Angelina Londono and Caleb Perez

[00:00] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: No, they're not gonna care.

[00:03] CALEB PU00E9REZ: They are. They're gonna hear this one. Conversational. Hi, my name is Angelina Isic Londono, and my age is 36 years old. Today's March 3, 2019. We're in Birmingham, Alabama, and I'm here with my partner in crime.

[00:21] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: My name is Caleb Pérez I'm 33 years old. Today is March 3rd, and we're here in Birmingham, Alabama, with Angelina, my partner in crime.

[00:33] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Okay, so I guess we're going to start asking some questions. Do you have some. You have some stuff written down there?

[00:40] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I do, actually.

[00:42] CALEB PU00E9REZ: There's quite a bit going on over there.

[00:45] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: There's a lot of questions here, but it's not that important. Anyways, I wanted to start off with. Tell me a little bit about yourself. Where are you from and what do you do?

[00:54] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Okay. About myself. So I am. I would call myself a scientist. I've been a scientist since I was very young. Always very curious about nature and why things happen and if we can influence them in any way and what we can learn from them. I'm currently here at the University of Alabama in Birmingham, where working with the gyne oncology group, specifically with cancer genetics, ovarian cancer and endometrial cancer. What else was it? Just about myself.

[01:33] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: That's it. About yourself.

[01:34] CALEB PU00E9REZ: That's it. I guess I identify with work a lot.

[01:37] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: You do? Why did you choose the line of work?

[01:47] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Like I said, I mean, a lot of it stems from just being curious and having a job that allows me to be constantly in that state of why things are happening and what can we do about it, and designing experiments, formulating hypotheses that can help answer those questions, I think when I go back and think about, like, the one instance that in my life that helped solidify that cancer genetics was going to be like. The next thing for me is when one of my best friends, her mother, was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. And it was very shocking at that point. None of us knew too much about pancreatic cancer. We quickly learned how deadly it was. And then within six months, she died. So it was. It was just. We were all shell shocked, honestly. Somebody who had all the resources, someone who was very healthy. It just didn't seem fair. And then once I kind of, you know, all of that settled down, I was like, I want to do something about this. And pancreatic cancer is still my driving force. And since then, I've met a lot of people through different organizations and actually other close family members that we've lost to pancreatic cancer. So we're gonna get.

[03:12] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: You actually helped me with that one.

[03:15] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah. I'll ask you a question. Go ahead, tell me about yourself.

[03:24] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Well, I am originally from Puerto Rico, born and raised. Always wanted to be an engineer. While I was in college, I decided that that probably was not the way I wanted to go, but I did always like math and computers and everything else, so I ended up studying computer science. Graduated from college, spent a few more years back home. Met a crazy guy at a job fair. He was literally very crazy. He was from Spain, Small company that was starting to try to drive, some presence in the United States. And they were looking, obviously for bilingual people, which was one of the drivers for why they went back home. I actually connected with a guy in a really interesting way, and he was at the time, the director of the office here in Birmingham, Alabama. And he asked me, where did I want to go? And I said, you take me with you. He told me that I was going to the south with him to Alabama. And I was like, what is that? I did not know what to expect. I had heard horrible stories about the place. But, hey, I decided if I'm gonna take the plunge, might as well just do it. So I got here in 2011 in October. So that's almost eight years. Yeah, it's been a long time. And then I started working for this company. We do IT consulting. Right now we're doing finance. And since then, I've been involved in as many things as I can, especially with my company. I'm super grateful. They gave me a great opportunity, and I've always decided that I was going to make the most out of it. Hopefully one day I might return. But like I say, when I retire to live in a. In front of the beach, I'm sleeping in a hammock every single day.

[05:19] CALEB PU00E9REZ: That sounds wonderful. Hopefully before you retire, that could happen sooner.

[05:25] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Maybe. Maybe. I plan to retire in the next three years. You never know.

[05:31] CALEB PU00E9REZ: So what was one of the things that surprised you the most about Birmingham, now that you've been here for eight years?

[05:37] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: The amount of people from all over the world that I've met here, I was not expecting that. I was expecting a city of purely Americans. And when I got here, the amount of people from all over, I mean, the Indian community here is humongous. There's a lot of Asian people from different countries, Asia, the presence of a lot of South American people. Actually, I've met a lot of Colombians, people from Ecuador, Chile, Venezuela, Panama. Honestly, it's like a little New York not as big, not as many people from other places. But I was definitely not expecting it to be that way. And it was very refreshing, actually. I enjoyed it.

[06:27] CALEB PU00E9REZ: That kind of makes me think of when I went to Madison, Wisconsin for undergraduate. I was part of a scholarship program called Posse. And the whole goal of the scholarship was to take inner city kids and kind of put them in these predominantly white institutions. And we would go in as a posse, so as a group of 10 individuals. And so we would get to campus and you know, it's like there weren't that many people that were similar to us, especially even if we look similar, because it wasn't just white. I mean, it wasn't. The scholarship wasn't focused just on minorities. You could be white. It was more inner city and kind of that mentality bringing them to this Madison, Wisconsin, which is, I mean, it's not that rural, but it's a little rural.

[07:18] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: It sounds that way.

[07:19] CALEB PU00E9REZ: It sounds a little bit. Anyway, we get to campus and there are very few minorities. But because there were so few of us, we connected and you know, it's like immediately we would have just such a strong friendship just because, you know that there's maybe this person has a little bit more understanding of what my experience is like. And we would be the presidents of an organization, like I was the president for the Latino organization, but there weren't that many people who could be part of it. So we would have all these fusion events with the Indian organization. And so we would have like a bangara for blindness, but then have like a salsa DJ playing because we knew the salsa dj. And then it was, I don't know, it was just kind of interesting how like when you end up in these smaller communities where there are not that many minorities, you end up almost solidifying that bond stronger than if you were in a place like New York where it's easy to find someone that looks like you.

[08:19] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So I know you're originally from Chicago, raised in Chicago. How did you feel about coming down to Birmingham?

[08:30] CALEB PU00E9REZ: It's funny, I feel like Alabama should pay me for how much I brag about Birmingham. I should be on their payroll. But I usually start off with saying, because I am a little bit defensive. I think most people tend to think of the south as a place where there's a lot of racism or a lot of, I don't know, just kind of close minded individuals. And that's not necessarily what I have found. I also consider this place a very beautiful space. So the fact that it's just a very Comfortable and like a relatively easy life, I would say kind of creates that space for, I don't know, just a lot of like kind people, a lot of pleasant people to be around. And then once you kind of break that and start talking to people, everybody's going to talk to you about the most random things. And I love that. Like I love coming down here and. Or being living here and like talking to people in the elevator or the cash registers. And I feel like you have an opportunity to connect with them that you don't have in other places. So I really like that about the south or Birmingham in particular. How about yourself? What? I guess I asked you about Birmingham, but if you could live anywhere else at this point, where would you think you might want to go?

[10:08] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Anywhere else? That's an interesting question. I actually do enjoy Chicago a lot, but I do not do winters. So if I could, probably somewhere in California because the weather is nice. I really hate cold weather. But city wise, the places that I've been here in the United States, I think Chicago is probably my favorite because there's a lot of stuff to do that I like just sitting down in the park, listening to the orchestra or just walking around the buildings. And I think it's a great city that's got lots to offer, but it's just too cold for me. So it's a great place for summer. That's about it.

[10:52] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yes. Late spring, early summer are absolutely.

[10:55] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: On the other hand, California is super nice. I've been in a couple of cities like Modesto, San Francisco, Los Angeles and such. It's a little bit too expensive for my taste, but I mean, weather is nice. There's a lot of cool people around. You also get a little bit of that flavor. I like places that are mixed, so you get that little bit of the Latino flavor. You get people from all over the.

[11:20] CALEB PU00E9REZ: States and a lot of Asian influences.

[11:22] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: A lot of Asian people. Good food, good bars too.

[11:28] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Good Barsaki.

[11:32] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Now tell me. I want you to share a childhood story.

[11:36] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh goodness. A childhood story. Let me think of one.

[11:41] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: And if it's embarrassing, the better.

[11:43] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh no. Like it's funny, like when you ask somebody, remember something about your childhood. I didn't have one. I don't know.

[11:53] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: And that typically means that they've got many, many interests to share.

[12:02] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I don't know. I can tell you like my first memory. We'll start there.

[12:08] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Let's start there.

[12:10] CALEB PU00E9REZ: My first memory, actually we had just moved to the United States from Honduras and we lived in Los Angeles. And I remember I Think I must have been about three years old and we were out in the water and I remember just seeing like the tide go recede and then all these little pools of water kept, you know, just kind of forming as a tide receded. And I just kept walking towards the water, like, I'm gonna go catch this water. And like as a little kid, it's like, this is. Where is it? Where is it going? Why is it running for me? What, what's going on? And I remember like just. And I'm like I was completely alone. I don't know. I'm sure my parents were probably like three steps behind me. But I just remember like looking out into the ocean and wanting to go catch this water. Like so perplexed how so much water could suddenly like disappear and. Yeah, and it's kind of interesting because it's not a memory that doesn't involve any of my parents. It doesn't involve friends or toys. It's just water.

[13:18] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: And your curiosity.

[13:19] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah, my curiosity and exploration. And since then I've been pretty obsessed with the oceans or bodies of water, like Lake Michigan. I think I can spend hours just looking out, trying to figure out what's out there. Yeah. Do you have a childhood memory you want to share?

[13:41] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I don't know. One of the first memories I've got is I'll edit the good parts out of it. No, but really, I had my little car. It looked like a rocket ship. So I would always be walking with my little shoes, my Pamper under my arms because for some reason I could never actually wear my pander. I had to have it under my arms. And I would be in my little car just walking all the way from my parents apartment to all the neighbors apartments and just going by, knocking on every door and then acting like there was something wrong with my car and then having somebody turn it for me so that I could fix it. I wanted to be a mechanic. And then our next door neighbor, she always had this really mean cat. But that cat was super nice with me at all times. So he liked playing with my little shoes. And she had a little piano. So I would park my little car right next to her piano. I would sit there and just start banging on it. And the cat would just start playing with my little shoes for hours until my mom would bang me and she would start calling me. Come out. I would hop in my car again and then tell her that, you know, I had issues with my car. It broke down halfway through and I wish I could speak. I was too little for that. But I would just show her the little car and just go like, you know. Yeah. It was very interesting. I actually like the fact that my parents did allow me to kind of like roam as much as I wanted. Granted, it was like an apartment complex, so there was many places where I could go other than hopping into somebody's house and stealing all that candy. I ate at 8 and still eat a lot of candy. But, I mean, it was fun. Those experiences are actually those. I just go back, remember those, and it's just like I always feel a little tender emotions.

[15:37] CALEB PU00E9REZ: It makes sense now why you enjoy driving your current car. Just kind of zipping around Birmingham. And I can see things haven't changed.

[15:48] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: No, I haven't changed that much, actually. Probably another haircut. A little bit taller, a little bit. That's about it. I don't carry any Pampers anymore.

[15:57] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Good. That's.

[15:58] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Yeah.

[15:59] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Okay. I'm glad.

[16:04] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So what else?

[16:06] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I don't know. You have a lot written down on that paper.

[16:08] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I do. I have like 500 questions here. I don't know how to ask them at all. Some of them seem a little more important than others, but I just wanted to, like, go with the flow. I did want to ask you about being a Latino woman in the world of science. And how does that feel?

[16:30] CALEB PU00E9REZ: That's a good question. Typically, it doesn't feel too isolating. I feel like I have a pretty good network of people who, I guess, value my intellectual abilities. And I feel like they understand that my contribution as a bilingual individual or a person that shares a different culture. But every so often I run into people who just don't like, I guess, diversity, I would say, who want to be. Everybody has to be a very similar. I don't know, just I guess, the prototype of what a scientist is. Maybe a white male or a white female or I guess that would be what. Maybe what I'm feeling from them. And that's a little disheartening because it takes. It kind of like feels that you don't. People don't value you for your abilities and you're kind of having to just, I don't know, work harder or constantly justify, like, your presence. I think that that's. That's unfortunate that that still happens. But I do have to say that there are definitely a lot of people out there who are supporters and welcome diversity. So, yeah, it's a little bit of a challenge, but for the most part, I enjoy being different, so it works out. Oh. But I can say that when I have the opportunities to Interact with either patients or the Latino community in any way, and they see that there's, like, a Latina scientist or Latina doctor. They're so. You can see, like, in their eyes, like, there's so much hope. So a lot of that, like, always feels good when you can be a role model for your community.

[18:38] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So you feel like you're a role model?

[18:40] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yes, sometimes. Like it or not. And that's. It's a lot of pressure sometimes, because when you want to give up, you're like, I can't give up. At least people are counting on me.

[18:52] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: And do you have somebody who has that special role model for you?

[18:56] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh, there's so many.

[19:03] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: You better say your mom.

[19:04] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I know. That's what I was gonna say. I was gonna start with my mother, but because, I mean, my mom couldn't be here for a long time. My mom. No, my mom is absolutely. She's a wonder woman. She's been through so much, and just. It's. She came to the United States with nothing and has, you know, built an empire. Like, literally. We play Monopoly with our houses. We buy so many damn places. Anyway, she is. She's the force to be reckoned with. And it's. Yeah, I mean, she's an incredible role model, but she's also incredible supporter. And I've never felt like I had to. I don't know. It's just, like, I can always grow and be better, but I'm not never enough, you know? Like, always, like, she's always so proud of me, and always, like. I think when I was little, she would say things like, today, all you have to do is just sit there and enjoy life. I'm, like, probably 4 years old. I'm like, what. What does that mean, to just sit there and enjoy life? And I'm like, okay, so I'm just gonna sit here and look pretty for a couple hours for fun or eat candy and. Yeah. But I don't know, like, it's. I don't know why that stuck with me, but it just sort of. It felt good to not have to have so much pressure, because I think I put a lot of pressure on myself to be whatever it is that I'm trying to be at the moment, but it's. And I think she probably saw that. That it's like, just take a breath, enjoy, relax, relax.

[20:36] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: A lot of people tell you to relax.

[20:38] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah. Yeah. No, but, yeah, so she's one of my biggest role models and will continue to always be, I guess, when it comes to, like, education, actually, my third grade teacher, Ms. Legal. She was somebody when I. So I left the United States for a year to do second grade in Columbia. And then I came back in third grade and it was a very difficult time. I felt like I struggled a lot trying to relearn English, even though it only had been a year since I was out of the English speaking school system. I struggled a lot with reading and just mostly English related things. But my math and science was almost at a fifth grade level because most other places in the world have more advanced math and sciences. So it was a very strange space to be in where like, you know so much more than other kids but your ability to communicate was limited. And she could see like the struggle and she just like took me under her wing and she's like, no, you're smart, you can do this. We're gonna like. She would like pull me out of class and like practice reading with me and just. I feel like I'm getting. But yeah, she was. She was someone very special to me.

[22:08] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Have you ever looked her up as an adult?

[22:10] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh, yeah, no. We're friends on Facebook. Her daughter, Gina, she's like my little sister. She's married now, so.

[22:20] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Cool.

[22:20] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah. I mean, I have to say I probably should reach out more because I don't think she realizes how important those little moments were. Yeah.

[22:35] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: What do you want to know?

[22:36] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I know, like, let's see. Tell me something that you're proud of.

[22:47] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: No, it could be something that I'm proud of. I do not know. I'm proud of being an uncle, I guess. Yeah. For me, I've lived a really weird family situation. The youngest of all my siblings, my sister, who is one before me, is 80 years older than me. So I was basically alone with my parents since I was 9. So I never had that really big concept of a close family and everything else. But lately most of my siblings have started like giving birth and having little kids and stuff like that. And I just love being an uncle and the fact that the kids just always want to be around me and I can be like a little bit of a parenting figure for them and help them out and we share a lot of likes and stuff like that. They call me every once in a while whenever they have issues or the eldest ones will text me and things like that. And it really makes my day and just like being there and being like. Cause it's odd. My family has been apart for most of their time. Together. Well, together apart, whatever. So basically I'm the one person that is always in good Terms with all my siblings and my parents. The peacemaker or the peacemaker of the family. So every time we kind of like try to meet up and everything else, I try to organize all of those things. And then seeing everybody having fun and becoming like that unity that I always thought a family should be, it's like what makes me proud and makes me super happy. Just seeing everybody have fun and enjoying each other and. And creating connections within your own family, which sometimes I think we take for granted. Yeah, maybe I appreciate that a little bit more because in the Latino way of life, families tend to stick together a whole lot more than in the United States from what I've seen.

[24:58] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[24:58] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Which is why my family's a little bit weird from where we are from. Yeah. But then having those little bits, those little moments and things like that, like the past Christmas where everybody was just together under one roof for a whole week, which is like unprecedented and no single fights. Yes, we did it right. It was actually super good. And then the fact that I had the opportunity to organize it and do it and everything else, it's great.

[25:31] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Do you have any future plans to do another family reunion?

[25:36] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Maybe. Maybe we'll have to see because the schedules are so crazy. But hopefully if not by Christmas, probably by the Tres Reyes Margos, we can actually do something. People should learn how to celebrate that holiday because it's amazing. It's another time to get more gifts.

[25:54] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[25:55] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I don't know why people don't celebrate it everywhere in the world, but that's.

[25:59] CALEB PU00E9REZ: When you get your special gift. That's when you get the one that you've been asking for all year long. So. Okay, let's see.

[26:15] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Oh, so many things here to ask. Let's see if we find something here real quick. I asked you about this. I got a really weird question, but I actually like it. How would you like to be remembered?

[26:34] CALEB PU00E9REZ: How would I like to be remembered?

[26:36] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Mm.

[26:38] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Hmm. Let's see. I think, I guess going back to working hard, I think for me it's important to be remembered as someone who worked very hard and was very passionate about whatever it is that I'm focused on. If it's work or family or. You know, at one point I had a small business, a liquor store that was all very. I give myself to these opportunities and I. And I think being very passionate is something that for some reason I think it honestly comes easy to me. But it's over all consuming at times. Obviously, I guess that's the definition of being passionate. I think being like just a giving Person, a kind person. I feel like I have such an amazing network of friends, and I really enjoy spending time with them. Although we're all spread apart, I feel like when we do have a chance to catch up after maybe many years apart, I don't know, it's just. There's such sweet moments that I kind of. I don't know. I don't know if many people have that ability to kind of. To be able to be apart for years and then come together and make it feel like it's. Yeah. I just saw you yesterday, so I don't know. I think that's kind of cool. Remembered. I don't. Can't think of anything else. I'm sure there's other things. Maybe a really good dancer. I enjoy dancing.

[28:36] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: She really is a good dancer. That's for sure.

[28:38] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I enjoy it. Or at least, like. I just enjoy movement in general. So running, capoeira, all those things. I think for me, movement is so important. So I think being remembered as someone who's active and just kind of buzzing around, I like that. I like that image of my. If you could describe yourself as an animal, which animal would you think you would describe yourself as?

[29:14] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: A sloth.

[29:15] CALEB PU00E9REZ: No, I'm kidding.

[29:18] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: An animal. I don't know. I mean, the sloth part I would actually like. I'm a couch potato, and I love to move super slow. I think I'd be more like a cat.

[29:28] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[29:29] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Yeah. I'm curious in nature. I like learning new things. I like taking apart things.

[29:34] CALEB PU00E9REZ: You're also very soft.

[29:35] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Observe people. I have soft hair. It seems when you pet me, I fall asleep. I guess, too.

[29:44] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Very true.

[29:47] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: You actually take advantage of that way too much.

[29:50] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yes, it's true.

[29:54] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: No, I think. I think cat. What kind of cat? I don't know. Not so much of, like, a house cat. But I like learning new stuff. I like observing and being quiet, like a ninja.

[30:08] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Ninja. Just very stealth. Just kind of curiously watching. I see. I see. I can see why you would want that or identify with that.

[30:26] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So I hear you actually have a good tradition going on with your group of friends on Monday.

[30:33] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh. Oh, goodness.

[30:35] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: We have to talk about those.

[30:36] CALEB PU00E9REZ: I do have to tell you about this amazing chef. Yes. So Mondays we have basically Thanksgiving every week with our friends. One of our friends from Birmingham who. I mean, I just keep saying how wonderful of a cookie is because it's true. The first dinner we had was homemade lasagna with this amazing sauce and a million different cheeses. And I'm like, who are you? And then since then, it's been. And it's a very worldly cuisine. It could be lettuce wraps, it could be mentejas, it could be forgot. What was the other one we've had? Of course, it was so good. It was delicious. So, yeah, obviously the food is delicious, but it's the community. Everyone who comes in. And I guess if I can describe it a little bit, you know, we all get in different times. Around 7, 7:30, you get in, roll up your sleeves, finish cooking whatever needs to be cooked. And then some friends are outside, maybe some are inside. And then once the food starts, it's ready to eat. We all come together in the kitchen and eat from plate standing up or wherever little corner of a counter you can get at. And then we all go into coma because we've all eaten too much. And then we listen to YouTube videos. And lately we've been picking a lot of very old reggaeton or old rock or old whatever. But it's like, yeah, we just listen to music and remember some of our favorite songs and maybe dance, maybe not.

[32:20] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: We go all crazy instead of laughing at each other.

[32:22] CALEB PU00E9REZ: And laugh at each other. Yes. Enjoy each other's company.

[32:26] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: On a Monday.

[32:27] CALEB PU00E9REZ: On a Monday.

[32:27] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Which is a good way to start a week.

[32:30] CALEB PU00E9REZ: It is definitely Thanksgiving and more and better. It's about 10 to 13 people who come together. And it doesn't actually even feel like that many because we all have, like, different ways we interact with each other. So at any moment, you may be talking to two or three people. And then sometimes we all get together and we all talk above each other and yelling. So it's. I like how loud it gets. It's fun, I guess.

[32:56] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: That's it.

[32:57] CALEB PU00E9REZ: That's it. I have one question.

[32:59] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Okay, go ahead.

[33:00] CALEB PU00E9REZ: We have a couple of minutes, but I was curious to know, Angela, Angelina, what did you think of when you first, like, met him? Oh, goodness.

[33:16] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: That'S. Oh, you don't know how loaded the question is.

[33:19] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Oh, my goodness. Okay, here we go. Legacy. The Legacy Library of Congress. Here we go now. I remember when I first saw Caleb, I remember thinking, you exist. The guy of my dreams. There you are. Somebody who is incredibly talented and beautiful and kind and just amazing. Smile. And I remember thinking, okay, this is. You're real. You're not. Just part of my little dream world.

[33:54] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: A little curiosity is kind of like, they go both ways to some extent. I was like, I'm sitting there with my friends. We were having dinner, or about to have dinner at the untapped. Was it. That's the name of the place. It's close, but it was here down in Lakeview. And I was like, wow. I mean, what presence you people cannot see. My friend here, Angelina, but she's very small, but she's huge. She goes into a room and lights up the whole place. And everybody knows that she's there. Oh, yeah, she does. And she was wearing this cute little dress.

[34:30] CALEB PU00E9REZ: What was I wearing? I don't remember.

[34:35] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I'll keep that to myself. But then again, life was in different places at the time.

[34:41] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[34:42] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So she was graduating, about to get married.

[34:45] CALEB PU00E9REZ: No, I wasn't married.

[34:46] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I was married at the time. So we just. Not an interesting. Avoided each other, lovely relationship in which we avoided each other. But, yeah, then we kind of met again. We kind of met again this past year.

[35:07] CALEB PU00E9REZ: My birthday, January 19, 2019. Magical day.

[35:12] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: It was a very interesting day. We went out with friends, we had some dinner, then we went dancing.

[35:21] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Apparently I do have some moves.

[35:23] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: She does. And that's it. Then. We've been exploring. We've been hanging out and hanging out together and seeing where this goes.

[35:32] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yep. Excited to see where it goes.

[35:35] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: Which was pretty funny when we actually started talking about it, that we had similar reactions from when we met. And we were doing the exact same thing. Just avoiding each other.

[35:43] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[35:44] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: I mean, life happens. Everything goes and happens in when it's supposed to.

[35:48] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yeah.

[35:50] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: So, again, a very loaded question since we have a lot of people in common.

[35:58] CALEB PU00E9REZ: We'll see. Yeah, I guess. Thank you so much for being my partner in crime. I know this is such a weird thing to ask somebody to do, to do a random interview, but I appreciated that you were willing to come in and try something different, something new.

[36:26] ANGELINA ISIC LONDONO: It's about experimenting and trying new things, right?

[36:30] CALEB PU00E9REZ: Yes. Thank you.