Joseph “Don” Doub and Paige McAfee

00:03 My name is Paige Elizabeth McAfee. I am

00:07 41

00:11 And it is Friday, October 7th 2011 wear in Denver Colorado in the United States and I am sitting across from my dad.

00:24 My turn to show Joseph Donald Riddell. I'm 72 years old. It's October 7th 2001. We're in Denver, Colorado and I'm sitting across the table from my daughter page.

00:41 Either it's one of the things that I've asked Mom about over the years is how I got my name. Do you remember that? Mom decided I didn't argue with it. Did you have an opinion when she was?

01:07 I guess that was a kind of a decision that we both made cuz he

01:14 Do you have to get Joe or Joseph one in it somewhere and we didn't want Joe or Joseph so we can settle don't you or how come you decided to come by. Well, everybody was named Joe or Joseph including the damn dog on the hill if you holler Joe you never knew what was going to answer.

01:38 So wasn't your dog that was Joey and it was beagle.

01:52 I guess grandfather went by Joe dad. Never did.

01:57 What did it was a jail back with a book? I don't know where you ever got the nickname. I never found out.

02:06 Yeah, cuz I remember it. That's all I remember from a kid. I mean, I don't remember a lot of Joe back. I remember his hands.

02:17 565

02:20 When he passed away cuz wasn't 1975. I remember the the feather at those white feathered birds from one of the arrangements at his funeral.

02:34 Remember that my mom told me that Gramps said that he would either when you finish high school that he would either give you part of the what was the story was he and I were talking one day before.

02:52 I don't know. I guess we'll see your nice goalie asked me what I wanted to do. And I said well, I don't know what he said. Well if you want to farm will buy some more land and you can form or you can go to school.

03:04 And I thought about it a few days. Just hanging out. I think I'd like to go to school and he said okay, and that was pretty much it.

03:19 Send it on whether I like it or not good to you cuz I had to do that to get credit for any of it. But anyway the rest of us.

03:41 No, I really didn't know it was becoming.

03:47 Oh one of those things you needed to do what was required to pay anyways.

03:52 So who decided you were going to take France? Granny granny was the star student write down towards the Great Rift Valley.

04:13 Anyway, what? Do you remember about Joe Buck growing up?

04:18 Nothing really outstanding I guess.

04:27 I think most of the stories I know about you growing up has to do with you getting in trouble.

04:38 I'm bringing home baby. You got in trouble you get out of trouble.

04:43 Oh, yeah, we used to blow up now. We're used to throw firecrackers in mailbox or slam door shut and watching let's go across the road.

04:50 How old are you?

05:00 Or you can always get firecrackers. You can find them. Somebody would have some.

05:06 Only ever had one go off my hand. I walk around with three numb fingers for about two or three days. But anyway.

05:19 Can you tell Granny you didn't tell anybody?

05:24 Give me a couple of little things from your childhood. Like I have that little itty bitty tiny like spy camera.

05:38 I don't know where I got that when I think I may have got it when we went to Georgia with call me and Rosie and a marker not angry live down there.

05:47 I know I had it when I was down there cuz I remember taking some pictures with it and they're around the house somewhere it live Kodak camera actually.

06:04 Sketching brand name. I wish I had to work a little camera. You can buy Fillmore and I think they might be a couple of rolls of film with your about half inch long and I think that's where that came from that I don't know where they had it before that or not. I got it somewhere.

06:25 May God have a Cracker Jack box. Who knows?

06:28 Take a Cracker Jack box sister and everything. Do you know when pot cameras became popular in public?

06:49 Well, it was the same card a Kodak instamatic. It was made by Kodak starting in the late late 40s early 50s Kodak cameras before that box cameras blah blah blah and they came out with some brownies that they came out late 40s early 50s with it. It's traumatic and literally they were Kodak was giving the cameras away so you would buy film.

07:26 And I can remember in the 50s 60s. I don't think there was a woman that had a kid that didn't have one of those in her purse.

07:35 They made their money selling film and developing pictures and they basically gave you the camera.

07:46 But that's that's what really made cameras popular everybody walking the streets single-lens reflex. Is that were starting to come out in the late 50s or mid 50s and single lens reflex is also made the great.

08:13 There is a increase the popularity of cameras greatly because they were so much easier to use than the 35 millimeter that didn't have any of the stuff built into the first single and reflexes begin to get to light meters and stuff built into okay. So you didn't have to separate like meters and gas at what you were going to get a photograph around it to see you pick out the best and so far the best one to those four interesting store. I bought cuz it was cheaper to buy, okay.

08:52 I know that honey. Well at that time had the

08:58 License for import of the Pentax branch of a shipment of Denver came into Customs. I got a call from Custom guy says we got a camera for you, but we can't release that. You got to come back here. So I go to town and he says well, it's got the Pentax brand across fraud. You can't have that you can't see if we can't release that to you. I said, okay. What the hell do I do now? He's well, I'll tell you what you do. He says here I'ma let you have the can you take it down the street over here too. So and so and they'll fix it up for you when I go over the guy says. Oh, yeah, we can fix that just come back tomorrow, but I did was took a little piece of aluminum and blood across the name on the front of her name was like that. Take it back over to the

09:44 Gayatri

09:48 Important place and the government office and he says oh, yeah, that's satisfied. No name on it. You can have it signed the paper last night. I picked at the same damn time, but it for about half the price you pay for it in this country, but it sure does get around it. Yep. Just got to figure out what it is.

10:16 Figure out thread types of hard part

10:21 So that let that's kind of quick and cameras. I bought a single-lens reflex when I came, Colorado.

10:39 First time I first camera I think I'd ever owned except.

10:43 Maybe picking up somebody's

10:46 In somatic or something somewhere.

10:49 So then if you weren't.

10:51 Exposed to that kind of stuff as much when you were a kid. What led you from a tobacco farm to doing a masters in aerospace engineering.

11:04 This is how I built.

11:07 I bought more stuff through the woods through the forest.

11:11 Fortune up in trees under trees you name it over the years than you can imagine.

11:20 Was probably where I used to build houses and all kind of stuff, but I guess that's what Dad always like to build things.

11:31 Engineering along with that and it was so fun.

11:38 You turn something into what you thought I ought to be in for didn't look right the door down build it again.

11:46 So what it was I guess that's what did I don't know.

11:52 It's just not I can imagine at the time that it wasn't like an obvious path to go towards aerospace engineering. I mean cuz when did you start graduate school 1650 something? No graduate school in 61.

12:11 Richard graduate school and

12:14 September 61 and got out and

12:19 December of 62

12:24 Wow, I don't really do that fast.

12:32 Total, you're welcome.

12:35 5 quarters

12:37 Four quarters to four players who covered something like 50 credit quarter credit hours in that. Of time do the 14 credit hours quarter.

12:52 Which was a battle you win?

12:57 Yeah, that's a pretty heavy load.

13:01 So was it part of maybe this is where my history is off a little bit. Are we picking up a lot of noise from little stuff? I'm sorry to have a cup of stories. I'll tell you you can think about.

13:19 Grandfathers when he got older I'll let let me tell you a little bit about the hospital.

13:25 I grew up in a house. That was probably the best we can best handle I can put on it built.

13:31 Somewhere between 18

13:36 30 and 1850 is been continuously lived in through my generation, which is the 6th generation of family in this country.

13:50 Since it was built it was originally built this.

13:55 A one-room probably story and a half story with a big Loft and has been expanded on and reworked and so forth.

14:06 Over the years and the last rework occurred a couple of years ago which finished up a couple years ago.

14:13 The house was originally thought to have been built one way which is kind of complicated but it's very common for what was being built for a style of a house out in the country.

14:27 For a. Of 100 years roughly from the early eighteen-hundreds to

14:34 Probably the very early nineteen hundreds. But anyway, it's my belief have to looking at the way things were done to it over a. Of time that c.

14:45 Accepted way in which it was built in in a in a symbol is all wrong and it's all based on the fact that the original part of the house was always thought to have been the part that was

15:00 Used primarily for sleeping quarters except in the early probably 20 years when it was still I wonder if one and a half room. Hi, one room one and a story high cabin.

15:15 Cuz they used to build the sleeping areas and the kitchens and dining areas were separate buildings physically separated because of the fear of fire and it was always assumed that the front of this had always been a sleeping area. However in the last remodel under the floors, they found the foundation for a cooking fireplace and if you're familiar at all with fireplaces and that. Of time heating fireplaces were very small very compact. They were built to put out heat nothing like even the decorated fireplaces of today are cooking fireplaces were seven feet long 4 ft deep V 6 ft high they were okay.

16:15 And when you got through looking at the house you figured out that what it was eventually.

16:23 Over the last

16:26 Hundred years has been the the kitchen was never the original kitchen because there was no Foundation anywhere for the chimney. Therefore there could not have been a cooking fireplace there for that part was turned into a

16:46 Kitchen sometime about the. When iron free-standing cookstoves became

16:58 Commonly affordable because that's the only reason you would never have built a cooking fireplace in a kitchen and that. Of time and built the chimney which never reach the ground. It was totally suspended from the ceiling and that's all you needed for that kind of stuff enough of that story.

17:21 And that but that's what you found when she did the remodeling in this is 211. She did remodeling 208-920-7892 put those pieces together. That's the only way that makes sense. Okay, it's all connected. What was that again? But again it but again it was all connected probably when they switched or shortly after the time when they switch from using the cooking fireplace tool. They went to the cast iron stove because cast iron stove now made to the possibility of fire at Night by too much much less reason houses were separated into two parts and I can go through that neighborhood and still show you a couple of houses are still separated.

18:20 Permanently load about that house is that it had been built up around remodel remodeling.

18:32 Grandfathers, I know did least one day. I did two pages one a Christian one. That's for they probably spend Republic remodel at least 5 to 6, but that's over a hundred and fifty years Phantom 2.

18:51 The separate kitchen is gone now.

19:00 And nobody ever put it together. I don't think I've never heard anybody putting together. The original kitchen was built out of what was the kitchen when I knew it and you knew it and my dad knew it.

19:14 Was lock the original original first part of the house was log. There was the first part was expanded into a two-room two story II the Original log one-and-a-half story one room that expansion was done with Sade Timbers which were pegged together now, that's the first

19:40 Change in the structural building that occurred after logs. Okay, however

19:49 The kitchen and dining room and shoe and I knew it was all log, which says it was built before that first addition or remodel was done of the first part of the house. If it had been built after the first part it would have had to have more than likely have been built using sod Timbers, but it wasn't

20:24 So that was an in-between and then when it when it was built since they built the front part the room and a half then shortly thereafter. They built the back part. They lip dub the whole family lived in the front part of this family that built the back part. They stayed Shepherd over the years, but the back part was built as two separate bed with two bedrooms. Remember that was two rooms on one side was door into each. Okay, that's the way the Builder.

20:53 So you can get out of each each side if they caught on fire the back door to that was built when they put the basement under the kitchen to get Ashley had a basement under.

21:10 Oh, that's interesting. Okay, you never saw that because when you remember it was after that it done the remodeling in the early sixties. That's when he added that okay couple of a couple of other stories.

21:29 In the second world war my aunt.

21:32 My own of my mother's sister's married a guy who was related to the families different last name related to the doubts. And by the way, the family has been there since the first day. I've got there from Germany in 1750s. He's logged shown on the Manifest of a ship from Germany to Philadelphia. He showed up in North Carolina and Virginia, which was the Moravian settlement.

22:00 Similar to what occurred at Old Salem Witch Is Now part of Winston-Salem in the reason the name is split but he showed up there at the senior which is 5 miles from the house and 17.

22:18 Late 1760s and 1770s times a little bit. Anyway, everybody with the last name of dialed in the u.s. Today is descended from that guy. And his first name was Johannes. He had nine children one of those founded what was Greensboro women's college which eventually became part of Duke University became part of Trinity College, which in turn became Duke University. Okay, but anyway mom and her mom had a sister lived.

23:00 By the road several miles across through the bottom Sugar Land and so forth mile mom has during the second world war you didn't have gas you couldn't drive so they wrote postcards and sent note and we had a great big old Blue Tick Hound with just imagine a big lab slightly different bill, but about that physical size weight and body construction, but they were

23:32 We had one that was the pet of the neighborhood and he would go up to my aunt and uncle's house once today to get fed and come back to our house to get fit so far. So he made the trip. He made it through regular mom and her sister would flip notes onto his collar and he would bring them back and when he came up you took that off Melissa and another note about 6 feet tall by b61.

24:00 And has led to the bottoms from house to house.

24:05 He was walking through one night in the early fall and you get an early fall nights back there that are literally so black you can't see through your hand and run your face. I've had a really hard that black man that dark there is no light. He's walking along a little path beside of a creek in the end of the cornrows and all of a sudden something hit him in the chest that he's he said just before he passed out a big wet tongue whenever his face and I realized what it was that he had met the dog going to his house the dog didn't bark as you can smell even knew who he was and he just jumped up and he was big enough he could put his paws with would have just about hit him in the chest.

24:47 I don't think anybody ever ask him if he cleaned out his pants.

24:58 Watch him for about three weeks. He would go up here other people hunting and he can go hunt with him and we think some guys still didn't cuz he was gone one time for about three weeks and came home and he was he was pretty hungry, but he was all okay because people are always wanted to buy was a good talk and tan tells us know that we sitting in the snow.

25:39 And he would walk now holla which is like a little Valley and he walked on one side and we walk on the other he'd go along and I'll send you here and he'd come trotting back to the rabbit for a grab me by the neck snap their neck and bring them back to you put him down and go off again.

26:01 And bring it back and better company.

26:09 Anyway host or Grandpa. You still it was going to tell you this in his older days. I spend a lot of time with her so did Chris and

26:21 He and he and preachers used to tell jokes and stories. They laid said 4 hours.

26:29 One of the funniest ones I remember him ever. Tell anyone about the guy in The Story Goes that these two guys grew up together as kids and separated over the years and hadn't seen each other occasionally. They see each other when I moved off he came back for a visit one day and remember that fishing hole. We used to go to download the creek.

27:06 I really haven't got a hold of that bull. He said, you know I pulled out.

27:12 A fish must have been 15 18 in Long 3/4 inch out of their kind of funny because I was walking yesterday after I got back and I went by then placement. I noticed it was a fishing pole laying there with line now, isn't probably mine. I got so excited on that fish. I probably forgot to bring the pole.

27:44 No. I said yeah, I used it. I picked it up and I said well so might as well throw it in the water. So I threw it in the water.

27:52 Got ahold of some couldn't Dragon find a drug it out.

27:58 And it was a lamp.

28:01 And you said and you know what? It was Dilbert the other guy says.

28:08 I'll take a foot off that fish if you blow out the lantern.

28:19 Your grandpa used to sit around and tell stories like this if the preachers are always run right now. There's an interesting one there, too.

28:37 I asked a silly question and I never got it answered. I never really asked grandfather, but I asked Mom.

28:45 There are three churches neighborhood. We know they were all others other part another part in this is important.

28:53 My sister and I cleaned out the house in about

28:58 2005-6 and in the process of cleaning that out.

29:04 We found some things that are now in the Duke University library. And by the way, that Library probably has the best collection of papers from

29:17 The Dow history the traces down history of any place in the country. They have things that go back at least. I've seen things outside of their of receipts and stuff for Johanna style transported.

29:35 Hide tanned deer hides and stuff to Philadelphia during the Civil War because he was a kid he had been.

29:48 Tanner Elliott raid was a Tanner when he was in Germany. So he came as a Tanner anyway.

29:56 Digging through the house. We found in the back of a closet.

30:00 Suitcase and it was a suitcase that was obviously turn of the century type construction opened it up and inside it were two Bibles.

30:10 One in German and one in English

30:15 They were obviously old one of them had wooden covers on it.

30:20 And in the front of it, it had a list in Germany in German of the brothers and sisters of Johanna Stout. Joanna stabs mother had been married twice. He had

30:36 Free full brothers and sisters and I think six or seven half brothers and sisters. Anyway, there's always been a story in the neighborhood. I'll finish up that these Bibles existed. Nobody knew where they were.

30:52 We have never yet figured out why is a work at that this house but I think I know because that side of the family that line from Johannes now but was almost always had several preachers in it. Let's put it that way. I think they were given to my grandfather's father. He gave them to my grandfather my grandfather again spend a lot of time with my mother and his later years.

31:22 I think he gave her those and told her to put them up and she never remembered to tell anybody. She just forgot it over the years like we all do and we tried that I called a friend of mine who's a great job is story on so forth. We looked at him decided. We spent a couple of days just thinking about it called Duke University and ask them if they would take them, but they had they had Bibles of that age, but not

31:55 Of the history that was behind us and we know the English one was printed in Philadelphia in the 1750s because of Bora markings of stuff that we can trace back. Anyway, they took both Bible say are there there were shown to the people in the neighborhood church on Sunday morning before we took them down. So they're deposited there for history. It was always known that he had two Bibles Stillhouse. He taught he preached in German in the morning and he preached in English in the afternoon. And he used to separate Bible said there's every reason to believe that these were the two Bibles that he used.

32:37 Wow.

32:42 So I could go to Duke City archives. You could go to Duke University and look at that Bible.

32:47 Reason, we took him to Duke University of somewhere. Like this is probably the most likely place that would be interested in those outside of maybe the Library of Congress that you could assume that a hundred years from now, they will probably be preserve because of the endowment of that University Research family history.

33:15 I was not about to leave them in the neighborhood with somebody.

33:19 No, that's the kind of thing. That's the other thing that's going to be a grandfather. Got Corey couldn't drive and it had a buggy look up the buggy horse to the buggy Sunday morning and Grandpa. Grandpa would be gone all day 10 miles away from the house during the day seeing people going to

33:45 Telling stories with somebody all afternoon to have a dinner somewhere. He'll be gone for the whole day. He come back driving the buggy could wrap car. It wasn't safe to drive a car so he can take his horse and buggy.

34:02 In fact, wouldn't we sold everything on the farm with Chris couple years ago there was enough metal Parts there to build to complete buggies, but she had to

34:15 You factory in the last usable buggies, I think and then in the end that area I never can remember another one after that other than you know new ones that you can go by but these were old bike is big old Wheels 4 Wheels in a huge Wheels.

34:32 Sunoco hours for in the cinema with the horse. No problem. So far to you you didn't go around the main roads very much even in the dirt roads must have been realized roads in a foot in an area like that or started a totally different than what they were a hundred 50 hundred hundred fifty years ago roads originally were built in in farming communities like that to connect houses and little towns. Okay, not at the shortest distance from here to there. I can draw you a map. So

35:13 How to place theory I grew up in the house and show you all the roads that connected all the houses because the pass through the woods or are still there. The trees have not grown in him as much there will be banks that there's no reason for it being there like the house that I grew up in the road ridgeley connect to that house with other houses and it came within 75 feet of the front door of the house, but it was a wagon rough. It was a long road for wagons and horses and when they start to get in cars and stuff and they started changing the roach.

35:54 They made him so you didn't have to go through every ditch and so forth so I could you can get a car through it.

36:01 Makes sense

36:04 What we refer to is the driveway the road that goes up in front of the house. Now know it came halfway between the for the driveway is in the house you at where the front of the house, you know, it came from the road and Main Road, you know where the packhouse is. It came behind that came down out beyond that big ole oak tree with the bed over Limb and came up between the house.

36:33 And the road that comes in today about half that distance. Okay. I have the yard in front of slopes down for a piece of then comes back up to the road where that stops from the house. That's where the road came down that you want Joel to hear or know. I mean is your son who's carrying on the dab name? I think it's important to mention that you designed part of the Space Shuttle.

37:23 Feedlot of the feed system proposed to feed system for the space shuttle.

37:28 I design propulsion systems for spacecraft and satellite some of which went to Mars.

37:36 And the last thing I did before quit was

37:41 Together

37:44 The first functional systems free flight demonstration

37:50 I was the first ICBM kinetic kill vehicle demonstrated that it would all work in flight on its own.

37:59 That's probably the neatest thing I ever get because nobody had ever built one of those before.

38:06 2 years before we started it.

38:09 Nobody knew how to build it. We knew what we wanted.

38:14 But nobody had ever built any of the parts not one single part that went in it had ever been built before it was all new it work.

38:25 And it's the foundation of what's being deployed today.

38:32 I remember after the Cold War ended finally being able to see some video of what you had been working on and thinking that it looks like science fiction the fact that it keeps up in the air and maintain its position from four different angles was fascinating to me. It looked like watching people fly around on The Jetsons and I have absolutely no doubt that in the future. That'll be a technology that some of the technology today, but the drones Trace themselves back.

39:13 Actually, they all Trace themselves back to

39:20 The moon landings because that's the first time we really started incorporating.

39:26 Microchip technology

39:31 And then that's what it's all building. It's right. It's all with without that ability.

39:39 This country would be nowhere near what it is and Commercial products today.

39:45 That's what I think about. Was that that that kind of Technology will be adapted into a commercial product that I'll probably use in my lifetime.

39:55 Totally you get you know, they're there for ten Generations beyond that today.

40:02 Huge and ran hot

40:04 Tell me all the things.

40:09 How well it was fun.

40:17 But I appreciate it at the time and I'm proud of you. I love you very much.