Nancy Moran’s life and immigration to the US

00:00 Hi, my name is Jenny Alfano. I'm 16 years old, and today is May 31, 2024. And I'm speaking with Nancy Moran and her daughter Jennifer, are to help translate. If Nancy needs any help, I'll also probably refer to Jennifer as Chikis because I'm also Jennifer. It just makes it less confusing. Okay. Um. Hi, Nancy.

00:33 Hi.

00:34 How are you doing today?

00:35 Good, thank you. And you?

00:36 I'm good. What about you, Chikis

00:38 I'm good.

00:39 Good to hear it. Good to hear it. So, Nancy, where are you from?

00:45 I'm from El Salvador.

00:47 Where in El Salvador?

00:48 Santana.

00:50 And can you tell me a little bit about growing up in El Salvador?

00:59 I have a good life. I have three sisters and one brother. And my daddy, he have a big family, and my whole family from my daddy is. They live close to my house, around my house. So I have so many cousins, so many uncles, and, you know, a big family. So I think I have a good. A good life.

01:24 That's good. Can you tell me, like, an important lesson or message that your family taught you?

01:37 I think so. I remember. Then tell me something. Always, you have to respect everybody and don't break anybody feelings. And I. I think so does Alden. Then I have a good memory for my family.

01:52 Yeah. Do you teach that to your kids? Cause you have three kids.

01:57 Yes, I'm sure I tell my kid. And you have to respect everybody, and because that's the most important, that you respect a lot of people, then, because everybody's. They have a different, you know, different opinions, so you have to respect everybody opinion the best way.

02:16 Mm hmm. Chikis do you respect everybody?

02:19 Yes.

02:20 Okay. It worked. Can you describe one of your happiest memories from growing up?

02:33 Oh, the best memory. Oh, when I have boyfriend. No, I'm kidding. I think so. I have a big, good memory when I have boyfriend, when I have new friends, you know, when I see my brothers, my brother or sister, I have very nice memories for my whole family.

02:58 That's so nice. I love that because you're very social. Thank you. You're very social. And so now we can start getting into why you wanted to come to the US. Because you were, like, 18, right, when you decided to come to the US.

03:21 Yes, I have 18.

03:23 Yeah.

03:24 I come to the US because I have already one boy, my son, my first son, and I. And I don't have money to support him, so that's when I come to this country, because I need my son. He have a different life than me. So that's when I come to here.

03:42 Yeah. And so what was it like making the decision to leave your son, to give him a better life?

03:58 Then I think I give it to my son different life because, you know, then when I'm, when I have 18, I know how it's a good happy life with my friends, with my cousins and my family. But, you know, the economy, that's different. So I know how choice. I know how, you know, money to go somewhere. So that's when I think when I come to this country and I still can have a good life because I sent money from my mom so to take care of him.

04:32 So it was all for him. It was because you loved him so much. Yeah. That you still love him so much. And now we can kind of get into what the actual journey was like from El Salvador to the US. So like walk me through how it started.

04:58 That's not a good way to come to here because come to illegal to hear to United States. So I have to pay one Mandev like the coyote to bring to United States. So it's hard to the way because I never forgot. And maybe in between Mexico to here, I almost pass away because it's too cold. When I come to here, it's in December 20. When I come here, it's December 20 and it's too freezing. So that's when I, that's when I, you know, almost my heart is stabbed. So the two friends is hoping to me to, you know, to back again because I'm cold. I'm very cold and I have only one sweater and that's really cold, freezing and, but thank God I'm here. So when I tried to pass to Mexico to United States, the migration she's taken me and put me in the jail for three days. And my sister she pay for get out. So that's when I'm here. But I think, so I have a good life. Better than here in this country.

06:12 Yeah.

06:12 Yes.

06:13 And for anybody who doesn't know, can you explain what a coyote is or what they do?

06:20 The coyote is the guide to, you know, to try to put more, you know, bring people from Mexico, El Salvador, any country to bring to United States. And you have to pay the money to bus to, you know, the, what is a frontera to the. Oh, my God. To the frontier. No, the border.

06:46 The border.

06:47 The border here. So you have to pay a lot of money to come to United States. But you know, that's, that's the way because that's illegal.

06:57 Yeah.

06:57 So when you come illegal, you have to pay the coyote that's called the coyote. That's the guy. To the help to hear.

07:04 Yeah. Thank you. And so you went from El Salvador to Mexico and then to the US?

07:12 Yes.

07:12 So how did you get from El Salvador to Mexico?

07:18 I think so when I come, I leave to El Salvador, like, December 8, and I come to United States, like, December 20, two. So that's like, I don't know how many days? Like 20 or something like that.

07:34 Yeah, about. Yeah.

07:36 Yeah.

07:37 So. So it took you 20 days. And, like, what was the mode of transportation? Like, were you driving or walking or what was it like? How were you getting there?

07:50 Sometimes it's the guy. He paid for the shi shu train. Oftentimes he paid for the bus. But the morning is walk. That's the more way.

08:02 How, like, many hours do you think you walked?

08:05 Like, one day and one day, maybe, like 12 hours.

08:09 Wow.

08:10 Yes.

08:10 Wow.

08:10 And I'm asleep on the floor, so that's hard to come to here. When you come to illegal, that's really hard.

08:18 And so, like, where would you sleep? Like, in.

08:23 In houses or where sometime houses sometime, like, you know, on the upside or in the street or something like that. Because, you know, sometimes the people from Mexico, they very nice and say, okay, they. Everybody's just sleeping here, you know, sleeping the floor. But that's. That's only, that's when I have very cold because December is terrible in Mexico and here in Mord because it's raining and it's freezing.

08:54 Mm hmm. And so how many people were you traveling with? Like, how many people were sleeping in, like, one house?

09:01 Like 40.

09:02 Wow. And small house.

09:05 Oh, yeah.

09:07 Yeah. Were you traveling with anybody? You, anybody you knew?

09:13 Yes, that's my. My cousin wife. She's come with me. But then other people. I don't know the other people. That's different people from Guatemala, Nicaragua. So from El Salvador, different people come to here.

09:27 Was there anybody who you became close with on the trip, or was it, like, you keep to yourself?

09:37 No, Jenny, I don't know the other people I know then only my cousin wife. That's only because, you know, there's a lot of people, different countries. So it's possible you're talking for everybody, but you don't have so many friends in there because, you know, you don't know the other people.

09:54 Mm hmm. Yeah. Did you. Did you not trust the other people?

09:59 No.

09:59 Yeah, that makes sense. They're strangers. Yeah. So, okay, so you mentioned how when you went. When you crossed the border from Mexico into the US, you got arrested.

10:16 Yes.

10:18 So can you tell me about that.

10:21 Would they go to the jail?

10:23 Mm hmm.

10:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I waited to cross to Mexico, to United States. So the immigration people come and he took it to me. So then they put me in the jail for three days. So my sister, she's already live in LA, so she paid the money for me for lawyer, for get out.

10:45 And that's Lorena. Thanks, Lorena. And so once you were here, you were, how old were you when you got here? Were you 1818? Okay, so you were 18, you had one son and I was, and your sister was in America. Lorena was in America here? Yeah. Yes, yes. So, okay, so you didn't know anybody but your sister here?

11:16 Yes, I have a big family in here.

11:18 You did? Okay.

11:19 My daddy, brother, my mom's sisters and another cousin.

11:25 So you had people here. You weren't completely alone once you got here?

11:30 No, no, I have, I have a lot of family.

11:33 Did you stay with them?

11:35 Yes, I stayed with my uncle, my daddy brother. Yes, I lived with him.

11:40 And how did you start working? Like, where did you go from there?

11:49 My first job, I'm working for the Argentina girl. And they're wearing, wearing, she may wearing dress.

11:56 Oh, yeah.

11:57 Yes, I'm working for her, I, for eight years.

12:01 Wow.

12:02 So, but she speaks Spanish, so I don't care about English because she speaks Spanish with me. So when, when I'm, when I'm not working with her, I try to another job and the people, these american people, so that's when I try to speak English. She showed me, so my English is not very well, but I try.

12:25 Your English is good. So she taught you how to speak English or did you know how to speak English?

12:30 No, she, she told me I have to speak English because she's not speaking Spanish. So that's impossible talking to her. But her husband, he's very sweet. He say, oh, my God, Nancy, come on, you can do it. You try. So, and she, and he showed me, you know, to speak English.

12:48 So they taught you how to speak English?

12:50 Yes.

12:50 And what job was that?

12:52 I take care of two boys. Yes.

12:55 Yeah.

12:55 For nine years.

12:56 So you learn English in nine years, you think?

12:59 A little bit, but I think so. My English is better with your family?

13:03 Yeah.

13:03 Yes.

13:05 I'm so glad. And so did you ever feel isolated here?

13:16 No, I don't think so. I never. I'm a good girl and I'm a strong girl.

13:20 Yeah, you are. And very social. You're social butterflies. Yeah. And so I know you also went to cosmetology school. So how did you get into that. What made you decide to do that?

13:43 Yeah, only stay, like, five months, I think. But I not try, you know? That's my wish. The cosmetologist. But I not try more because I have a lot of stress, because I have to work with your family. I have to take care of my little girl, Jennifer, and the school. So I think. So that's too much for me. So that's when I know.

14:08 Finished. Would you ever reconsider finishing it? No, no, no.

14:14 That's too much. I'm old already.

14:16 No, you're not. No, you're not, Nancy. Doesn't mean you can't do it. But. So, Nancy, you have three kids. Ernesto, Sammy and Jennifer, or Chikis Can you tell me about what it was like raising them?

14:40 I have. Ernesto. That's my first son. He's. He made me crazy because he's. He's not listening sometime. But he's a good guy. He have a good heart, so he's. He's crazy, I know, but he's a good guy, too. And. And my second son is Sammy. Sammy, he's different than Ernesto. But Sami, he's more quiet. Ernesto is more lonely. But Sammy, he's 29 now, so he's different. He's more lessen. He's different than Ernesto, but Ernesto, he's a good guy too. He's more quiet. Ernesto, he's more friendly, more crazy. But Sammy, he's very quiet.

15:30 Ernesto is more like you.

15:31 Yes. Ernesto, he's more like me. I think so. That's when it's different. But Sammy, he's very quiet. But he's a good son, too. Yeah. Very sweet. Is not talking too much, but he's. He's so nice.

15:45 Yeah.

15:46 And after that is Jennifer.

15:48 Yeah.

15:49 Jennifer is more quiet than everybody.

15:52 Yeah. Yeah.

15:53 She's more quiet. But she. A sweetheart. She's very listening. I think so. I have three children, but I think Sojen is the best, because she's always his. Follow their rules, everything. When I tell her something, never. She's never answered. Crazy. She's a good girl.

16:12 Oh, chickie, how do you feel about that?

16:15 Very special.

16:18 Okay, so you have this big family, and you have a good job. You live in a good place. But what are you proudest of?

16:34 I think so. I'm happy because I have a good life. I have a job, I have my family, I have my parents, my three princes. So I guess I have a good life. So I.

16:50 So proud.

16:52 Yes, I have a good life. Thank God I'm not sick. You know? That's the most important, then you're not sick and you have a job and you have your family, you have your friends. I think. So that's a good life. Yeah, I think I have a happy life. Yes.

17:10 Yeah, it sounds good. Do you ever regret leaving El Salvador?

17:18 No. I'm happy. I need this country. I miss my country, El Salvador. But, you know, I'm happy in here because I have more opportunities. I make my house in El Salvador, and I, you know, when I went to El Salvador, I have a beautiful house, so I think so I have a beautiful home in my country. And I'm 19, so, no, I never, you know, say, worry about why I come to this country, because I happen in this country, too. I have a good opportunity. That's the most important. And my family, they live. They have a very good life. Better when I come to here.

18:00 Mm hmm. It's all about your family.

18:02 Yes.

18:04 Why is your family so important to you? I know it sounds like an obvious question, but what is it about your family that's the most important?

18:14 Because when I'm little, I tease on my mom and my dad. The most important is the family. That's when I think, to me, my family is the most important, too. So. Because my mom and my dad always stay together. So that's when I think. Now the most important for me is my family, too.

18:39 When did your parents get married?

18:42 Oh, my God. 50 years ago.

18:46 Oh, my God.

18:47 Yes. That's their whole life.

18:48 Yeah.

18:49 Yes.

18:50 Yeah. And how long have you been married to Saul?

18:55 I stayed together for almost 18 years.

18:58 Wow.

18:59 But I'm married when Jennifer, she have five years old, so I have eleven years now.

19:07 Wow. No, I remember when you guys got married. So did you have any husband before that or anything?

19:18 Yes, I have. Yes.

19:19 Want to talk about that a little bit?

19:21 No, that's a nightmare. So it's better not say nothing about him.

19:26 Yeah, but that's Ernesto's father. Yeah.

19:31 Yes.

19:33 So has there been a time or like, a person or people that has ever made you feel like the most loved in your life?

19:43 I think so. Then I have more love in my life. My family, of course, but I think so then I. Then I'm very happy in my life. Then you, Jenny and Maddie and Chikis. They always say to love me and give me a hug and kisses. That's when I love my trick.

20:02 Love you so much.

20:03 Yeah.

20:05 So do you have any funny memories from me, Maddie and chikis growing up? Cause we kind of grew up together as, like, kind of like sister. We did. We did grow up together, but as like, kind of. As like sisters. We were kind of sisters. And I mean, I still call you Chikis my sister. And you're like my family, Nancy. But do you have any, like, funny stories from when we were little?

20:30 Yes, I have funny story about you, Jenny. One day I hold in my hands and you turn up. Turning up my face. Oh, my God.

20:40 When I threw up in your mouth.

20:42 Yes. I never forgot that. I never forgot. And Maddie, I'm so glad that this.

20:47 Is going to be public information now.

20:50 Yeah.

20:50 What did Maddie do? Let's hear about what Maddie did.

20:52 Maddie's too bad. And Chikis Then the two, when I try to clean her diaper, her pumper, they may poo in my hand. That's true. Chikis

21:10 For context, Chikis is staring at Nancy with, like, the meanest look I've ever seen. Oh, my God. Is there anything else you talked about? Like me. Me and Maddie, like, getting lost in the mall and stuff like that?

21:26 Oh, my God. They crazy.

21:29 Yeah.

21:30 Especially then. Jenny, you have your little doll birthday. Oh, my God. I never forgot. Always. You love your little doll. And I have to. And I have to coming back to the mall. And I need to ask to everybody, you see this little doll? You see bear this doll. And Jenny, you cry all the time about the doll. This made me like a nightmare. Me and my friend, I say, don't bring birdie to the mall, please. Because Jenny always. She loves the doll. The little birdie. Yeah. That's crazy.

22:01 And believe it or not, I still have Birdie I still have her. And so we would come to your house a lot of time, me and Maddie, and have sleepovers there with Chikis Do you have any memories from that? Because I have a lot. I mean, I remember, like, when we would sleep in your closet. Because you have a pretty big closet, so we'd sleep in there to be, like, near you. And I. I remember, like, in the morning when you made like, pancakes with that, like, special syrup. Yeah.

22:36 Yes. And Saul, he played hard and see with you. And you know Saul, he told me, okay, when Gretchen, she pay you, you have to pay me too. Because I take care of the girls, not you.

22:49 Yeah, I remember. Like, I remember all of that. I remember when you. So Nancy and me are both big dog lovers. And so you now, you have two dogs now, and they're like a part of the family. And I think how you take care of your dogs and your kids is like the same. You know? I think you, like, you treat them all equally. Where do you think, like, your love of animals started because I always think about that when I think of you. Because you take care of the stray cats in the neighborhood and you feed all the stray dogs in El Salvador when you go there. And, like, you're always taking care of my dogs and stuff. Like, where do you think your love of animals started?

23:38 I think so. I love animals because always I have dog when I little, my daddy always bring a little dog and I think, so that's the sweetheart. I teach all the animals that sweet. So that's impossible. You make anything to the animals because they very sweet. You know, the animal, they have a heart, they have feelings. That's when I think, so why the people, sometimes they make something crazy for the animals. The animals is lovely. So there's always a base. For me, that's the best animal. The dogs. The dogs. I love dogs more than anybody, you know? And kitties. I love kitties. So I. A lot of kitties, you know, close to my house. So they. No family. No house. So that's when I feed the kitties because I think, so they are sweet kitties.

24:33 Yeah. We just came back from Nancy's house, and there's always so many stray cats there. And we just ran into a bunch of kitties. And you were unlike, we got in the car and you were just like, you know, do you know anybody who wants any kitties? Cause you were like, every animal deserves a home and everything. And it shows to me, like, how generous and how kind you are. Where did that. Where do you think that, like, that generosity came from? Like, was it from your parents or any of your family?

25:06 For my parents, yeah. Yes. My dad. My dad always, you know, then. And my sister, you know, I have three sisters, but I teased. So the little one.

25:17 Which one?

25:18 Myra. That's her name? Yeah, I think so. Myra, she's very. She's different than Patricia and especially Lorena. She like dogs, but not like me, because me, I love dogs, and I give it kisses and hug, and my daddy always say, oh, my God, why you give it kisses? I say, dad, it's my dog. So I love. I love dogs. And I. When I went to my country and I saw, I gave it kisses. I don't care. Duty, I give you kisses.

25:46 Yeah, yeah, I agree. And so you talked before about how you have a house. So you have a house here, and you also have a house that you recently built in El Salvador. So how often do you visit El Salvador?

26:04 I went to my country, like, two times a year for two or three weeks. I went to vacation in my country because I love staying in my country. So I forgot everything about here. I forgot everything about how to pay bills. That's when I went to my country because I'm relaxed. I would vacation in my country.

26:25 Yeah. It's like every time you come back from El Salvador, you have like a glow or like when I notice you're a little down, you're like, I need to go to El Salvador.

26:34 Oh, yeah.

26:35 And so is that like your safe place? Like your paradise?

26:40 Yes. Now it's a very safe place. Before, not. But now the new president is. My country is very safe.

26:48 Yeah.

26:48 Yes.

26:51 Can you explain that a little bit? Like the political situation with the president before?

26:58 Yes. Because before the salon, gangsters. So they bothered to my country. They did some extortion to a lot of people for the, you know, for the stores or for the, you know. Then sometimes the people selling something upside and the gangsters always bothered another people. So now the new president, he put the whole gangsters and the prison. So my country is very safe now. So because it's no more people crazy in the street to bother another old people or the young people, whatever. So that's when I think now. Because before, when I went to my country, that's impossible. Go someplace because, you know, the gangster is bothered. So you have to be careful when you go to the ocean or when you go to the, you know, the stores. Because the gangsters bother to, you know, bother a lot. But now you go anywhere and no more gangsters. Nobody bother you. So I think. So that's my country is the best for now. So I'm very happy.

28:09 I'm happy for you too. Is that. Is that one of the reasons why you left El Salvador?

28:14 Yes.

28:14 Yeah.

28:15 Yeah.

28:15 Did you. So. So you left because you want to make a better life for Ernesto, your oldest son. And do you think also because, like you were. Because it wasn't safe, you know.

28:33 No.

28:34 No. So that's one of the reasons why you came to the United States was because it also wasn't safe.

28:41 Yes.

28:42 Yeah.

28:42 Because now it's very safe. Safe life. Yes. That's when I, you know, when I think about vacation, I think about my country because it's very safe now.

28:52 That's so beautiful.

28:53 I'm so happy.

28:55 I'm so happy that you're happy.

28:56 Thank you.

28:58 Is there. Is there anything that you've, like, never told me that you want to tell me now?

29:09 Then I put a God. Then I tell you then always if you need me. Always. I'm staying for you.

29:15 I love you. I'm here for you, too.

29:18 Always. Always.

29:19 Yeah. Always. I love you so much.

29:22 I love you too much.

29:22 You're so amazing. I feel like I'm going to tell you something. I feel like I don't. Maybe I don't tell you enough or maybe I never told you, but I think that you are so kind and you are so strong and you're so, like, fiercely loyal and so generous, and you're just one of the most incredible people I've ever met. And I feel like now still, that I've heard, you know, your full kind of story and learned so much more about you, and it's like how you came from and, like, the person you've become and the family you made. I just want to tell you I'm so proud of you.

30:01 Thank you.

30:02 Of course, Nancy.

30:03 Thank you so much.

30:04 Of course. So a little cry break. So has your life in the US been different from how you thought or expected it to be?

30:23 Yes, a little bit. Because I think in this country you have to work really hard because, and, you know, you have to work. And when you back home, you have to, you know, see your family, you sleep, the next day you have to work again. I think it's, you know, too much stress. It's good life, but I think it's very stress for this country because in my country it's different. Yeah, it's stress because you have to work, of course. But I think. So in here it's more different. I think here it's more stress.

30:58 Yeah. So it's faster.

30:59 Yes.

31:00 So you didn't expect it to be as stressful as it was. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so to take it back to me. To take it back to kind of like me and Chikis and Maddie is there. What do you hope for for us when we grow up and when we have our own kids? What do you. What do you hope for for us then?

31:26 I wish for you, Jenny and Mari and Chikis is when you, like, older.

31:35 Yeah.

31:36 You have a good life, you know, you have whatever. If you want to marry with grown men, I don't care. It's your life I have to respect. So the more important for me is you life happy. Then you stay happy and you life, that's the more important. I don't care, you know, then anything more. So the more important, I think. So is you happy? When you're happy, I'm happy, too.

32:04 When you're happy, I'm happy.

32:06 Thank you. So.

32:10 You talked about going to, like, cosmetology school and beauty school and how you wanted to do that. Are you happy in the job you have now? Are you happy working with my family?

32:25 Of course. Of course. I'm very happy to work with your family. Can you believe I almost 17 years work with your family? Because I'm happy. And I love your family.

32:35 I love you. We love you.

32:37 We love you doggies too.

32:38 Yeah. And I always feel like, I always feel weird, like when I say that you, you know, you work for us or you're. You're my nanny or like housekeeper, whatever, you know, you want to call it, because it's like you're so much more to me than that, you know, it's like. It's like doing a disservice to our relationship. Like you're. You help raise me, you know, you're like my. You're like my third mom. That's like what I call you. And, you know, your family is like my second family. I adore them so much. Like I love your parents. I love Chikis and Ernesto and Sammy so much, you know?

33:17 Thank you, Jennifer.

33:18 My family too. Yeah.

33:20 Yeah. I'm very happy to, you know, with your family because I'm very special with your family.

33:27 Yeah.

33:27 Yes.

33:28 Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad we make you feel special because you are so special.

33:32 Thank you so much.

33:33 You're so special, Taz.

33:34 Thank you.

33:35 We love you.

33:36 I love you too.

33:38 So you, as well as working, you know, with my immediate family, you also work with my grandma Shirley, who has late stage Alzheimer's. And, you know, you've worked with her for a while and you've kind of seen her her declined and can you tell me about that, like your relationship with her or if there's anything like you've learned from her or with her about yourself or other things.

34:09 I working for her because your grandma, she's full down and she have operation and her back. So that's when I work with her.

34:18 That's when you started.

34:19 Yes, when I'm start to work with her. But I have a good memories with her because I went to the mall, I went to Macy's, I went to Panda's press launch.

34:30 So before the Alzheimer's?

34:32 Before the Alzheimer's. And you know, she's a diva always. Like you.

34:38 No, like Maddie.

34:39 No, like you.

34:40 Oh, my God.

34:41 She's, you know, I remember her when she's not. She's not have Alzheimer's, so. But now it's hard to see your grandma then, you know, that's sick because she have Alzheimer's. But when I talking to her, and I told her I have a good memories with her, she's very excited. She said, are you sure you have a good memories with me? I say, yes, Shirley, I went to the mall with you, and you always diva. And she's laughing and, you know, it's hard, you know, it's hard to miss your grandma like that. But you know, that's the life. I know the life is not easy. You know, I never forgot, you know, the life that's not easy, because surely she showed me.

35:22 Yeah.

35:22 The life that's not easy.

35:24 Yeah.

35:24 Always, always. When I talking to her before she have Alzheimer's always. She told me, Nancy, that the life that's not easy. So now when I talking to her, I tell her and she say, yes, the life does not easy. She's ready repeat. But she's a very sweet.

35:40 It's worth it.

35:41 Yes, yes.

35:42 It's worth it.

35:43 Yeah. But, you know, sometimes she's remember a few things, but it's hard.

35:48 It's hard, yeah. And so is that like what she kind of taught you, you think, like, the life's not easy, but it's. But it's worth it.

35:58 Yes.

35:59 Yeah.

35:59 Yeah. And I love her.

36:03 Yeah.

36:03 I have a good memory.

36:05 Yeah. Like, life is beautiful even if you don't remember it.

36:09 Yes. You know, the most important sometimes is not.

36:14 Sorry. Airplane. Brief pause. We are filming outside, so there are some. I apologize for all the little unpredictable noises. It's just my family is very loud and there will be even more unpredictable noises in there.

36:28 Do you know the most important journey with the people they have Alzheimer's The people, they don't remember you, but you remember the people. So that's the most important. Yeah, because the people, maybe when you give you a hug or kisses, they don't remember who give it hug and kisses, but, you know, who's the people? So that's when. That's when I think you have a good memories. So that's when it's, you know, because your grandma's entire. When I give you hug and kiss, she asked me, are you love me? I say, yes. Unconsciously, I love you. I say, oh, you're so nice.

37:05 Oh, I love that we didn't cry.

37:08 That's hard.

37:09 Yeah. Yeah. She's a big heart.

37:11 She has a big heart.

37:13 So do you for taking care of all of us.

37:16 Yeah, it's hard sometimes. When I saw her and, you know, when she's. She's. She's very. It is hard to see her, but. Because always she's happy, and she's have a lot of energy, and she's a diva.

37:31 Yeah. And really good fashion sense before, right? Yes, I know. She's like. She's like Chanel.

37:39 That's when sometimes I tell her, Shirley you a diva? Like Jennifer. And she's laughing, who's Jennifer? Another day, he says, who's Jennifer? You see the picture next to you? I say, oh, yes. She's a beautiful girl.

37:53 Yeah. It's like, you know, it's like she doesn't remember you, but, like, she remembers, like, your presence, like, how you make her feel, you know, she knows she's comfortable around you. Like, I remember, like, one time we were. I was talking to her, and I mentioned you, and she was like. She was like Nancy. She's like, who? Who's Nancy? And I said, oh, Nancy comes and, like, helps take care of you sometimes. And she was like, she was like, I. She's like, I think, like, I think I know Nancy. And she was like, she was like, oh. Like, she's so nice.

38:29 And she.

38:30 And she. And I was like, do you know me? And she was like, no, but, like, I love you. She's like, no, but I know I love you. And then she. And I was like, and you love Nancy? And she was like, she was like, sometimes I don't know who she is, but I love her. You know, I'm comfortable around her.

38:46 You know? Who's not forgot your mom.

38:49 Yeah. Yeah.

38:50 She never forgot your mom. No. Because sometimes when I'm. When I walk around, she say, Gretchen, that's you. I say, no, Shirley, that's me. Oh, okay. I think she's Gretchen. I say, no, but she's coming soon. I say, okay, yeah, she's nothing. Never forget your mom.

39:08 Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. I mean. Oh, that was a good one, but, yeah. So, like, speaking of, you know, forgetting and remembering, is there anything. Oh, my God, my nose is congested. Is there anything you want to be remembered for? Yeah. What do you want to be remembered for?

39:39 You know? Then I think the people never forgot about me, because always I take a picture, always, any place. Then I visited. I get. I don't know how many pictures.

39:54 Yeah. You're like Maddie.

39:55 Yes. I love pictures. And you know that always the people say, why you get so many pictures? Because when I pass away, you want to see my pictures.

40:04 Yeah. And you're gonna remember me for that? Yes.

40:07 That's when I think so. The people. When I pass away, the people say, oh, you remember Nancy always. She have. She's you know, she's always got pictures.

40:16 Yeah, no, it's like every time I open my Instagram or my TikTok, I always see you posted. I always see it.

40:24 You remember none.

40:25 Yeah. And it's always. I think you post the most, like, when you're in El Salvador, you post a lot, which I love. And then you post on hikes, and you post your dogs, and my dogs, which are basically your dogs, too.

40:37 Yes.

40:38 Yeah.

40:38 Yeah. I love pictures. I think so. That's when I pass away. The people always, never forgot I love.

40:45 Because they'll always have a notification that you posted.

40:48 And, you know, my children, they laughed when I say, come on, I got a picture with you. I said, oh, my God, mom.

40:54 We used to do that, me and Chikis and man.

40:56 And I tell my children, say, oh, come on. When I pass away, you want one picture with me? I say, oh, my God.

41:03 I know it was taken there. And I'm like, oh, shoot, you got me. You got me with that one.

41:09 Yeah, I love pictures.

41:10 Yeah.

41:10 That's when I think the people, they remember me, they say, oh, mom, she loved pictures.

41:15 She loved pictures. She wears hiccups. So it's like a journal or a record or like a diary of your life.

41:22 Yes.

41:22 Yeah. That's so cool. I love it.

41:24 When I pass away, you see my.

41:26 Pictures and so if this was our. For some reason, if this was our last conversation, what would you want to tell me? What would you want me to know?

41:43 I hope that's not the last one conversation, Jenny. I hope so. Please. I need to stay in your life, and you stay in my life.

41:53 Yeah.

41:53 I don't know how many years more.

41:55 Forever. Forever.

41:56 So. I think so that's not the last conversation. But if this, then I love so much, and I'm very happy then you stay in my life.

42:08 I love you so much. I'm happier in my life. I happy to be in my life forever.

42:13 Thank you. Yeah, Chikis too.

42:18 You, too.

42:19 Yeah.

42:20 Okay, good. I need that. That's recorded, so you can't take that back now. That is not taking anything. That is. That is digital footprint that's on there. I'm glad. I'm glad we've come to this agreement, guys.

42:31 Yes. You know chicky, she's not talk too much, but she love you.

42:35 I love her. She knows you know I love you. I'm not afraid to show people I love. I think I learned that from you. That I always. The people that I love, they know I love them. You know, I want them to know I love them, and I want them to know I care about them. And I think I learned that from you. I really do.

42:56 Thank you, Jenny.

42:57 Of course. Because you're very outgoing. Yeah.

43:02 You know, because I think so. I have, you know, when I. When I. When I'm. I have friends and I have, you know, somebody next to me, I think so I need to appreciate it too much.

43:19 Uh huh.

43:20 So with the people, this break my feelings. I'm sorry about that, but. Because sometimes the people, they break your feelings. But when I have friends or whatever, I think so I'm very honest with the people.

43:34 Me too. I think I got that from you, too. I think I got a lot from you. All the best parts.

43:39 Thank you.

43:40 Because you're just. That's true. That's true. You are yourself. You're so amazing. I'm so grateful to you for helping raise me and Maddie and then bringing chikis into our life. It's so, so special, you know?

44:02 Me too. You know, I'm very happy that you stay in my life and you stay in chikis life.

44:07 Yeah.

44:07 Because chikis is not very, you know, too many friends. But she love you.

44:13 No, she's more like Saul, you know, shy.

44:17 Yes. Very shy girl. But, you know, I feel so, like. Ew.

44:22 That was so disgusting. I just like.

44:24 And cheeky. Signo.

44:26 I just, like, snorted. I love you guys. I adore you guys. Give me a hug.

44:33 I give you a hug.

44:35 I love you so much.

44:38 Your hamster. So.

44:39 I know. Oh, I love you. So I think. I think this is the end of our. Of our interview, guys.

44:46 Thank you, Jenny.

44:47 Thank you so much.

44:48 Thank you for you. Think about it. About me.

44:50 Of course. It was you straight away.

44:53 You made me cry, and I made you cry.

44:55 That's okay. That's okay.

44:57 My life.

44:57 Yeah. I love.