Patricia Adams and Bryan Adams

Recorded May 1, 2010 Archived May 1, 2010 44:07 minutes
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Bryan Adams (33) interviews his mother Patricia Adams (57) about her work life and her family.

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Patricia talks about the strong work ethic she inherited from her father and mother. She says that they never missed a day of work.
Patricia’s first job was in the credit department at Sears at age 16. She made $2.25 and hour.
She remembers the “Mr.” accounts that were designed to restrict credit approval to husbands.
Patricia also had a job teaching people to drive and recalls working with teenagers and widows who were just learning to drive.
Patricia grew up in a time when one’s job was simply a means to an end and was not about fulfillment or self-actualization.
Patricia reflects on the way she raised her children in regards to work compared to the way her parents raised her. She says she was much more interested in her children as people, wanting them to find work that was compatible with their interests.
Bryan reflects on what it was like when he first started working in his parents’ law office.
Bryan says that his parents rarely gave advice about work but set a great example of excellence.

Participants

  • Patricia Adams
  • Bryan Adams

Transcript

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00:04 Okay, my name is Bryan Adams. I'm 33 years old. Today's date is May 1st 2010. Where in Dayton Ohio and I'm interviewing my mom.

00:18 I'm Patty Adams. I'm 57. Today's date is May 1st. 2010. I'm in Dayton, Ohio being interviewed by my son Brian.

00:29 All right. So let's start by want to talk a little bit today about work. So let's start by what are some of your earliest memories as a kid of living in your house and your parents working.

00:44 Okay, well.

00:49 I grew up in a working-class family and I think that's like a big difference from what you experienced growing up. My you know, my dad worked in a factory.

01:05 He worked he worked at the Ford plant. He didn't start out. He didn't start out in the factory. He was a chant. He was in the service. He was a janitor in a school. Then when he got his job at Ford at the factory. That was like a huge deal because in those days when you got a decent paying Factory job, you know, that was that was great. My mom did not work until after my youngest brother was born. So there were five of us. He was born in 1960 and my mom did not drive until after he was born we lived kind of out in the country and

01:49 After he was born my mom learned to drive not exactly sure how that happened. But it was after that and then she started to work part-time at Sears and it was basically because there were five of us and all that and we

02:09 I don't remember actually how she how she got there. I don't really have like an awareness of that. But when I was 10 years old, which would have been 1963 that's when we moved, so my mom started to work at that point and eventually she became full-time my dad work nights all of my growing up. He worked 11 to 7, and then my mom worked varying hours because of the store that varied but

02:44 I guess you know, I'm talking about a lot of the details, but I grew up with an idea about work as you know, it was just something you absolutely had to do because the concept of like being able to support the family and all of that was just real strong. My dad never missed work ever he never

03:10 Even when he was sick that he just never missed work. My mother never missed work was just something that you you didn't do witches. I think that you know, dad had a similar upbringing it's interesting how I think one of the changes I've seen through my lifetime specially in the kind of work that I do now is how the ethic of the working class has changed and I can say that it really has what I see in the working-class people that we represent is different than the working class that I experienced is essentially through my dad and and the people will in our socio-economic class. We're all sort of, you know, working class guy, but my dad would never call in sick. He often did not take vacation because there were five of us so he had a thing where he could get his vacation.

04:10 Pay in addition, you know just not having taken vacation and he would frequently do that. So, you know, somebody earliest memories of work were you know, you you just get out there and then you do it so so for me personally, I babysat a really young age made $0.50 an hour. That was the going rate for babysitters back. Then got my first job when I turn 16 which would have been in June of whatever year and my mom worked at Sears and she got me an interview and I worked in the credit department of Sears. This is sort of

04:54 Computers were were in use but not up now outside like business and back in those days when somebody wanted to buy something they had to call and we looked at computer those green and you a computer sheets to see if if the person was like within their limit and all that sort of thing and that that was my job, which was pretty good job for a 16 year old. I think I made 225 an hour and that was over what minimum wage was at that time and I held that job. I worked on the Summers and after-school some until I went to college who is your favorite memory of that working in the credit department at Sears.

05:47 Or at least favorite memory. I know you were checking People's Credit. So it was there are very memorable check that you remember. Well, it was different back. Then. I remember a couple of things one of which you'll this will make you roll your eyes and it will make Dad roll his eyes too. But I do remember that it was a huge facility. It was the basement of the Sears store it at the Southland and it was just in Norma's not quite me know maybe half a football field or something, but it was just huge and I was one of the youngest people to work there.

06:34 And one day I was wearing this bright yellow dress and and white like go-go boots and the guy who was the head of the whole and the guy who was the head of the whole it was called Credit Central it came up to me and a little bit it scared me because he almost never came out of his office and he came up to me and it was real tall can it to me? And he said his Adams if you keep dressing like that. I'm going to have to charge an entertainment tax to the people who work here. You couldn't say that now isn't that horrible, but that let the stick with me as a memory.

07:20 Should be like around 1969 1970s 16 or 17. And you know, I just remember that he said that

07:37 You know I got I can remember blushing. I am eating of you. He was an older guy like at that time. I would have put him in his like late 50s early 60s at that time. He was a but he was a very nice man, and I don't think he meant it in a lascivious way. I think it was like he was complimenting me and in those days that would have been complimentary. I mean, I wasn't offended by it. So he was he was he was a very nice man.

08:10 Rest after that I was I was like 16 or 17 little did. I know I didn't do anything. But other memory I have is that in those days men could irrespective of their wipes position just by their decree making it an account be a husband only missed her only as what we called them if he contacted the credit department and said, I don't want my wife to charge they would put a flag on that on the account and the Devitt those section I worked in every transaction was approved. So it's somebody came in to buy something for $20.

08:56 I was in the easy payment section and they would have to call for a $10 thing. And if it had the flag on it then we'd have to say is it mr. Or mrs. Smith who's purchasing and if they said it's mrs. Smith we'd have to say that's declined and it didn't matter that. We had to decline the sale in the entire time. I work there there was never a mrs. Only it was only mr. Only you've never had that now the fact that you were a woman work and yet they had this obviously sort of one-sided gender policy.

09:38 I'm sorry. I said you know, do you remember when you were 16 or so? I was a younger 16 or 17 then then then you buy me the Thunders doing your job, but it's the way the World War. I mean it's not like it's not like and I certainly wasn't in a position to you know, take it upon myself to change anything or so.

10:01 You know, I exist at these and these are the rules, you know, so you did them. I do the other strong memory I have of working there was

10:12 You know in our my family working and sort of earning your keep was in in various ways was was a strong ethic in our family and I remembered that I had a supervisor and and there was a you know big group of people that work down there and sometimes we would take breaks together and her name was friendship. I'll never forget her and we were sitting and you know, my parents had expectations of us and I remember we were talking about something and she was talking about her child and she said something about will you know, she never asked to be born. I just don't expect a thing from her and it was surprising to me because I I was not being raised that way that that you know, she would say that about her kid. Anyway, she was very motherly and we had another supervisor who is a little

11:12 What's maternal in that way but she she was a very at that time. She was probably in her late 50s early 60s, I would say.

11:23 But my other strong memory of that work is leaving on Christmas Eve with the phone's ringing off the wall and the supervisor would say that's it. We're not answering me anymore. So you looked it up and there was just a huge bag. Probably a hundred phones just along that. We would pick up an answer and you walked away realizing those people who waited till the last minute and just wasn't going to happen, but I've forgotten that aren't so how long did you work at the credit department? Tell him it's college and then I worked Summers when I came back from college. OK Tony College in through college so far up to about do you have a different job as well when you were in college?

12:17 No would work ethic and saved all my money. I mean, I realize how I have impacted your frugality, but I have always been a very frugal person. So yeah save my money all summer never asked my parents for a time when I was in school. But I mean they paid the tuition. I had some scholarship never asked him for a dime saved on my own money over the summer and some and I would always be able to work at the holidays because of that. Did you do you have Recollections of getting raises or getting feedback from bosses or like when you know, what do you have? Did you get a sense of her? What kind of weed and what you were doing a good job or you know. Like was there any feedback processes that job?

13:10 I don't recall my I don't I don't I don't really respond like you made someone a good being able to like locate and analyze the data real quick, you know, the it was some old computers style. So there were Collins and things and you know the limits in the payment history. I forget, you know some of the other stuff but it was being able to like look at that data analyze it and and make a response as quickly as possible. You know, some people were slow to locate the book locate the person in the book and you know, the sale is waiting. You know that whole time. I think I could do it really quickly locate. Do you remember like Eddie interactions with other co-workers when you're probably working with people who are older than you for the most part?

14:06 Largely, yeah, they were I was one of the youngest people there. They would sometimes higher like, you know of other young people like for this summer vacation or things like that, but I got to know more like a housewife type women at that time that were maybe 5 or 10 years older than me. I had I had several friends. Did you tell you socialize with folks like sore on breaks and stuff any other memorable characters of them? And yes, I cannot think of her name right now, but she was this charming newly married woman and I can picture her face, but I can't I can't think of her name and as I was you know, young in my dating history, I remember that only been married for a few months and

14:57 And I remember her telling the story one time of lying in bed with her husband and farting under the sheets and then listen up the sheet and I was like, oh my God, you would like fart in front of your husband. She was a great person though. And what I remember is they then got pregnant she miscarried the child and she and they were both in a really devastated by that, but she was really wonderful term in person and I feel badly. I can't remember her name.

15:27 All right. So you work there through college and then do you have like the last day was there like I don't remember you were done with that job after you graduated from college basically. Okay. So then what was sort of next in your working history next to my working history was we graduated college at an off time. It was in December of 1974. So we were technically class of 75, but we graduated in December of 74 by you know, taking some extra credits and things like that. So it was it like sort of an odd time to be looking for work plus by that time. We knew we were going to get married in May of 1975. So we took what we considered to be a temporary job teaching people how to drive that was in.

16:27 East side of Cleveland and it was through it was the Easy Method driving school kind of an arm of Sears, you know was the like overseer of better whatever but but they were kind of their own Standalone company and they were way on the east side of Cleveland and so was as full-time work her she had to get certified to be a teacher and whatever that required did that then you had to learn their way of teaching people how to drive and and how did you find this job? I don't remember probably was in the paper something. I didn't have a car and my family didn't have extra cars. I mean cars were like now they're sort of everybody's got one but it wasn't like that then so we we almost like we usually had two cars in our family, but it wasn't like I had a car I didn't have money to get.

17:27 Car and I remember one of the things about that job was that it was a way to have a car because they'd let you drive it, you know to and from home. Do you see find this job you get trained and how long were you did you did you teach writing?

17:46 Taught driving in in Cleveland until we came move to Columbus OH the daddy could go to law school. But by that time I'd kind of I don't know but you can get exactly work yourself up, but they made me the manager of the office that they had in Columbus at the time will really

18:11 Like five or six and I was I was younger than all of them through 24.

18:22 Yeah, so that would have been $0.19 the fall of 1975. So I would have been 22. Oh my goodness. So I was the manager of that office. I can tell you that I made $150 a week. I remember that that was a salary plus commission off of the the amount of lessons that we sold per quarter per month. I don't remember now, but that but I had some kind of a commission on top of my hundred and $50 a week.

18:57 Not I've already heard a lot of these stories, but we should we should make sure that the Dutch oven is going to be on this tape and we should have something driving stories. I tell me about some of the the memorable characters from your days teacher. Oh my goodness. Well at that time it was either typically widows women who who had never driven and their husbands died and they had no way to get around. So you had to teach them one time. I had a person a young woman who would move from Germany and and we could not talk about speed very well because she attacked in kilometers and I talked in miles per hour. Her name was Hannah and she was very sweet. And when we drove on the freeway, I would talk about traveling miles per hour and she would talk about kilometers in that time. They didn't have both on the speedometer. So I just wish she was very sweet red a great time, but we could not correspond about speed.

19:57 That was odd. I remember in downtown Cleveland at rush hour was about 4:30 in the afternoon. I had a a person in the city and got a flat tire and I had never changed the tire in my life. And I thought you know, this should have been in my training there were no cell phones. And then what I remember is getting the book out of the out of the glove compartment and being like, you know, just read through the book change the tire in downtown Cleveland in Rush Hour the student and the student was like dude. I'm not paying you note at that time of the lessons worth $20 an hour at that time and said it was a man and I remember he was like, I'm not paying for this part and he was more concerned that his lesson would continue and that I wouldn't count. Of time are changing the tire and I was like, yeah we lost

20:57 Jack up the car read the book first then jacked up the car and changed the tire and my hands are real dirty and just like I can't believe I'm doing this. Back in the passenger seat and you were like, okay pull back out into it was the best the one that that dad will want me to tell is I taught teens like Dad sort of gravitated to the little old ladies, but there was also a segment we had to teach teens because I'm hot in the laws changed but back at that time. They had to have a certain number of hours in the class and hours in the car is only 8 and so I I taught teens quite a bit and I remember having this young man, so he must have been about 16.

21:55 They can only go after school. So it was some rush hour time and

22:02 And we were in a very trafficky area and there was a few talk to them one of the ways that you learn to teach was narratively to speak to, you know to talk. Maybe you remember when we taught you to drive but you constantly talk to him about what they should be looking at and anticipation and all of those are two things and there and I remember talking him and saying okay looks good on your left looks good on you, right? Let's get ready or going to tell you you say take your foot off the brake all that and he didn't go and I was like, oh, you chickenshit actually did say

22:42 Then how did he react to that? I think he put his foot on the gas. I took a wrong time. We had our own break, you know, so that when they panicked, you know, I was like, no not now, it's too late. Alright, we'll see you experienced these delicate with my words and any other any other very memorable driving either students or other people who you supervised when you were the manager in Columbus a guy that was a Vietnam vet. And I remember once we had a like a little Christmas party at our apartment and his name was Fred.

23:22 Tippett I think I think it was Fred Tibbetts. Anyway, he was a guy that have been back from Vietnam and and was kind of like just looking for a job or whatever so we had this party at our house. So we were like no drinking some beers and things like that and I remember he started to recount what he did over there in the war and and I think I saw like some PTSD come out here. He was kind of an outgoing sort of a guy anyway, you know Pleasant to talk to but I remember we started talking and he started talking about some of his warm memories and and there was like an uneasiness and an education and stuff that that I didn't recognize at the time. I just thought wow what a change his personality, but I'm thinking now that it was probably a little PTSD.

24:22 Jobs, and it was not a not a job. You took us a career. It was a job like a lot of work then driving instructor to being a manager in a new city. Like how did that neither do remember the day you got the promotion it was it was what we were going to quit dad and I actually both did the job and dad like quit and I was going to need a quit too and I just remember that the manager said will you know, we have an office in Columbus or we're going to open an office in Columbus. I kind of don't remember and he asked if I would be interested in being the manager there and I was like, yes.

25:08 So and were you flattered by that or we surprised or did you know you were good at the job when you were doing it your manager now, did you ever get feedback from liver your supervisor was?

25:20 I don't really remember now. So you said you want to be in the manager in Columbus and let me know if this point you would never like managed anyone I had not so what what what it was. What was it? Like it's starting a new office in Columbus. It was it was had a lot to do with like sort of keeping track of the teachers and their schedule a meeting and the vehicles there was like a maintenance thing you had to make sure happened with the vehicles and things like that and you evidently had to hire instructors. Yes. Did you remember interviewing people to be driving instructors and you were the interviews like I remember actually having a lot of autonomy. I mean, I didn't really have anybody that that was local there. There was a guy who would come down periodically to just fine and I'll check out the office or whatever but

26:20 I think back on that. I think I was like 22 or 23, you know, you know 22 and 23 year old. How did I get that? I have no clue are straining about opening an office and hiring people. I talked on the phone a lot. I had people that I spoke with through Chicago was their main office and there was a woman there that was kind of like a mentor when I had his shoes. I dealt with her you call her and she would tell you what to do and stuff. All right. So how long were you the manager in Columbus until I got pregnant with you? So it's probably like about a year.

26:58 Yeah in like winter of 74 have that job through 75 and then it was coming up on the time. I was going to have you because as all people before they have children. I thought I would keep that job after I had you and I was thinking of ways that I would maintain working at that job and have you at the same time and a job.

27:27 It's okay. I I don't I don't remember feeling you know, like tremendously full filled or but then you know, I just had a different attitude about work. Now. It's careers and self-actualization and fulfillment and and I've grew up in an environment where it was work and money and support yourself and it was not even though I was a college graduate. I remember I remember my father-in-law saying after I graduated so what are you going to do? You don't have a teaching certificate? I had not really a ever aspired to be a teacher. There was a part of me that was like

28:11 You know, I didn't want to be that traditional but then but then I've actually had a very traditional life but I didn't didn't really I didn't really want to just go into teaching cuz that would have been like an easy way to have a job to do that. Didn't really want to do that. I don't know why a temporary thing and it wasn't anything I really has aspired to but it was a job. And then of course we were moving to Columbus Daddy was going to be full-time and school the fact that I had a job, you know felt in a pretty good but if that's why I stayed with that so then 1977 January and his dad still lost so now so now you so you have me you're thinking about going back to work. Dad is still in school. Does he graduate in the summer of 77 and 78?

29:11 Michael is about a year where Desert School you have me. So what was the decision like to meet, you know goat not go back to the driving school, you know, it was it was interesting because I had planned to go back to the driving school because you know, I was like really the only person in the office most everybody was like out on the road and I thought I'll just take this child and put him in a little in a baby bed, and he will just lay there and I can do my work and then we had you and then and you cried and fussed and carried on and you were way more work than then I was prepared for and Daddy and I realize that that wasn't going to know that wasn't going to happen. So

30:04 He and that's when he interviewed and God the lock clerk job at the at at his law firm and and that enabled me to to stay at home though. That wasn't a lot of money. So we we didn't have my in common. I forget what he made as a clerk but it went a lot of money for him to clerk come after you decided. You wouldn't go back. Yeah, so you did those are like a conversation you remember where you were like, I don't want to go back to teaching at the driving school. It was more like at it wasn't so much. It didn't feel like a choice. It just felt like I really couldn't and it just felt like like it was just too much. I remember thinking that I remember I remember the difference between what I thought before I had you and then what it felt like after I had you and that that was just something I

31:04 I wasn't really prepared for but of course, I was really young. I would have not yet been 23 and 1/2 right now live in 23 and a half.

31:16 So you say okay. I'm not going back to school dad's going to be a lot of strength and talked about it. I mean it wasn't the kind of thing where I decided or he decided. I mean we were parents together and remember that we were both like wow, and I know it was like it was like I can't go back to the I can't go back to those driving school and you're going to go be a law Clerk.

31:41 Wait, when did you ever think well, maybe I could work part-time. I didn't I did eventually worked hard time getting those in those early months is hard to describe but I just loved you so much that I didn't want anybody else to do that. I mean you you were just such a perfect little thing and I was really interested in in I was really interested in you and everything about you and being a good mom. And then that's when I saw you undertook being a good mom became really important to me. So that's what you did and that's what I did though. I did work part-time and it must have been you were maybe about

32:34 It was the fall of that year. You were still a baby and there was a fabric store and it was on this bus line so that we only had one car. We it took forever to find a sitter and we had found any I don't think you remember her cuz you were way too young and I don't really even remember how we found her. But her name was Diana and I just don't remember how we found her. She was a teenage girl and we had met her we knew her parents. She was adopted and the family that adopted her the parents were just wonderful that though. I remember talking to her cuz you or not. I mean you were a fussy kid and you you needed constant tension and change of environment and you were like just could not like put you somewhere and you would play never put you in the playpen and you just needed a lot of stimulation. Is it as a baby?

33:34 And I remember saying to Diana. Okay, you know you have to be for he's going to cry you're going to have to do it, you know, and she was a sweet girl and she was like, okay, but it was only for a few hours cuz I I Diana came over I drove over to the fabric store daddy would take the bus from downtown up to the fabric store. Give the keys take the car and go home. And then he had you what what made you want to work at the fabric store. Did you just want to get out of the house? So just like you wanted more money or I think it was the I'm sure was the money. I'm sure it was I sold a lot in the end those times and and that was just an interest that I had and that was a way to earn some money.

34:20 And I remember you made dead suits and stuff right side is so you would know it. Was there like an event where you said we're going to need more money or was there's like a truck at Tipping Point. We decide you want to go back to work.

34:33 I guess I I don't really remember but I do remember that money was a concern then you can go back to the driving school. I think it closed that the branch may have closed by then. I don't think it was there for me to go back to okay. So you worked at the song that you worked at the sewing store and and then head Diana sitting and then how long did you work the sewing store?

35:01 Maybe a year or two. I don't really remember. When did you stop when Emily came along? Yeah probably would have stopped or or maybe before then. I don't I don't really remember. Okay, so Emily was born in March 79 and I have two kids and so now and so did you think about going to work again after Emily was born or was it or not anymore?

35:25 No, I mean to kids was a lot of work and that's probably what was really when you guys started in school. Then I got really involved in volunteering so it when when we were in school, I do remember you are doing things with the school and around the school like, you know, was that sort of you know, you mentioned you weren't interested in being a teacher earlier. You know, what service by you to be involved in the schools.

35:52 I supposed to do something else.

35:55 I think I'm just a person that that I get interested in in things. You know, like I was interested in my kids. I was interested in your lives and What affected your lives and email for many years. That was the school. And so I got involved and then and then you know for the over the time you've done other work stuff that you know, how do you think when you think about sort of how you know your jobs over to your parents and your early working and through to now and now you and Dad work together that the law firm, you know, what are your thoughts about how you know sort of work, you know, a lot of differences between your early work and your work today, but like one of the big differences and what are the good and the bad?

36:43 I think that that work.

36:47 Is less important as you get older in the Arc of your life, I think in the beginning you.

36:59 What I can remember myself. I didn't really think about it. I knew I needed a job, but I didn't really think about work in a sense Beyond remuneration in the middle part of my life. I was like real busy. I really think I would be would have been a poor working mother because I'm the kind of person that I get really focused on what I do. So I was like so focused in my years of when I was a mom and full-time mom. And you know, Dad was as much help as he could be but you know, he had the kind of job that he wasn't reliable and in the sense that I think to be a good two person to be good two person.

37:44 Two-parent working family

37:48 You kind of have to be able to rely on each other and not that it was by dads choice, but you couldn't I couldn't really rely on that. I don't think I would have been a very good working mom when I think back on it because I would have it would have been too hard for me because when I'm at even now when I'm at work, I'm like 100% at work, even though I know I have three kids and I'll I have distractions, you know personal distractions. I I'm really good at shutting out all of those and focusing entirely on my work. So I feel like I wouldn't have been a very good. I don't feel like I've been a very good working mom.

38:29 So I have a couple of questions. If you don't mind us. We have a few minutes left you talked a lot about your experience of being a child in a family where you know, your parents worked and how aware of that you were from a very young age and and the work ethic that was instilled in you you talked a lot about your own work that you made decisions about working because of that work ethic that your family instilled in you and because of the need that your own family had

39:03 I'm sorry. I'm really curious since this was the topic that Brian chose to bring up for your recording. If you have any Recollections about when or how Brian started his first job and and how you felt may be passing along that family work ethic. I know that they that all three of our children have the have the work ethic and I think I'm really proud of that. You know, I've had a moment or two of jealousy because

39:44 My parents were never is interested in me as a person as as I have been interested in you as a person and that I have had moments of jealousy because I because

39:58 You know, I just wasn't my parents didn't care. You know, that sounds kind of harsh but they really didn't it. Was it 18 and get out and you know, we gave you life in close in a roof over your head kind of thing and and but whether or not you were happy or made the most of your potential was just not something they considered. So when I think of you that's the change of Our Generation and I'll be interesting to see how it changes with your generation, but I would have liked to have had somebody is interested in me as I have been not just you but both of your sisters had like a job as a kid, but I do remember going to work at the office while you and Dad were there and you know you it would be you and Dad and then there would be no other folks working in the office.

40:58 And that it's all I would come in like for the summer whatever and that there was a time when we were supposed to I was supposed to reach somebody and you were like eating Reese's first and finest thing and I was like, okay I need to do that until I would call a member calling someone picking up the phone. And so I just started dialing random extension. I got somebody in the person to gaveteros. Like I'll pass you up to the person you needed when I got the person or persons like at remember when I was done actually card to work in the office was like, how did you do that? And it was just like you just got to get the job done dude, and it was I think that's probably an example of having that work ethic passed out of like, you know, no screwing around at work know I can't do it like just don't get it done.

41:49 Was your mom a tough boss?

41:52 No, no, actually, I think that they were I think they were both very, you know, they had high expectations but a sign of a good boss, you know, I can definitely imagine you as a manager even a 24 being good because you would have served high expectations and then expect people to get it done.

42:12 Have they Brian have you ever seen anything in your own work experiences where you sort of relied on some of the advice or experiences that your parents have given you anything that has happened at work and you're like this is what they were talking about or this is what they would do. Well if there's a sort of single lesson that I don't know there was ever passed out explicitly like, you know, so I can do need to do this but it was more that like, I think that around the office there was just a very high expectation of Excellence that you know, you need to do a good job in like it's never enough to her to try and blow it. And so, you know, you know when I think about either working in college or like one thing and that is always just like ingrained in me is this idea that like if you're going to do something you need to try hard and you know really do the very best you can and frankly you need to succeed.

43:12 Can do whatever you need to do that and thought you know, I would say you know what I'd like I think about group projects would be on and then always be somebody you never a group project class of where we had to write a paper among. I was like, I was going to copy some stuff. I was going to write some stuff and I was like, what are you guys are very focused on the need of doing an excellent job in the workplace and that's what I think you should return to your success.

43:42 Well, I think I think so. This is really fun. And I I do this is a good time to say that I really do appreciate that you your job for most of my childhood was paying attention to me and giving me different stimulus not putting me in the playpen. So, so thank you for being the stay-at-home mom and thank you for coming to storycorps. Thanks. Thanks for having me.