Adrienne Ruby and Andrew Lewis

Recorded March 30, 2006 Archived March 30, 2006 43:28 minutes
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A 41-year old man interviews his 63 year-old friend and vetrinarian about her work on the Hopi and Navajo Reservations and also tells the story of how they met.


  • Adrienne Ruby
  • Andrew Lewis

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MobileBooth West


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00:02 My name is Andrew Lewis. I am 41 years old today is

00:09 Thursday March 30th the day of my daughter's violin recital. We're in on the Hopi reservation near the town of Palatka and I am here with Doctor Ruby eye sees I don't want to see if she's a friend. She has a friend which is also our our vet and a lot of other things.

00:35 And I am dr. Adrienne Ruby.

00:39 I think I'm 62. I was born born in 43, January 6th 43 and the date today is March 30th. 06 where the Hopi reservation. I'm here with Andrew Lewis who is one of my clients and who also is the vegetable man. He brought out. All of it is headed this project. Were they come out every week with all these incredible weird vegetables and I have to call him and and help you know, how do I cook this Andy, you know, so that's that's my hobby at the moment is trying to Wade through his vegetables when they come so that that's how I know. Well, I know him because he had a sick dog. That's how I know everyone I even met my husband over a sick dog. I can't imagine you having a husband. Actually. I never imagined that has been in your life away country called, Oklahoma

01:39 Yeah the poor man. He used to tell me these kids that come in who'd want to be fats and I did encourage him. There's no reason you can't do it. They were always girls, you know, you can you can go no reason you can't be a vet and he'd say Adrian. I just wish you'd give me equal time with their fiances.

02:05 So how long were you married 10 years and I have three children and now they were here and help you with me for a while. You know, I had two of them were up here at different times. But you know, they're part of that life back there too. When they were born. My husband was kind of a we were both into old-fashioned things and and loved old folkways and stuff like that. And of course the old the old thing they would do back. There is Barry the umbilical cord under the doorsteps of the kids would always come home and I kind of wish I'd put them in a little ziplock bag I could carry with me so I can see my kids cuz you know, I'd bring them out here to Arizona they run away and go back to Oklahoma and they're all in Oklahoma now close to their dad or is he divorced?

03:05 I will do that another time. Okay, that's the one I well I don't know if I want to be Duty. Okay, that's what we'll circle around. So I just only that you imagined you as being older than me, but I don't imagine you with an age. So how old do you feel like you are, you know a long time ago. I was in a discussion group with with a lot of people at Sand it was a library thing and one of the ladies said I feel like sending out bottles with messages inside of them saying help I am trapped in an older body is my body didn't feel older so so I'm not quite there yet, but

04:04 But like what it what is if you were to assign an age to your body, what would it be?

04:11 Oh, maybe 50s you maybe maybe because I'm starting when I squat down now, it takes longer to get up than it used to so I'm starting to become aware of the fact that things are going to change, you know, but but I'm not really there yet or haven't acknowledged it. I haven't acknowledged it. I've slowed down some but I'm still pretty active. When do you when do you imagine? You'll stop being a bad?

04:38 Well, I picked this profession because I thought I could do it all my life and I sat there and watched my vet who has and he died. He died when he was 85 and he was still practicing and and you know, and that's when one of the things as a little kid, I thought what it should be cool job. You didn't have to retire from because retirement always look like a drag to make and you know what I got older knows where I kind of agree on the drag thing because I'd watch my friends retire or my acquaintances retire and then died three months later or do you know just like their lives just fell apart if they retired so so I I don't plan on retiring and never have so I figure I can do this one on my life, although now, I'm starting to get a little more practical as I get older and I'm realizing my brain might not be able to keep up with it and I may have to retire to protect my patients possible.

05:37 Do when we're at Hopi in your the the resident here. What was there something real? What brought you here. Life crisis? It's got to be at her house. I was in the first place you go way back to when I was in vet school for some reason or other went out my senior year a vet school. I sent out three hundred letters to every Indian tribe I could imagine now. I know that there's maybe like 562 or something, but I thought I'd send out a lot of letters. I didn't even know about some of the tribes asking if they had a position for a veterinarian because for some reason or other even way back then you know, that's something that I thought I'd like to do is work for an Indian tribe and

06:25 Course, I got not a single letter back when I tried to do that. But I heard about this job. It was kind of freaky how I got out here. It was I was at a visiting one of my roommates from vet school. And she we stayed up all night. We hadn't seen each other in years talking about all the stuff we were doing and I was telling her that I was taking Cherokee language classes and I was taking college classes and Indian studies and you know how interested in all this stuff I got. And I was living in Indian Country in Oklahoma and

07:03 And so later she called me and she said I'm sending you a story. She's I'm sending you an advertisement on the new book. I wrote and she said there's something on the back of it. So when it came here was on the back of it on the flip side of this advertisement was a story about the Hopi Veterinary Clinic and it was torn out of this. This was an obscure Veterinary magazine that this thing came out in and I read about it and at the bottom it said if you hadn't if you think you would like to work for the Hopi tribe, please call this number so I put thought I wouldn't it be nice but I have a business here to support I can't just take off and I put it on the shelf and a year later. I went on a vacation out through the West took my kids out there. I was kind of burned out my teenager with just gone crazy and was it got so bad that she was in a children's home and I

08:03 Well, I'm going to take this money that I saved for their college which one much I wouldn't do good at saving money and I'm taking these other two on a vacation because there might not might not ever be College if they all go this route. So we went on a on a month-long vacation through the west and and when I got back there was just so I live in this little town of 40,000 Skokie Oklahoma, but I mean there was cars everywhere and signs everywhere in lights everywhere noise everywhere and I thought I just can't stand this any longer and I picked up this little advertisement. It was still laying on the shelf and I called and I said y'all still looking for a vet and Priscilla answered the phone and she says you're the first call we've had.

08:56 And it was just a coincidence because at the same time the man who had been the bed out here for about eight years happened to be visiting and he was in the office when the phone rang and she said wait wait wait, let me put someone on and Mark talked me into coming out here to look at the job. And now he knew I was from Oklahoma hours from Indian Country. He figured that I might fit in here and I might not have a run away like most of the veterinarians who are from the East and talked me into coming out. So I turned right around I said, I just got back from vacation. I'll come out next month and I told Priscilla to save to make appointments for me that I'd stay for two weeks and then make a lot of appointments. And so that's what we did. I liked it and it was there not too fast about doing things out here and so I'm not too fast either so it worked out that was in

09:56 And I came out in February do I think it was the end of November before they ever interviewed me and that was by telephone and it was and it worked out just right cuz I had a young veterinarian that I gave my practice to, you know, most people try to sell their practices. I was ready to get out of Muskogee and do something different. So I gave my practice away to this young vet what you do every month. She paid me for the drug should used and she'd give me rent on my building in my house and she didn't pass the state boards. So right it was right up until the last minute I think 3 days before I left. She finally got a relief vet in to help her until she could pass the state boards. That's that's how I got here. And and then I stayed like 8 years here at Hopi, you know, I was nine years as their veterinarian.

10:56 And then my contract didn't get renewed and this was my chance to escape and liked it. I didn't even I didn't even want to Xscape. I never have figured that one out, you know, but I it's like after living out here awhile and like are they storycorps to help her I was saying now you're ruining you won't be able to go back the same way after living out here a while. You're ruining for life in the outside world. You just can't do it. I couldn't imagine going back even the Oklahoma which is about as close to this as you can get, but I just couldn't imagine how I could go back and and while I was goofing off out here

11:45 All the little communities around with would you come stay with what do we need to bet real bad will get a grant will get money will help you come live in our town course, none of these grants ever materialized, you know, nothing happens if you never get any money gosh, I can't imagine how many grants I've been I will get you a grant we're proposing this that and the other you. Never happens, but I want to set my own practice up and staying when you first came here, what were the three things are few things that hit just hit you right off the top and grabbed you by the name of man when we first came in the long drive just moving from Oklahoma and I had this Sullen teenager with me who did not want to be here at all. You know, she was she was so upset about it, you know, and we're coming in at night fortunately. It's night, you know, and she can't see things too. Well.

12:45 What kind of come around the curve and I said there's Palatka and of course, you know, you've got this Mason the road going up and down it and all these houses below and houses up above and there were lights everywhere Jesus. Oh good. It won't be so bad to let her know we were here and she says, oh we're headed up to the Mesa. There's a Kiva dance and so she grabbed us and without eating just straight out of the car and took us up to the Mesa and into one of the key verse for social dance, which was an incredible experience, you know, and since then I haven't had that experience again because of the dances shut down within a week or two of that but my teenage daughter was just so horrified to be there. It was really funny kind of funny that she kind of almost hit her head the whole time and hardly even

13:45 Watch the dances and then years later when she found out in Phoenix and she would say she would tell people about having gone to the dance in the kievan. They said you've been in a movie but nobody gets to go in a key. Then she discovered it was a big deal in that everyone was jealous ever. And so now she had this instant status for something that embarrassed her when she first got here and so course that stands out for me that was such an awesome thing to get here in the very first night go into the kievan and Sea Eagle dancers right in front of me and all this. It was just just awesome that one really stood out.

14:26 And then well, that's just one and that's enough probably and so do you ever imagine leaving this place someday? You know, it's a great. I love living out here and that's why I stayed obviously I love it, but it's a good place to live and work, but I don't see how

14:50 There's I don't see how you can fit into it for retirement. You know where your place is. I have a place because I'm a veterinarian because I'm working and I don't see how I'd have a place in the community.

15:03 Just being or just living, you know, and then maybe I'm wrong but but I have a hard time seeing that I figure as long as I'm working. This is the place for me.

15:18 Do you sleep well at night? Yeah sure. It's called sleep deprivation. So what keeps you up? What keeps you up? What keeps me up? Oh my work. It's just it's just crazy.

15:33 It I have a way of turning turning my life into a full-time thing, you know, because when I came here I had a chance I worked for the tribe. You know what it's like you've been out here long enough enough to know what it's like working for the tribe. You can hear expected to do an 8-hour day which really means like about maybe yet 5 hour day credit card as an actual work produced, you know, and then then you have all these tribal meetings you have to go to and then there's tribal trainings and then any little workshop and there's great workshops out here cuz incredible people from all over the world come here to try to do things to help the Hopi tribe. You can you can learn about anything you want to learn about and since you're a tribal employee you can just say, well I'm taking off today to go to the workshop on fetal alcohol syndrome if you want to you know it and you don't have to do a lot of work.

16:33 You know, but but being a veterinarian there's always a lot of work out there to do and so so I can turn a nice 825 job into a twenty-four-hour-a-day job and that's kind of what I did here and that's kind of what I've done with my whole life. So now yeah, but keeps me up is is my work. I almost never get home before like 10:30 at night. You see if I get home and see a sunset. It's just really exciting for me. You know, I don't I don't I don't get up real early. I don't get started real early cuz it's pretty consistent that I get home late like last night. I arrived with a horse behind my truck that I was delivering to someone because I'd taken it with me to Window Rock because it had to be doctored for the last 3 days and I brought it home and they've been waiting anxiously for me.

17:28 Every since 5 when I'm still ready to get off work and I show up at their place at 11, you know, and that's kind of typical and then on to my house that's kind of typical. So what you describe describe a day the distance is traveled in the conditions of the roads.

17:51 Some days. I'm on pavement like tomorrow. I'll head to Tuba City. It's about an hour and a half drive for me a hundred and twenty miles that shouldn't be an hour and a half but it is because part of its own dirt roads are y'all coming out? And that's our work hard when I get there. I'll I'll get there probably 10 and I probably won't leave till about 7 and then by the time I get home, I'll stop by the grocery store and get home. I'll be home 10:30 11 something like that. If I don't have to meet someone at Secaucus New store or The hotevilla Filling Station, you know, somebody might call with an emergency and I might say meet me at the Secaucus who store and they might drive an hour to get there and be sitting there waiting at midnight when I come past that happened before I like the last time I met someone there they had a she had a goat trying to have a baby.

18:51 Okay, where we go that was in the back of the pickup in the back of the pickup. So that kind of thing happens. You know, those are always unexpected things when I go to Pinon Sunday. I'll go to Pinon and that's an hour and a half drive for me. It's only 60 miles. It takes me the same amount of time to drive it but that's because I have to go down that pinion road which is one of the it's got to be one of the worst on the rez every time I say that I run into a road that's worse, but it is so bad and it's really bad for this early in the year right now because we've had such a drought cause we've had the last couple of weeks and that kind of smooth the roads out a little so so I might be able to drive 3540 miles an hour to get the pinion this time. I remember one time I was going down that road.

19:45 And I was hooking it up. I was speeded up to 40 miles an hour because something that happened in the road was smoother than it usually is and there was the road really look good, but it was kind of an optical illusion because under there was a lot of sanded blown in and there was a huge hole ahead of me that I didn't see you because it was covered with sand and when I hit that thing it was like an A-bomb is gone off, you know everything in my car. It's all jumped up because there's so much stuff in my front seat everything flew up and flew down and that you couldn't even see through the dust when I hit that hole in dirt and sand you're just everywhere it going up in the sky probably 50 ft. You know, it probably looked like a bomb and I was going fast enough that when I hit that thing that vet box that I carry in the back of my pickup but has all my equipment. It has to weigh a ton.

20:45 I don't have it bolted down and it all was it kept moving forward after the car hit this like hitting a brick wall after the car fell in this hole it kept moving forward and it bowed the whole bed of the pickup to where it was just stuck in there, you know the bed of the pickup touches the cab now.

21:10 That's the pinion Road. That's the pinion Road. And every time I go to Pinon I say why am I coming? You know, why do I get on this road and you don't believe it or not? It really stresses you out driving on those really bad roads by the time you get off of them and on the pavement you just go such a relief to get off of them. Every time I say, why do I go here? And then as soon as I get there, I know why I do because the people are so grateful. You're the only one who comes out here first. Everybody else is a little more exciting than I am. There is no way to get into pinion. That's not bad roads. You have three different ways by dirt road you can get in there and one way by paved Road in that is the worst pay road on the reservation. It's almost worse than the dirt roads. And but but those people up there man, they really support me. There's always a lot.

22:10 And the people are just so happy you're there. So I'll probably always go to Pinon so.

22:19 I don't want to ask this cuz it's just it's kind of a dumb question. But I want to fight I asked you what describes some wild cases are things a bit see everything that you deal with his wild. So that's why I how do you choose? Yeah. I know. That's a that's a question people as if it was the most exciting thing. That was a most unusual thing about the scariest.

22:39 Oh.

22:42 You know, I guess things are scary for me or things that that are going to be a real challenge to my medical abilities and I'm afraid I won't be able to handle it and this turned out to be an easy case, but I was really scared. I got a call from and of course when I get a call in the middle of the night. It's not a simple thing cuz the telephones out in my car after race to the car to try to get it and then I answer it and then I if I can get to it in time so I get a call in the middle of the night and it's right Terry one of my really good clients in dilkon, and I'm in at that time. I was living in hard rock which is an hour and a half from dilkon.

23:24 And he says he helps Rodger teams with his cattle and horses and then they have a bull say bulls for rodeos. And rice is my good mare got gored by one of the bulls and can you come right down? And of course in my mind I have these are the recording that's coming out of the horse. There's no way to talk about this stuff in my mind. This is you know, I'd I see he says nothing's coming out. He says there's a little bit of fat hanging out and I thought Boy by the time I get there these intestines are going to be dragging the Chorale. I'm on the phone while I'm driving. It's like midnight and of course, I'm calling my class my I have a couple of good classmates in Oklahoma that I call for advice is one, Oklahoma time, of course.

24:24 Syrup in their cars driving on calls. Do you know I didn't have any trouble catching anybody I wanted advice from

24:33 Talking back and forth. Yeah, I saw one like that. This is what we did, you know, and and I also know I'm going to have to go in surgically. So I have to try to think of someone who can help me with anesthesia and there's a guy in dilkon who used to work for a veterinarian. So I go by his house first get him up yet and we have to go by the store. I guess. What did you soon as midnight by the time we started it? I guess it was really earlier when I try to get this in my head. It was really earlier, but he says I can come I'll be happy to come you know, and then we had to stop and get a flashlight isn't it when you head on out and nothing is really come out yet, but we knocked the horse down so that we can actually there was an overlap the skin moved when the horn went through the belly and so this then the skin shifted back when when the horn came out and so that kinda held things in and so we had to open it up go in and repair the tear.

25:33 And then so the skin up and so it was really pretty uneventful. You know, it turned out.

25:38 What what I thought was going to be a total nightmare was handled pretty easily but those things are scary to me and then I guess I thought of another one while I was talking that really was scary and it was another one of the same thing. I was at the deal confair and they have a big rodeo and I had a I was doing vaccinations for West Nile, you know, that was a big thing people are bringing their horses in from everywhere because they were scared of that disease.

26:08 And some guys came running over from the rodeo Arena. We need you as an emergency. So I left my technician was with me that day. I left her to vaccinate and I went over to the rodeo Arena and one of the bucking bulls that scored one of their bucking horses. And is this big rip in the chest and there have to be to Veterinary technicians there with the rodeo string that were able to help me you could look in there and see that horse's heart beating. I I couldn't believe it and I was like about 3 hours with that horse and was able to close it up and the horse actually booked out of your later. They took it, you know, entertaining some events as a as a bucking horse. Do you know it's made a full recovery, but that was that was a terrifying injury. The owners are Navajo string Yakaz Casper Baca. He's one of the big rodeo string.

27:08 And he had just he had just bought the horse right beforehand. And this was to be its first buck out, you know, it was supposed to this was going to be the first time to try it in the instead this happened so and it turned out okay, and he was he's good to his livestock, you know, he's good to him. He takes care of them and this horse made a full recovery and it was those medical things are put scary for me. Now. There's there's things like animals chasing you over fences and stuff like that and they probably those are Adventures, you know, what's scary is when you have your your skills challenged, but you're not sure you can handle it case the other things are like Adventures.

27:54 How about a Adventures that have brought you close to death?

27:58 Oh pretty good. Question one would be the one who I really did almost get killed and I've been out here Toby. I guess it was was it my first year? I guess it was nice. Maybe it was my second year out here when it happened. There was a horse. I was kind of interested in buying and it was up at the vet clinic and I was treating it for something and I was really really wanting to ride this horse. So we were supposed to go out and work cows and we were going to leave like at 7 in the morning. So I got up really early and I was going to ride this horse and this is one of those Famous Last Word type things I jump on the horse bareback and it starts spinning around in little circles. And of course I go off like a top and and I say

28:58 I got put a saddle on you. I'll fix you you son of a bitch.

29:03 Famous that's that's when you know, you're I'll fix you you said, you know, you're going to get it. So I settle this for supper and I get on it and writing it for just a little while and it starts doing this again right in front of the post office and curses concrete right there and he was spinning around and around in his feet slipped out from under him in a spin and and we go down pretty fast in the last thing I remembered seeing was the bottom of a hoof, you know, I can I can see that and then then after some time I open my eyes and I saw my dog sitting around me and I noticed that I was in this puddle of blood and I thought, you know the lighted change so I figured maybe half an hour 45 minutes it gone by and there aren't any horse there and then shortly after that the somebody saying something about we're going to call a doctor and then short

30:03 After that, I saw a bunch of EMTs and they were cutting on my pants legs and see if my boots, you know, and and then it was life-flighted to Phoenix and all kinds of stuff will be Healthcare. Thank God they say doctor saved my life because he knew to refer me, you know, what will a ruptured middle meningeal artery and the fact that I had a skull fracture the blood was coming out and I didn't get all that pressure built up in my head. That's what saved your hemorrhaging from the brain. Yeah, I should have been dead on that one. But I yeah, that's the one so everything that's happened since has been extra, you know, just icing that's when it all should have ended. So anything that happens now, I just say oh this is extra, you know, I get to experience this.

31:03 Yes, I've had a lot of extra things and I know things don't go the way I figure they should I figure this was this was a gift or bad. Yeah, that one that one should have got me and it didn't and I know I was in the hospital bed down there just all drugged up and I get this call from the tribe and they say, you know, we're really worried. We want to know if you're going to quit or if you think you'll come back.

31:39 Do you want to maybe talk quickly or tell us about how we met it was so funny you tell that story when you when you come in with all these dogs show up when we live over at the hospital housing and I'm not a dog person or a cat person and so of course, I'm not going to adopt a dog or drink to bring a dog into our house, but my my daughter who is I think six at the time was of course in love with any dog that they came by and so she there was one she really fell in love with it. We have to bring this one and I think we're not going to bring them in and we left a little food outside knows about the extent of it and he stuck around for a few days. And then one day we got a call and it was it was someone from Healthcare was home from security and he said listen.

32:39 Dog got run over and he's Daddy's on the side of the road. I'm thinking well since when did he become my dog? He's not my dog damn it, you know, sorry, but you know, there's a dead dog on the side of the road. So I go out there and someone had moved him and I see this is form lying on the sand in the dirt and I walk over there and I looked down at him and his head moves and he looks up at me and he's not dead sure know if you still alive, he looks right at me and at that point, I don't know what to do. So I I think my we got to get him somewhere so I pick him up and I carry him over to healthcare Healthcare and I put them down right in front of the ER Bay and I start to walk over to our house and turn around. I say that to one of the security guys your hate make sure this dog doesn't go anywhere in the guy looks at me cuz that dog ain't going nowhere. You don't have to worry so I can I go and I get my car and let you know whatever and I drive back to the ER Bay and ensuring up the dog is gone he's gone. And so I parked the car and I look around.

33:39 You know, whatever and that security guy looks Amigos. Hey, one of the doctors took him inside is in the ER so I go in and I walked around and someone grabbed me by the arm and pulled me into the casting room and they shut the door in there are there's two doctors two nurses EMT and our dog on a on a bed with Ivy's Hotel.

34:02 And I looked at it when I said if there is anybody anybody in the ER right now or ain't waiting like you get this dog out of here, of course, the ER supervisor didn't know any of this stuff going on and tell everyone was huddled around the dog and they were that that that I don't know what they're called Physician's assistants going to look at me and said, you know, listen he's he's going he's panting he's panting. He's breathing really hard. You're going to have to start making some decisions. He's a damn dog. Of course, he's dead. That's what dogs. Do. You know, I meant and then she was saying, you know,

34:50 His father might want to be alone with my wife came in and she just looked at me and I turned to her and I just said cuz she been telling me that that I have to do something with this animal. That's when we're on our house and lock it up or something. And I said don't say a word you don't have to say anything. I know it. I know it all don't say it. Just it just let's deal with this right now until I started thinking more IVs in a man didn't know what they were doing and they were you know, it's like out of a Star Trek. Dr. McCoy. You know, I'm just a country. You know, I'm a human doctor. I don't know about dogs and it's like bubbling up with all these fluids. And so finally I called. Dr. Ruby and she said listen, I'm up and hard rock and I'm going to be coming by 45 minutes. So just hang on right.

35:50 So she eating me to do with all this confusion and noise and Whatever anxiety all the stuff going around in this little casting room and that finally, dr. Ruby shows up and she marches in with the mud on her boots in her jeans. She walks in he left his tail Tails moving so his back isn't broken and his looks like he's like little weak hair looks like he's a fracture a broken leg another broken leg and you know, it does whatever she does and probably a broken pelvis. And so I pretended like he was actually knew something was taking control of the situation. So we bundled up the dog like a baby cuz no one knew the dog was in there. So we had to pretend with a child and and then we ate we we we carried him out past the ER supervisor at we have cradling his baby in her house and get him outside and we we got him over to our house and doctor will be laid him out on the floor.

36:50 Take out this decrepit old x-ray machine in and says they pulled out a LED vest and says you might want to put this on your daughter. My daughter is all about and ask. Dr. Ruby is that the X-ray machine was actually safe and Tidwell probably leaks all over the place, but I'm still alive trees in our living room. When we she didn't take it with my daughter takes my daughter into the bathroom and they develop the x-rays in our bathtub and they they can't figure out what's going on. And then she comes back and she sets to Cass again in the living room and give us a bunch of medications and I think I actually gave him back see nor do I gave him his immunizations whatever you give them to be never had anything like that. And and then and now we had a dog except he only had two legs and you was dragged himself all across the floor and and and peeing everywhere.

37:50 Camped out there for like literally at our house for probably 5 hours doing all this for 4 hours. And then at the end she gets out of hand write down on a piece of paper that we owe her the grand total of $90. That was the extent of it. That was probably the worst extent of the damage caused. The dog was a dog was fine and we're friends with dr. Ruby Nails and the dog has a ho. Yeah. I had a dog that pulled the same stud it ran out in front. If you hung around my place for about 3 months want to be adopted and I wouldn't do it. So it threw itself in front of a car you're taking the big risk and I go out there somebody comes in and ran over your dog. Can I go out there and I carry it into the office or that dog's tail is wagging. Yeah. Well now I know you got that done too obedient classes this afternoon with you.

38:50 Being dominant and now he has his dominance trap and heat when big dogs come around to gets really aggressive even though they're bigger than him. And so now we're trying to leave in a couple altercations in NM NM NM. My wife comes home and she has about at the hospital and in fact, he's going to get need to get his rabies shots on the way home. You know, what is this culture conflict? I get the biggest kick out of the Kings Canyon Dr. Compound as contrasted with the rest of the rez, you know, it's this little and you have these little acculturated city dogs living over there and you got a Rez dog you cuz I think you I needed you to settle a dispute between my wife my wife and myself. I said listen the appetizer. She's walking out the door SF. Listen, you have to tell me like what what's your whole philosophy of dogs at me like

39:50 It doesn't seem right to be locking him up behind a fence or put him on a chain and look where they live. It's open desert 420 miles. You can't and these dogs have been born and they run through this desert and they live here. You can't just put them in our yard and get through all these roads and look what happened to this poor dog and and doctor who just sat there for a second. He said well, you know,

40:10 Rez dogs live happy short lives in the happy and and and happy is a good thing happy ways out of a short. I think so.

40:29 I agree with that.

40:32 Tell

40:34 So, I don't know. Where do we go from here? How much?

40:38 I would tell you anything from any any any questions for me or anything anything anything else you want to say?

40:48 Any more stories that I really liked working out here because there's such a wide variety, you know, I work with the doctors compound people that's one group. I work with I still do a lot of work for hope he's so you know, even though I work all around the Hopi nation and I work for all that. There's a lot of Divisions and Navajo, you know, there's a lot of different groups the traditionals the church people the rodeo people, you know, it just goes on and on all these little subcultures and I hit you have a lot of fun out here. I really do it's it's and it's been fun watch working for the Hopi and then the Navajo because I've had to leave on both sides of the fence is now and I hear both stories because they have all these conflicts has herpes and you sit here kind of the impartial Observer and get to see it. All the fun place to live really is

41:47 I've enjoyed it and and

41:51 Yeah, and you're you're my main contact with the doctors come down now, which is a fun little group to be with its I'll never forget one of the parties I went to was just right after I've been up on the Mesa most the day and then I go over that night to a doctor's compound where it was a Halloween one for costumes. All these dogs were in the house in costume and pretty soon the dogs kind of started fussing and making noise and knocking things off the furniture and you know, you don't have to be quiet or you'll have to go outside.

42:25 Sure enough, they kicked the dogs outside. Never even being a Hopi house were there would be a dog from one world to another kind of funny like you're talking about. Yeah, it's been great having you do part of that Circle down there and be you know, if you start off at the vegetables, but every time I go in in in working with vegetables and seafood things, I always wanted I can people really enjoying this is how people bitch cuz I don't know what to do with chard or whatever. But I remember you calling saying, you know, Randy I'm going to sign up again cuz I don't know what to do with any of this stuff and this is my hobby and I don't even need it. But I love getting it hit.

43:09 You make me laugh too, because I leave these weird telephone messages on and you always have something to say when you leave a message because in response to my weird voicemail.