LeaAnn Jolley and Benjamin Burger

00:03 Hi, my name is Benjamin burger. And I'm 40 years old and today's date is July 8th, 2015. And we're here in Vernal Utah and my relationship to the person interviewing as I'm her husband.

00:24 Okay, I'm Leanne Jolly. I'm 43 years old. It is July 8th 2015 in Vernal, Utah, and I'm here with my husband.

00:38 All right. So my first question for you is what's the best thing about being a paleontologist field work part of it? I'm afraid to say it's like camping with a purpose in Egypt. And so what were you looking for in Yemen in Egypt and Yemen? We were my friend Nancy Stephens project and she was kind enough to invite me alone. We were just checking out some more or less unexplored areas to see what we could find in terms of tishri.

01:23 Throwing terrestrial deposits though. And I remember of it is that you basically got a friend. I'll call from your friend and said yeah, you want to go to Yemen go look for fossils. And you said sure and you rushed out got a passport got the Visa jump on a plane like what two weeks later and just went out to the desert and my passport was about to expire so I had to walk it through and fortunately you can do that in Denver under the person there was adamant and telling me I should not go to him that I went there was you and Ken are trying to come back from Yemen 38 hours traveling between the time I left the m in and arrest Colorado. I got pulled out of line a lot and had my bag search to laugh. But that's where I was coming from. Yeah. And at one point that's why I was there and I was tired in that thing.

02:23 When I said it's a tourist, which was not there aren't a lot of tourists that go to Yemen from the US. So yeah, my bags are searched a lot. Tell me some of your experiences in Egypt like things. I remember you went off to Egypt a couple couple Summers to collect fossils in the in the desert and one year in 2000 was a 2001. I came out to visit you and I didn't seen you in this is kind of in the early days. So we didn't really have good cell phone coverage and and internet coverage and stuff like he do now so, you know, I only talk to you so I flew into Cairo and you came out of the desert after being out there for six weeks and have like this tan on and crazy hair and I remember meeting you and you started like we went to catch a cab and you start conversing with everybody in Arabic.

03:23 So in that short amount of time you had learned another language at the level of a two year old.

03:30 Birthday cakes in Folsom

03:33 So yesterday.

03:34 Play watch out for the water buffalo, but that's it.

03:40 Cancel my people. Yeah, I know we travel around Egypt and that was a fun experience. That was a blast. I was really glad you're able to come out and meet me out there. So what is it about fieldwork that makes you so happy to be out there collecting fossils. It's one of the few times that I feel totally like Eddie's and in my element is when I'm in the field.

04:05 Made a lot of people don't like to camp in tents for weeks on end. But I like everything simpler like all your belongings fit in a bag can keep track of

04:19 You're out in nature, which I love I absolutely love that. I can't get enough of that. And I really like to the camaraderie and Community like you're literally living with people in close quarters 24/7

04:36 4 weeks on end you really get to know people in a way that you can otherwise and

04:42 It's just amazing and in you get to it like you're putting such certain circumstances that you wouldn't be in a vehicle to get stuck or you know, just things like that. It's just you forge relationships in the field that you don't in normal life and men are people that I feel closer to having spent six weeks in the desert was then people interact with on a daily basis for years. That's a lot of it. Yeah, and of course the fossils the files are awesome. What's the weather some of the the most interesting fossils that you found at sea?

05:26 I get excited about everything that I find to be on it, but in in Egypt, you know, lots of hyraxes and primates and I didn't know one particular fossil that stands out in my mind, but all of them really I get excited about all of them and there was one thing I saw on Wyoming which I didn't realize at the time was so unique has always stuck with me and I wish I'd had my camera and I wish I could have sex again with my sense of direction is not crate. Has anybody who knows me knows but I'm I found an ant hill made entirely of fossil shells which I mean every single rock on that he'll was a fossil shell and it was amazing. It was magical and I didn't it was my first year in the field. So I had no idea how unusual that was said something that I'll always remember that was just

06:30 So

06:33 If you've dug up worked on dinosaurs, why are they such a pain to get out of the ground?

06:41 They're way too big. I like things you can see and then pick up and sticking to some vile and then you're done yet. Dinosaurs are just too big lots of jackhammers thoughts of forklifts and things like that to get. Yeah, and then once they're out of the ground getting them to where they need to be is ridiculous for all my dinosaur people out there. I applaud you but you can just have it cuz it's insane if you can find any fossil. What fossil would it be and why?

07:20 Oh, man.

07:23 An articulated primate skeleton because that would be awesome.

07:28 Yeah, that would what type of priming.

07:33 I like the I'm on my. I have a fondness for the Ya-Ya the early private beyond that. I can't be more specific. I just like I said if I found a skull of anything, I would be doing happy dance. I'm

07:47 I'm not that picky.

07:52 And by articulating I mean, you know the whole skeleton there in place put together maybe holding it a fruit in one hand and and another fossil small mammal in the other. That would be awesome.

08:10 So, alright, so we just got back from June fieldwork. So you got to tell the story starting from your point of view of when he discovered that fossil scapula until we made it back, Okay, so Sunday morning it was overcast and I was super excited because part of that it been like a thousand degrees.

08:31 Just too hot. I hate hot and so the Second Sight we went to I found a scapula shoulder blade partially exposed. So we dug it out and just as we removed the scapular from The Rock literally started raining buckets, like the shower on high. So we Dash to the car because we were in a flood plain and the roads are not great. So we made it back to camp.

09:03 Got the kids changed into dry clothes to the nearest paved Road. Yes, and you're my GPS guy. So I have no idea in the middle of nowhere and we were it stopped raining and we were seriously debating whether we should leave right then or wait it out and see if it dried out in the next day because one of our feed field vehicles with a two-wheel drive Camry, which is not advisable and we know better if that's just how it worked out and then it started raining again just as heavily and we decided we better break for it now or we wouldn't get out because the roads are

09:46 Really bad when it's wet. So it was us in our FJ Cruiser which was fine with the trailer on the back the two wheel drive Camry and your student Chris in a four-wheel drive Subaru.

10:01 So I brought up the rear.

10:04 I don't know how he got out of there to get through. We got 10 miles down the road and got to some some old stuff. And then the next thing I noticed was that we if we could get to the county road. I thought we'd be reset and we made it through because one of the things that happens in the desert doing it get these big huge thunderstorm says he get flash floods that wash out roads and if it were Road gets washed out you're stuck there and you can be stuck there for a couple weeks for it to dry up enough to drive across and we know I was worried about the first 10 Mi we got through that finally got to the county road and the county road was just a mess with mud. And and it was that clay which not only is slicker than

10:57 Ben Affleck stuff hasn't use the word to any way is very slick and turn it to cement has the wheels not to spin anymore and you just can't grip anything and we have snow tires on the on the car to try to grip with the mud but it filled up the undercarriage of the car and you just stuck in the middle of the road at the top of the hill miraculously and was digging out the wheel wells in the back with a tent Spike. Yeah, cuz I didn't have a hammer and some oil field guys drove up behind me and I asked if they had a poke tool and they helped me dig out the mud and I had to do that every time I made it to the top of my house were watching you in the back, you know, just like coming up to just like I was every time we come up the hill I would be like that's it that's going to just Veer off the road and into a big.

11:57 Mud puddle and we'd have to skin a camp there. That's what I thought well off the road like the Camry. I didn't think I'd make it to the top of the hill. I had it revved up to like six thousand RPM at times which I'm sure is a great City Engine, but it would inch inch and I really hope cocoa and it would have been chilly make it to the top and then I'd stop and get my heart rate looks pretty finally made it to Pavement, you know travel 70 miles. We got out and took pictures were so excited.

12:34 I didn't think we were going to make it to Pavement. I thought we'd be camping next to the road and it was really even more stressful because I had to teach us to teach today. So we had to get back by yeah, that's when the problems with the infield work if you can get stranded so easily I think I've been stranded there a couple Summers. I've been stranded, you know if stuck vehicle last with last summer, I got stuck and had to hike out you get your vehicle stuck in some wire trying to get somewhere and so I've been lucky I have only been rescued by search rescue one stuff in your fault and it wasn't my fault, but it was a pretty messy.

13:16 But we made it to Pavement and then I realized it if I got over 40 miles an hour the Camry with shakes violently, so I thought great. I broke it. It was the much everywhere and after a power wash it only shift after I reached 55.

13:40 Yeah.

13:41 We made it Drake and the kids slept through most of it took her two girls out there to do fieldwork Sally infelice 11 and 5 and I think they enjoyed it. They they found more fossils and we did I think they're close to the ground if key in her eyes, you know, I've been staring at the ground too long over the years and my eyes aren't as good as the highest in the house when you get closer to the ground. So do you think either one of them become a paleontologist to what career do you think he'll go into will probably do something.

14:23 Science related possibly or at the very least animal related to she loves both of those things Solis. I don't know if she's she's a trooper she likes being out there as well. It's hard to say though. She's only five she was calling me every single steep inclined and whenever you take her out she just like as a no fear of yeah, she just climbs and just goes and I have to watch her closely.

14:55 I understand those leashes now, but we need to go getting the fossils out of the ground just has an intuitive sense for how to get stuff out without blowing it up, which I've seen a lot of adults who've been doing it for years. You don't get the fossils that you have to you know, if you working on him government glue let the glue dry and you know, it's it's very tedious.

15:33 So let me ask you a question. What fossil would you most like to find?

15:49 I know something completely unexpected I think is

15:53 You know something that's like, you know some animal that's not quite in the right strata, you know something very unexpected. I think is very exciting, you know, when the things that you find stuff in you you spend hours preparing it in the lab and you have in your mind that it's something totally new and unique and then you find out that there's another skeleton at some Museum that you knows already been prepared and it's just as good as yours, you know, and I would love to find something that's really kind of unique and different bit out of place or maybe a combination of traits that you hadn't expected. You know, I love I love staying a fossil mammals, but you know finding something that's kind of out of place, you know, like it a pterosaur in the cenozoic or a dinosaur that survived, you know, something really out of place, you know, I think that would be really exciting.

16:49 You know and I think you know with paleontology every time you go out you have that in your mind that you might find something that that's completely unique and bizarre and totally unexpected. And I think that's what keeps you going.

17:05 And in the beef jerky.

17:11 So what's the best way to inspire and encourage other women to become paleontologist?

17:20 Giving them an opportunity to just get out there and do it. I think.

17:25 It's I mean, it's not rocket science. There's nothing about it that

17:30 You can't do you know like far as physical strength goes it's not really an issue. You know, I've actually really only had for the most positive experiences.

17:47 I was lucky in that like my undergraduate advisor Burke cover was in is a fabulous human being who was nothing but encouraging and I've had so many other interactions with other paleontologists know.

18:05 Calm down.

18:07 I got my my drawing a blank on names. We have Peter Robinson and a whole bunch of people who that it was never an issue. I mean, I did see like when I was in Egypt and we had to like there was a an oil company nearby when that close but where we were camped where we'd go in once in a great while and take a shower and their facilities and they weren't completely freaked out by the fact I was homing so that could be challenging at times. But that was just a minor little blip on the whole thing.

18:41 But yeah, I just just giving women and girls an opportunity to excel at something and build their confidence and see that they're just as capable of doing these things as their male counterparts I think is the big thing.

18:58 So why did you go into paleontology what captivated your interest in Old extinct animals?

19:10 I just find it fascinating that there are remains of animals that lived millions and millions of years ago just out there roading out of the hills and they can tell us so much about what the planet was like what life is like, you know millions of years ago. And that's the only way we would know like the only view we have into the past world is through at least of the animals and the plants is through these fossils and it's incredible we can

19:41 Dino figured out from a skeleton with they did who they're related to but they looks like but they ate I mean it's astounding and then to fieldwork really that's what hooked me on my way to the field with Burt cover in 1993 and

19:57 I was hooked. I just loved it and I'm always astounded by paleontologists. You don't like the field work part of them like this like scraping the frosting off the cake. I don't understand but that's okay goalie for them. Whatever no judgment just find fossils and and it's a lot of work, but I think it's it's rewarding. It's kind of like hunting or fishing or something like that. But you're doing something trying to find something that like is almost impossible that it actually preserved itself. You know, you think about like how that skeleton of that bone came to lie there and all the things that had to have happened plus the luck of you stumbling upon it, you know, looking in the middle of the desert Safari roads to dust. Yeah kitchen just in the right time just isn't enough of it speaking out that it's not to completely destroyed enough of it still on the rock.

20:57 So the describe the kind of a typical day in the field.

21:01 Well, typically we get up early which is not my favorite part, but it's in the field. So a bad day in the field is better than a good day. In other parts of life. Just get up get your gear together go to the sights and you just basically walk around on the outcrops where you think you're likely to find stuff and when you do find stuff you

21:25 Keep looking more closely in that area. And if it's buried in the Rock, then you Corey it out. And if it's not you pick it up and Coursey record where you found it and

21:35 What is a lot of just wondering in the middle of the desert back and forth and back and which is very meditative. I like it unless you're trying to make sure that children are climbing to the edge of cliffs. And what have you do me like a horse. That is awesome. I love that. They love to be out there very happy and meet some nice places are Wilderness areas and they're really really remote and when you're out there, we don't see anybody, you know, there's nobody out there because no one cares if it goes 70 miles on a dirt road into some place that you know is just just really remote in and it's a great experience and it's good experience for

22:35 And just that the stuff that you don't plan on seeing likes of the wild horses that we saw in the Washakie were amazing the Pronghorn that practically satadhar can firemen. They were completely unafraid of us that can really close the tadpoles in the water kept coming into a camp in grazing right in right next to camp fire. So that's one of the things I love about it. When you do field work in foreign countries, you also get an opportunity to interact with people in another culture, which I think is one of the best things a person can do in terms of

23:17 Gaining compassion and humility and having a better sense of you know, where there are in the world. I had a lot of preconceived ideas about people before I started doing field work in other places and I found out that people are people are everywhere and

23:36 A lot of them have the same concerns as you know, everyone else, you know, taking care of their kids and I kind of think it was it was one of the things I really enjoyed about working in Egypt was interacting with the people from there.

23:50 Was amazing. Is there one fossil collecting Expedition that made you scared what happened? Like not really there's been situations where it got a little dicey. I was scared for you last summer when the spring thaw Caillou in that flood ugly and you're in the middle of nowhere and it was nighttime and fortunately you had cell phone reception so you could tell me was going on but that was frightening part because I wasn't there and I don't help us to do anyting but no shingles and yeah, okay. Well, I was fine with her realize what it was until then I thought I'd caught some exotic African disease on my first trip out of the country and I was going to die there but then I realized it was shingles which still sucks but isn't fatal.

24:51 You can get codeine over the counter in Botswana. Her room was a lifesaver. So yeah, it would even be updated despite that. I had a fantastic time. I mean Botswana is amazing. It's so wild and beautiful and even with shingles. I'd like to give you an indication even with shingles. I had more fun in the field than I do in like regular life without you.

25:19 So there's a good Metro there is exhilaration of being out, you know.

25:25 Just in the middle of nowhere and just realizing you just have what you have on your your bag and you have to kind of do that through thinking but it itches so beautiful in the country and out here, you know, just going out and Adventures and trying to find stuff. It's it's like the Ultimate Sword treasure hunt the people that you get to experience. It was and my best friend Nancy Stephens. I mean we've had so many amazing experiences. I'd give her a kidney I give her too and it's a lot of it's just the wonderful experiences we had and I mean the best thing I found in the field was you like we hooked up out there and

26:07 It was yeah. Yeah. So what do you remember about her first night together? We are here collecting fossil mammals in the Bridger Basin not too far from here, which is one of the classic places in the United States for amazing fossils. And we've been as an undergrad staying geology. You graduated at the end of the summer.

26:37 Well, let's see when I first met you. I thought you were stuck up but turns out you were just shy once I figured that out and mercilessly pursued you they'll wait we were all hanging out around a campfire is one does and we were the last two left because I held out that other girl. She went down once went to bed. Haha. Yeah that was beginning of

27:03 I remember I went out like a about a week before you and I was with my professor and he freaking out there and is really raining in muddy. And I was very excited to be out there and you pull up in a Jeep and hop out and he had like it was really cold. It is is a cold May Day, you know and love these little shorts on and t-shirt and you were so excited about their you're running around and I thought it is so cold out here. I was all bundled up with a coat and everything and you're running around like super excited to be in the field and I was I am I always am it's like it's like Christmas and a birthday combined. It's like well socially then because I had no responsibility as you know, I was just a kid between school sessions and so I could just you know,

27:57 But I think that's one of the things that admires me the most about you is you just love doing adventure like, you know any opportunity you just jump on it. I think most people are terrified, you know to be out of their element. Can you just relishing it? And you know, you you're quick to serve adapt to the circumstances and then you just super enthusiastic when you're out there. I mean we could be out, you know rain stuck in a muddy road somewhere, you know miles away. No cell coverage just stuck and Stranded and UV soap. So happy if you find you know, just give me some beef jerky and I think

28:37 I think one of the best things you can collect in. Your lifetime is experiences rather than things, you know, like experiences really make you who you are literally and

28:51 You just don't know what they're going to be either like you can plan trips out really. Well. I feel like this is where I'm going to be doing in this is what we'll see but it's not usually white turns out I think being able to roll with that though is a skilled. It's good to to get him and I'm not always I haven't always like there's been times when I haven't been had the right attitude when when I went to the gym and my leg is still with me cuz I barely caught the plane and took my luggage didn't show up until the day we were leaving Yemen so I can yeah, I talked to change of clothes fortunately and my friend Nancy had a pair of sheet of pants she gave me and then we stopped at a shop in Yemen, and I couldn't buy underwear but they had swim bottoms Fendi swim bottoms made in China and then you figure out and then I kind of threw a little tantrum when I didn't have my luggage because I've been traveling for

29:50 I don't know how many hours I was cranky. But then but one of the nice things about that is your real eyes. First of all, I always pack the essentials in your carry-on, including the change of underwear. And if you like it doesn't show up.

30:04 Honestly, it was fine. We were all dirty anyway, so what difference does it make if you change your clothes less often, we all were stinky you don't notice cuz you're all equally smelly.

30:16 So it works out great. So yeah, man, I used to be terrified of that. I remember talking to one geologist to Donna Madagascar and his bags got lost in it like oh my God, what did you do? And he's like, yeah, it was fine. I remember thinking I just don't even know what I would do. Well now I know it's all find.

30:37 So let me ask you a question. When did you first realize you wanted to be a paleontologist and why?

30:45 So sorry that I want to be a geologist and I really loved rocks and rock lections in size to some like that 2 or 3 and I always thought fossils are kind of ugly looking you now, they were search Rob and I love I love gems and crystals and I want to be a mineralogist and then in junior high I used to escape from the bullies at the at the lunch area by getting a library pastner go to library and I remember I was in the library one day and there was this book is the biggest book to Hannah library and it was Charles Darwin's Origin of Species and I pulled that out and I started reading it and I must have been about 11 or 12 years old and I got to the part about the lack of fossils transitional fossils. And I thought what cash I could do that, you know, I could find fossils. There's

31:45 Transition Staffing. So after reading Charles Darwin, I thought well, I do paleontology and the ironic thing is that when I start telling adults that I wanted to be a paleontologist to instantly thought that I was into dinosaurs and I didn't know anything about dinosaurs.

32:07 Intel of a sudden I had to start reading about dinosaurs and getting caught up and I'm at somebody first paleontologist would ask me questions. I didn't know about dinosaurs that have to quickly read and I got really interested in mammals in fossil mammals and I remember there was there was like three books in the library.

32:30 When was Paul Martin's book on returning extinctions and fossum Hamilton and that really inspired me? And so that way I got me interested in. So when I went was looking for schools to go to my thought about going to Colorado School of Mines and being a geologist by knows that they didn't teach any paleontology and paleontology sadly is being kind of taken out of La geology programs. And so I went to the University of Colorado and I took the first paleontology class I could take and walked up the professor afterwards and said I want to be a paleontologist. What do I do? What can I do any volunteer work where you where do I go? And he basically took me.

33:12 To the old Hunter building iCampus, which at the time was the film school and the paleontology collections. So strange building has been torn down now, but we would go in and the first person I met was Peter Robinson who is the professor State fossil mammals there and we was sitting on his desk this professor. She's just sitting at a desk in her little cut-off t-shirt and shorts I walked in and I dress kind of like pretty cuz I was going to get muddy. I was going to volunteer in the lab that date and she said I love you shirt. It looks like someone just shot you cuz it a big stain on that Center the shirt in a hole.

34:06 You were terrified of me for a very long time.

34:14 Got ya in the end. But yeah, it was fun volunteering and having you come in and just chat and you were super enthusiastic getting taken out tiny fossils from gravel.

34:35 A lot of fun is a lot of fun in the museum. So I think we got just a few seconds left.

34:43 5 minutes until I'll let you answer ask a question 800 boy. What's your favorite part of doing field work?

34:53 I'm seeing new places and trying to figure out things I love I love puzzles and I think that's when the funnest things about science and paleontology is figuring out a puzzle and pissing it all together like that. First summer before we hooked up we were out at Seminole County and there was an exploded Turtle it was exploded into a thousand pieces and you spent an hour picking up every single piece and for the rest of the field season in Camp, you glued that whole thing back together and I was like dude this guy is awesome. And everybody else is like that's crap and you were like no I will make it into a turtle and you did it's amazing like you can just find a teeny fragment of something and you realize that

35:44 You can tell a lot from a little teeny Shard of bone and a lot of people I think we can go out and find something. That's just they think is just a rock. You look really closely at you realize it all the sit bone of some preacher and I'm always amazed at how you can identify things that are just two teeny little fragments or something and and from that little fragment reconstruct the whole creature that once lived and it's kind of like being a detective which I love, you know, just trying to figure out the mystery of how this phone came to be there. What was the creature that belong to what was the environment like

36:22 So just be a detective I admire your dedication to it like you never Tire of any of this like a visit of the two of us who are there more intellectually honest and you love every aspect of that. I must be like doing the fieldwork. But like since we've gotten back even looking up every possible skull that.

36:40 It was one that you found could be till late Into the Night Like This is clearly like in your blood and it is what you are meant to be still in the Rock writes about this size what we could it be will be couple for a couple months before you can get it prepped and then spend a lot of time trying to identify it and see if it's anything that's that's exciting which is really exciting this stuff and you figure this stuff out. You can identify teeth. I cannot be held a gun to my head and billing address.

37:29 Peace if you have teeth, you can you can identify a male use for a do you have been with you and you have to be here band? What is this? That's my tax on holding. Oh and I should say real quickly for the dinosaur people out there and I love dinosaur people too. So I wasn't dissing a dinosaur's to keep doing it and it's really, you know, you can spend the entire career background and describe don't have that patience. I want to go walk someplace that we saw that Brachiosaurus we have to get out of the morning.

38:04 Can I just figured we take our kids didn't you? Remember one time we when our oldest was about to I was doing dissertate registration research and I was out for about six weeks and you know, it gets lonely out there with with you at home with a little little one and working full-time. So you were going to come out to meet us and you called me on the road and said that she was crying a lot and not feeling good. You pulled over and she had a really high fever. And so I rushed out to the highway to meet you guys. He came in and she is really sick. So I had to rush into town and I was like all men cuz he's a little baby and she had a really high fever and then she got really bad fever rash when to bathe her in the cold water in the hotel and

39:04 Tricolor down a tall man. This is going to be impossible to do fieldwork my advisor. Jalen Everly told me a story that she took her little one out for the first time in the world there Jeep with the little ones trapped in the car seat. She had to hand out the the the pee pee out of the world Jeep and she thought I'm a horrible parent letter at the same thing. I'm a horrible. But then you know, they be sick anyway at home. And so, you know, and I think it's really good for them to experience that being out there that element like there's times I would like when they have been bitten by naturally get rid of a sunburn on my God I suck as a mom what am I doing? But but then they have experiences that I think are fantastic experience has made this change of perspective on fieldwork because when it's just you that you're taking care of

39:59 You don't feel as bad about taking risks, but when two little people are depending on you, you're like, we're in the middle of nowhere. We could this could go south real quick in that makes the situation more grave. So I think you have to be more careful about what you do when you. For sure. Yeah.

40:21 I don't know but maybe were bad parents just in our own way. Are we all at home?

40:36 We have friends that take our kids to the field in foreign countries and you know that has its own different set of inherent risks that you don't get with domestic fieldwork. But I think they're learning about their Academy experiences. You cannot replicate any other way like no trip to the zoo is going to do that. So, yeah, I think

41:01 I I guess I just always knew we'd bring him to the field.

41:09 36 months pregnant facts about a week. Yeah, we were out pregnant doing fieldwork and you get mad at me. If I got us lost me to walk any further because I put a big huge air mattress in the tent to the tree to get comfortable and you can even get up out of that. So we have to like all you at I don't know that I would do that again.

41:37 Yeah, I got to just try it see how it goes.

41:40 Yeah.

41:42 But one thing I want to say is I want to thank you been for like being my partner on these crazy adventures and I hope we can continue to do this till we're hobbling around on the outcrops with our walkers for New Adventures of a lot more to do with more time and more places to go explore 2. I certainly hope so but more fossils to find to

42:10 Tattoo

42:14 Thank you for everything. No problem. Thanks for answering my questions.

42:28 Yeah, okay. Thanks. Love you.