Scott Moran and Christopher McClenny

00:03 My name is Scott Moran. I'm 32 years old the date today is April 28th 2012 from Little Rock Arkansas and stay I'll be talking with him a conversation with one of my best friends Chris mcclenney.

00:21 My name is Chris mcclenney. My age is 32 today's date is April 28th, 2012 location Little Rock, Arkansas, and I am friend to Scott Moran.

00:36 So, I guess Chris. I mean, I guess you know, there's a lot of things we could talk about, you know, like

00:42 Four kids mainly select talked about kind of how we growing up in Mena. Like, where were you where were you born originally originally? I was born in Benton and then move to Oregon to Springfield with my family my aunt stayed in Benton. So my mom got to the point where she want to be closer to my aunt Mary who you know, and so we moved back my dad at the time was in the aircraft mechanic airport in mean at a job. So we ended up going there. So that's how we ended up back and mean it. I really we have no as you know, I have no other family in Mena is basically just does right so I know you have a lot of family in mean at your roots are kind of there.

01:28 Yeah, it's kind of kind of different now cuz I growing up, you know mean it was always home with my my dad and my mom.

01:36 You know, you're my brother sister live there for a while now. It's kind of weird people. There are moving go in and be a still have my granny their group born in meaning raised grew up all my life there.

01:51 But yeah, I mean right now the only times I really have left for my granny and my step-mom but so it's kind of kind of has a changing feel to it kind of know how you feel about how it's still your hometown. But I really somewhere you go back to his often if there's not a lot of trips just back to mina to see Mina. So well, even our friends, you know, and he's about the only one left in town and Buddy else is moved on so not a whole lot there except the town itself.

02:23 Yeah, you can you can was a third grade third grade.

02:28 And then we became friends real good friends. I can't remember it. Was it high school high school again working at chiquitos back in the day in the 11th grade.

02:39 What's Chiquita is it was a Mexican restaurant little you wouldn't call it text mix. I don't think so kind of a fast food Mexican restaurant. Just there's not a chain. It's just one store. So it's just chiquitos and Martin Canadian basically employed everybody. We knew it back then Donna Edwards and a lot of people we played ball with or were friends with work there with us. It's just it's kind of a nice setup for someone to work in high school wasn't real high pressure pretty flexible hours. They work with us and with us playing football that worked around our schedules. So I remembered we get paid less than minimum wage end up getting in trouble for that.

03:32 Remember we didn't get paid much money wise, but

03:37 What Chris and I were the best at was we were told that we could have one free meal at break time.

03:44 And if I remember, right we would fix a nacho that if you had to put a value on it would be about $20 with all that actually have to put on there and that was kind of our way of getting back at Martin whatever you could eat in 15 minutes was not a wise choice for the two of us. So cuz we could put quite a bit away in one 15-minute break.

04:09 Yeah, but that was a I have still probably my most best job most fun I've ever had working somewhere.

04:16 The growing up in a small town, you know, you're you're from there you live in a larger area now.

04:25 Do you think that's more of a benefit for you growing up or?

04:29 I like it alot. I don't know.

04:33 I may not know. There's a different ways. You can look at it. I like the fact living in you know with our kids living around Little Rock you have

04:42 You can say things like you can bring them somewhere in like Little Rock Central where we're recording this and see some history or you can take him to the Museum of Discovery the River Market, you know and see like the submarine they have down there all those different things are neat. And you know, you can you can really learn a lot and then growing up in a small town like me know which was extremely isolated.

05:09 It was mainly full of retired people and in that, you know, that was neat kind of grown-up in that bubble, but

05:18 I know growing up in that bubbles like

05:22 If you're if you're not careful, you can grow up with my preconceived notions of different groups of people, you know, like it you mean you come out of it Prejudice not knowing cuz you're not exposed anything to me or expose just to know what's there. Are you older white people?

05:42 It's a you know, we moved from Springfield, Oregon large-schools. My elementary school was probably as large as the entire School District growing up. But you know, my parents have talked about it about they like the fact that they could get to an area like that, you know that they have more input and more involvement in a smaller town like that plus, you know, if we got out of line somebody sauce and of course our parents found out which in a bigger town you can get away with almost murder without your parents ever finding out.

06:20 There's a lot more accountability, I guess in small-town true cuz I remember growing up and you know my favorite memories of growing up in me know where you know, the family grocery store. Alright, our family had a grocery store called Moran's, Foodland.

06:37 And it it opened up just 18 days before I was born so it open up July 5th 1979.

06:46 And it was my my pop which was my dad's dad and he was the primary owner and then my dad was kind of the grocery manager. He had some money tied into it, but not near as much.

07:00 Hey, you know what's his dad and then my uncle was the butcher?

07:05 Growing up in that grocery store around it. I grew up seeing you know, it's kind of a unique thing because I and I feel like I carry that with me today because I grew up around all these teenage boys that worked at the store and saw all the different ways. They would try and get out of work and be lazy and I felt like to feel like that that helps me today like know when somebody's trying to fool me.

07:33 With with anything, you know, I just couldn't can read people really good at store.

07:39 I probably was there.

07:41 And my dad would work 6:30. He'd open it at 6:30 and he'd work till 4 Monday through Saturday. We're closed on Sunday, like everything, you know, the store itself close to 7 like like everything pretty much did this was before Walmart was around 24-hour Walmart and

08:03 That's been in the summertime. I was there every day working 40 hours a week busting those people that were they were trying to get by and not get around work some of those people that worked at that store hated me. Some of them loved me, but I had a few that they couldn't stand it when they saw me because they knew that I would.

08:26 Would a rat him out or not really? Rat him out as much as I saw somebody being lazy. I called him out on it.

08:34 And tell him to get to work so you know that was kind of interesting growing up, you know that can Outlook and

08:45 You'll see a grown up in that grocery store was was pretty neat because I would see in a we had a

08:51 This was before I remember in Mena, you know, you didn't have credit cards really around. No bad credit cards in town the way had no business as it could run a credit card.

09:01 So our store

09:03 People wanted to charge groceries. They charge it on their name, you know, that was a good thing except, you know yet people took advantage of it. But in other words if you want to go charge groceries you went up and you ask my my pop if you if he'd let you do that and and all you did was sign your name and there wasn't any interest there wasn't any payment play in.

09:31 So I saw it kind of a unique thing because that you know, there's nowhere that doesn't it now and it wouldn't any place that did it then?

09:41 And I remember one of the things that sticks out as you know, seeing I kind of

09:47 They could think people come to stories and they tell their sad stories, but why they couldn't have money to buy groceries to my pop.

09:55 And I was sitting there and I used to think man. How is he falling for this?

10:00 You know, how is how is the Pasadena. See that they're just tell him it was sad Story 4.

10:06 No, just just because and that years later. I realized that that he did he didn't know that they were full and then but he look past that because in the end of the day, he knows that they needed they didn't eat groceries.

10:22 And you know, nobody go tell my dad a story like that because they know he would tell him no.

10:28 So I remember Steve see people that wouldn't know would walk around the office and wait till my dad went to the back and then you know, my papa's in the office by himself.

10:41 You know, it's going to grown up around that store, what it was like do you see any of those teenage boys you seen any of them since then? I came up with a lot of them through Facebook.

10:56 And I mean, I don't really talk to many of them.

11:00 But I still

11:02 And what's funny is is I still communicate with him a little bit through through Facebook. So social networking and

11:12 I posted something other day about my dad and they they mention you know, how he was the best boss they ever had and it's it's pretty neat to see because you know, you got one guy that they posted that that

11:27 He's retired from the military that there was a captain in the in the military and was was so involved in different conflicts that we've had. So it's pretty neat to see somebody that went on to have that kind of life in any still teaches it in me and you know, say the say those kind of things about my dad so

11:46 And grow in and the grocery store itself has a lot of good memories.

11:54 My dad's name was Fletcher Moran.

11:58 And then one of the most kind of interesting thing is my my grandpa was Ansel Moran.

12:06 And so my dad's name was

12:09 Ansel Fletcher Ben Moran and then my son we named him after my dad and my grandpa Benjamin Ansel Fletcher.

12:20 Do you unpin a favorite memory of your dad?

12:23 Tons of them that are is really not a bad memory that I have.

12:29 I mean

12:31 I spent probably more time than just about any kid ever gets spent with their dad hanging out the grocery store and hanging out just and we had we had cattle so we weren't when we weren't at the store. We were out in the field on the summertime. We were cutting. Hay and

12:49 You know whether times we're going out feeding the cows and it's hard to find just one one memory because they're all so good.

12:59 Is there any

13:01 You got him?

13:08 I tried telling just about all of the good memories that I have a lot.

13:14 You know, it's just

13:16 Little things that he did that were probably so great. Like I know my dad. He never never had to get on to me.

13:24 And any never you know me he could give you a look and that was all it took and I don't know if that was.

13:32 You know from his experience cuz my dad was in Vietnam and he said he was an officer in the army.

13:41 And you know that taught him a little bit and I forgot in the Army. He went straight into owning his own business.

13:51 But if there was just one thing growing up for me and just you know, how me and my dad was just nothing but

13:59 Never had a bad word to say about anybody. That's probably the thing that sticks out the most you you hear people.

14:06 A lot of times people say they'll have people they don't like and you know, but my dad really didn't have anybody that he didn't like.

14:15 He was you know, just always Hey, listen, you never have it would always listen and they always had Sound Advice. So those are probably

14:26 The best things about it.

14:29 You say listening that you know, the times would come over and visit. You know, I always remember him sitting in the recliner watching TV, but not many words really spoken and usually when he did speak, you know, he has something to say so you better be listening. Yeah. He didn't like me, you know, I'm real quiet.

14:52 I don't I don't really have you know, some people they have to talk to people like that, but they have to feel empty Time by talking.

15:02 And it may I can sit somewhere in silence for hours and I feel like I'm going to got that from him.

15:08 Soho

15:09 Yeah, I mean when he talked it was it was always something good.

15:15 Course, he's not here anymore. He died of emphysema. And that's the thing that was from cigarette smoking and that's when things I'm most proud of with teaching teaching my son being is that

15:30 Teach them hell.

15:32 Evil how bad I don't know if he was right worried about how awful cigarettes are and what they can do and for about the first time Ben could talk. I told him just a couple things by myself cigarettes will make your dad. So now he's 6 years old if I see somebody smoking I get a special kick out of it when we walk by somebody and he'll look back at me when that person still within earshot and you'll say something like why is that person smoking don't they know the cigarettes will make you dead?

16:02 And it always makes me happy so

16:07 So growing up, you know, that was a member always used trying to get my dad to quit smoking so and he did at the end and we got a lot of good quality years out of it afterwards, but

16:22 I'm glad I was able glad I'm able to teach my son that cigarettes will make it in.

16:27 The the small-town environment you talk about being at the store all the time, you know with our kids, you know, mine spend a lot of time at daycare then spends a lot of time at daycare. They don't have jobs anymore where you get to spend that kind of quality time with a parent. So, you know, that's real special that you got to spend all that time around your family right now. I'll work you no work overnights and in one of the main reasons why I'm still doing it right now is just to make sure that I get as much quality time with Ben and my sacrifice a lot of sleep.

17:07 You look when I get off Friday morning it at 8. I'll sacrifice any sleep Friday and I'll go and he's in kindergarten. So I'll go I'll leave town leave town like 12 and it take me about 45 minutes to get to school and I'll spend the afternoon hanging out the school get him on the weekends and any chance.

17:30 BJ's a good day off, you know, I'll I'll take it with him and he said I've lost a lot of sleep over it but I wouldn't change it for anything cuz I said, I mean that's

17:41 I want wanting to hang out with me as much as possible. And I think you know daycare is good and everything but I like

17:49 I like being able to teach him things that that we learned growing up. There's some things those people can't really teach your kids. So that's why you know, would me being a coach. I hope the girls get to the point where they can come after school and hang out, you know, like the coaches kids did when we played and I'll be there around me. You know why we're practicing waiting on Tori to get back from Little Rock or from wherever she's working at the time and I think that's really good. And what I do with being a teacher and Coach is hopefully they'll be able to come to the school and spend time with me while I'm still working.

18:32 Right, and I'm sure they will that'll be exciting, especially with the

18:38 Your son being born coming up here in another what's where was six weeks away and mid-june. I think June 17th will have future football player on your hands right there. Let's hope he'll he'll certainly have the size for it. So

18:56 And your mom went back to school like whenever how did she go back to school and graduate from Henderson she did.

19:06 You know Prime Time Pizza in the video store and you know, she worked there for years while she was driving. Arkadelphia and going to school. She got her education degree and she started teaching and push Valley witch.

19:20 I think was an hour and a half drive one way. She did that for like 6 years before she got the job in Hatfield, which of course, you know, Hatfield and poof Valley now don't even exist. We've all been Consolidated in the other schools. So yeah, but she went back to school while I was in Middle School, you know, so she could get a better job.

19:44 Yeah, I think I know my mom went back to school and finish whenever I was I think I was in third grade 3rd or 4th grade. I can't remember it seems like it was 87 when she graduated.

19:57 But she went back so she could get a job. I mean, you know, my mom had with my dad and went through college and and went in as an officer.

20:08 My mom didn't quite get done originally and then as soon as he graduated from college, he was young being shipped all over the country before online schools. You know, he couldn't do it with know what the internet was.

20:24 But she went back in the 87 humble even got her degree in.

20:31 I think social work cuz I know she don't I know she was social worker and worked for DHS in Polk County, which is Mena for several years and then worked in Montgomery County Mount Ida and Scott County ended up as a supervisor in Scott County, which is Waldron just north of Mena, so

20:56 So we can have that in common both we had a parent go back to school later in the course. You had your dad went back to school here just recently recently. Is he started out there and rmcc getting some credits and they moved to Texas in 2001 and he finished he got his bachelor's in seminary and he's currently working on his master's course now, he's a international student advisor Grayson County College. So he's working on some international student studies right now to help him with his job. I remember the first time I met your dad it had to have been

21:37 I want to sweep we might have been in in elementary school. I stay to your house one night and it was it was a long time ago is 4 we became really good friends. Like we like we did later.

21:50 But I remember your dad worked in the factory call Sterling Machinery a work nights. I think I remember we had to be quiet. You couldn't make a sound really noise though. He came in and seem like he'd worked as a nail works, but off was.

22:06 Not the friendliest guy in the world cuz he was war at work so hard and of course now, I know him as the guy that would do anything for anybody and that and it does do anything for you. But I mean just you know, I consider him with your parents are just like parents to me. So, I mean that's it's amazing. How one from when I first met him to now how you know now it's kind of changed and then you know, I see what he's like, he's just amazing guy.

22:37 When you talk about that, I mean even

22:40 Yelm my experience with them, you know, he's softened up you always a grandparent now and of course all grandparents 10 to soften up, you know, when you're the kid there are mean and unreasonable and then now that I've got kids, you know, they're you know basically bend over backwards to do anything for him and I think that's just the natural cycle though, you know as they get older and they get more experience and they've kind of seen what their kids go through everybody kind of lights up their kind of their perspective on everything's brought in the little things that seemed super important may not be as important as they once thought were and you know this shift their attention to other areas. So but you know Dad work nights like you said forever then when I got in high school he got on days just so we can watch us play.

23:37 Because without that he would have been working for Ivory Friday night.

23:43 My dad's name is Brad Macclenny.

23:48 Do you have a favorite memory of him?

23:53 Well, I have a lot of good memories, you know some of them border on.

24:02 Kind of what's what they are aren't good.

24:08 Yeah, like going back to trust we talk and joke about all the time. I was helping them build something one time and

24:15 He's all like he wanted me to hold the nail while he hammered it and you know, I wouldn't hold it and he's like well, you know, trust me, you know, I'm not going to hit you in a course. I held it and he hit me, you know when we joke and play about it, you know, there's no hard feelings.

24:35 About that

24:37 Really with with my dad and it's not so much of a memory in general. It's just the fact that he loves me.

24:48 As much as he does considering, you know, I was

24:52 Six when he married my mom and you know one of course I was a big six-year-old. So his whole family basically told him to avoid my mom and her kids because they all thought I was twelve and I acted like I was 6, in fact they had warned them that they thought I was retarded, you know not to use that term lightly, but because I was so big and I acted so immature and you know as he got to know me and I'd like to think he's had a lot of influence on me. Like you said, he always worked hard, you know, that's one thing that I think I do is work hard, you know, if he's always willing to do things for other people, so he's carrying, you know, and I'd like to think that I'm willing to do things for other people obviously my friends and so why I'm here today,

25:48 Short notice came on about it when I give you nine 10 hours notice on this so

25:57 Definitely came in and save the day on this.

26:03 We also grew up and you know, we both had really good parents, you know.

26:11 Your mom and dad and we also had siblings that were kind of that the opposite of us that that push the limits, you know, neither one of us got in trouble. I know my sister is older than me and your sisters younger, but my sister is 12 years older and

26:27 Gave my dad fits on

26:30 On everything

26:32 And just pretty much the opposite of me now. If I'm quiet, she's loud, you know if I learn to think of others first, she she learned to think of herself a lot. She's she's mellowed out a lot now, so I'm not going to say anything.

26:49 And I'm negative but you want him it was Ellis her name? Yeah, well Lisa.

26:57 I don't know when whoever listens this down the road what name it'll change. She goes she's went by Elizabeth Beth.

27:04 I think now she goes by Beth, but whoever listens to this recording years from now, feel free to call her Lisa.

27:12 And you've got an older brother, which I didn't have. Yeah, I've got a brother that's that's 9 years older. You know, I'm I jokingly refer to myself as the mistake. I know that's not true. But in Alameda still it's a big gap there was twelve and you know, 12 years older 9 years older than meso.

27:33 But I do have a brother Kyle he is a teacher over in Lamar.

27:41 So we live in a 1 the best thing in the house. We don't live too far from each other with only live about he lives in Russellville, which is 40 miles from where I live in Conway.

27:52 We don't get to see each other as much as I'd like, but we're real close and we get to talk to or three times a week.

28:01 And we always talk about sports.

28:04 All my conversations. I'm pretty much about sports. So but the only thing that I talked a lot about so there's nothing wrong with that. My sister lives in Hot Springs now, so

28:19 And then

28:21 I do have a stepmom that I mention her in passing, but you know, she's not worth mentioning again just

28:30 Just the fact that you don't my parents one of the hardest times growing up for me and my life was.

28:37 My parents told me they were getting a divorce. It wasn't unexpected.

28:42 You for years. They they really weren't happy.

28:45 But you know, I grew up in the same house kind of your Chris moved around a little bit. I grew up lived in the same house all my life. You know, we had land we lived in the country. So so while I saw they were unhappy and I wouldn't have been surprised by the announcement of divorce. It was still

29:06 Kind of a Down moment real down moment cuz I knew that things were going to change and I we so my senior year of high school shows a live with my dad and we we moved to a small.

29:20 You know not a good house.

29:24 Stan in town and that was that was an interesting experience. I was seeing a real damn didn't talk to anybody about it, then held everything and I'm running like crazy. Remember I work.

29:39 That summer I work two jobs one of them was that deliver and ice.

29:45 And we work and let's this people think that's a good job to have in the summer. But cuz it's in there somewhere cool, but that's like the hardest job one of her she has ever had.

29:56 Bag end up delivering it all over Southwest, Arkansas.

30:00 And then I work at cicadas and then I'd go run and basically my goal was to only spend the littlest amount of time as possible at home. So

30:10 6 6 hours just to sleep pretty much.

30:15 I mean I had a curfew growing up. I don't know what it was when I was out running around the park till like midnight. I think it was 11:00, but it was rarely enforced but but you know my going back to it after the divorce and my dad was introduced to a lady they become my stepmom. Her name is Carol.

30:38 Anda

30:41 You'll not take anything right for my mom cuz I still still close to her and everything, but and I credit my stepmom for for really extending my dad's Life by 2 or 3 years at least.

30:56 She see, you know one of my favorite stories about him as whenever they were introduced and they were dating and it look like things were, you know could get seriously told her he said it's not fair to you cuz she had lost her first husband to cancer so it's not fair to you, too.

31:16 Fall for me and in the marry me because I'm not going to be around much longer.

31:23 And it's Carol said well, that's that's my decision to make and basically took it off of him and said, you know 5 we fall for each other and that's that's on me more as much as on you and

31:36 Anyway, what I'm getting to is that Carol is

31:40 Just with her for one. She could cook lights out best cook ever and

31:49 And just the fact that she was able to cook good home cooked meals for him and and make sure he ate and then she was able to be a caregiver, you know, the last six months his life. He was in a bedridden.

32:03 Couldn't move 6-1 weigh 200 lb at the end and I mean that was with her trying to get anything. She could think of to feed him.

32:13 And

32:14 And she was just a blessing, you know, as far as doing that keep him happy because in those Last 5 Years that they were married Last 5 Years my Dad's life.

32:26 You know Alexa, my dad was happier than I'd ever seen him. So.

32:31 So that was a really remarkable to see not that he was unhappy before not that I thought he was unhappy before but just I was able to see a change that I didn't even totally unexpected and still today Carol.

32:49 You know yours this was years ago. This was that 10 years ago that my dad died Carol got remarried.

32:56 And and has another set of responsibilities to her husband. She still takes care of my granny. So my dad's mom and still goes and checks on her.

33:09 Four five times a week, even though she really doesn't have to you know, I mean, she's a sweet lady she recognizes it but that's what Neil Granny's most comfortable with so

33:24 Account want to give Carol a shout out on this cuz then you know, she's she's worth talking about so.

33:35 And now you've got two kids and you got another one on the way.

33:41 In

33:43 Yeah, I'll have three soon. You know, you talked about again perspective if things change and on your dad being probably the happiest last five years and you know, my dad's gotten, you know, kind of soft as he gets older, you know, those things and yeah, I can see you know, when you're young and Kids Are Alright age, you know, mine are forward 3 not to have another one out. Everything is piled on you and it feels like the weight of the world's on you. And then as you get older and all of them leave the house and the responsibilities kind of lesson, you kind of can slow down and and look and see what's important, you know, just having them and loving them and being a part of their life.

34:32 I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't change.

34:35 I'm an old saying I'm most proud of so far in my life that I've done is it's having such a having a son and it's just a everyday is just awesome. And I mean a little things like a

34:50 You little things. He says that he didn't say as many of the little cutesy things anymore, cuz he's getting smart enough to the no.

34:58 But we're walking around yesterday at the Arkansas River and he saw a baby and he said something about Abby.

35:06 A beehive and they said something about going to see the princess be and little things like that. You know, you can't and I don't know if you know what I like your daughter the other day when she was talking then I overheard her say that chocolate milk comes from white milk comes from cows and chocolate milk comes from brown bears when they are brown bears, which I didn't teach her that so I may have to have a talk with daycare.

35:36 See what they exactly they are teaching but yeah, we still get a lot of the the cute things said it our house. Obviously, there's a little bit of age difference and is going to be 5 and Sophia just turned three you known mid-june will have the the third one the boy, so it should be interesting around the house to say the least. Yeah, and you know, I think I think one of the most unique things about our friendship is that

36:08 In fact that we were friends growing up and that we're still friends today. That's not something that's real common. You know, I mean a lot of times you lose track of each other.

36:19 And not just us, you know where our entire we got to our inner circle of friends that we that we refer to ourselves as the committee.

36:29 You know, we've got a there's six of us.

36:33 And five of us will four of us the original four.

36:39 Are all from from Mena and all from the same same grade and everything the same age. We got one of us one of them. That's younger than us. And then we've got one from out of state from California who became friends with After High School.

36:57 So I think that's got to be one of them has to be one of the most unique things about aspect that we we're also closed and we still make it a point to do things together. We you know, which we try and play play a little golf every year and we

37:13 I'm going to see Star Wars together and it

37:17 Oh, yeah, like you said you you know, just the cuz there's a lot of people we went to high school with it. Like you would probably say well I was friends with that person at one point, but the nucleus of what our friends are now is basically those six people and the relationships we've carried on the gulf that we try to play every summer and when we can get close enough to see each other we try to get to where we can see each other of course social networking and text messaging and all that makes it a little easier if I had to write letters to you probably wouldn't own nearly as much about what's going on with you. So

38:02 And like you said, you know four of them four of us or

38:07 Live together. In fact me you and Andy live together in college roommates and we can still talk to each other. So that says a lot and you know, a lot of people who room together in college end up hating each other. So we've been able to carry it to care that friendship Bond through quite a bit.

38:26 Yeah, we are.

38:28 And I'll wait. We always try and include each other and think about it is is we wouldn't have the committee. We always say that you know, like

38:37 We know the weight we have each other. I didn't each other's back anytime. So and that's something you know that.

38:44 You know me and our kids, you know, I mean like like been every chance I get I want him to see the other guys and almost treat them like their uncle's you know her and I do want him to think that you know, Chris is like an uncle to him. You know that kind of relationship that always look out for him and

39:05 That's pretty neat and hopefully by doing that, you know, maybe maybe our kids will be friends and other kind of, you know, they live with spaced-out need some of them but we've got a few that are better clothes, you know, I'm on all six of us and we feel we've got enough that it should bridge the gap some but like you said, you know, there's some older ones and there's some younger ones and now there's a lot of difference but just that familiarity with each other getting together and seeing each other. I know band probably been the most exposed to everybody. You know, he said he's seen and spent a lot of time with all the members of the committee. So, you know mine we've sent spend some time but not nearly as much as Ben. He's probably kind of DIA.

39:56 The most acclimated of all the children to the committee and their Antics and all that.

40:02 Yeah, you know when he found out that Andy wouldn't come in today.

40:10 He looked at me and said did he say was coming down?

40:13 So what yeah, he did get my role so I gave kid's eye roll on the subjects now.

40:21 And I hope you know what's weird is we wrap this up. You know, Chris I can't. Thank you enough for

40:27 Talking to me, you know on such short notice that mean kind of we're on the fly, but that's kind of the way you've always been, you know, you can adapt to anything. So I

40:37 I mean this is been pretty awesome experience and and I'm really excited to hear how it goes and have an archived and do another one you don't down the road. So it's like you said short notice but it's been great. And I thank you for letting me be The Back-up Plan and being here and just getting to sit and talk with you get to spend another day with you. And then now a lot of people get the opportunity to listen to us just sit here and chit chat so to speak and it's right so