Elsa Altshool and Janis Thompson

00:05 I'm Jim Thompson. I'm 64 years old and this is September 2nd 2007 where in Las Cruces New Mexico and I want my my partner here my friend to introduce herself. My name is Elsa out Jewel. I'm 73 and today's date is September 2nd still and we are still in Las Cruces, New Mexico, and I'm still a friend of Chad's.

00:38 Go Ahead Tours. Oh, okay. Well Elsa, I've just moved to Las Cruces sit in the last 5 months. And one of the first people that I met here was Elsa and I discovered that Elsa has a long family history right here in Las Cruces goes way back and I want to know Elsa what what nationality is where your parents and your grandparents both of my both sides of my family my mother's side and my father's driver from northern France, but my brothers died left with Napoleon's Army Napoleon promised the Jews that if they would join his army, he would make them citizens. He lied as usual.

01:22 And through the food on the ground and made the meat on the ground. So they all walked away at the Battle of eat of rats dropped the first battle of the Napoleonic War since he didn't make them so he couldn't do anything about it.

01:37 And most of them came not to the United States, but the northern Mexico, which is much nicer to people than the United States was at that time. That's 1840s.

01:48 And that's why they settled in that's why they ended up in this area because of course, this was Mexico and I'm not the United States, correct. My mother's family on the other side stayed in France.

02:00 A France became German for a while and then French for a while in German for a while and friends for a while and nobody could say much but the women did they didn't say anything but the bows in their hair when it was France wear white and the bows in their hair when the Germans took over. We're black.

02:20 That's all I could do.

02:23 This was the black was their grandmothers.

02:32 Was almost beaten by her mother because she spoke German to one of the soldiers.

02:38 And her mother thought that that was a terrible thing to do. You're speaking to a pig don't you realize that said she in French so they were quite the French national. Yes indeed. But then why did your mother's family come to the United States my grandmother?

02:58 Married man from Lauren another part of northern France and he came from a wealthy family. He has $6,000. So he wanted to come to the United States and open a really retail store and he married my grandmother and they both came together. How did it get here by boat, of course to New Mexico number to, Missouri?

03:26 What came up the river Saint Louis clothing company in St. And Missouri? That's right.

03:34 And they had it was a real Center so they had no trouble getting some places.

03:41 So they took the railroad to get that's right around that way. I'm not true in, New Mexico.

03:46 Invite, my grandmother used to say that the most terrifying trip. They ever made was a trip from Las Cruces to Alamogordo.

03:55 Because they just what 50 miles by horse and wagon, they had to spend the night on the in the grass and the high grass and somebody had to stay awake or that you either a rattlesnake or an animal would get into the wagon. I don't care anymore. I was about eight feet tall because it has never been eaten by the cows or anything. There were no cows.

04:26 This is what did it in that the horses for the military.

04:31 It's always been desert here though. No, it hasn't.

04:35 No, it hasn't definitely not it was Desert by the time I was born but it hadn't been desert until then. No. I had a cousin who was rescued by the Apaches. He lost the trail. The trail was very narrow through the grass. And if you took one step off of you often could not find it again. So anytime the Apaches took their horses into the grass. They took an extra horse. In fact in case they found someone who needed rescuing as did your cousin as did my cousin and that's what they did when he got here to the Eunice New Mexico and found. Nobody had a job for toys picked up a few trade goes with a few pennies. He had wrap them in a blanket and walk to worry though. So to sell them over and over again.

05:20 Who is this your cousin or your strand? Cousin? Okay, what did your grandfather do when he came here my grandfather first to contract with the military to cut the grass for the horses.

05:35 And then started a retail store.

05:38 Also both sides of your family were in time together, but my grandma my mother's father father bill today about a story to a store in Sedalia a very different kind of store from a little teeny things. I had to hear no one my grandfather went broke during the Depression of the 1890s.

05:57 And the family moved to Arizona.

06:00 Where another cousin had the richest copper mine in the world?

06:07 And they went there. My grandmother's took the store and my grandfather the post office.

06:14 The

06:16 My grandmother thought the Indian baskets were so beautiful that she would trade anything for the onion baskets.

06:24 And they were beautiful. They are beautiful.

06:27 Like we have half a dozen while they're belong to my daughter, but we have about 30 of them.

06:33 This is your mother's mother that you're speaking of know my father.

06:39 No, my father's mother your father's mother. Okay, then off the family that came here another words, right? Okay, I don't know tell me about this your grandfather who came over and the early eighteen-hundreds 1840. Was it 45 or something when he did not he was not married when he came here. He was not he went to New York finally want to start a man having some money and found a wife there and married her there in the end New York y New York because it was some place. He could meet somebody. Okay, and how did it get to New York?

07:17 Oh, but

07:19 The trains came as far at his Northern New Mexico and he would have taken the train, okay.

07:27 Tell me the story about the meeting you had one idea how we met her he Meadow. That's not true. He met her through mutual friends, okay?

07:39 My father and my grandfather knew some people here who are friends of my mother's and my mother had just graduated from college and was in New York selling Compton's encyclopedia in the to the poor people.

07:53 And living on Park Avenue

07:57 Mary, your mother you mean your grandma grandmother and tell me the story about the piano.

08:04 Geppetto she just refused to come to New Mexico without a piano.

08:08 So they went.

08:10 Do the Schirmer I think it is too wet made the first of the upright pianos and order the piano, but they had a hell of a time finding any way to get it across the road across the country. In fact, there's a crack in the top of it a bar piano whenever Branch headed or something of the sort, but it got here finally and when my parents built their house, they put us at support under the floor to support them a piano that way just about a ton.

08:39 The idea that every cowboy movie movie shows every bar is having a piano in it couldn't possibly be true in that at that. They were much too heavy.

08:51 They knew if I fell off the wagon that would never be helped. They could never get it back on but it didn't fall.

08:57 So it came by wagon not by train it came but probably by boat to Galveston and then up by Mule Train because horses couldn't pull it was too heavy. That's right.

09:12 Okay, what would you say that your parents or your ancestors were successful in their in their business fairly successful at my mother's family were more successful than my father's family. My father's family. My father grandfather was too nice to people.

09:35 And until he died he he was letting people money and never work and can never get it back. So my grandmother took the train that you the land by me.

09:46 At the end in 1920 and when he died 21 when he died.

09:52 She took the land she took the land.

09:55 He had been guaranteed and hadn't been gotten hadn't gotten.

10:00 Oh and she went after Italia she did.

10:03 Tenacious wish absolutely

10:06 Did you know her I will sure yet. She love New York and hated, New Mexico.

10:14 30 word even enough cartoon enough people on the streets to please her her idea of pure pleasure was Macy's on the day before Christmas?

10:24 Now that's Heaven as far as she was concerned. But finally her doctor say to look your heart is bad. You can't stay here in New York. You're going to have to go someplace quieter. Will they just know that didn't help a heart. So she went to two.

10:42 San Diego to stay with one of her sons there and the doctor there said now you be sure to take taxis on Heels so she did downhill as a result of the years. She took the taxi downhill. That's right, but walked up but walked up.

11:03 I would think it reasonable to meet right? What about education?

11:10 My father's mother had probably 3 years of education but read music Beautiful. You could read anything. Well good Divine mathematics and everything else. My mother's mother was a give nauseam graduate, which is the equivalent of 2 years of college very different.

11:32 And on the other side that was my well that was the other side. Oh, oh, I see. Okay. Well, what about your parents my father graduated from Cornell and my mother from Smith.

11:47 So education was important to the absolute. What about you? I graduated from Mills.

11:53 Back when it was still good.

12:02 But that's about it.

12:05 And where do you live now? I live in my parents house, which is falling apart. Unfortunately, and I have to try for a government grant for it or two or three.

12:18 Because I said he will not give us no truck signs on Las Cruces Avenue.

12:26 Oh and so the trucks May heavy trucks are doesn't help vibrations.

12:34 Between that and the fact that we're on a fold here.

12:38 So the Earth moves to

12:41 What do you think that you got from?

12:45 From your parents. I had a wonderful childhood because my father new arid land Farmers from all over the world. We had company almost every night.

12:58 And it was always fascinating we would hear how this country did it how that country did it how the other country did what foods they like, my mother was almost always right as long as it was lamb and chili most of them were very happy.

13:13 That they thought was was reasonable food.

13:18 Until my mother lets go a little ways had lots of chili. Of course. My mother was in charge of Red Cross during the war.

13:27 And well that was done at Central School in the basement of Central School where all of the bandages and was done and all of the women wear knitting knitting sweaters. And what have you I remember going with the the man who was a manager of pennies and flashlights because he couldn't turn on the lights at night was too expensive to see if we could find some needles to go in the things for soldiers because they needed needles and thread and plenty of thread but couldn't get needles we found them.

14:06 And that was fun. And of course, we kids always walked around with our wagons every week to collect the tin foil and the the Bacon fat.

14:18 That was needed by the military.

14:21 All fun

14:23 And did you make your your contributions each week at school or $0.10 yet? But we had to do it at the movies 2000 wait, where was the movie theater Rio Grande, but if not didn't look anything like that monstrosity that created. I'm sorry. It didn't look anything like this.

14:45 It never did. I've seen early pictures.

14:50 How how many how often did you go to the movies?

14:54 At least once on a weekend usually Saturday for the cowboy films or Sunday for the musicals.

15:03 It was right downtown a we usually walk barefoot.

15:07 Because it wasn't that hard anymore yet.

15:11 What role did religion play in your family? Absolutely? No, that's not true. I was I went to every every single.

15:22 Church, I went to the Catholic church with my nursemaid who taught me how to say the the prayers you say another word. She was okay with you in other words, and then I went to Presbyterian said the best parties.

15:45 They were fun.

15:47 And I went to the Methodist Church. I went out with them.

15:52 Just to rub shoulders all together.

15:54 And your parents encouraged absolutely saw no reason not to okay. That's all there was in town. Did they observe any of the Jewish holidays? Absolutely none.

16:08 Had your grandparents know they had not.

16:13 So religion their jewishness, as a religion was not important their jewishness says, it's PPS people as an ethnic group, and that's about it.

16:25 That had been the case in France as well and yet they were treated but I don't know that my mother's mother went to Temple.

16:37 But I don't know if my my grandmother did.

16:41 She the only reason I know it is that she had to have her hair done every day before she went to Temple I see.

16:50 That's all I know about it that was mentioned.

16:55 My father was a newsletter editor. So each member of his family had to tell their stories newsletter editor of what in the family news Leo you had a family that's right. He did I didn't that was much earlier.

17:10 But I found them all in that bothers when I went in to get my father's office emptied out. I found all of those strawberries.

17:19 So he thought that it was important to retain the weather in Torreon.

17:27 As was I high

17:29 Did your family have automobiles? We had a 1938 Buick Sedan?

17:40 That lasted until it was stolen in the first last year of the war and we had to go on the list and we ended up with a Studebaker. That was just terrible.

17:51 One of these them.

17:54 Things that look the same in the front and the back. We're very uncomfortable.

17:59 What was the first car that was in your family only when I remembered a 1938 and what did four years old I did your father. Think about that the car you like to be used.

18:16 He drove to the office he every day which was crush on the pole post office.

18:22 Which is gone to

18:25 Well, that was what four or five blocks away. Then he like to drive the car there. No, will he was an insurance agent had to get out had to see the houses. He was in chirping in the building business is a person. That's why and they just parked on the street. Of course.

18:43 Cuz it wasn't that crowded at that time.

18:47 Well, I think you've told me about a time when he said he talked about what a thrill it was that was earlier that was earlier. That was just after my father got back from college. He bought his first car. I'm out of tea and he wrote a letter home to his parents saying dear folks. You can't imagine what a thrill it is to tear over the countryside at 35 miles an hour.

19:14 So that was but so you told me that your family has first had in 1938. Will that was what after they were married. Oh, I'm sorry. Your father had proof either. Okay.

19:27 My mother's brother had of car with rumble seat in it that we used to love to ride in Missouri that was thrilling. And when were you in Missouri to see the other grandparents to visit to visit at Christmas time? Usually they would have a big tree in the front and we would have a Christmas there.

19:48 When were you married? I was married in 1958 to John altschuler, Cincinnati.

19:56 His father tried to warn me and I didn't listen to him.

20:01 I should have.

20:03 But not very nice, man.

20:06 How long were you married 13-14 years?

20:12 I had an argument with my daughter who said g divorce is wonderful and I said but you're not divorced. I am she said you just think you are. I'm just as divorced as you are and I'm going to prove it and started her own business.

20:28 How old was she 11? What business did she start got Elaine country to teacher the wheat belt that was during the big Bell Blue Bell blue. Jean.

20:40 She told me once you never spent more than $0.71 on the yard for a belt and never sold one for less than $5.

20:48 As a result she ended up making enough money to go around the world a couple of times really wonderful. Did she go to college what you also went to a parent Cooperative school where the kids read The Wall Street Journal ever known. She told me again that you and she never got less than 17% of their money.

21:12 Very clever child. Oh, yes. She was and where is she now? She's in Vancouver British Columbia where it where she lives with her partner.

21:22 With their partner, so she's a lesbian. Yes. She is.

21:27 Perfectly happy with her

21:30 And her Partners family were catholic.

21:33 Are just as happy with him.

21:37 Great, which is very pleasant.

21:41 What else can you tell me about being about Las Cruces?

21:50 There's so many times. It's hard to pick up without one. I know that there was a hard time finding a name for Las Cruces. They kept suggesting things that were already here and used Santa Rosa Santo this time to that side of the other thing.

22:05 And Las Cruces was because of the

22:09 Of the graveyard on the hill

22:12 Was finally what they chose.

22:15 Very small town, right but the but the original town was La Mesilla at the entirely different. I understand but it's right next door will you know, but it isn't it wasn't friend who had to write a horse share. Oh, okay.

22:33 It's quite a distance. In fact, let me see you this very nice town but wasn't the same thing. My grandfather did have a toddler's business in La Mision.

22:48 Here and they mail between La Mision and Sullivan Ville, Arizona.

22:56 Before the Pony Express considerably before they said it was no problem. If the Indians killed the man was carrying mail the next person to ride by with pick it up dizzy and Jensen, but pay any attention to the mail.

23:12 Grace City

23:15 But they did it by horseback. Of course. I did not the official Pony Express, but it was not a bunny express.

23:22 Was strictly a horseback rider with a couple of saddlebags.

23:27 That's all it was what it was a small town.

23:32 But it was a very rich copper mine. In fact Phelps Dodge eventually bought it and says that even the slagheap is richer than any other copper they've ever seen that they said about 10 years ago.

23:47 Was pure chance and other words, right?

23:51 What do you think about the changes that have taken place in Las Cruces? I'm not happy with most of it. I think it's a mess.

24:00 There's not enough trees up there and the new areas to provide oxygen.

24:07 There's nothing.

24:08 That buildings are too close to the street, and I think it's a big mistake.

24:18 I think the city council is going to know it.

24:23 Well, we hope so we do indeed.

24:27 Can I ask what do you love about this place? And can you talk to Jana for me? What do I love about lunch cruises at some of the people I say, but she almost nobody anymore. Nobody ever calls me even.

24:45 Why is that? I have no idea.

24:49 But they don't.

24:52 A most of my friends have left

24:55 With my close friends

24:58 Just moved away moved away. Yes.

25:01 Got fed up with the bed with the town in left.

25:04 Some of them up to a billion or T or C places of the sort anyplace smaller cuz that's what they like about it.

25:15 What's the smallest smallest?

25:18 And it certainly isn't small now.

25:22 That's about it.

25:25 I stay because I have a house that I have to watch out for it and my grandmother's baskets are still there.

25:33 Because my daughter was promised when she went to Vancouver, but if she would give them a list of everything she owned they would let her things in without paying Duty on them. She gave them a 39-page lift.

25:47 And they said they change their mind. She would have to pay the duty. So you're hanging on to the family haircutters the roll top desk. She wants for her house for House was built in 1906 or so. It would have been perfect for a house, but you can't take it into cuz it'll cost you a fortune was 1880 came out of the railroad original Edwards station.

26:13 And the baskets are fascinating.

26:16 I have a Pima basket the Pima were one of the few tribes that did not believe in war.

26:23 So when they got the Peace Corp peach coin from that President the United States they decided to have peace stances.

26:33 And sent Runners to all the tribes announcing their peace dances, but they also pictured the Spanish soldiers.

26:43 Not as wearing tricorns, but wearing pointed hats the only soldiers that were pointed hats were the Jews waiting to go see before the Inquisition.

26:53 Which I thought was interesting.

26:57 Very interesting

26:59 So your friends are not here. What do you do with yourself? But I haven't felt well in the last month I itch so much.

27:07 So I haven't done much of anything.

27:11 If you were feeling better, what would you want to be doing? I would love to do them. Very close to anything at this point. I get very bored.

27:22 What activities did you participate in 04 I was on the ACLU board for about 35 years until Peter.

27:33 I won't tell you what we call him, but it does not a pleasant name took over as the f.

27:40 The Albuquerque man after we told him we believed in the Bill of Rights if you didn't want us as chapter anymore.

27:50 Oh, that's interesting at the way we felt what other organizations have you been active with? So many but most of them are gone now Community Action had a very good organization at one time.

28:05 It doesn't know.

28:07 Don't do much of anything.

28:10 Is there any group now that you would be interested in? So I'm on the

28:19 The committee of the unitarians to do good things for other people and I'm a president of holiday helpers holiday helpers is an organization that provide Christmas presents for poor kids.

28:35 Primarily here, but also in Juarez the poorest of the poor there and all of these kids want school supplies more than anything else. I do not want toys. They've gotten along without toys. All their lives may don't care what they have toys.

28:51 Put school supplies I want because I'm sure that's the only way they'll ever get out of out of the dryer part property there again.

29:00 It sounds like peace and Justice are important absolute values to you. Solutely they are what else is important to you?

29:10 Like right, but my cookbook is

29:15 In his third edition now, but I've told her they probably as many as I'm going to

29:24 They aren't telling on Amazon. I know.

29:27 When Ragtime was young and Grandma did the cookie.

29:31 Set the title at the title will my grandmother my mother's mother and Scott Joplin arrived in Sedalia in the same year.

29:42 Will I see where the title came from right that's it.

29:46 Were you ever employed? Oh God. Yes endlessly.

29:52 At what time in my life from the beginning but I worked with Matt for my father is in junior high school and until I walked out of high school. I walked out when it turned out. The teacher wasn't grading my papers. Just giving me a used whether it was right or wrong. She gave me a son and I got mad and went to college instead. Okay there. I was a library assistant.

30:19 Then went after I got out of college. I went to New York. I went to your first and then stay from Europe like traveled all over. I went with a friends with friends with a group.

30:32 And we traveled all over for how long for about a month-and-a-half then I settled in New York where I work for Thomas Cook and Sons.

30:43 The

30:45 Travel agency and I work for Young & rubicam

30:51 Are the back to the at that time the biggest advertising agency in New York Harry Ruby come with an old friend.

30:59 And a good Democrat we got along very well. How did you know him? My father was an insurance agent and Harry brother was an insurance agent was an insurance adjuster. And so we all we knew the whole family.

31:17 That's how okay. I was wondering cuz they're in New York and our families in New Mexico Albuquerque Albuquerque family. Do it becomes Ruben come, okay.

31:34 And were you living in Albuquerque then? Okay, but working for this company here. I work for the company in New York or New York right that time. Move to New York. He says it's too damn reactionary for him. We were we were for Democrats in the whole of this great big advertising agency Harry Rubin me the elevator operator and one man who wrote music for ads

32:06 We were it and so we bummed around together a good deal.

32:11 Had a good time together and then after I married I went for DuBois Bookstore in Cincinnati.

32:20 DuBois was not a nice man.

32:23 When I when he was out sick, and they and we took over the store ordering books and what have you and triple those in the store made you fired us all.

32:36 Well, that would prove that he wasn't as brilliant as he thought he was.

32:40 Right. So then what did you do that by then? I had him I was pregnant and I didn't do any more. Okay?

32:49 But after Jan is it was born I

32:52 Started working fairly soon

32:56 Doing what whatever I could get.

33:01 This and that I started making toadstools with a friend of mine. That's a small appliqued stool.

33:13 Analog, Bass

33:15 And we sold those and and Jan sold her belts at the same time at Triad craft fairs.

33:22 That was a much better salesperson than I

33:26 She could sell anything to anyone that's where we have twice a week craft fair down in the downtown mall. Now, how long is that been going on, Let's just junk Edison craft.

33:42 Not real crafts

33:47 Not much.

33:49 What kind of where were the crafts fairs that you participated? We had a very good craft fair at The Retreat House for some years because I could put the people up there. That was an excellent one there were others and errors and various parts of Arizona and Colorado and all over the country there. Are that many anymore.

34:12 Albuquerque had a fine as a fine craft fair still

34:19 What kinds of things bring you pleasure now?

34:23 Sleeping sleeping

34:27 Doesn't happen often when you could stop itching long enough and I can stop itching exactly.

34:34 Just because I really had singing.

34:36 Well, it's kinda I can't find my bottom partial. It's kind of hard to sing when you can't.

34:43 When you got only teeth on the top

34:46 You talk very well. I was going to make him sing without it. But yeah, and I die. Can I buy a guitar anymore? So you doesn't work?

35:00 Yes, I talk guitar for 20 years.

35:03 And I loved doing it a lovely time doing it at as many as 50 students at the time.

35:11 Fantastic, very interesting.

35:14 And then the other guitar teacher who lived a block and a half for me had as many does everybody want that was in the in the in the 60s everybody wanted to learn guitar and then was released.

35:28 That's when I learned.

35:40 Is there anything that you would like to ask me also?

35:44 I can't think of anything since you're new here. I think you're doing very well. Thank you fitting in that is but no I have nothing else. I needed that I can't think of anything at any rate, okay.

36:00 Sure.

36:03 Can you tell me about a memory that you have about your bathing your daughter?

36:10 BS out tell you what my daughter at the age of three had never said a word except and I thought you was retarded. So I was in the kitchen with her trying to treat her as though she were retarded. This is a spoon the spoon goes in this drawer. Let's put the spoon in the drawer and she looked up and said really I'm not incompetent.

36:36 That was my daughter.

36:39 Surprises exactly

36:43 And always did surprise me in just the same way.

36:47 She also never touched anything in the house.

36:53 I could have left a pile of razor blades on the floor into the walked around it.

36:58 Even as a youngster has a two-year-old and when I said, why did you do that? She said if you've ever looked at my toys, you know, they were better than your toys.

37:09 And that was that.

37:12 And when I die, why didn't you ever scream at me what you said? You never screamed at me and I don't like the sound. Why should I do that?

37:20 And that was that.

37:23 No, she was always smart and I was able.

37:32 She doesn't even know she's a good kid good person. She's not a kid anymore.

37:41 Keith Sweat

37:44 She was born in 1960 and this is 2007. So she's 4747.

37:52 Not another kid.

37:55 No, she said she'll come next to me next next month sometime your friends. I doubted I doubt if I'll tear.

38:07 Knowing Jan she'll be busy the whole time.

38:13 Some of her friends are still here actually staying with one of them.

38:20 Which is easy in fact

38:23 The son of one of the people my father was in business in the building business with

38:30 So your father was in the building business as well as insurance after World War he and Irving Schwartz decided to help Spencer in Wofford the most honest builders in town.

38:43 By providing them with some money and some expertise and that's what they did. In fact, my father name the streets Oxford and Harvard. He thought they needed some class.

38:55 Oh, that's where the names came from Ethel Terry's name.

39:01 So your father is responsible for naming some of the stream. Yes indeed. Yes, there was supposed to be a present all street according to the minutes of the city, but nobody has any idea where it was.

39:15 The towns of friends always single maintenance man was ordered to clean it up, but nobody kept a record of where it was.

39:27 So that was that.

39:32 Your grandfather Fabius

39:36 Famous famous as in Phoebus Apollo. Oh, okay. Say this friend though. He was important enough to be a regent he was indeed, but he didn't take much of the college didn't send us kids there.

39:53 A Bernard, my father's younger brother. I don't think went to college but

40:01 But was a marvelous linguist and during World War 1 he was put his to work mostly in poor as identifying German spies.

40:12 Because he could hear the difference in the accents my father graduated from Cornell.

40:20 With a degree in agriculture

40:23 And came back here and ran the Farms.

40:28 Even though this was the egg school here. They went he went to Cornell. Absolutely.

40:34 That's not on, you know.

40:37 Lot of people you're dead.

40:41 Consider the app School

40:44 Cornell proud to see my grandfather was on the faculty in it Cornell I hear you.

40:55 They didn't want me because I didn't graduate from college from Catholic High School when I said but you took my father and he didn't graduate from high school either. They were horrified to think that you're done that

41:10 You think you're funny but Mills Tokyo Mills had no trouble taking me while I went to Addie up first. OK and Addie have had no trouble taking it very awkward too conservative for me. I did not like it very much. Do your kind of out there very very much on the liberal side at the right. All right, definitely.

41:32 Absolutely packed most most Old Las Cruces. People art

41:38 And I'm struck by the fact that your father wanted to work with the honest people.

41:43 He did.

41:45 Would you consider yourself honest? I think so.

41:50 Far as I know I am good.

41:54 But I get penalized because our post office is so bad and bills never get paid.

42:03 Because you're didn't receive it. I pay it or you going to take them takes three or four or five weeks to get back instead of 3 days or 4 days to get back. And that's about it said some experiences with the post we all have.

42:19 Thank you very much. I appreciate you. They do it as unto me.