Shannon Roseberry, Janet Chamberlain, and Circe LeNoble

[00:04] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I'm Circe Lenoble, 47. Today is December 1st. We're in Jacksonville, Florida, and I am a daughter and a granddaughter, and my.

[00:18] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Name is Janet Chamberlain. I'm 71. Today is December 1, 2018, in Jacksonville, Florida, and I am a mother and a daughter.

[00:30] SPEAKER C: And my name is Shannon Roseberry. My age is 87. It's December 1, 2018. Live in Jacksonville, Florida, and I'm a grandmother and a mother.

[00:46] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So, grandma, can you tell me about growing up? Where were you born and who was your family?

[00:59] SPEAKER C: I was born in Riverside, California, and I had two older sisters, Nakoma, who we called Nikki, and Naoma, who she didn't like her name real well, so we called her Jeannie. She chose Jeannie. And my mother had lost two previous children, so there was just the three of us left. We moved to Pasadena, California during the depression years, which, you know, by recording other people. They were pretty rough years.

[01:41] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: When did you have moments?

[01:43] SPEAKER C: When I had mom when I was 16 years old and young. Mother.

[01:50] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yeah. And other children.

[01:54] SPEAKER C: I have Candace, who is Candace now, is what, 67. 67. And Linda is 66. And I had no other children.

[02:07] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: You had no other children?

[02:08] SPEAKER C: No.

[02:09] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And who were you married to?

[02:10] SPEAKER C: I was married to Jim Mathers, my high school sweetheart. And we were together for 14 years, then got a divorce. I was single for two years, raising three little girls. And then I met that you only know is your grandfather, Thomas Roseberry. He was a brother of a very close friend of mine. She always said she gave him to me. Aunt Mary. Aunt Mary. Yeah. And we were together for over almost 40 years when he passed away.

[02:49] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So you had three girls and then you married grandpa. So how many kids did you have then?

[02:56] SPEAKER C: He had seven, and so we had 10. And we had them off and on living with us until they all grew.

[03:06] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: To be adults even then after that you had some come back, didn't you?

[03:12] SPEAKER C: Not after.

[03:13] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Wait, after, like me.

[03:16] SPEAKER C: Oh, like you. And then Lyndon and Craig moved in and moved in and out while they were building homes. And then Kyle stayed a while. Yeah, Kyle stayed a while. And you lived with me for a while when you were first over to go to college. And so we had family in and out all our life. And then after Tommy passed away, then. And Lynn and Craig had some financial difficulties, they moved in with me, so.

[03:49] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So you have 10 took care of you. You have 10 kids. How many grandkids?

[03:54] SPEAKER C: Oh, golly, I can't.

[03:56] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: 20 something.

[03:57] SPEAKER C: Yeah.

[03:58] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And I'm the oldest and I have.

[04:01] SPEAKER C: Yeah, you're the oldest. I don't know. Is it 20? And grandchildren I have, there's two. I don't know.

[04:14] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Too many to count.

[04:15] SPEAKER C: Yeah, lots of many to worry about.

[04:18] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So we have a large family and a large extended family. And like you said, everybody moves in and out. So why do you think that happens? What is so special about our family that you can't really get rid of anybody?

[04:37] SPEAKER C: I don't know. With Tommy and I, the kids always said wherever. Because his work moved us around the country. And one time, Janet was coming to see us at Christmas time with you and her husband at that time. And she. They said, well, how long did you live in Pittsburgh? And she said, I've never been there. And they said, well, I thought you were going home. And she said, no, my mom and dad are there. That's home. So maybe that's the reason.

[05:12] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Mom, what do you think?

[05:14] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: You know, it's hard to say. They were, I think, very unique parents. You know, you bring a bunch of those kids together and we used to always laugh about Pop because he was a very creative disciplinarian. And there could have been times when the three of us girls could have been frustrated, resentful. Resentful, because a lot of times we would get punished. But when his kids came, they wouldn't. And I can remember mom telling us, but that's because he's comfortable with you guys. He knows you love them, love him. And, you know, he's not that comfortable with the kids because of the situation with his ex wife and stuff like that. And once we realized that, then we didn't really have any resentment. And, you know, whoever was with us, we all. I can't remember ever really fighting between us, other than normal brother and sisters bickering. Yeah, I mean, you know, normal things.

[06:23] SPEAKER C: I always told you it takes a lot more effort to make you obey and care about what you're doing when you get in and everything than it does to ignore you.

[06:35] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: You're right. And, you know, we learned that I was a junior in high school, and so that could have been a very, you know, turning point situation. And instead of it going badly, it went beautifully. I mean, I hadn't been out of California before they got married, and we got married in December and we moved to Mississippi. And from then on we kept moving across the country and all over north, south. I don't think there's a part of the country except maybe, you know.

[07:06] SPEAKER C: Well, no, there isn't a part.

[07:07] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: The north, Northwest, like Idaho, you know, that type of thing. We never lived up There. But we went from California and to.

[07:15] SPEAKER C: Mississippi, to Ohio, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indiana, Charleston, South Carolina, Lamore, California. So you were pretty far northern in California.

[07:29] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And again, that's. I think, for me personally, as far as my growth as a person, I think that was the best thing that ever happened to me. You know, definitely broadened my outlook on education and, you know, arts and.

[07:48] SPEAKER C: Well, I think you realize that people are pretty much the same all over the country. They might have different food to eat or different things, but their people are nice and good. And people always ask me how I did, how I moved around the country, and I said, I'm like a puppy dog. I go in wagging my tail and sometimes I get kicked, but most of the time I get a pat on the head. And Tommy always said she cries for two weeks and then she just gets busy because finding a new grocery, new doctor that you had.

[08:26] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Every time when we first started moving, her saying that, you know, there's different foods and stuff, it wasn't like it is today. Today you can move across country and you're going to eat the same food. Not then, because we left Southern California with tacos and enchiladas, and they looked at us like we were crazy and.

[08:48] SPEAKER C: Got known to lobsters and crabs and shrimp.

[08:52] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: But, you know, you said taco, and they were like, what? What are you eating? And then, you know, something as simple as learning to order a cup of coffee in Boston. When I moved there, it was like, I would like it, you know, no cream, black, and you got it with sugar. So you had to learn to say black. No cream, no sugar. Or in the south, no sugar, unsweetened tea.

[09:17] SPEAKER C: And they didn't make unsweetened tea when we first moved there. Tea was sweetened.

[09:23] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: It was the only option.

[09:24] SPEAKER C: Yeah, that was it. So they now serve it both ways.

[09:28] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yeah. Did you have a favorite place that you lived?

[09:31] SPEAKER C: Yeah, Waveland, Mississippi.

[09:32] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: How come?

[09:33] SPEAKER C: Oh, they were so welcoming and I don't know. It was just a warm, friendly place.

[09:41] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And we still have dear friends from there.

[09:44] SPEAKER C: Yeah, we still have dear friends that live there and always felt natural and home. And if I had to go past city place, that would have been where I would have gone back to.

[09:55] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So that's where you met Charles.

[09:58] SPEAKER C: Charles and Jerry. It was just a wonderful time of life. We were in our 40s, and you were a little freer. You can leave your kids at home and go out for an evening. You didn't have to get babysitters. And there was a lot of. We had A lot of home entertainment between all of our friends. And we also went out a lot and had a good time. And so it just brought back a lot of fond memories.

[10:26] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: You did. I always remember my favorite stories are always the stories with you and Jerry and Grandpa and Charles and, you know.

[10:36] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: The crazy things that you did sitting.

[10:38] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: In the gutter in New Orleans. New Orleans.

[10:43] SPEAKER C: Always came over Sunday afternoon after mass, says, let's go for a ride. Want to go sightseeing? And we saw most of the Gulf coast in the dark. And then we were out in the country. I don't know why we drove out in the country. And it had a brand new Chevy and it had the side panels on the tire. And they got a flat tire. Well, they saw an armadillo and decided to get out of the car and chase the armadillo. And when they got back, the tire was flat, so. And it was cold. And they just ripped that side panel off and changed the tire so we could go back.

[11:24] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And that was Grandpa and Charles.

[11:25] SPEAKER C: That was Grandpa and Charles.

[11:26] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Oh, those two always seem to get into crazy adventures.

[11:30] SPEAKER C: And Jerry and I used to just shake our head at them.

[11:33] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And Charles is still a part of our family.

[11:35] SPEAKER C: Oh, definitely, definitely. And his kids, he comes and visits.

[11:41] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Us and visits you, I think.

[11:45] SPEAKER C: Really well. Tommy always kept in close touch, but I think the fact that no matter where we moved, he always came and stayed part of our family.

[11:58] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And Moen had you come stay with him?

[12:01] SPEAKER C: Oh, yeah. Every fall he'd fly us down to Mississippi and. And just like he was on this cruise with his family and because they were going to stop in. Where did they stop? Saw Devin.

[12:18] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Oh, and.

[12:21] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Now I forget, we're all Grand Cayman.

[12:23] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Grand Cayman. Just last month, Grant Cayman.

[12:26] SPEAKER C: I took the time to want to see Devin and be with Devin and. And we were saying that when him and Jerry came out with their fifth wheel and they were going to go to Alaska and he had these little motorbikes, he took the kids roaring all over Apple Valley with them. And so he's always. We've always been part of each other's family. Yeah.

[12:54] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Even came up for Butcher.

[12:57] SPEAKER C: We just lost our dear uncle and son in law and he was there all the way from Mississippi to be there for the funeral.

[13:13] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Special, special person in our lives.

[13:16] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Well, and I think that's like you said, home is not a physical place. Get out the tissues, everybody. Home is not a physical place. You know, I moved so much as a kid with you and dad and we moved all over the place. But my whole Childhood is defined by when I was with Grandma and Grandpa.

[13:45] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah.

[13:46] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: You know, when I spent the summer there in Apple Valley. Oh, with that damn donkey. Peanuts. Grandpa rented a donkey. Cause he thought it would be fun for the grandchildren. For the grandchildren. And I would riding it. And Aunt Candy was there. And your mom, Great Grandma Pete was there.

[14:05] SPEAKER C: Oh, yeah.

[14:06] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And the donkey wanted to go one way, and grandpa wanted the donkey to go the other way. So he hit it with a switch, which really made the donkey mad. And I ended up butt first in a cactus.

[14:17] SPEAKER C: And then your kids wouldn't go near the donkey. And the donkey stood in the corral and just cried. So grandpa called the guy, you better come back and get the donkey.

[14:27] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: This is poor thing.

[14:28] SPEAKER C: But that's kind of things he thought, oh, God. Oh, God.

[14:31] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Crazy things.

[14:32] SPEAKER C: And, you know, it's just like when we were in Charleston, South Carolina, and his two children, Murray and Annette, were with us for the summer. And Linda was there. And he decided we were going to Lake City and go down the river and go to Myrtle beach and spend the night and Fort Lauderdale. I mean, you know, he couldn't. Because of work, he couldn't take off a long vacation. But weekend vacations and Henny made him special and fun. And he always wanted to go down dirt roads.

[15:08] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Oh, Jesus.

[15:10] SPEAKER C: Where does this go? When we were moving from California, from Palo Alto to Indianapolis, and he saw the sign for the Flaming Gorge, and we turned down this road and we drove and drove. We never did find a flaming gorge.

[15:28] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: We went down it and all the ghost towns that we explored. And I love that picture of him and Shannon when Shannon was a little girl, walking through the ghost town, hand in hand, the cowboy hats and.

[15:46] SPEAKER C: Yeah, he was. He was a special person that came in our life.

[15:51] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah. Yeah, he was dad. He was more than dad. He was.

[15:58] SPEAKER C: He was.

[15:59] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: When somebody asked me who my father was, he's the person I think of first. Not Jim. Jim.

[16:08] SPEAKER C: And yet Jim. Jim wasn't a bad person. He was a good father to you kids.

[16:13] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: He was.

[16:14] SPEAKER C: You know, and we probably could have gone on and had a good life, but life interfered. And, you know, Tommy wasn't perfect. He had his faults like anybody. We all know that. But his faults made him more lovable.

[16:31] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I don't know how. As stubborn as you are, Grandma, and.

[16:34] SPEAKER C: As stubborn as he was, because he always won.

[16:40] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And that's half of our family stories is, you know, my sister Linda and her kids traveled with them several summers in a trailer. And they said that they always knew it was time to park in the campground for the night because mom said, come on, we're going to take a walk. Because she didn't want them to be about grandma and grandpa trying to park the trailer.

[17:03] SPEAKER C: His favorite thing was, it doesn't bend like spaghetti with his trailer. And I always got my feelings hurt. Wouldn't talk to him for the first half an hour after we'd parked the car.

[17:16] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And one thing I always remember, too, is, you know, like I said, I had never been out of California until the December of my junior year in high school. And suddenly we just packed up and drove to Mississippi in four days. And our first, we got down there, and it snowed all the way to the Gulf Coast. The Gulf coast actually froze a little bit, and there was snow out there. And we were in a little, tiny summer cabin. The walls were mildewing and water running down them. And we were crying, watching the rose parade because the sun was shining.

[17:57] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And that's where you just left.

[17:58] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And that's where we just left because we grew up, you know, just miles from Pasadena.

[18:05] SPEAKER C: It was a learning curve, really, because, remember, we went to get the Christmas tree.

[18:11] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah.

[18:12] SPEAKER C: And he wasn't with us. And you were hanging out.

[18:14] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: I was holding up.

[18:15] SPEAKER C: You had the window holding the Christmas tree. And we got on that one dirt road, and the bottom fell out of the road, and we had to. We weren't that far from the house, but here we were with this Christmas tree, the car stuck in the mud, and, you know, we had just gotten there. Oh. And then the girls have never forgiven Janet. Have they done it?

[18:41] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: No, I didn't do it.

[18:44] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Wow.

[18:46] SPEAKER C: We went shopping over, and the girls were all older, and they understood that we just made this move, and we didn't have time to do the regular Christmas things. So we said, well, we're just going to take you shopping, and we'll put IOUs on the tree for other things. So we got over there, and Janet convinced us or them or somebody these particular boots were the latest thing. And so the girls got these boot. They hated these things. To this day, they've never forgiven Janet.

[19:22] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Because they wasted a Christmas present on these boots.

[19:25] SPEAKER C: And that was when Janet was 17, and she's 71 now, and they still have for talking to them into buying these boots that they hate it.

[19:36] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah. Our stories seem to linger in our family. For some reason, I don't get reminded.

[19:42] SPEAKER C: I've had more people ask me, you know, why don't you write a book? You said nobody would believe this whole.

[19:48] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So I didn't know about the IOUs on the Christmas tree. But when you said that, that totally reminded me of the IOUs you got in your Christmas stocking one year.

[20:00] SPEAKER C: Oh yeah. In Lamore.

[20:03] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Why are we telling all of my stories?

[20:06] SPEAKER C: Well, it wasn't really your fault. No, you didn't. And then you had gone with your dad and Linda and Craig had gone up to his.

[20:13] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: It was my first Christmas without Circe after my departure.

[20:16] SPEAKER C: Yeah. Lyndon Craig had gone up to his parents in Palo Alto for their Christmas. So it was just Janet and myself and Tommy going to be there. And we said, well, let's, let's not just stay here in the house and be depressed. Let's go up to the mountains and have a nice brunch and everything. And so we had these big Christmas socks that. No, we hadn't had the socks yet.

[20:39] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: We.

[20:40] SPEAKER C: So I went out and I got all kinds of little things for their socks, for our regular stockings, for their regular socks. And we woke up Christmas morning and everybody had stuff in their socks but me.

[20:54] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Pop and I forgot to get anything for mom's socks.

[20:58] SPEAKER C: So the next year, that's when the invention of the giant Christmas socks.

[21:03] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And Janet has made to me and said we need to make a big sock for mom. I mean, a big sock.

[21:12] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So it's probably what, 3ft tall, 2ft wide.

[21:16] SPEAKER C: It's a little under a yard, I think.

[21:19] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah. Takes about a yard of fabric. We make them. But they're huge. I mean they're. They're big enough that we can put two or three books in them and still fill it up with magazines and candy and toiletries. And you know, we spend a good half an hour because we wrap everything we put in them. Just opening our stockings on Christmas morning.

[21:42] SPEAKER C: Yeah.

[21:43] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And then the next year I think one of. Or shortly after that, I made, I made Pop one. And then Linda had had Kyle and they came home in the Christmas stockings. So no, Kyle did or Kyle did.

[22:02] SPEAKER C: Did Devin or Kyle.

[22:03] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Kyle did.

[22:04] SPEAKER C: Yeah. And Linda didn't want to give it up even though it was just the flannel red. And at that time your mom was very involved with cross stitch. And of course Linda can talk. She talks any of us.

[22:18] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: She comes up with all the creative ideas and we create.

[22:22] SPEAKER C: But anyhow, she wanted the little drummer boy you did on the front of the sock in cross stitch. And of course has a very precious gift stamp. She'll never even give it to a daughter in law because she doesn't trust him to take care of it. If it was son in law. She might give it to her daughter, but not. And then Taryn. You didn't do Taryn's, just Devin's was the only one you.

[22:50] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: We ended up with. We did Kyle's and then she wanted, you know, Devin and Taryn wanted the stockings, so we did them. And then we ended up. So now everybody has these stockings that are.

[23:04] SPEAKER C: Except for poor Sean. You have to make. Does John have Omaha clay?

[23:09] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Sean has one clay.

[23:10] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Every time someone comes into the family, they get one. Except clay. So we might have to get on that.

[23:15] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah.

[23:18] SPEAKER C: My. My last one was for Brian, so. Yeah, you'll have to make clays. I don't think I could sew another one. But it was fun even making those.

[23:30] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Because people think we're crazy when they see our Christmas stockings. Like, how do you fill those? No, we start the day with hardback books.

[23:38] SPEAKER C: We ended up with Lynn and Craig. When everybody else left, we said, no more other gifts. We'll just do the socks. Well, the socks were running $50 just to fill them. So the last few years before I moved, we didn't even do the socks.

[23:58] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I remember getting rolls of toilet paper in mine.

[24:00] SPEAKER C: I don't know who did that.

[24:01] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: For college.

[24:02] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: For college.

[24:04] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: When I was in college, I'd get rolls of toilet paper wrapped up. Well, and that's Fill it.

[24:08] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: That's like our Easter egg hunts. The mom and pop started putting money and, you know, we quit putting out the real eggs. And then we had. But we couldn't make the kids stop, you know, wanting to hunt for the eggs. I mean, we had 2 year olds out there hunting with 18 year olds.

[24:26] SPEAKER C: Because they were in college. Because they were still in college and needed gas money.

[24:29] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: We said, okay, once you get out of college and you're married, you no longer have a job or you have.

[24:33] SPEAKER C: A job as long as you' the.

[24:36] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Rule was when you got married because, I mean, like I was in. I. I took the slow route through college. So I was in college till like 29.

[24:44] SPEAKER C: And I remember they were all screaming 28.

[24:48] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Hunting for money.

[24:51] SPEAKER C: Yeah. Well, I think we still did it before Ashland, which was the last one.

[24:58] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Great grandkid.

[24:59] SPEAKER C: Yeah. Hunting for the Easter egg. Yeah.

[25:03] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Once you had a kid, you couldn't participate.

[25:05] SPEAKER C: And we saved all our grandma and grandpa, saved all our change all year long.

[25:10] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yep. And we roll them in tissue paper and put them in the egg so you can't shake it ahead of time and know how much.

[25:15] SPEAKER C: And there was always a special egg.

[25:17] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yep.

[25:19] SPEAKER C: That was another one of grandfather's Inventions.

[25:22] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And his waffles and his homemade ice cream. And our ice cream was cranked only, no electronic. And if you wanted to eat it, you had to crank it.

[25:34] SPEAKER C: Yeah. And they're still doing that.

[25:36] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah.

[25:37] SPEAKER C: Kyle. This summer, they made homemade ice cream. And his peanut brittle, he made every Christmas.

[25:43] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I tried to make peanut brittle when we first moved here because I got the cast iron skillets, and I tried to make it and send it, and I did, but I didn't do it after that, because here it doesn't get hard, it doesn't get brittle because it's too much humidity. So I couldn't ever get it to break the consistency.

[26:04] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Oh, and then there was Grandpa's fruitcakes.

[26:07] SPEAKER C: That he made that you helped him make.

[26:10] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I helped him make.

[26:10] SPEAKER C: And I hit one of those.

[26:13] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: It was in a garbage can. One of the outdoor garbage can.

[26:16] SPEAKER C: Or was it that big plastic water cooler that no.

[26:21] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: One of them was once done in a big outside garbage can. And it was lined with a trash can liner with a garbage bag. And I was up to my shoulder with my arm in it, stirring it.

[26:35] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And the whole time him yelling at you that you weren't stirring.

[26:38] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I wasn't stirring it. Right. Cause I was stirring it with my whole arm. And we sent it to everybody, and nobody. And I don't think anybody ate them.

[26:46] SPEAKER C: Everybody just kept saying, soaked, soak them with rum. And. Well, it's like the summer we went.

[26:52] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: The cheesecloth.

[26:53] SPEAKER C: Did we take the kids when we picked all the apricots and made apricots.

[26:56] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Oh, fruit leather.

[26:57] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Fruit leather.

[26:58] SPEAKER C: Fruit leather. It wasn't Shannon that was standing on the edge of the diving board and doing this song about fruit leather. Yes. Yeah. We made fruit leather. Like man ate apricots. Like man.

[27:19] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yeah. That was in Lamore.

[27:21] SPEAKER C: Yeah.

[27:22] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Everywhere we went.

[27:24] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Well, we always. That was one of the things, too, that when we first moved someplace, because we didn't know anybody. Like, when we moved to Mississippi, it was Christmas break, and so we didn't know anybody. And we always spent several weekends when we first moved, exploring the area, probably seeing things that the people that lived there never saw. So it kind of. Each move kind of brought us all close again. Close again. And then we all started, you know, as we got friends and stuff, we started going our own way. And then the next move, we'd, you know, travel and do all this stuff.

[28:02] SPEAKER C: I can't imagine there was Mary at that time, because like I told you on Toffler's book, you know, he said people during that period of time A lot of people had never left the States. And we took. During Easter, we remember we drove over to the fort in the Florida Panhandle and looked at Geronimo's cell. And Tina was always on one of her diets and she had cooked up liver and liver and it wasn't bad, but it gets a green. It got a green clove. It was cold with this. That's why she had green gold. That was what she ate for that picnic over at Toronto. Moselle, I mean. Oh, and that's the first time I'd ever. Because in California you got an azalea bush. It was a little round pot, you know, and then it never grew or did anything. And we went through Mobile, Alabama, in this park. It was six foot around bushes. Just brilliant colors all over. I just was stunned at how beautiful they were. And it's like we moved to Ohio and I was born and raised in California. Never seen a fall. And the first fall in Ohio with the colors and the pumpkins in people's yards and the apples. So each part of the country had its own wonderful thing they could give us. And the memories of being right on Lake Erie. And you kids. And we were laughing the other day when they talked about ice skating because Linda, Lake Erie. Cruz over because it's a shallower lake near the slips and things.

[29:55] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: We lived in a boat house right next to the yacht club. So we had a slip that came up on the side of the house.

[30:01] SPEAKER C: And so the kids decided they were going to have this ice skating party.

[30:06] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Go ahead, keep going, Grandma.

[30:08] SPEAKER C: And all the kids in high school and everything were all there. And they told him, now if you hear a lot of cracking, that means the ice is breaking out. So Candy and Linda were out there and they heard the cracking and they threw their self on the ice because they thought the ice was cracking. It was just the normal, normal cracking of ice on the water. So everywhere as we've lived, there's been a different funny part of living there. Like we said, the kids in the summer. And then after they all grew up, Candy and Linda would come for the summer with the grandkids. You would be there.

[30:52] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And so Circe traveled a lot with Grandma and Grandpa when she was younger because she was the oldest grandchild. And so there were a number of years where she got to travel a lot with her.

[31:06] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I remember going to San Diego and Grandpa.

[31:10] SPEAKER C: Another one of his brilliant ideas. He went out and bought a tape recorder so that Circe could talk about her experience at the Wild Animal Park. So she could share it with her mother. She wouldn't say a word.

[31:29] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: All I heard on the tape was.

[31:31] SPEAKER C: Grandpa trying to get her to talk the whole day. Talking, riding around, wild animal. What do you think, Circe? Yeah. You were about five, I think. And then the trip we took you before, then we took you down to Disney World with Murray, and I remember.

[31:57] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Riding Space Mountain with Uncle Murray and spent most of the time with my head in his lap because I was scared, you know? So I was really young and had traveled all over the place because I followed you. And, you know, when we moved. When mom and dad got divorced, we moved in with you. And then I followed you over to Utah to go to college and, like you said, live with you.

[32:24] SPEAKER C: And then I came over and that made you mad. Well, you know, you wanted to grow and leave your mother. You didn't want her following you.

[32:35] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: But then we all stayed there anyway. And then I moved to Florida.

[32:39] SPEAKER C: Well, you moved into this rorty house.

[32:41] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yeah.

[32:43] SPEAKER C: Had your fun and games there. Yeah.

[32:46] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And so now. And so then I moved. I met a boy and moved to Florida. To Jacksonville, Florida.

[32:54] SPEAKER C: Well, first, tell them what you said when we had.

[32:58] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Okay, fine. So in May of that year, we had come down to Destin, Florida, where Shannon, my cousin, was getting married. And we're driving around and Charles is showing us, and I'm like, well, it's beautiful. But I never am gonna live in this house.

[33:14] SPEAKER C: How could anybody live in this house?

[33:15] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I can't live down here. There's no way. I couldn't live in the south with the heat and all that crap. Yeah. So a year later, I was here because I had met a boy and followed him across the country. And, you know, I remember a lot of people like, oh, my gosh. How can you do that? How can you go? And what if it doesn't work out? I'm like, yeah. So I moved back, you know, because we've been everywhere.

[33:42] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Why, you know, how can you let her go? I said, she's an adult.

[33:46] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I was 30 by then.

[33:48] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yeah, she was 30. So, you know, what can you say?

[33:51] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: But because we had been so many places and moved around so much, you know, it didn't bother me.

[33:58] SPEAKER C: It's an adjustment.

[33:59] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Yeah.

[34:00] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: And now we've followed her here. She's got. Yeah.

[34:03] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: So how did you get here, Mom?

[34:05] SPEAKER C: Well, I think I got dumped on you. You were going to come out for the visit to see the last of Cedar City, where you'd gone to college and everything. And they said, oh, great. You can Take mom back with you.

[34:19] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: So now Circe and Sean have mom and grandma living with them. But it's worked out beautifully. And they're special people, the two of them.

[34:29] SPEAKER C: Yeah.

[34:30] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Well, for me, it's about being able to give back. Being able to give back to you, too, for everything you did for me. So, you know, we have enough space in the house. I have an amazing husband.

[34:46] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yes.

[34:47] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: And I often think that I married my own grandpa, you know, because he takes Savannah on adventures. When he moved me out here, he flew to Utah and drove us back. We turned. I don't even remember. It was a big crater. We turned off the road to go look at a big meteor crater in the side of the road. So it was just like a gr. An adventure with Grandpa.

[35:10] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Many trips with Sean that we're going feels just like a grandpa adventure.

[35:14] SPEAKER C: Oh, when you. Yeah.

[35:16] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: You know, when we went up to Chattanooga, he was behind us in a car with Savannah and Katie, and they ended up going to this really weird Civil War hospital turn off in northern Georgia. And it's just like, you know, being with grandpa, going fun places. And he's stubborn, too, just like Grandpa. And. But, you know, it's so special for me to have you guys with us. Like I said, it was great to be able to take mom to England this two years ago.

[35:56] SPEAKER C: That had been a dream of hers ever since. And we even one time told her that if she would start.

[36:03] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Okay, go ahead, Garmin, keep going.

[36:05] SPEAKER C: If you had started a fund that we would all, for her birthday or something like that, add to the fund so that she could go with the Shakespearean Festival when they made the trips to England. But the fun. Never.

[36:20] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Fun never happened.

[36:21] SPEAKER C: Never happened. But that was another phase of our life we all enjoyed together, the three of us, the other people in the family enjoyed that we could give them the tickets we did want. But working at the Shakespearean Festival and the pride we took in it because of what Cedar City had to offer, the things they had to offer us, the festival that won the Tony Award for regional theater and the national parks we could go to. And remember when we'd go down to Zion and go all on all the bus rides and see all the sights up in Brian Head where you chose to get married.

[37:10] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: Yes.

[37:11] SPEAKER C: So Cedar City did have a spacial place in your heart, too.

[37:17] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Absolutely. If there's a physical place that was home for me, it's Cedar City.

[37:22] SPEAKER C: And I asked Janet, why. What particular thing was there about Cedar City? That was it because it was your young adult years or probably.

[37:34] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: I mean, it was one of the places I spent the most time because, I mean, I was there 20 years almost and, you know, it was my most growing up time in one place because we moved so much. I mean, we spent our family, spent a lot of time in L'Amour. But, you know, Cedar is where I became the person I am today, you know, because when I left California and came over to Cedar City, I had a boyfriend. We'd been dating for like five years. And, you know, when I moved to Cedar and I was really on my own, I mean, I was living with you and Grandpa, but, you know, I kind of came and went and I went to a school where I knew nobody and had to kind of explore and figure out what I wanted to do and stuff and discover the sorority. That's where I became me, you know, so that's why, you know, that's home.

[38:29] SPEAKER C: Yeah.

[38:31] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: That every place has been special in some way.

[38:34] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Oh, yeah.

[38:34] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: To our family. But mostly it's our family and the stories. And we don't get together without laughing.

[38:41] SPEAKER C: Like this and remembering things, you know, and like Janet was talking about the kids and all living together when we lived in Palo Alto and we had Lenny and Tina and Murray and. Well, I don't think. No, Murray wasn't there, was Lenny and Tina and Pammy Pam and Candy and you. And we tell the story of when Lenny got his first cheap wine drunk and the friends brought him home and they went around into another yard to peek over the fence to make sure Lenny got in the house all right without us finding out that he had indulged in wine. And the kids kept running in the bedroom saying, there's a peeping Tom. There's a peeping Tom out there. And so Tommy went down. He didn't own a gun in his life. He went down, where is that sob? Where's my gun? I'll get him.

[39:45] JANET CHAMBERLAIN: The kids said they'd never.

[39:46] SPEAKER C: And the poor two boys, they leaped over a six foot fence to get out of there. And they had just gone to the wrong windows. And out of Lindy's window, they had gone to the girls window. And then we tell the story of when the cat and the rat had loved each other. They'd pick noses together and, you know, just fine. And then one night, the cat decided to take a swat at the white rat, which was Linda's pet.

[40:17] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Talk it to me.

[40:18] SPEAKER C: And everybody was crying. Linda was crying and the girls were yelling. The cat got sock and mother came running out. She was staying with us. Then for a little while and who got shot.

[40:32] SHANNON ROSEBERRY: Well, I love. I'm glad we got to share this. Time to tell stories and keep them forever. And I'm so glad you're both with me.

[40:40] SPEAKER C: Yeah.