lake for about 30 years. It's been the last of smartside, the rice, the rice, the tough dad, but the left is that, you know, that smart kids are going to fix everything and have been told that for so long and you did a great job. And I don't because he was honest because he was completely up front about who he was and, you know, and it'll be even a horrible things. You do heat, his philosophy was just you know, I don't care what you feel and you know, he he told the truth about what he was going to let you know. He he was the heat if I I think it's a symptom, you know, like there's people who runs there's a few people Republican congressmen who deserve some maybe hate but

21:22 The truck was just a front, man. He was just he hit there. Just perfect. I'm mad.

21:32 Yeah, he certainly Channel some kind of something that nobody bothered to listen to it, really destroyed. The government though. I mean, you did a good job, they walked in and they've seen like I believe the government. I don't believe. I think we're done with states rights at this point. I think the government should be, if you want to get crazy ten times the size, it is, I, I I I, I think the government should do Far More Than A test. They do. That's always said, never get the okay from anybody.

22:18 Yeah, cuz in the flipside what what about personal responsibility? That's the the argument of

22:28 People taking care of themselves and and and you know, not having the government come in and do and do their thinking for them or just dictate things to them. Well, I see. It is like yeah. Yeah, there is a growing body and in your teen years, you need to be aggressive in a risk-taker independent. Like from your teen years to your twenties or you need to do but then once you get your mid-twenties, you're supposed to start planning ahead settling down. So I think for a few hundred years or so we needed that to establish things. I think I think it's time to grow up and go into middle. Age is a contrarian.

23:25 Well, I'm kind of I'm hopeful that there is a

23:32 Kind of a deep social cultural change, going on with more.

23:38 More accepting of individuality more accepting of people for who they are and what they are going back to what, really the country should be about opportunity. You know, I it really you know, that whole land of opportunity I can I would like to buy into that. I mean I can't buy in that everybody's good. But I can buy into everybody should have the opportunity to be who and what they are and what their ability is and if they want to be in an actor or musician, a scientist, whatever, you know, I mean, I grew up being female scientist in the world. Do you know that wasn't much fun looking back on it, you know, and and while I wouldn't want to go and play football, I wouldn't want to deny some female who wanted to go play football or anybody who wanted to do it. They have the opportunity to do it, but that doesn't mean they're going to be good at it.

24:29 You know something, so there's that Garrett, you know, just because you want to be something doesn't guarantee. You're going to be good at doing it or you just taking it for when most of us fail it, that's it. Exactly, you know, so you just I just want you to be a safety and I want everybody to try whatever they want to try. But when they fail I don't want them to starve her live on the streets. That's the part that I don't get.

25:05 Could you get people with third homes that have fifteen bedrooms in them? But then you've got people who, you know, don't know. You don't have to depend on a non-profit to eat you. No answer. I don't see how those exist in the same country. You know, when the white person did great. The one person worked hard. They did are they get lucky like Bill Gates, but they, you know, and that's great. But the other one

25:38 Disney Berkshire, Hathaway, what's his name?

25:42 Yeah, yeah, he wants to email, he raise his kids and Anna, and their little house in Omaha and, you know, and he's going to give all his money away is not passing it on, but then you end up with these foundations dictating how many spent all have point of view and they only as long as somebody giving it to him so you can't count on it forever. You can count on it as long you know, sometimes you don't churches, take care of things. I want to do that, don't belong to that church and what if church has happened on Hard Times, you know, like what if they end up, do you know then then where those people go?

26:27 Get on. So I think we're, you know, you and I are kind of on the same page there and neither one of us thinks people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And neither one of us is a fan of billionaires. Probably. We're probably in the same page there. I didn't pick a profession to strive to be a billionaire.

26:50 You know what you're doing something that you you I mean cue should you know, just from this short meeting, you know, I hope you realize you should be proud of yourself and Achieve because it is where you went must have been because you loved it and you found a way to take what you love and live on it which is rare. And you know, you should just lie, you just do what you want with two within what's Shiva Bowl 2?

27:23 And it'll be interesting because I worry.

27:27 You know, again like you said before and it's true like we're going to lose so many jobs because of automation.

27:34 They all play already have. I had that experience with my bank. This is a crazy thing, but wanted to deposit this check, long story went to the mall, where we always go to the mall, and there's the ATM thing, right? You can just deposit, it was closed. So went to the nearest bank that I could find. It was closed. They had just suddenly shut down all the bank, my regular bag. They didn't shut down and it turns out they notify people when they close those locations.

28:05 But then I started looking it up and 50% of all, tellers had lost their jobs because everybody knows that need see how the deposit the check and get the money. And, you know, that's that's your job. Losing your job because of the technology and a towel, a bank teller, they can work your way up to being running a bank manager and, you know, all kinds of things and then wiped out, 50% of the bank teller jobs, you know, the only reason they haven't converted some jobs as they're just afraid of the public relations, you know, there's a lot of jobs are ready to replace and

28:51 I don't know. And then there's no plan for that. You know, it's so I spend a lot of time with younger folks. And so, I my, my, my liberal friends all laugh at me and rolled her eyes. I told him, I think in 25 years, that racism and sexism and be gone, and they, they look roll their eyes hard at me. But I spent a lot of time with anybody that's about 30 and younger, they spend so much time in a digital world that they are. The only thing holding them back is us, is this older than the fact that we've got a lot of 70 year olds in power. I honestly still stick to it. They are we throwing their eyes. I made a monopoly money back with one of them, you know, if you remembered

29:40 But then again, I guess I'm

29:45 Oh, I agree with you on that. I can see that,

29:50 Because I want to believe that that'll come to both White.

30:04 What are the jobs? You don't forget to get those. It's kind of like making a video. Go viral. You don't get to just do that.

30:19 Bradley, there's no way to just get that job.

30:25 You have to work on Tik-Tok dances. And then maybe you can pull it off. That's something I don't. I don't do Facebook. I'd never did. I never did all that stuff. I don't do any of it. But you've done, is it? But I just assumed I do Zoom from work and I just assumed because I was doing my mai tai chi and stuff and we'd started we had some classes cuz we couldn't be together. So so I got used to it at work. We do Microsoft teams. I haven't been into the office except briefly for a year-and-a-half and we've all been able to do all of our work from our homes, respective homes know some of them, you know, and you get used to it. It's actually almost enjoyable that when the little kid in the background is yelling, you know, when they're going to be quiet. I'm on the phone and then they let you know.

31:21 The whole dynamic of how you relate with your job and relate with your family. Are they going to bring you guys back or they going to try the next round of all this? There? They're not, they're not in a hurry because we haven't lost any productivity, because most of what we do is government, pay for Bank of America.

31:48 Well, and back to the politics part of that, like, one of them, that this is really Shone a light on is the difference between classes cuz cuz I listen to wait for me podcast NPR Podcast, but it sounds like there's a division, you know, there's so many people in your situation.

32:09 And then I work in a public job. So I never stayed. I was never at home and then there's so many people that never ever experienced it and there's this dichotomy now, you know, I'll listen to conversations and they're very different, you know, like the perception of what covid was like was is really different. You know, as we were saying earlier College diplomas really? There's a huge fighting like that. I was listening to. That was very interesting.

32:39 Well, we got in the year-and-a-half. I've had like four or five co-workers move to another state because it's like, why do I have to stay in Washington DC area? When I can go someplace else for whatever personal reasons or whatever and I'll put on the flip side. We have the ability to have cuz we have all highly technical people have people. I work with have phds in something or other and you can have the pool of people can be the entire country because you don't have to move or be local or anything, so you can really change your whole Workforce.

33:18 Yeah, and what makes sense? If you know, it could be more productive. You don't have to pay rent on site, you know, there's all kinds of reasons to do it. But then you've got a whole separate instead of people who will never understand that life. You know, they're going to be like, you mean, you stay home all day and you don't have to, you know, I love love a love my house, that I listen to but, you know, sometimes they sound elitist because they'll talk about. You don't like I'm sick of being at home. I baked bread too often, and I've done the sourdough challenge. I'm sick of being around my kids all day. I love him. But and then there's the other 60% of 40 hours a week, going to work punch-in Punch-Out. You know, it's it's it's it's really been, I'm curious. How it's going to get back together again. Let's go.

34:15 It is going to be different. I kept thinking it would be over with a lot quicker than it was.

34:26 What? Tell me something. I don't know. What is your biggest fear or biggest? Hope for what do you think? What's your word?

34:40 Am I ever going to figure out Medicare? And I figure, it's going to take me three years to figure it out. We had, are we going to have Medicare for all maybe that is the thing to have rather than you know, because I can't believe I can die kits, cost me with. Oh, well, you know, there'll be competition in the in the healthcare place and you get to the cheapest whatever and I'm like who wants that right? Yeah. So I moved to Canada because of politics, you know, the 22 years ago. And so everybody will be like all but the healthcare was horrible, you know, it was the best Healthcare.

35:40 Never had, but one of my doctor live basically. In the same neighborhood I did. And, you know, but who knows it is scary.

35:56 It is scary.

35:59 And I think climate change is scary to. I mean, well, I don't know. I believe Mother Earth will win out over all of us. So you think cuz this is your this is your Venue. So what do you think do the 1979 1980 and listening to how the planet would be warming up? Because the addition of CO2 and, you know, that was a recognized 20 years earlier than that, when they started measuring the CO2 in the atmosphere, and I've not a believer in models. I'm a Believer at, you know, going out, an observing things and making inferences about what you'd actually, see, rather than, you know, what playing some numbers into a computer and having Italian, what's going on in the world. I'm not a big into those models, but, you know, now we can ask

36:58 I see stuff and it's actually reaching people. We have public hearings and in law and people in Long Island or like it's real, it's coming. You know, we've got flooding of our streets that we never had before same thing in Virginia. What are you have? A lot of not. So liberal people who at work. So in to climate change until there's streets are flooded all the time and they actually feeling it personally and then, you know, you got it that fires more fires. It's all the things that we're being predicted about the change in climate on the one thing. I don't talk about it. And I said, I'm a gardener its climate determines, what grows where so that is what food grows, and where the food that was in the people, you know, Mother Earth is just a dusting to whatever is going on around it. So

37:53 I don't know. I kind of believe we need to about half as many people as we got on the planet and think might be a whole lot but it's like a bunch of 20 and 30 year olds, most of the time and we were hanging out and laughingly. I told me, you know, what, all of your problems will be solved. If everybody about 68 and older you guys every problem would be stopped cuz you guys would be a charge in about six months later, so they can they can they told me no. Like they can officially had nothing.

38:47 Go.

38:52 But so yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've always mother. But so from that from your point of view though, so do you. So again? I'm so I don't see anything wrong. You have an electric car and I'm in love with it and, you know, kind of angry that back in the eighties. We should have been pursuing that technology rather than the, you know, etcetera. And I'm also allowed reduce reuse, recycle kind of a person, you know, we can, we should be walking lightly on the planet, whether you know, you know, just responsibly in our daily lives, you know.

39:32 That's just my view. And then whether I totally buying the climate change or not. I still think we should be walking gently on the planet. You think we can actually affected that much at this point. You know. It by Aria by a binational changes cuz I'm worried. It seems like we would not be able.

39:57 See if everybody could get behind it, something could happen. But I don't know, you know what everybody will and then she's flashing us stuff. I thought we were supposed to just acknowledge it quietly. Give her enough.

40:15 Anyway, so yeah, I think we can make that. I don't know what beyond the point of no return really means, you know, it means that, yeah, this weather is, the people are going to have to adapt to a new way to plan. It is more like it from you now, or we can adapt to the new way. It is, you know what that person that had the beach house, can't is the million dollar beach house is looking to have a beach house anymore. You know, he want to stay on that one or not, you know, about that. Happy Island was

41:05 Little sacks for fishing and stuff like that. And then the people came in from Houston and built their million dollar beach houses. And then you have to worry about while the storm comes and then who's got the insurance, you know, the federal government's backing, the insurance for these houses, get destroyed. You know, that? That's a problem. You know, I kind of feel like I'm somewhat if you want to build a big house, fine, but don't make me pay for your insurance, pay for it. Obviously people that aren't of means are going to get hurt and that's maybe the hardest part is the people. And again going to New Orleans where there was a tremendous amount of poverty and session, people couldn't leave because I have never gone more than five miles from their house. You're going to tell somebody to evacuate and drive off somewhere when they've never been further than five miles from their house.

42:05 You know, yeah, so I think those that's probably the saddest part is that people that don't have means to adapt, would be the best way to say it. But yes, and the wildfires to think about that, you know, Paradise being burned to the ground and what not.

42:29 Dam water level has ever seen pictures. It's just a devastating and count. So California's. Not sure what they're going to do for water in a few years too. Well, you know, had no watering of The Lawns and all that kind of screwed cuz I'm a veteran, and I hate it.

43:11 Nobody's laughing.

43:22 What's was everybody in your family safe and healthy from everything that happened?

43:27 We're fortunate it. Why haven't I don't have, I don't have any siblings, my mothers and only child don't have a very big family and we managed to navigate the whole thing so far. That's what I kind of feel guilty talking about sometimes. Cuz I've been lucky enough not to really be affected by it.

43:45 So, I feel bad for anybody, that was.

43:50 Well, okay, so well, we didn't get somebody who was completely opposite. Sorry than I can ever have issue with. I mean, what kind of martial art? I like a key. Do you know certain pictures? I was tried. I I was really curious how how it feels.

44:22 Broad minded views, you know, we're not you know, so probably would have adapted to no matter what you know, I get my group hug or is it going to start to burn?

44:50 I guess I'll take my pill. I take with everybody. I guess. I'm optimistic for planet Earth will make it and I'm as Humanity, you know, everything of all. It's just from what I've seen that stuff. That's probably so you think, okay. You just us is going to be 5? What would we decide to do is use our civilizations come and go. If, you know, study,

45:27 It's like a year before before 1492, 4091 that talks about what North and South America were like before white settlers interesting ever lived in North and South America before colonization or whatever and in all the evidence for its really, it's very interesting. So people been around a long time and civilization. I'm gone. And groups of people are coming on and part of the evolution of things. Now, you know, they seem to think that, you know, nothing needs to be examined anymore. Like we're all we all got it and it's just like, no, we're not even halfway through, you know, who knows? You know what I think.

46:27 It was just, you know, when two thousand years to know.

46:36 Yeah, there might not be anything. Maybe they'll be back to trees and not dark again. Oh, I'm just me and you know, I was thinking this is wonderful One World Government, will we all love each other?

46:48 We just were exploring space because we want to not cuz we have to, you know, that could happen to

46:56 All right. I know, right? That was a very silent.

47:04 But it was great to meet you. I'll say that and

47:09 We're not so out there know, I wasn't sure. I was really excited to do it and then here though you seem just like another human being to me in a very open to everything but I have always had a tiny bit of prejudice about that's out and I'm totally that I have this image of the South and you know, we also because of history and I've been born on the west coast raised on the west coast. Always on the west coast you do. So, I've always the cell

48:09 Virginia. Southern Virginia. Yes, you can drive by.

48:20 North Virginia's, okay.

48:23 We got a positive not sure if I'm positive, she's pot.

48:33 So we got to close it out, I guess and say thank you is nice to meet you and Northern Virginia has somebody from everywhere every popcorner, the planet. So we don't do that. Everybody in Virginia is fine. Okay.

49:00 By guess.