Noreen McRoyal and Audifac Ignace

Recorded September 19, 2020 Archived September 19, 2020 39:15 minutes
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Description

Spouses Noreen McRoyal (58) and Audifac Ignace (55) center their conversation about their respective matriarchal families, storytelling, preserving, and sharing oral cultures, and how to teach acceptance through storytelling to children.

Subject Log / Time Code

AI says he thinks of himself as a bird because he has traveled all over the world and describes the places he’s been since a youngster.
NMR talks about how they both come from matriarchal families and AI talks about his mother, says that thinking of her brings tears to his eyes, and explains that mothers in his culture are pillars of the family.
AI says that his mother always taught him to not accept injustice wherever he went and that traveling was the gateway to writing about injustice and racism.
AI talks about his research in Italy about why Italians called Black people “monkeys.”
AI talks about traveling back to his home to collect stories from his family, and this is where the story of the Cuckoo bird evolved.
AI sings a song that means “accept me for all that I am, including celebrating my differences” and explains the mission of Cuckoo and the Destiny.
AI talks about the various languages he can speak and how he’s learned them from storytelling.
NMR talks about how they perform together for children in their children storytelling performances and describes some of their methods.
NMR talks about how they also perform at senior citizen homes and how their work is about collective memory.

Participants

  • Noreen McRoyal
  • Audifac Ignace

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Transcript

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00:04 Hi, my name is Noreen mcroyal. I'm 58 years old today is Saturday September 19th 2020.

00:15 We are here in Las Vegas, Nevada near the strip.

00:21 This is my husband audifac Ignace. Am I loving partner?

00:28 And he will introduce system.

00:34 I'm 55 years old.

00:38 Saturday September 19th 2020 and we are here in Las Vegas, Nevada.

00:48 And I'm here with my lovely wife.

00:57 Well what brings us here today at storycorps is literally a journey that we've both been on. But today we're going to kind of focus on how we got here with you artifact.

01:11 Your journey to America. I'd like to to hear your version of how you got here.

01:22 How do you spell consider myself lucky.

01:26 A bird

01:28 Travel all over the world

01:32 Born in Africa. I'm home in this small little village town called Loom and then

01:44 I went to school day primary school Catholic School.

01:53 With the oldest Catholic priest who was it was friends, who was there after that? I went to the Big Town to the high school.

02:12 Who was managed by French?

02:17 You should technique. What's the name of the what's the name of the high school?

02:29 Is it supposed difficult question to ask my highly intelligent person during others?

02:53 That's why this cool school.

03:03 I came from

03:05 Call family.

03:07 The only thing my mommy was over access to the school is to do the school open or the door. I didn't have the chance to go to school where you guys you must go to school. That's why.

03:23 School if I finish, you know where the matriarchs of the family and although we come from different cultural backgrounds. You obviously been born on the continent of Africa and me being born, you know in Chicago, Illinois here in the US. I had an opportunity to go to a magnet program, which is like one of the very first in the country call Robert a black so we had it like a Melting Pot to where they brought all the children from all over this inner city and they bust us to this one location. So I care is as far as our mom's their matriarch ism is like incredibly similar because your mom was tell us a little bit more about my Monique mobile.

04:24 Mom in different cultures in Africa

04:31 Mom's a pillar of the family.

04:35 Pillar of the community and pillar of the Cincinnati Monica was everything she was the one would take care of me when I was kids because I was so sick because my big brother's day pass away and one day pass away.

04:56 Mommy didn't win money or pregnant of audifac Ignace. She didn't know that I'm going to come see what you were feeling to lose because she was so sick and when I came out they give me the net 4525 mean what do we scan a break?

05:18 Would you say in English language over so that Mommy?

05:26 Mom was everything for me. She was alone would take care of me brought me to school. She didn't know to to read all this.

05:38 French because I went to France School primary from school and she was going to the market on Saturday and what all the books and when we saw her she was kind of a big deal in the village because she was

06:06 Like the village doctor and she was the herbalist and I mean she would have he would tell me stories of her having lines and lines of children and people that she would take from like 4 in the morning to like

06:31 I'm on my way with the other is she was going to call today traditional doctor because

06:38 Alimony time

06:40 You're going to bring all the kiss of the village to mommy and mommy going to get out called all this apps the forest, manage all this and give to take care of this kiss was there and the good thing was that mommy don't ask nobody to kill.

07:01 If you give money to want me she going to refuse.

07:05 That was a gift. She has to know myself. I tried to ask my mom. How did she manage to know all this app and it will answer me a recipe for God mommy believe you always say that is God. You cannot go to have a pass for everybody. So that that was what I need to do. I'm doing it so you have this like incredible.

07:33 Story growing up, you know in the village Forest.

07:39 And then you started to travel I've never met anyone that has 81 stamps on their past and speak the 17 languages videos of going to Europe and tell us what happened when I finish the University of the State University of Cameroon. And then after that, I'll be going to teach mathematics and economics at the high school after that. I left to go to Italy.

08:16 Study journalism

08:23 On way. What do you do communication? Everything's

08:27 What made me change?

08:30 Was

08:32 Injustice

08:34 I didn't lock the injustice.

08:37 Injustice, I don't want to watch living my mommy told me where you are going don't accept everything the anything's Injustice diversity. I was going with this.

08:51 Rich. I don't want.

08:55 Change what my mommy asked me to do and I said, okay. I'm going to travel when I finish this letter word.

09:16 Quassia oldest country that France belgique hola Germany in Europe

09:26 Are considered a new oldest countries in Europe and Africa to because all this synagogue South Africa Zimbabwe oldest country.

09:45 I travel all this country. So now after you done all of this traveling you started to really write books about Injustice. One of them was in French and it was really really a big seller. I'll translate it what it means in English because what if God did not like black people, but she'll tell you it in French. It should you sous-vide it? What's up?

10:25 Flavius inquiry about racism in Vatican

10:38 Sis, and I

10:40 We have too many problems because of the book.

10:49 Iowa on purpose was to the beginning of the books.

11:02 I need to get over the book. We were making a study inquiry about.

11:08 Black book go to put on you know that in the world was the black book. We were trying to reset the history of the black book at a certain point. It turned into a document word by the Pope.

11:36 9044

11:39 Singing that the pope fuel 12 don't want blacks.

11:45 And so the book started developing a selfish old over a hundred thousand copies from you telling me that because we were going to say inquiry. We have a camel you have a hiding camera we have different.

12:17 To get pictures of what move on from that we met a documentary will keep YouTube Rescue Bots

12:35 So after that, he started writing you no more more books, even though it hurts yes of translates to what is monkey because because I'm not only material all my journey Europe France Belgium England where they usually call. Mookie. Are we trying to find out? Why is Missouri called black? Mookie? I'm from there. We begin This research.

13:23 Whoever said to bring this book called monkey.

13:34 It was done about me and my friends I call you my brother.

13:46 By time to breathe out this form of Injustice.

13:52 Out so getting back to your mom and her telling you to not

13:58 Lose Yourself and always be aware of Injustice and wherever it is, you need to help get rid of it or at least expose it so that she can move on. So it's saying that after wow, you know, you wrote all of these books you ended up you no going back home because

14:19 You found out who liked, you know from your mom about your actual grandmother. Would your mom's mom Storyteller her dad or her husband was the king of King of the Hill?

14:53 What's the story tale of the village? And she was the teacher that said they never the future because I'm at now. There was no school and she was.

15:05 Every different I'm calling the keys I said is what modifier come here and she was storytelling and when we were kids and come here and listen to story of Grandma wanna come here and we were there.

15:24 She was totally telling the story of Grandma wanna really really my mommy didn't know her mommy because my mommy was 4 years old when her mother passed away.

15:38 Well because Grandma wanted was no need to fill each storyteller.

15:43 What if I study what they're going to say is the story of Grand Canyon? Yes. I went back home from Italy. I went back and I went back to Grandma's Garden Village. Collect all this language. Call me Jimbo.

16:11 Applebee's in Italian language folkloric book and out of this folklore book

16:28 Grandma quinnen has an incredible tale about the cuckoo bird which is like a scientifically known fact today. You can see it on BBC. That is it's like a mafia bird. I call it because it invades the nest of other birds and kicks out their eggs and makes that bird unbeknown to it that baby. That's not her. So it never deals an ass. So this story kind of just popped out in this Forest actual luck. She lovely. To call herself daughter of the forest.

17:13 You will see I am in Wolford Wolford in Bangla language of the force. So what's the time? What's the further? And what is cuckoo bird? I'm from there. Now. What did I bring it out in English with the help of my with my wife so that Grandma Wanda

17:47 Storytelling she was singing I'm sure dancing. But before she did everything she going to say.

17:56 All story that are not lost because everything is passed down through generations from generation. So as a journalist,

18:16 You have this incredible idea to say listen, I'm not going to let our stories not be told about my grandma crying and everything that my mother went through as not having a mother and

18:31 You got to realize that because of your mother being hurt.

18:37 Put in different households. She speak like 15-20 different languages and then you'll talk to me in Italian. I don't understand what you're saying. And I do speak a little bit more french-italian, but it is just incredible. It's just within your DNA I think with your mom and then you going back to get your grandmother stories and

19:11 This story about Monique the monotonous and cuckoo bird and cuckoo and the destiny is a tail.

19:21 About

19:23 Her plight to survive when she travels.

19:28 To a different place. She's an outcast due to Fire and her mom is is kind of the antagonist protagonist in the beginning of trying to get her daughter to stay in a safe place around but her idea was to venture off and to find her own path and

19:54 Tell me a little bit more about the story because it all kind of connects when I think about it. Then yes of how you coming to America. You having to learn English. You haven't ualearn you in the south of all places cuz we met in Atlanta in the south from being in the Midwest and just coming and the culture shock. So I see the similarities in the story with Grandma quiet and York light to survive getting here. I mean, he was people that he thought he knew took advantage of him took his money took his kindness for granted and all of those things. So then from someplace else, you know, I get the adjustment that you have made in it. It has to be really hard for you.

20:54 Life is not that we have to we have to build our own life.

21:01 Noreen.

21:03 I defended the diversity exists the different exist. We have to accept you different and leave with all these different.

21:15 Goodman Corner was saying

21:20 After observing the Nature Made the story of

21:25 Cuckoo in the Destiny she was saying

21:28 Or do we are so different or do we are different language or everything we can live together with them Embrace or different? What is beautiful because it's different and my mom used to sing it in the language. She Shirley Caesar TV show music.

22:03 Call Mikey.

22:18 Ascended like I am

22:21 All my GF. I'm not perfect. Nobody's perfect. I have my quality. Everybody's my back just as I am by no one should I teach little together?

22:49 Ali Krieger

22:50 Democracy

22:53 Diversity bully communication all the elements to find that inside because we're money decided to live.

23:05 Elan

23:07 Campbell-savona to go to the forest tuition. Should you Forest?

23:12 She arrived today forest and those animal of the 42-1 morning to stay there a little illuminee to build an ex that what money was leaving when you were pregnant.

23:28 She have to let the X and those animal Aloha Animal will accept Injustice who come to her that animal was.

23:46 Malaika the Okapi Okapi is the only animal in the nature of giraffe zebra.

23:57 Copy my like a kid. I have a key bikini zebra gorilla.

24:12 Malaika work money to a problem I do for you enough King Simba call the colonists characters in the book are indigenous to the Savannah and also the far border and is it just that all of these characters looks like they come from every continent on this planet in the Garb that they have on most people don't know when we do our story. Tell him they said will who's your director? Who's your producer and they are we safe?

25:08 You looking at it and how did you come up with this? Well when I went back to the

25:19 My money I got more for money because Mommy Mom see she thinks she said too much.

25:27 Nobody can know more about you. I've been giving it a shot right now.

25:35 I'll inform her and I went back to Glam and Gore and Village Elders who was there to collect all this because the possibility of this story. Is that where you

25:53 Can mice eat another language in different? They have the story of Grandma Juana in that language?

26:02 Imma move again 20 miles you have another language to another story, but the county was that all the story was told your grandma wanted the Osa artist.

26:23 You would be the nature animal behavior animal in nature on from that story and make sure that North Dakota. Woman. There was no school. Now what do school they're going to have some?

26:44 I would have college tomorrow Morris are being tired. No life lessons and and morals but you know what in relationship all of this. I constantly keep seeing the connection the connection of you teaching anthropology. The connection of now came here anywhere in the South and West so that's why I feel like a bird.

27:15 Different we live in the mountains with the desert and living in a valley in a language. I would have put someone in English. Sometimes you got to get it sometime in French sometimes.

27:40 Excuse me. I just forget the world.

27:45 I have two beautiful because that's a form of communication.

27:57 You pick it out so that I learned from storytelling for money from all this and who was in the village.

28:05 But the only thing I didn't know to learn very where was it done because grandma and corn. Was it the answer to a dance too much. My mommy is is

28:18 I've been noticing because I learned all this saying songs all the songs by Milliken language in Palestine.

28:38 Isabella publication well when you left and you went to Russia and you live with you even speak Russian, and he didn't speak any other languages are where I went to school and I was having a friend and when I left there I didn't notice. We were talking with her.

29:13 Body language body language, I remember one day. We were leaving to go to Saint Petersburg.

29:23 I was in there and they were thinking that with a white horse with that because you are all the Train the passenger was the one looking like they were so friendly.

29:59 Beautiful Jordan I have in the

30:10 Combat in Italy in Cameroon and all this team

30:15 I'm coming in America every year.

30:19 I'm here to dinner to some kind of Injustice. I did it on my writing and I'm trying to

30:30 Together when I'm a Storyteller. I mean I do with her we went to the school to Chiquita David you leaving to better.

30:43 Friendship, but also to let them know that life isn't going to be picture perfect because we all are different but we all need to accept each other as we are to be able to appreciate and really have grass till we leave it at a cliffhanger when we perform because there's 10 volume 10 two parts of three and then we incorporate the children because we also teach them in like 20 minutes prior to the performance to interact.

31:30 Inside of the Storyteller performance with us. So this particular School Gilbert Creative Arts Magnet School. I don't know how and I know what the magnet but I'm partial to magnet programs and creative arts. Cuz that's where I come from and I just believe in a Melting Pot of diversity in order for us to move forward. But those children were able to we taught them the sounds of the forest using their hands their mouth and and body language and then they also we taught them how to play the drums to be part of that and then we story told

32:18 And you did a question-and-answer session they were like, wow, what did you get out of out of that? Do you feel like you know, you really kind of on the right track with with everything that has happened up until this point in my life. I want to teach you that when I went to teach I have to

32:47 Now you called in Nigeria today Nigeria was looking for the French speaking to come and teach French and with some friends. We went to for taco to the university to teach this french-speaking. That's why this is just kind of the tip of the iceberg. I think there's so much gifts that you've never offered that if you don't it'll absolutely drive me nuts. I'm always pushing you and I know sometimes I push my heart but you have such an incredible Talent on you have so much.

33:47 What I can bring everybody can give only what?

33:58 Gummo you so let's go to Sky Harbor Airport.

34:23 Simoni has to sing this song because this is a song that her mother taught her that if she ever encountered any type of difficulty to reach out, you know what this song in the song would help her it was a way of bringing in the belief in a parallel way of God in the animal kind of perspective. That's what I thought. You know, what the book

35:07 Life is not.

35:11 And we accept the different I will accept the diversity.

35:18 The human being used 10%

35:24 Capacity only 10% so that we have too many capacity to leave in peace to leave with love.

35:38 This message to travel travel and say peace peace love love. That's what I learned from my grandma birthday if I have someone who dresses. I. P. In the village that was not camera. We don't have no picture of Grandma nothing.

36:04 We just have a grandma one.

36:12 This point is having her have a living Legacy through us through our children through our work was not only we perform this with children. But we also go to the retirement communities because we work with memory care and I project is call, swarm by the fire is remember in the stories the Traditions the food, you know, remember that your grandma has the plastic on the furniture, you know, remembering, you know, when she will come by, you know, just remembering those things that make us all connect.

36:59 And really to know that although we are different. We are so much more similar.

37:08 We just unique and this is one of the reasons why I love my husband.

37:16 You just an incredible person. I appreciate you allowing me to do this because I know how you feel about interviews. Anybody need the usual.

37:30 Because people tend to turn things, you know.

37:40 You said it we just feel like our story needs to be told you he appreciates you want to bring this thing in the movie?

38:01 Words fly

38:04 And writing we met.

38:07 Show all toy stories that are not old lost and if we're not the ones that's telling our story, you know, who will and get it. Right? We don't want it to be anything except for the love of the kindness and the respect that I we have for all human beings because all human beings matter some just had a little bit tougher time than others, but we're trying to move on from that. We want to grow, you know, as a nation as a people as the world we want things to be different. So this is one of the reasons why we did this, so I thank you.

38:53 Thank you for having us.

38:59 What to say

39:10 Thank you. Thank you both.