James Kaskile Muyenga and Vera Carothers

00:02 Okay, my name my name is Vera Carruthers. I'm 24 years old today's date is July 16th, 2016. We're in Providence, Rhode Island, and I'm very happy to be here today with James Castillo Moringa. Who is the father of Janiyah who I tutored too bright.

00:25 Okay, I'm James Caskey dominga.

00:30 The agency 41 today's July 16th, 2016 location in Providence, Rhode Island relation to partnership Rivera who is to die for my kids Janiyah.

00:52 Okay, so James What story do you want to tell today?

00:58 Okay, I want to talk about how I became to this country a how I became to be.

01:07 Linda's especially from the country. I was I was born into this country.

01:15 Okay, so you are born in the Congo? Can you tell us a little bit about your childhood to know like how you got here?

01:23 Play I Was Born it was April 176 in Democratic of Congo before and then how is it going over there? I ended my mom and them was it from my parents. And then after that I have to do my my brother Six Brothers some of that I had said to three brothers and one sister.

02:06 After that to win, how was the kids I went to school. I didn't know that have a chance to finish my to get my diploma. But I did 11 years in school begin to work like a voluntary Infamous because my my parents had if I'm as over there after that when I finish my school I went to two.

02:45 To Tanzania and when I was in Tarzana Wednesday work am in my my country and then I split in Tanzania or in Tanzania. I beginning my eye on the business. I was doing I was doing fall little I open a little storage. It was Silas in the shows that cause that God also be there because they different things under my my my own storage. How old were you when you got to remember very well because I did like a sexy ass before I came to this country. I kept my day.

03:42 I don't remember very well, You are ready an adulterer. You were still like a child they come when I do my country is to as the logo for afternoon GoPhone I get problem over there and then I move protect action cams the name, which was there after a few years. I became president of the refugee camps. I lead the people like

04:25 4 years after I moved orders orders orders Kemp's Oconomowoc Olympic Games. Yeah, they vote for me. It was a it was amazing because it was not ready to do that the bath when the then the people who was the first president when the easy is it to say that when is when is it time to finish and then he he elect anyone who can become president for for the camp and then I was there and then myself I put my hand and have the people we did the election like on those people are doing and then the people chose me to be present for the camps.

05:25 Yeah, I was praised for that because I was not too short to be to be president, but I try to see if I can be it wasn't me. It was my my first time but I remember when I was in school the people.

05:41 Choosing me to be a chief of the Dead the class. I begin when I was in class. When I question about school. Was there did you like going to school when you were a kid wear their classes that you liked zero? I did not like it to be in school, but my parents taught me in school after that. That was a lie, just to be to be in school after that. I like that you had friends. What's the difference?

06:27 Yeah, when they when they wanted to refrig game for the Finks I solve a date was amazing because of that they and how is it we saw it was a very little and then today I was just was not very nice to to to to live a also the food. It was only two kinds of food did the people that eat dispensaries are there?

06:59 It's okay. I think they'll just go here it better to turn it off.

07:06 So, can you

07:08 Can you start again with the camps nursing very little housing like housing people totally mad because it was as a condition with song when it will just add it to the wall song. It was the only two kind for the food special day to his demise the people get the miles or so sometime. We get a little rice the Kanye by Kanye.

07:47 So wasn't good food good for the bad because we did not have time to change it. If you know the people mostly of people live in refugee camp or most of them. They don't have it at the job this day living over there for wedding that unit's here to give them after 2 weeks. Maybe after 2 month one month. We will receive the 4th from Eunice. Yeah life in the camps, like what?

08:27 All the life in the camp, especially the people who leave their country when they came to the refugee camp. There's life in Camp is not good The Good Life bar. Where do I have to do to choose because when you flit you miss everything but I can I can say about that life it is there life in the beans woman 222 live in we still leaving because we don't have a choice to leave.

09:03 So do you want to talk about being president? What kind of work did you do as president when the guy was is dual to solve that problem. Thanks that was doing over there. The first thing it was to make relation with the people. I'm leading a also if they had a problem between the marriage. I was there the people call me it was anytime the people came to me anytime the people miss me and then to ask me for advice to solve the problem of because they was the people that the people who were still on as on the others people is security security problem in the camper. When when I saw that I was reporting to Unit C. I was reporting to Tanzania government.

10:03 Who was it that we was it working quick weave that I was in solving the problem. I wasn't meant turn the security of the lake Day Camp. I was also reporting the problem between Refugee and the towns are near people who came with their their business to to to to sell over there. I was not working for myself because I have them I messed up my vice president also, they cancel all the secretary and do all that other think we was working with them. How many people were in the refugee camp MC12 Z100?

10:54 Well, I'm not 1400 find something other than finding a job. What is it? Like being the president? What would when you walked through the camp did people greet you? What was the experience like the majority agree with my my my job because no one came to me the president's you are not doing the job because all I want to see how I'm doing. I see the majority was angry that I was doing mataderos Salmo complain about about the money. I about how I saw them there then there was a problem and what were some of the decisions that you had to make where they're very hard decisions that you had to make as president.

11:54 Because if they are some problem movie was it solved if we did not finish sometime. I was giving my cancel alarm before the problem to come to me because they wasn't the leaders that the leaders are broke Brooklyn does they was pissed they do for solving the problem if they're not able to solve the problem. The problem is you came to meet my office after that. I was staying with my stuff to solve. The problem is the problem is too hard for you. If we are not able to solve the problem with bringing two units. Zainea government to solve it at the County of San Diego.

12:44 So yeah, that's where we going to say was this very stressful or eustress like she choose our second language. So I'm saying when you are president was it very stressful to be in this position of power was that did you like being a leader president that job that job but it is good job because he does people helping people to make sure why they are insecurities in peace Sam system of the Union it is good job, but it is a hard job because they opened again. I understand everything you need. There are people who is

13:37 Who is not is not able to travel there is nobody want to 12. What is the problem when it is planning you and then do so now you can have to have is that is on that someone was complaining about that because I don't know they don't have the knowledge to understand if he's in the Mystic people don't want to understand that station. So now I know you work as a leader now also in your group here. Can you talk about how leader how you use your leadership here now in the United States because when does that time over to the world Island States?

14:29 Over here when he came to the states and then the people came to me and they said well, we we have also the Congolese Refugee. What do you think? I want to we can do because they are not you deserve it. Okay for this I have little experience. I can try to see how we can do and then I meet one of my member is Nemours is sending money with spoken with it with him. And then we decide we can make it on Sunday, today. I'm going to school meeting and then when we did the congress committee for choosing the president or the latest I was not that I was not there ready to be president because the election with video of Isaiah. I was I told everybody who was

15:29 But then the same day and then I told her who wants to be the leaders to leave the Congo Refugee to resist it. No one puts his hand. No one all people was a scam to be leaders and then they thinks you're right. I did myself. I I took the paper and then I told everybody we are like it.

15:54 15 people over here and there because no one puts his hands up to be to live there, And then I will I will take the paper and then I would give to everybody and then everybody here will look who is able who is the Congolese Refugee everybody paper after that where we do the election the truth James to be leaders on this is the way I became a joy that I didn't know she was in bed, since you were very little boy people have chosen you as a leader. So why do you think that they would choose you may be a natural? I can be naturally then maybe this other job I'm doing is bear maybe all Cycles.

16:54 Tickets to Canobie chance you can be God you can be anything this see behind me. This is me. Maybe they see it. Can it can do that has liquor in Congolese culture. What kind of leadership is there in the culture of Congo? We have like a week all natural leaders. We can say like a I saw in Tanzania. We have no colitas. I don't know if I record I did not know that the other day.

17:45 I miss is I want to be in communities who are like leaders. Yes. We we have the all the other people that people are we going to wait we call in our language. They Capital. What does that mean? After all that leaders? They are we can send.

18:30 I know the word but I don't remember how we can use that one. I know like you're like your father and your parents were they leaders to what did your dad do my parents my parents to his family because he's apparently wasn't like him than just kids when he was told us all deck that they did that the village.

19:13 So you're in Tanzania. Do you want to talk about how you then come to the Rhode Island? Come to United States?

19:22 Okay.

19:25 Okay. I came to United States when I get to the I can say before I came to Tanzania. I filled my country because the problems I get over there. It went ahead Eva to Tanzania. We Sunday immigration from from from America because we went through this address playing our our problem. We cannot live alone in Tanzania. We have to have a security Twilight life and then we wake up. We went into office over there for turn turn the turn the Dem or we can get the

20:12 Are we can get it in the de Security phone however for our life and then after that is a send immigration from America and then we we we try to explain to our program will get to our country and how are they can help us to 2000s country station. They went two times over there and there was also the after that has descended UTA.

20:54 Give you guys like immigration. Is it likely that they also asked you? Why you fit in your country? Why you do not seem like it was told to come back to to come back to your country. And then you explain them the problem why you cannot go back to your country and why you wanted to have it at settlement to leave to others country after that after explaining that you are not going on after that as cleaning all these things all the problem and then they became one one day sale at American safety of your your application. Now you can wait to to go to America. Do you remember that day when you found out when they told you?

21:54 You felt so did you feel happy know. I was very very very happy me and my wife and daughter and all those kids like see far and because every knee was a little bad Symphony and and my wife we wasn't very very up that day. I think we did not sleep with didn't notice. It was amazing. It was thinking it is really always lying about what about the United States were you excited about the happy ones? Because we get we get to the country. We live in to our old life. This is SF is Fink's Sphinx. We make has to be happy. It would like to be there because getting America.

22:54 Know about the America but we was there.

22:58 Hearing about American Sumter movie. So American TV like that like in the movie that we did not know what is going through my mail. How old was Tifa?

23:13 The time

23:18 8 then I saw a picture of you and Tifa and Nia and Jenny and Evelina and I think Jimmy know Gino a picture of you in 10 Zinnia that Jenny I showed me this picture. It was a very very nice photos. But because those kids were born in Tanzania, right Johnny. I was born in Tanzania Jimmy did you know?

24:04 Life in the Congo and then you came together to Tanzania. Yes. I always wanted to ask you James. I'm how did you and Mia actually meet. How did you meet me? And the near we meet in the chat? There wasn't charged in Moroccan South Sound of Congo. What is a two-way call send for me? And then I was member for that charge when I went to Baraka. So I travel to Morocco. I meet me over there and then we wasn't in semi charged after that died. So I like near won't because she was a good singing Under the first things I like to know because he was there when is it saying I was happy and then after that I begin our love with you

25:04 Was Nia in the choir was she singing in the church? And then she was a good singer and there's your voice when I saw her face is singing. That was very happy. How old was Nia when you met her.

25:25 Anita she was there.

25:29 16 16 16 years and when you got married was that when did you get married like when she was 18 or it's in 18? She was 18. I don't remember that yet and you are a little bit older Yahweh. There's a wedding gift at 7 or we did it. We did not do wedding in Baraka with everything in it was wonderful. There was a lot of people went over there and that's your hometown. So do you think any of your children did they sing to?

26:17 Oh my God, that they don't they don't know how to say it because they charge we are going we are not singing. That is why I am so does NIA still saying ever does she have you heard her sing if she likes it every time because

26:43 So you found out that you were coming to United States when you got to Louisiana or when you got to the United States, what were your first impressions? What did you notice about United States you got here?

27:04 When did it get to you as if I think I saw it was I think I've called the video that it is very cold. And then I was surprised about the situation. They always I saw it was different now is we having Africa because most of ours we went for different material kind of materials in Africa lyrics must have brakes are they use the hours of Isaac very different. And where did you first arrived Louisiana? Yeah. It was it was the Anastasia. How long did you live in Louisiana?

27:59 Elysian I did most two months only Thomas October 26th 2010 I did and then I moved to Rhode Island too much.

28:19 Yeah, I don't remember that cuz it might be the only two two months in Louisiana. Why did you come up to, Rhode Island?

28:32 I came to Rhode Island because in my wife she had a relation or friend and friend and we was leaving we have two same country. I was easily does when he had we are in Louisiana. She was calling every time we need to leave in Jim's family go to trusted to seven states is an area. That is why I moved and I know you have some other family also hear your brother was visiting you where it what are your where does your brother live?

29:19 This brother that you had last time. I came to your house to introduce me to your brother. If you are friends with someone that you can call him brothers ever since I'm leaving Connecticut some live in Massachusetts or does estate is there we have 10 minutes. Do you want to talk a little bit about life in Rhode Island? What what do you want to talk about?

29:59 Okay, I can talk to you. It'll be about to say life is Rhode Island. They live in Rhode Island. It is very different the life. We live in Africa over everything we have to pay by the to our country. We are from the other things. You cannot pay the Ariel and you can get for free you can you can with your house free. You cannot pay nothing that you can get everything free. It's a dependent for you you have current to do you have to pay back whatever the difference is this country over here. It is easy to get jobs. It isn't here to call it. Is he a driver some donation in Africa, or to my country? Noisy to finish your school now is it to have a donation so easy to Ave?

30:59 Jobs, they also the opportunity of security and peace than the country where we are from. Yeah, you can have something at the then the people came and they kill you if you have it sometime God you ever if you became Rich sometime the people, then take care of you. This is different than jobscore. The Nations Roofing tar. The Ford is not a big deal. You can get that easily than the country iPhone because the security

31:42 Did you think have have you faced violence here in the United States like?

31:50 Oh, yeah, Divya Lines by TV. Sometimes by TV show Lines by myself. I don't know if we can save your allowance. I was working with the polliwogs in only walks in and not something nice to me feels. I was helping one people right and then he was not paying me the money when I talk to him to pay me the money and then he's told me do you know me?

32:24 Do you know me I said, okay. I know you because I'm helping you to give you a ride. Do you have to pay something? He did not pay me and then it told me I would do the bad things to you and then your words you will see that after that after two day ago. And then install my history is told my car is towed my car. It was done after today's storm. And then I reported to police and then I were you scared. Yeah, I was scared. I was going about as a student. I was scared. What are some of the things that

33:08 That scare you for like are you scared for your children at all ever here in the United States or not so much ice kill some time with my kids and I scare with some time with me is because this is the situation this situation if they did not have a good school maybe in the can they cannot have a good life. I'm scared about that is why I'm praying God and looking some support looking is responsible to them to have good good good school because without that I'm scared because I'm seeing some people that are homeless then miss the life. I'm scared about that are kids that I have met are very smart and hardworking and they are very you should be very proud of them. Are there any things that you would like your children to keep from?

34:08 Alex things that you want them to know about their their Heritage and Africa to Fiji solidarity for the development because 413 sing our kids the rose African Rose teaching kids about to take a chunk don't know how I'll in which galaxies language and special is Swae Lee and or does it to know I will catch a little bit and then is it a few times I can teach their kids about the situation. I'm seeing my kids they have losing their losing with the catcher. They're losing their African education, kreuzinger the language to become Steam.

35:00 Only speaking English when we tell them this is baritone total tomorrow by the sounds that they are not understanding because that area is the English manor.

35:25 What else what else do you want your what are you excited for for your family? Like what do you look forward to?

35:32 For my family. I'm looking to have my family to a good story good story. I also want to be famous. One of my kids are all all my family to Bahamas. I can say to be the big people to just come to the underworld. I'm looking now. I can know why don't my family to be a big people in this country. You want your kids to be leaders to anybody who can do that better things and then all the water to know what are some things that you feel proud of that you've done in your life. But are you proud of in your life?

36:24 Computer update. What are you proud of in your life that you've done? What are you most proud of like my say like, I'm very proud that I'm a father or I'm proud that I've been president or what what do you feel proud of you? Okay.

36:41 I freaking proud because I am president for it to be president for any organization in community anything to his country making me happy because I let my history. I'm proud about it. And then I want to continue continue if it would not be me in my family or my kids to be like me or to do more than me.

37:15 Do you see some of the leadership qualities in your children? When you look at them? Do you see leaders my kids when I look them. I'm seeing Jimmy he can find me Jimmy Jams when I'm doing something is watching and then he's doing to his assistant is a little bad when it says I'm always gay mounting. I'm seeing maybe you can be can't believe that I don't know. He's very I love talking to

37:53 What I would just want to thank you James for coming in today. Is there anything else you want to say before? We stop?

38:04 Okay, I'm happy to I may have to have this conversation. I can say God bless you and your team continue this and then

38:22 I think thank you for that.