Mary Ann Andries and Lisa D'Souza

00:06 Today is October 9th 2006 and we are participating in the story course program in Boston, Massachusetts. I am Mary Ann Stein Andries. I'm 61 years old. I was born August 22nd 1945 in Wilkinsburg, Pennsylvania. I am the only daughter in Third born of Edward and Thelma Steins for children. My brothers are Robert Edwards who died in 1944 the year before I was born Edward Joseph and David Williams Stein with me today is my daughter.

00:42 I am Lisa Nicole Andrews D'Souza. I'm 30 years old. I was born February 16th 1976 in Cleveland, Ohio. I am the only daughter and second born child to Mary Ann and John Cameron and race. My older brother is John Christopher and raised.

01:02 Today we are going to share some of the memories of Marion parents. My grandparents Edward Joseph Stein senior and Thelma Hazel loewenstein. Pardon us up at times we cry, but I'm Thelma both recently died this year.

01:18 Southfirst tell me about Ed.

01:21 Well, my dad was born on September 28th, 1914 his parents were Edward Michael Stein and alofoke Stein. He and his older brother Regis were born in wall, Pennsylvania a very small community and we're raised at 554 Broadway Extension East McKeesport.

01:42 Their father died when he was 49 years of age when Ed was 5 and Regis was 7.

01:51 They're their father had a twin brother Uncle Bill and he died at the age of 94 and often spoke of the irony. The twin brothers would die want it 49 and the other at 94

02:07 They did not have much money when they were growing up, but they may do.

02:12 And used his brother's hand-me-downs, but he didn't mind Regis went to work after completing the 8th grade and my dad got to go on to high school at Turtle Creek Union High School.

02:25 My dad would often say the Reeds was a good brother too. Good. In fact, he said read would fix things around the house and send him off to play and that was why he himself was not very handy around the house.

02:39 The boys live with their mother until she died from thyroid cancer in 1935 when they were 20 and 22 years of age.

02:50 The next year my parents were married on September 26th 1936 at St. Peter's Catholic Church in McKeesport, Pennsylvania. My dad said that the priest would only marry them on a weekday stating if I marry you on Saturday, you all just go off and drink that night. My mom said the real reason they wanted to get married on Saturday was so they wouldn't have to take off a day from work and lose the wages.

03:20 That was very important to them.

03:23 Regis was Ed's best man in Selma sister may was her maid of honor there were no fancy wedding outfits or lavish parties the men wore suits and the lady said on Lovely dresses hats and gloves that could be worn again after the wedding. They were very practical people.

03:43 Their honeymoon trip was a trip down Skyline Drive into Virginia and they returned him to to live in the family home with Regis who was still single.

03:54 After 6 months or so Uncle reach decided to rent a room just two miles away at the town of Lucca men's club in Wilmerding.

04:04 Velma said

04:06 That it was good that he decided to move out because he was a very particular person. He likes things just so for her that first year of marriage was like having two husbands to get to know and care for

04:20 I'll tell me about Selma's early years.

04:24 Well, my mom was two years younger than my dad. She was born July 25th, 1916 in the character section of Pittsburgh near Mount Lebanon. She was the fourth born of the five children of William Edgar Owen and Mary Elizabeth schmeater. Her older siblings were met Robert and William Edgar and her and Anna was her younger sister.

04:55 It was a great deal of family turmoil because the Owens were Protestant and thus meters were catholic and the children were being raised Catholic in 1918. Her father died during the flu pandemic and her mother was hospitalized at the state psychiatric hospital.

05:14 Even to this day. We've never quite known just what Her diagnosis was, but without parents to care for them the five children went to live with aunts and uncles

05:27 Thelma was sent to live with her mother sister Anna Volk Wilson and Annie's we called her and Annie Annie's second husband Jim Wilson and herb and Thelma's cousins Lillian and pearl to me. They were known as Aunt Lil and Aunt Pearl even though they really were my second cousin's.

05:49 Answer and Annie's two boys were grown at this point and married and lived close to the family home on Lebanon Church Road in Roseburg, Pennsylvania, like add summer remembered hand-me-downs and not having much money.

06:07 There were only a few toys and Aunt Annie never seem to smile. She could always be seen standing in the kitchen by the sink or the stove.

06:17 Although her cousins were allowed to finish High School. Selma was my mother was only permitted to complete the eighth grade at the age of 14. She began working full-time as a nanny for Jewish Family in the Squirrel Hill section of Pittsburgh.

06:35 Do you remember how your parents met? Oh, yes. In fact, I had the pleasure of hearing them being interviewed and talk about this time when they met they were interviewed because they had been married for so many years so they told the story and it was it was really nice to hear them chat about it. They met at a dance and I think dances were one of the only social places where single people could go to meet each other.

07:04 Add saw her across the room and he told one of his friends. That's the girl. I'm going to marry.

07:11 Edwards recalling wants the first time. He kissed Thelma and mentioned that because she was so much shorter than him. She was standing on the front porch two steps higher than him which made it easier for him to lean over and kiss her.

07:26 So what did Ed look like? Wow Ed was a skinny kid who grew up to be over 6 feet tall. He was handsome with a long straight nose blue eyes a cleft in his chin long legs and brown hair that send out early leaving him bald on top with with eventual and eventually with white fringe going around the back from ear-to-ear. He often wore a hat from his Sunday Best Stetsons to ball caps. He really didn't like to leave his bald head show.

08:00 Most of his life. He only weighed a hundred fifty-two 160 lb, but once he retired after 43 years as a letter carrier for the US Postal Service Branch 322 McKeesport, Pennsylvania, boy, did he start to add on the pounds?

08:18 He finally maxed out at about 290 lbs and had a belly.

08:23 This was quite a change from that skinny kid.

08:27 When I was a child, his legs were so long. But I remember that it was hard for me to keep up with his long very long strides.

08:36 And I remember him growing in his beard and looking like Santa Claus when he had his white hair and is red vest on at Christmas time, especially when we topped it off with a Santa Claus hat. What did Thelma look like Velma was the opposite of that in so many ways, but she did start out. She also started out as a skinny kid by her 20. She was very pretty with brown hair and Hazel Eyes a long straight nose and dainty think thin fingers. She was of average weight, but definitely short in stature it five foot two.

09:10 In contrast Ed Spalding head. She had a thick head of hair which eventually turned white. She kept her hair short permed and quaffed. She always look neat and trim.

09:23 Many people compliment her on her hair and her clothing ladies with thinning hair. We're always envious of that thick head of hair. Even. I wish I had her hair and hairstyle. I look more like my dad side of the family and do not look good with with a super short hair do

09:41 How do you remember Ed as your father?

09:45 Well, he was pretty easy-going. But if we were upstairs the we being my brothers and I and II noisy, he would first holler at us. That's probably because he was in front of the television and then come up and spanked us but that really was the Rarity. Mostly we just got hollered at after I also remember him as after a long day of work at the post office. He would come home and sit in the living room in his favorite overstuffed recliner with a bottle of beer. The newspaper would be in his lap the TV turned on and then he would gently fall asleep before dinner.

10:25 One special thing. I remember was when I was about nine and I remember him reading me the book called the seven little postmen. And of course that was very special because Dad was a postman.

10:40 My dad was also in charge of doing things like cutting the grass and trimming the hedges, but only to Grandma specifications. She always had to come out and check things out to make sure he was doing a good job. He wasn't much for helping out around the house, but he did do windows and that's a blessing.

10:59 On the rare occasion when Ed had to cook for himself. He took great pride in describing how he added a can of stewed tomatoes to a can of Campbell's tomato soup and called it dinner.

11:13 Lisa how do you remember him as a grandfather?

11:17 Well, I only remember him after they move from East McKeesport to Northfield, Ohio after grandpa had retired in the post office. So I was about 4 years old. I would always ask him to read me the story 101 Dalmatians because I just loved it. So I asked him to read it over and over and over again and sometimes he would just get tired and you fall asleep or skip words or even pages and I would always tell him that he messed up and he had to reread the page to me cuz I knew all the words by heart even though I couldn't even read.

11:48 I also remember when he used to babysit for my brother, and I and he always wanted to watch Mash on TV, which wasn't really my favorite, but it didn't really bother me.

11:57 Also remember when you would come over and vacuum all the carpets in our house all the rust-colored carpets and he would want to play with the FBI family dog that he and Grandma had picked out for the family 1972. You're always tell us that a few with the best dog born on the banks of the Yakagany River and it was that he was with us for almost 19 years and it was sad for him more so frighten anybody that one. He had to put to sleep.

12:27 I also remember when my brother was 16, I want to be 4 years before I was 16 and he got a speeding ticket within that first year and grandpa said that you would pay for it since it was a very first ticket that Chris had ever gotten and he said he would have cost you the same for me when I got mine. Well lucky for me. I never got him to pay for it and 29 years later and still take it with but we'll see how long that lasts.

12:53 When I was in college grandpa really like to follow the Wake Forest field hockey team and where his Wake Forest hat and it's Wake Forest sweatshirt and support the field hockey team, even when we weren't so good. He attended one game with my parents against Maryland and would always talk about how fast Lindsey McVicker was she was when the Irish players on their land they could pretty much beat everybody on our team.

13:16 So even after college when I was a coach up in Manchester Essex High School and Mom would bring him up to watch our field hockey games and he loved to come and watch the team and when they made it to the state playoffs, he gave everybody Kennedy silver half dollars for good luck and a lot of girls still have them today and one time when he was handing them out the newspaper. I took a picture of Ed handing out the coins and it's on the front page of the paper.

13:46 How do you remember Thelma as your mother?

13:49 Well, I felt kind of bad when I was doing Ed's. How do I remember him? But you'll he spent most of his days gone. He was the post office all day and you know it and he was very faithful and loyal worker. And so if he just wasn't around as much and my mom she was around all the time. And so I just like have so many memories of her. She was a hard worker and focused on doing everything that needed to be done to keep a clean and tidy house very rarely was anything out of place my house probably really kind of scared or since I have lots of things out of place. She has a cleaning schedule and we stuck to it on certain days when I came home from school. I had jobs to do and they were done before I could go out to play.

14:39 I can remember her laying on the couch for a nap, but then should always get up and work again.

14:46 She was an excellent seamstress and she make clothes not only for herself also for me and then won the special thing. She did was she would so new sets of priests vestments and altar Linens, you know priests vestments came in a lot of different colors. So sometimes the dining room table would be covered in Gold fabric sometimes in bright red sometimes in green and all the trim and you know, she really did a wonderful job. I think what the priests like was that she probably didn't charge them anything. She probably just did it.

15:21 One of her contributions to the church.

15:26 That was really the only time I can think of that when the dining room table was just a mess would be with sewing projects when I was 12 then and learning to so she would teach me all the tricks. She knew and that's very helpful because I was learning in school. But you know, there was a lot of things she had learned by experience and so she shared all that with me.

15:48 I really have so many many memories of the many hours that we spent doing things together. I asked her lots of questions and she was patient as I learn new skills like baking and cooking and ironing on the things I used to iron. Yeah, you still can't iron the cheese to have me iron. My dad's handkerchiefs and the pillow cases for the bed and one reasons why she had me do that is because you learned how to do and you learned how not to burn things. Then I also had to iron all of you and my younger brother David's clothes, but I also learned how to make jelly and even how to defrost the freezer and clean the refrigerator and trust me. These skills came in in handy because that was before they had frost free refrigerators.

16:35 1 things I remember was friends and Neighbors coming to our house for sell my mother to trim or perm their hair. My dad would always come home from work and say what's that awful smell course he knew what it was but he still had to say it in the fifties and sixties the Tony or lilt home permanents really did smell.

16:59 The same friends the kind of got to be my friends. They would come every 3 to 4 months and I'll be time for another perm and they would sit around and talk now I would hang out but one thing we do is we all drank tea together. That's how I learned to drink my tea with cream and sugar.

17:16 But I would hang out in the kitchen and watch and listen and Not only was I learning how ladies give perms and cut hair. But I was also learning from lot from them about life every so often though. I was told I had to leave the kitchen.

17:34 That was when I knew that was some extra juicy gossip being shared. I think I probably like went not too far away and listened extra hard cuz this shortly had to be a good story and a couple of friends were really kind of wacky people. They weren't they weren't like her original friends. Like they weren't people from church or people she went to school with she used to babysit for one young boy. And when she did that we got to know the mother and grandmother and that family and oh they were crazy family.

18:04 Something that I always remember about my mom is that on Saturday night. She would file her nails and put on nail polish for church the next day.

18:14 When I was younger, she would set my hair in drag curls and as a family we would all sit and watch TV. One of our favorite programs was watching Boston Blackie.

18:25 Mom wasn't all work and no fun. She did teach me a lot about work, but she also taught me to swim and play games in those days before family rooms. The dining room table was a good place to paint by numbers together make potholders and learn how to crochet.

18:44 Lisa how do you remember her as a grandmother?

18:49 Well, I remember grandmother taking Denise and I to the Greenwood Village pool all the time in the summer and then we get to go to indoor pool in the winter time. We would stay all day long and she didn't seem to mind it at all should bring a snacks and drinks and we will enjoy the whole day. She always will come swing with us when we asked her to and she loved to play Ring Around the Rosie with us, but when we all went on Thunder Grandma never did because she didn't want to get her pretty white hair duet.

19:19 And then she hadn't really driven a car for about 30 years when I was around age should recently learned. It was always very interesting for us to take rides with her. Plus. She was so short and the 1979 Impala was so big that she had to use a cushion just to see over the steering wheel once even hit a fire hydrant when we were trying to find a playground. We really wanted to go to another not go over well with Grandpa.

19:46 Then she was so short. I also remember that every year I couldn't wait to get measured to see if I'd finally gotten taller than grandma and by the age of 11, I'd already made that achievement.

20:00 Since Grandma as you mentioned was such a good seamstress. She had made me this beautiful elaborate Snow White costume for me in the second grade. I wore it to the choral performance of the whole class. Did then featured all sorts of Disney songs, and I remembered his feeling so beautiful in it. And I look exactly like Snow White. I even got to wear purple heels, which was pretty exciting when your 8 years old. I even remember that she helped you make me the fancy Smurfette costume for Halloween as well.

20:31 I remember when I would go visit her condo. I really like to practice my sewing and she would give me her leftover fabric scraps so I could throw them together and stuck them with fiberfill. I make little pillows for all my stuffed animals and all and then when I was in junior high she even made me this beautiful Patchwork quilt to match my pink bedroom, but I still have today and she decide after she made my quilt that both my brother and my cousin Susan Elizabeth all should also have a quilt. So now we can always remember Grandma by the for quilts. She made for each of the grandchildren.

21:05 You know when you were talking about working with Grandma and the things that she made with you. I remember whenever she was working on a project with Chris your brother and made that elaborate Western store with all the little figures in it and little things on the shelves and then she worked on your doll house and she really liked you like to get into detail projects.

21:32 So what are some of the things that add really enjoy doing in his life?

21:37 So I have to say he really loves sports as a young man. He played baseball and fast-pitch softball at the ball field on the Terrace and the team was called The Terrace Hawks when I was thinking about that. I remembered that the they lived on Broadway Extension, but the alley that came down on the other side of the house Broadway Extension was in front in the Alleyways behind there. This is their old house not the house you would have ever gone to and it was called hockey alley, so I wonder if that influence their picking the name the Terrace Hawks. He also like to go bowling with duckpin bowling at the Turner's Club.

22:18 He read just about everything. He just he really just love to read drinking Iron City. Beer was a favorite and also old Granddad and then I had to go a little older. He really got into playing golf. And I know one of the stories that I wanted to share was one of his baseball stories was because he really did enjoy baseball, but as he got older his right shoulder sorry to bother him and what he would always tell people was that I hurt my shoulder years ago and I hurt my rotator cuff when throwing a baseball into this day. It still hurts. He would always talk to his doctor a doctor Winters who is also our neighbor had talked to dr. Winters event. Can you do anything about this shoulder Jeff course, he called his doctors by their first names because they were all so much younger.

23:12 Those were a few of the things I remember.

23:16 Was there anything he wished he could have done in his life, but didn't get a chance to do.

23:23 You know, he did get to go on to college whenever his brother only got to go to the 8th grade, but I think what he really wanted to do was to go on to college through didn't know what the hell he went to college and so he would have liked to have gone to college. In fact, I think at one point he actually signed up to take a few classes but money was really tight and they had children very young and when they were married just two years my oldest brother was born and so they were very busy with that. I think the other thing he would have liked what he would have liked to have become would have been a writer, you know, either like right books or a sports writer since he really likes Sports. He could have come by riding with sports and he also would have liked to have been an actor.

24:11 In the 1970s after they had moved from their home in East McKeesport and Ed had retired and they moved into a condominium in Northfield Ohio. That was whenever he got two in his retirement to be in a play. He played the part of a ape Cutler in the Brandywine players production of the desk set. I may have his character's name slightly wrong, but it's something close to that. He rehearsed and rehearsed and he did an excellent job. Although he was really worried that he wouldn't he was especially pleased that he had the same part that Spencer Tracy played in the desk set with Katharine Hepburn.

24:51 Were there at the certain things that he really like to eat? He was very vocal about this and now he told you what he liked and he told you what he didn't like he loved cream corn and you know in the last 10 years of his life shouldn't said that a lot of green color are sweet potatoes prime rib with mashed potatoes and gravy Thanksgiving dinner peanut butter klondike's and chocolate-covered cherries and things he didn't like anything that was green any vegetable and broccoli. And in fact, he told he would often tell people that the only thing he ever agreed with George Bush the first George Bush the president he agreed with him that rot vet broccoli wasn't any good did not

25:51 Like broccoli

25:52 How would Ed's friends describe him?

25:56 Be what it said that he was a good guy and fun to be with he loved to tell stories and jokes. He was very loyal and dependable. He had a good strong voice in the men's church choir.

26:09 And he was always willing to lend a hand mom and dad would often tell the story of how he stopped in the dark of night in the early morning hours to help a man with car trouble. The problem was he did this on August 22nd 1945 when my mother was in labor and he was driving her to Columbia hospital in Wilkinsburg so that I could be born fortunately as soon as the man realize that my mother was in labor. He sent them on their way and I made my grand entrance at the hospital rather on the side of the road.

26:43 When you said about how would people describe Ed, you know, he loved to talk about all the friends. He made in his 43 years of the post office and probably a few enemies. But if I were a few situations were some of the relationships were strange because you know, everybody was different with their personalities and I had never known this until more recent times whenever he said that the men at the post office some of them called him. Mr. Perfect. And yes, I kind of had to check with someone or what does it what does that mean to be? Mr. Perfect. And he said well, you know, I always tried to do everything very thoroughly and if people wanted you if I was told I was supposed to stack mail certain way or do something by a certain time or bring something back or deliver something. You know, I always did it and I know he would mention that on his day off somebody would cover for him and it was one man that covered for him that

27:40 I definitely always screwed things up and people on the route would often say oh Ed we knew you were away because you would never make a mistake like that. And so those kind of stories kind of got around and so like I said a couple of guys at the post office would refer to him as mr. Perfect and if he ever made a mistake, I think they really kind of harassed him and Hounds of how to remove a bit like her. Mr. Perfect. You know, I won the things that that he did at the post office was they were always looking for suggestions and they would pay you for suggestions. And so they paid him for one of his suggestions, which was to color code mail routes likely be a blue router Red Rider yellow route and this had to do with ways of making it more efficient for the employees to handle the mail.

28:31 And he would often say that it really was no, he never claimed that he invented zip codes, but it was like a precursor to that. It was a way of sorting mail in the post office. Like I said, that made it more efficient.

28:46 I think you got paid $2 for a suggestion. It wasn't great Mia maybe 25, but you often times, you know, it's more the honor of being recognized than the money that you actually get.

28:58 So did Ed and Thelma overcome any major obstacles in their life together.

29:05 I think that the biggest obstacle obstacle that they had to overcome was the fact that they're first born son Bobby got sick at the age of three he began to stumble and trip and when they couldn't figure out was quite wrong with him and took him to the doctor. They eventually determined that he had a brain tumor and he had surgery and he ended up having multiple surgeries between like the age of 3 and about the age of 5 and 1/2 and because he did die from this he had a malignant brain tumor and when you have a child die

29:45 Easter always the toughest thing.

29:48 They always would say that.

29:52 Apparent you know, it's it's it's so hard for a parent when they lose lose a child and it had a way of phrasing it that

30:03 The parents are just not yo, I'm getting it backwards that children should not perish should bury their own children.

30:15 And he always compliment in Thelma and said that

30:20 The last

30:24 The last month of Bobby's life. Did she spend it at the hospital with him and what a good mother she was and they didn't live close to the hospital. So she actually went there and lived and they were very kind to do that cuz that wasn't as routine as it is now and my dad would come and get to come and visit and my brother already had to stay with relatives.

30:51 Anna he did he did die then in 1944 and my parents tell me that that was a very much wanted pregnancy and it's funny. My dad referred to me as the replacement child and I always knew that even though I had never been told that but one time whenever I was in a session, you know how it because I thought childbirth classes. I would sometimes go these different meetings and one time. When is it one of these sessions? They had someone there who is doing guided imagery and having us doing different things and they had a closing our eyes and drawing pictures and then describing things and that was how I describe myself that I was a replacement child. And even though it was never fertilized. I think I knew that

31:47 And I never I didn't I never feel bad about it. I always feel bad that they lost Bobby.

31:55 And it was always that picture is that was probably just played where he's about 5 and and it is about 3, and that was just my very strongest, you know, a very strong image that I had, you know of any kind of he was alive for me even up until the age of 5, and I used to always ask Grandma.

32:19 Tell me the story of la vie.

32:21 And she did and your bless her we would I can get my composure back. We would open the Cedar Chest and go in the Cedar Chest and take out Bobby sings and look at pictures and I realized that

32:41 I was probably one of the only people that Mom could do that with because you know, after 10 years your neighbors and friends. Don't talk to you about the death of your child. They expect that you've gotten over.

32:55 So I think I was good for Mom in that regard because I let her kind of relive his childhood and even talked about his death and I remember going to the cemetery and a little gravestone there.

33:14 Anna

33:16 It wasn't that it was a pleasant memory and it wasn't it was terribly sad. It was just expected Before Memorial more Before Memorial Day every year. We went and scrub the gravestone play the flowers and pulled the weeds and ended all those kinds of things and I think that really was the hardest obstacle that they had to overcome and then of course after I had been born in 8 years later David was born and again, he wasn't expected but he was very much wanted, you know that and then it would say mom told me she said we didn't do anything to prevent pregnancy that when our children can they came so please we all know we were wanting so it what would you ask that if you were here today?

34:04 I'll ask him to tell him all of his favorite stories. He had favorite stories. He'd love to tell them and I just asked them to tell them all over again. But this time I'll be sure to tape record him doing it because he just had so much detail and they were very vibrant stories for him to share a couple of those in our last few minutes. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. Well one stories he told was about how his grandfather never hugged him and he thought that was a little unusual but probably not for the time because you know, it was in the early nineteen-hundreds. So that was a big memory for him. Then he's like to tell the story of mrs. Ogilvie who lived next door to them and she was Scottish and he said I never heard my mother raised her voice, but when mrs. Ogilvie was complaining about something in the United States and you know and just generally complaining his mother said well if Scotland is so damn good then why don't

35:04 Just go back. There was very unusual for a woman at that time to fuse there any of a curse word. So he like to tell mrs. Oakley story. He like the Betsy Fleming Story. Jessie Fleming was a story about a lady on his route who would come up to him and said Ed Ed's. What did you what do you what do you peddling today and add set all Best of You don't want any what do you how do you have and what do you have if you don't want any Bessie and finally Bessie and cysts and it said Bessie and she's an older woman Bessie. I have Kotex today and she is all you're right and I don't want any.

35:39 And then he told the story of mrs. Firestone. It was his first day on the route a new route and it is he arrived at this house. There was no number or name on the mailbox and he went up and knocked on the door and he said you really need to put a number in your name on the mailbox. And she said well why I've lived here 25 years and everyone knows me. I'm mrs. Firestone and she said well, he said well, I'm at Stein and I've been on the job exactly one day and if you expect to get mail, you better put in a number and name on that box or you're going to be able to get your mail.

36:13 The other story that really got him going with his story of whenever the New York Yankees had beat the Pittsburgh Pirates early in the 19 hundreds and that just really upset at me and he was a real true Pirates fan and so in the 1960s whenever the Pirates finally beat the New York Yankees in the world series. I mean the the town was just elated in edges couldn't sit still and he just was so happy. And of course then the Yankees winning through the years. I've been very successful ball team when we moved here to Rhode Island and he was not reading for the Boston Red Sox boy was he eager for the Red Sox to beat the Yankees and he would truly have said those damn Yankees because he wouldn't he rooting for anybody that could beat the Yankees. That's how that's how much he hated. The fact that they had be his pirate so many many many years ago before so in 2004, he was just elated at the Boston Red Sox.

37:13 Pick one some of the other person that he loved to talk about was Arnold Palmer, you know Arnold had caddied at Latrobe Country Club as a teenager Ed head caddy there and he was really a real fan of Arnie's Army. And if I get one time he gave Arnie some old antique golf clubs, and then he even went back to play at Latrobe Country Club. So he really was a fan of Arnold Palmer.

37:45 And I wish that it's been really I guess both emotional and in a lot of fun sharing the story of Edward and Salma Stein and I'm really happy that we could do that today. It's really sad though because they both died and my dad died on December 28th of 2005 and my mom died May 20th of 2006.

38:17 And it's it's very very hard to not have them and I'm just so lucky that I could have my parents well into their into their nineties. My my dad died at 91 and my mom at 89 and they are very much missed. So they're very 69 years. Yes, but thankfully last year you play the little party for them. Knowing cuz usually you do it at the $7 Mark. Knowing and you had a nice party at Greenwich pay for them and they got to have a cake.

38:55 Music by fetty cheddar and give a nice big kiss and he wouldn't said he would would die and they would never get to see their 70th birth of your 70th wedding anniversary.