Paula Bendel and Rhonda Pupella

Recorded April 6, 2008 Archived April 6, 2008 38:29 minutes
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Sisters Paula Bendel and Rhonda Pupella remember their grandparents, Clyde and Mabel Nancarrow (paternal) and Herbert and Sarah Phelps (maternal), and share stories of their time on the family farms.

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The sisters describe their Nancarrow grandparents’ work. Mabel was a suffragette and schoolteacher, and Clyde was a doctor and Depression-era railroad worker.
Paula describes Mabel’s longtime friends of the Cola Club.
The women describe Sarah Phelps’ first engagement and her ending the relationship and remember Sarah’s children.
Rhonda shares the story of her mother’s conception and birth and describes her and Paula’s childhood memories of the Phelps’ family farm, Turkey Creek.
The sisters remember their mother, Arnetha Nancarrow, and their mother’s pet chickens.


  • Paula Bendel
  • Rhonda Pupella

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MobileBooth West


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00:01 I bet you told me to do persa.

00:03 Ready. My name is Rhonda poop. Hella, if I hyphenated I would be Rendezvous nancarrow Puella so I don't hyphenate but where I'm here with my sister. I live in Abilene, Texas. And today is April 6th 2008. I just turned 50 and we're here to talk about her family.

00:25 My name is Paula bendl and I live in Abilene, Texas. Today is April 6th 2008 and I'm Rhonda's older sister and I will be 53 in May.

00:36 I have two children to you in faith poop. Hella, and they are five and I have two children Christopher who's 22 and Katie will be 17 on June 6th.

00:50 I guess first. We're going to talk about our nancarrow side of the family, which is our dad's side. They are from Ravenswood West Virginia where my dad and his two brothers were born.

01:02 Ravenswood was a Showboat town on the Ohio River beautiful River beautiful Town population about 2,000 when we were growing up. I it grows and shrinks depending on how the the foil company is doing and local economics.

01:24 But it was like I said show about town built on the Ohio River. There was a train and a hotel there that the town grew around the showboat.

01:36 Shows as I recall being told there was a hotel a real nice three-story Hotel two or three story hotel in a train that went through and when the showboat would come I remember my grandmother telling a story of the cast running behind getting to town early and hiding behind the hotel and the train and when they would have Indians come through on the show, the Indians would come from behind the audience behind a hotel with their tomahawks and all dressed in costume and just scared him half to death.

02:17 Grandmother used to talk about going to

02:20 Swimming that's one of our favorite family stories.

02:25 You too pretty to me to tell that when my grandparents came to visit us we lived in the Washington DC area and my grandmother wanted to see the ocean. She never seen the ocean. So she came along with my grandfather and came to see the ocean. Once that was a really big deal for her. The next time that they came she they came with both. My grandparents were they are my grandmother's sister and my grandmother's brother and his wife.

02:59 My grandmother's name was Mabel her brother's name was mayford, but for some reason everybody called him Uncle duck. I don't know. I'm not really sure where that came from.

03:10 And his wife's name was Goodwin and one Saturday morning. We went to the mall. We got there when it opened at 9, and we spent 12 hours at the mall with my grandmother and my aunts. We came home with a tube of lipstick and two packages of Christmas cards, and that's all they bought in 20 hours, but we went to a restaurant there at the mall and it was decorated with posters from the 1890s people in bathing suits and the little small short jacket pants and stuff in the bowler hats and grandmother started talking about going down to the river when she was a child to swim and like Rhonda said the town was right on the Ohio River in the walk was not very far but getting ready. What's the big deal you had to put on a wool bathing suit a wool bathing cap.

04:05 Special pair of shoes which I don't remember much about what she said about the shoes and then they had to wear a raincoat over top of their will bathing suit to go downtown because you couldn't be seen in your bathing suit walking downtown and you also couldn't have any Skin showing they had to wear wool pantaloons that were bailed at the knee and then we'll socks down to the shoes because of no payment. No Exposed Skin. That's right, and everybody were gray. So then they so they would do that walk all the way down all the way down the hill to the and they get in there and then of course as soon as you get in there because it's a Sandy place.

04:46 Because it's a Sandy that their water the river bottom was Sandy when they would have swim they would collect large amounts of sand in their pantaloons and then it would start pulling the bottoms Dan's they would always be fighting pulling the bottoms up to keep from exposing their skin. And so they were talking about all this and I turned around and notes that everybody in the restaurant had stopped eating and they were all listening to grandmother and aunt merlee and then talking about those experiences. And then right when we when they were through talking my granddaughter to stop take a deep breath and she said why in the world did we think we were enjoying our second and then the regular activities in

05:35 Start finishing their meals and everything but really a fun experience. It was in the summer than they had to wear more water than they did in the winter and their overcoats and then if they stayed in the water more than an hour, they would drown because the weight of the and she said they couldn't swim nobody knew how to swim because of him.

05:59 And grandmother was a real neat person one time. I remember I was there and ask her how many times she got to vote. I was just getting I was just turning of age to vote and I had counted back every four years and he guessed how many times my grandmother had gotten to vote and I was off by one and she corrected me and said will Rhonda suffrage hadn't begun yet. I had to wait another four years. I was in my mid-20s before I got to vote and she was born in 1900 and that fascinated me and

06:28 Come to find out she was a little little I don't know. She was a suffragette suffragette. Yeah, she's very independent were very proud of her. She

06:39 Was a school teacher

06:42 And actually she was engaged to another man when my grandfather became available and ask her to get married. She dropped her engagement, which was unheard of her dad was a Methodist preacher in town and her I believe was her grandfather or great-grandfather was a doctor and so they've held some prestige in Ravenswood and they didn't do things that raise eyebrows, but grandmother did and she was a schoolteacher and when she got married she was not supposed to continue teaching back then if you were assumed not to be a virgin you are not allowed to teach to be in public in front of young kids. Was she knew she had done nothing wrong and she wanted to continue teaching after she married in this created quite a stir in this town I a large stir.

07:30 But she was a real good school teacher and she said she didn't know she was going to get to keep her job until the day school started the fall after she got married and she stood on the edge of town with her snake stick. Like she always did the parents in support of her sent their kids to see her and she went down the path getting the rattlesnakes and copperheads and all the other snakes out of the way the kids and they went to their one-room schoolhouse and she continued to teach and she continued to teach until she was pregnant. And then of course she was you know, there would be no question that she would quit of course. She didn't quit she was showing and she did not quit till she had her first son check and it wasn't as big a stink as before because the parents of the kids just continued to send the kids right with her and she always stood up for knowing she wasn't doing anything wrong.

08:22 My granddad was a wonderful man, and he deserved her totally. He was just a great guy, but he worked in the railroad and we have his stopwatches from the railroad. He worked during the Depression and I can remember him talking about he was supposed to clear the quote Tramps and quote the homeless people out of the railroad cars and he didn't really have the heart to do that. As a matter of fact, he used to bring them fat back from his own family table and he would often talked like he was prejudiced but I don't he was the one that kept a lot of these people alive and took food from his kids to keep minorities children alive. So I did I don't know if a different social time back then I've often wondered and he was a die-hard Democrat. He used to make grandmother go register him to vote.

09:15 And she didn't think that was her civic duty. But his so she registered him straight-ticket Republican one year and you never asked her to do that again.

09:28 We used to go every summer home for two weeks to stay with my grandparents are parents would drive us over there to West Virginia was about a nine-hour drive and there was no Interstate at that point in time. And and so we went around Long wind erodes.

09:46 We went around 1.

09:50 Help walking

09:54 We've gone these winding roads round and round and round and round in circles up and down the sides of the mountains to get to Grandma and Grandad's and unfortunately, I have motion sickness. So I spent a lot of my time with my head out the window throwing up.

10:11 Course there was always construction on this Mountain Road to that time and said there was lots of tar smells and that kind of stuff dad was not what you call a patient driver and he like to get in the car and go and not stop and so we had the the days in the car were long when there are no bathroom breaks and there were no stops for lunch or anything like that, but we were really excited to be in the car because we enjoyed this two weeks so much. We spent lots of hours playing Pinochle on the front porch with cousins and and my granddaddy love to play pinochle.

10:50 My grandmother while she was an extremely conservative person was a huge fan of Johnny Carson, which was a kind of a disconnect for me because at that time his TV show was kind of on the risque side sometimes with the comedy, but she stayed up every night to watch Johnny Carson.

11:11 He was that was the only thing besides the weather that she watched was Johnny Carson in the evening weather and some of my favorite stories of my grandmother's come from her lifelong friends. She when she was 12 G in a group of girls got together and they started this club called the cola club. And for the rest of their lives. They were pretty much bound together. They Midwife to each other sometimes when babies were born they

11:40 Gave baby showers for each other help with weddings for each other did all kinds of things support each other unconditionally always now some of those ladies were characters. There were two women by the time that I was old enough to understand what the color club really was these ladies were in their late 60s in their 70s at that time and they were still meeting together. They quit meeting in the evenings because thought of them weren't it wasn't safe for them to drive after dark any longer so their meetings are in the afternoons and and I was actually at a couple of those that I can remember

12:21 One of the the two sisters that live together in that little town live with their father neither one of them ever married and they were very sheltered and their daddy told him to tall waste every Saturday to get in the car and go downtown and put two gallons of gas in the car. So they did that religiously every Saturday for decades and one time they ran out of gas and they called from someplace. I'm not sure where call my grandfather to come and get them.

12:56 And they just cannot understand why they'd run out of gas because they had put their $2 in the Saturday before but they they were never accounting for changes in gas prices. And the fact that their car was 40 years old and Wade way more than any other car that was current, you know, and so they they were sweet sweet ladies and grandmother and Granddad took care of them. I think until they both died. They just took him to the doctor and my grand a kind of turned into the chauffeur for the the cola Club Widow ladies and took them all to the grocery store and into Charleston to their doctor appointments and all of those kinds of things several of those women were really characters. My grandmother had a really close friend who drove but unfortunately had Cataract and my grandmother never learned to drive in after my grandfather was gone.

13:51 And my grandma and have a way to get around this lady would come and pick up my grandmother and drive her around town grandmother. Would the lady would hug the curb around the corner to my grandmother's house and then she would my grandma would get out in the car and sit in the passenger seat and she would tell the swimming when to start how far it how slow to go and then when they were coming up to a stop sign she would say tell her to stop and she would tell her to turn right in my grandmother who never driven in her life gave all the directions for how to get around town.

14:28 That was amazing to me that they work that well together and it always scared me. It always scared me when I knew she was going to get in the car with her because

14:36 Never knew how well she just but if you're interested, okay, cuz I never had an accident together. I asked her one-time. How did she get home and grandmother would line her up on the curb because she only live two blocks away. And that's the scary part was going across the one street on the curb and ask him it. How could you do that? And she said well, I guess nobody understood. She was a good driver. She just couldn't see it. She never understood why Granddad get upset with her going around town with a blind driver, but

15:08 In our two weeks in the summer.

15:12 Are other cut we had two other cousins that would always come the same time. We did that was well, then we called and Chucky because by different name now, but there was checking Jana and they would be there and we played the same games every summer and probably till we were close to Junior High School, but we would sit on Grandma and granddad's front porch and we would pretend we were writing a newspaper and we would take turns riding the type. Some of us didn't really know how to write yet. Like when we first started playing Rhonda would write the newspaper articles, but she really she just wrote little chicken scratch. It wasn't not mini. Not many letters later on she became artist. Yes, and the only people I knew how to do versus potato family and we made there are little newspapers and we we walked around the block and wrote down the license plates every summer and then when we got older we kind of complete kept the list and we compared to see if any of them were back the next summer.

16:10 But those were simple those were simpler times for play. I don't think children play like that very much anymore, but it was fun. But it was a lot of we were so close and I wanted to read I brought my either great-grandfather. That was the doctor was a doctor because he was a high school graduate and he had four or five medical books which we still have and that was enough to qualify you as a doctor back then but he also made Health tablets called Bertone tablets and I got a bottle here. I want to read it it for tone tablets ask pleasantly cleansing the stomach and regulating the liver and bowels women will find them to be very effective in the treatment of helmets peculiar to their sex 25-cent the United store company in Ravenswood, West, Virginia.

17:05 And there's directions on the back how to take it not to give it to kids under 12. But anyway, the medical books most of them are full with something called consumption, which I probably which I think probably was cancer. I don't know. I'm not a medical personnel bit.

17:23 Yeah, I don't know what that I don't know what consumption I've heard that you know in old movies and things but I don't know what this thing. It was a wasting away. I think so probably cancer. Yeah.

17:38 Anyway, those were good time. Do we want to move on to the felt side?

17:45 Restart, okay. First of all, I'd like to say that.

17:52 Weak will you come from a long line of very strong-willed women and and brave women in in really good ladies?

18:02 Grandmother Phelps was 4 foot 10 in tall and Cara was the same height and both Grandad nancarrow and grandfather Phelps or 6ft. So they made funny looking couples when they walk down the street. Sometimes it's going to be fined. You know, what we forgot grandmother name Cairo had Polio when she was young and was never supposed to walk and she had one leg shorter than the other and she because of her doctor in the family had said that she would he said that she would he wouldn't want her with a cane and that she would run again or she never ran again. She said that's what she was looking forward to in heaven with being able to run but instead of a cane she waited her purse and if we went out if depending on how she was feeling that day if her wallet was too much of her house keys were too much of a weighted object in her for she would take one or the other out so that she could walk better. So we always had to kind of be careful that we could come back on.

19:02 Make sure she had a key somewhere. Another thing. Was that a part of that story was it that because grandfather Camp had some medical background. He he designed therapy for grandmother so that she wouldn't limp and did not allow her to to try to balance Yourself by moving your arms. Like a lot of polio victims had to do he tied her arms to her body for a long. Of time and didn't let her do that and that's why she learn to talk to walk so still and why she kept her and always so, you know if you noticed her Joey skip that one arm close to her. I didn't know it's because for a long time she was tied like that so that she can learn to balance that way. This is how he helped her not be so handicapped.

19:53 That was his physical therapy program a little different now, but it worked.

20:01 Grandmother Phelps was engaged at a younger age than I am aware of. I think maybe in her in her early teens to a young man who had bought Farmland had built a house and had furnished the house and they were to be married shortly shortly and it came out to get her one Sunday to take her on a ride out to see the new house and how everything was going and during that ride. He kind of leaned a little too close to her and he patted her on the upper be a ride close to the knee and she consider that to be extremely forward and inappropriate and she broke the engagement over that I never married that gentleman

20:48 So four years later, she met my grandfather or four years later. She married my grandfather. She was 24 and that was at that point in time to be fairly old to be marrying for the first time and she married my grandfather Phelps. He was four years younger than my grandmother. They together had 11 children three of whom did not survive infancy or early toddler years. They're all buried in a Anna wise Chapel in the cemetery and but there were eight surviving children. There were five sisters six six or six sisters and two brothers.

21:35 And we have lots of fun stories from our aunts. They were fun fun fun. When we were kids. You wouldn't tell us a felt story and then I'll tell the veldt story. Okay. Well if what I remember first off is my mother's first. She was the youngest arnita man. I felt nancarrow. She her next older sister was 7 years older and grandmother Phelps had not had a. For 7 years since the birth of Rosetta and

22:09 One day she came up to my grandfather Herbert said that she was pregnant, but she had life moving in her while he said woman. You ain't seen a spot 7 years. There's no way that's gas. And she said Herbert. I know the difference between a little gas in life moving in me. And this is life moving in me before she was pregnant. She had my mother. She was 45 and from then on my mother's nickname with a little gas.

22:37 She was the last daughter and somewhat spoiled and her sister Rosetta used to have to watch her a lot and that one time.

22:47 She thought that she had gone out and eating poison berries. And so Rosetta was home alone with her and got it bar-li soap and poured hot water over it over a bucket and made mom drink a glass. Well at the joke with the lasso rope almost killed her not the berries and it wasn't poisonous berries is it turned out to be but they had a lot of fun on the farm also rose that at mom used to go after rain should go under the beautiful Lush trees and West Virginia in the mountains and grab a branch and pull it down and sprinkle herself with water and one year Rosetta got up and I think it was Rosetta we can kind of get it mixed up as sisters aren't around to tell the stories anymore. But she climbed up in a tree with a bucket of water when Mom pulled on him a little sprinkle. She doused her with a whole bucket got in a lot of trouble with

23:32 Grandma and Grandad had a little farm on what they called Turkey Creek. I never did really see the creek cuz we always climbed up the mountain. We never really went down in the holler. But in Grand dad was a tobacco farmer. That was his cash crop and when the boys got older the cousins the male cousins got older they would go and help him sometimes in the Tobacco Barn in one time a couple of them got out there and they just the grand dad had his leaves carrying in the Tobacco Barn in the boys pulled some

24:08 And they rolled him up to make cigarette and I don't remember which one it was which cousin it was but one of them lived with the tobacco and in a little bit a little green worm came out of the end of the span of smoke and chased him out of the of a cigarette Granddad. Granddad said you looked really nice that you watch the end of his eyes cross. If you watch the end of the cigar when the green worm came out funny. I always thought that the other way around Granddad was a real quiet man. He didn't say very much and when I was young I was kind of taken aback by that because are the grandfather was so friendly and jovial and Grandad Phelps was very quiet man, but there were times when we would have when we went home is whenever my dad's when my dad's vacation was it when the

25:08 Family reunions was for the Phelps family because everybody else lived around there. We were the only ones that lived away. And so everybody came home when we came home from vacation and the uncles would all gather at on the front porch and they would tell stories and sometimes they made up outlandish things and sit in the young cousins. The male cousins were always out there not very many of the girls, but I went out there and and listened and it was so much fun to listen to those men giggle and laugh and have a good time. And that's that's the times when I saw grandfather the most grand at the most animated when he was out there with all the son-in-law's in the and the grandsons and they're all trying to outlaw by each other with the best story and he would chew tobacco and he was he was a really good spitter.

25:57 He would try to win the grand kids are running around in front of him. He would spit in between their legs while we were running and never got.

26:09 We also when we go on vacation, I can remember climbing the mountain across from the farm. It was in Mitchell County West Virginia and Hurricane West Virginia, and we would go to the mountain across and pick Teaberry leaves and wild blueberries and bring them back and we would eat the wild blueberries a lot of them while we were up there and then we wash the Teaberry leaves and soak them in ice water in the refrigerator, which was a new addition to the Farms used to have a nice chest and then shoot them later for gum. And of course, it's so hard to find Teaberry gum now, but that was always a good memory.

26:45 And grandmother always cooked.

26:49 Hey, I'm in red-eye gravy and rice and homemade biscuits for breakfast every morning. I remember the fried apples and fried apples and she drank post them and eat rice and had terrible trouble with her cholesterol. I never ate any meat and Grandad ate all that pork and stuffing.

27:11 Never had a cholesterol problem was interesting getting the stuff out of the yard.

27:21 But the girls used to family reunions that the sisters and one brother one one brother had died young and he was a cab driver was killed in a car accident truck accident.

27:33 But they would sit around Tell Farm stories and they would talk about aunts and uncles are one of their older aunts. She was very heavy. I remember one time they were talking about she was visiting and the family with a small was just too two to three bedroom Farmhouse, but one time she had gone to bed early and was sitting down on the chamber pot and misjudged. She's very obese. They said and the chamber pot was on a throw Rag and they had very nice.

28:02 Polished floors grandmother kept at Farmhouse spotless as she sat down on the chamberpot. I guess she forgot to change shut the bedroom door open towards the outside. Anyway, she went flying and landed up in the middle of all the kids right by front of the fire horse. Nobody forgot that

28:30 They're also by that fireplace.

28:33 One time they were all sitting around they were younger and somebody passed gas. And apparently it was bad enough to nauseate everybody and grandfather. Wanted to know who did that and nobody would own up to it. None of the girls would own up to it. And so he promised them the next flour sack dress to whoever would own up to that where Aunt Francis owned up to it, but they always laughed it well into their 50s and 60s as to who that who the fart dress actually belong to and did Francis really do that or did she just want the dress and they just giggle nobody ever did tell the truth about it. So we don't know who the culprit really was to this day. Do we

29:15 But we know who got the dress.

29:18 Rhonda talked about grandmother Phelps being pregnant at 45 with our mother. But my mother's older sister was Eunice and she was actually pregnant at the same time that my grandmother was pregnant. So they were pregnant together and my mother was always very close to it Eunice's first child because they were babies together.

29:41 And at one point in time at Eunice was living at Eunice was living in a

29:49 A little ways away from the farm and she needed some help because she had young babies and so my grandmother sent, I believe it was Genevieve over to stay with her for a while and help her and younes and Genevieve didn't have the same style of house cleaning Eunice was a little more blacks at that time. Then then Genevieve was comfortable for and she kept the chicken in the house. You just kept a chicken in the house.

30:17 And

30:20 That just really drove Pig nuts and she was down there taking care of her and she threw the chicken out. She's down there and she threw the chicken out and younes Sprouts chicken back put it back in the house. But if so, one point in time pay was down by the creek and she that chicken was down there. And so she hated having in the house so much that she tried to drowned in the in the creek and so she pushed it under the water and it Bubbles and Bubbles and Bubbles and Gaston Gaston Gaston, and and it finally made it out of the creek and ran back to the house but it had brain damage a trouble walking and all this kind of stuff from being nearly drowns and younes got really really angry and she has Pig why she did that. She said she said it just want I just was trying to baptize in the river. I want to be say about it, but and that's all I know about the rest of the store that I don't know the rest of the story about that.

31:18 And like I said, Grandmother Phelps was very small and there's one of my favorite stories is that grandmother was one of the uncles was picking her up at the farm and take her into town for a shower and he had an old car from the 40s. You need to come with the really bowed back window and grandmother was used to getting up into Grand dad's truck. And so she just really was I guess she wasn't paying much attention or really checking on the surroundings. And so and she stepped up onto the backseat like she would have to do to get into Grand a truck and then she set down in the back window sill and it was she was all hunched over.

32:00 She didn't nobody said anything to her because you just didn't it's very problem is very proud of you just didn't come you just didn't tell Grandma knows you've done something wrong. So she wrote all the way into town like that went to the shower head hard time getting out of the back side of the back into the the car and when the shower was over she got right back in that car the same way and set down back seat and all the way back down the farm like that and apparently no one ever said anything to her about it every when she got home. She said something about what in the world's the matter with that man to buy a car like that. That's so uncomfortable. She never nobody ever gets addressed it to her that we know of.

32:42 Mom also had a lot of pets on the farm when she was five. She had a pet cow named Anna Josephus post Winkle cherry and she adopted several chickens and every Sunday after church a lot of church members and family all came over for fried chicken and mom was always really worried about her pet chickens ended up on the Sunday platter. She would paint her chickens toenails red and that was somewhat surprising to lie that you're its members and a lot of the family. They always need to leave the chickens with the red toenails alone. And I remember her talking about them making apple pies the day before and they used to heavy lard and she said it was so neat that they could they would make the only had a couple of pie plate.

33:28 And so they would make a couple of pies and then dump them out a pie plate and then stack these pies 5 and 6 deep on top of each other to save room to put cloth over and then they'd wait till the next day to eat them.

33:41 Yeah, and they they said Grandma could stack them up pretty high and not have them crack and crack so they would just delicious.

33:50 And then she had a

33:52 Dog named Penny even talk about that. Okay, my grandmother had a dog named Penny name because she had she was white with brown spots. And at one point in time the family will the family went to lay well Church of Christ up on the side of the mountain and Penny decided that she wanted to go to church and so on Sunday, she just follow grandmother to church instead of the Puma grandmother was just kind of uncomfortable with that having the target church. And so she told her but she won't Penny to go and so he tied her up the next Sunday tied her up. And so they tied up that one Sunday and I mean that one Saturday and then the next Saturday

34:36 When Granddad went to tie her up, so she couldn't follow him on Sunday to church she wasn't around anywhere. So apparently the dog figured out what the plan was and every Sunday somehow that dog ended up at the church. But Granddad can never catch her could never get her tied up again. And I think finally Penny just went to church under the grandmother's pee on Sundays and Barrister have to death Penny was a smart dog and she would bring in my grandfather's we're bringing granddad's cows in the evening and one-time grandfather sold a cow. And you know, Penny was used to Grandad said she counted the legs to make sure she had all the cattle in and so she went down to the field and she was short a set of legs. And so she brought a dump. She brought one of the mules in two and granted that Granddad said that she kick that mule all the way.

35:29 The mule kick that dog all the way down to the barn, but he kept nipping at the back of his legs and he brought the cows and the million.

35:41 We probably are. There's not many people. I don't think of our generation that can remember going to visit a family member who lived in a house with no electricity or no running water with an outhouse and a wooden a wooden sink in the kitchen and a pump and I have I don't know if you remember being there but you were with us, but we went to Eunice and Charlie's one time and they were raising rabbits and he didn't beehives and things like that for cash crop.

36:15 And we went to their house and I was shocked to find that they had a wooden sink and a pump and it was so much fun to get to do that. I don't know if you remember that. I remember yes being scared to death of the spiders in the Outhouse and I do remember the pump but it was wonderful water. It was called out know where it came to have some mountain spring but it was cold and delicious is really good or really swinging Amir. He grew a whole bunch of carrots. For some reason. I can't remember what it was maybe AN fitting into the rabbit say no but he had he pulled some carrots up out of the garden and they were the brightest orange I've ever seen and he he yeah and he went he washed my Force again. Just they were just like candy they were so sweet. I remember just being on the farm in West Virginia on the felt side and the cooking was fantastic and they raise their own food in the even though they were tobacco farmers. Of course, they had their group their own garden. Yeah and raise their own meat

37:15 Sister roommate my mother would never eat sausage because she used to watch them make from beginning to end sausage when she would never use any kind of pork.

37:25 Pennywise canning green beans. I remember that making jelly canning. They had a seller and they had a sauerkraut container. They made their own sauerkraut and they wrap apples in newspaper and keep those in the cellar and

37:43 I was just real Rich Heritage. Unfortunately, there's hardly anybody left in West Virginia out of all those hundreds of relatives very literally, you know, we had seven aunts and uncles and most of them had large families and what's the grandkids and and then also on my dad's side there was two other complete families, but

38:05 You know, it's real sad that our children won't get to see some of that there's a development where the farm is and

38:14 Just everybody's spread out. You know, it's not like it used to be so we're real grateful to have this opportunity.