John Oliveira and Emily Davis

[00:00] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, I don't think it's you. I think it's the.

[00:05] SPEAKER B: Thing.

[00:06] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I'm seeing the same thing where it's only half of you and me.

[00:13] EMILY DAVIS: Okay, well, you know, it's fine. I can see you. So nice to meet you. I'm Emily.

[00:17] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay, nice to meet you, too.

[00:20] EMILY DAVIS: I think we're supposed to read each other's bios. Oh, I see it. Okay. Great. I can go first if you want.

[00:30] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay, or I could go first, doesn't matter.

[00:33] EMILY DAVIS: Okay, no, I'm happy to. Okay, so you're John, you are conservative, you like to listen to AM FM radio, seeing small towns or rural areas, and then you like politics in general. You're a 23 year old recently graduated college student, congratulations. who lives in Brick, New Jersey, which is a suburb of New York. I live in a four member family with my sister, my mother, my father. I am politically conservative and a Catholic Christian. I believe every human is made in the image of God. Some of my hobbies include biking, using AM/FM radio and visiting small towns when I can. Your recent events is you recently moved to a new community. Started a new job. He fought with family or friends. I'm sorry to hear that and it says another major event so you got a lot of change.

[01:27] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And did you know that? Well, I actually, well, when it says the move to the new community, what it really was, well, my family moved from one place in New Jersey to the other like five years ago.

[01:38] EMILY DAVIS: So, okay, got it, got it. Okay. Still, it was a move.

[01:44] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, it's still a move.

[01:46] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[01:58] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And okay, and then I'll read your bio too. Okay, so you're, I'll start from the top. Okay, so your name's Emily, you're from Evanston, Illinois. you're age 50 to 64 and a Democrat.

[02:15] SPEAKER B: And.

[02:17] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Your main part says like, hi, I'm a white married woman with two teenage kids. My husband is a Navy veteran. I have worked full time my whole adult life. I have much to be grateful for and try to give back when I can, especially to causes which support public education, women's health, refugee families, affordable housing and parks. I love learning about history with other cultures through reading and travel. And I enjoy good food, wine, music, running, yoga, and quality time spent with family, friends, and neighbors. And then some of your recent events are that you're a parent, a member of a military family, you consume liberal leaning media, live in a suburban area, music lover, and animal lover.

[03:03] EMILY DAVIS: That sounds about right.

[03:08] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That's yours.

[03:09] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[03:11] EMILY DAVIS: So why did you choose to sign up for this? Have you done it before?

[03:16] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I've done it two times before.

[03:19] EMILY DAVIS: Okay, I've done it once before about, oh boy, like late last year. I really enjoyed it.

[03:27] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, and I agree with you. I do like these.

[03:31] EMILY DAVIS: Mm-. They're fun. Cool. Yeah, I signed up for another one this summer. I've been meaning to do it. I just had a little bit of time and a lot's changed since I did the last year.

[03:47] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[03:48] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, a lot's changed since last year. you know, in my life, we just dropped off our oldest at college. She's going to University of Illinois. We're really proud of her.

[04:02] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And so that's, okay, well, congratulations. She's going to college.

[04:05] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[04:06] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, it's. It's a big, big change. We still have our son at home. He's still in high school, but, yeah, it's. I just turned 50, so, you know, it's that. kind of midlife, you know, change.

[04:24] SPEAKER B: So.

[04:26] EMILY DAVIS: It'S been good, though. It's been good. We're really happy for her. We're really proud of her. She's an athlete.

[04:32] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And as you should be, though. You should be proud of her.

[04:36] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, thanks. Yeah, she's very responsible and has a tough major and have a very busy schedule. she's a runner, so she's on the track team and already has a lot of practices and keep her very busy. She has to stay very disciplined.

[04:56] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, yeah, that's true. And I know some of that because, well, I have experience being on a track team too, but not in college, but in middle school, like before that.

[05:07] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, yeah. What was your event? Do you remember?

[05:11] JOHN OLIVEIRA: It was, I think I did best on like the 400 meter event.

[05:15] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, okay. Okay. So Sprinter.

[05:18] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[05:19] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Or yeah, I think it was a 400 meter kind of person.

[05:22] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[05:23] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[05:23] EMILY DAVIS: She loves the mile. That's her favorite.

[05:27] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, no. I could, I could, I could never do the mile.

[05:30] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, really?

[05:31] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[05:31] EMILY DAVIS: And then she, she loves cross country, which in college is a three mile race.

[05:35] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. yeah. Cross country is. Cross country is the longer version of track and field.

[05:43] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, that's right.

[05:44] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[05:44] EMILY DAVIS: So as a distance Runner, she's required to do both.

[05:50] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay.

[05:53] EMILY DAVIS: So we go to her first meet next week. Also.

[05:57] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Also, our first week meet is next week. Okay.

[05:59] EMILY DAVIS: Yep. Yep.

[06:02] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[06:02] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That must be, um, you know, a little bit. A little bit nervous, right?

[06:07] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[06:08] EMILY DAVIS: I mean, I don't know if she's actually going to be in a scoring position. I mean, it's the team's really good. So she may just attend the meet, you know, and suit up and, you know, warm up but not run the event as part of the top seven. But we'll see. It's possible. It's possible. Yeah, I was not a college athlete either. I did run in high school. My husband was a college athlete, so he's definitely helping her kind of manage that. So he gets it from her or she gets it from him, not me. Okay.

[06:50] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Cause you're saying your husband was a college athlete. Okay.

[06:53] EMILY DAVIS: That's right. Yeah, yeah. Different sport. He was a rower.

[06:57] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, wow. Yeah.

[07:00] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[07:00] EMILY DAVIS: So that's a lot of discipline as well, so.

[07:04] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[07:05] EMILY DAVIS: So she got it from him.

[07:07] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That's true.

[07:09] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[07:10] EMILY DAVIS: So what'd you study in college?

[07:13] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I I actually have, like, a. A degree. It's actually, um, a liberal and professional studies, so it's not anything, like, specific. It's a, I guess it's like, you know, liberal and professional studies could mean like a bunch of things. So it's not, like, I mean, but I did, you know, can I just say, but I do have like an interest in, you know, like education and like public schools and stuff like that. And but I don't, but I studied like many things in college.

[07:46] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah. what do you like best?

[07:51] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I think, like probably either, either education.

[07:55] SPEAKER B: Or.

[07:57] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Or what's the other one I can think of? Like, there was, or there were some college classes, like, with, with a teacher, Nancy parent that I liked, and, and, you know, and, and even, even though, you know, sometimes I would, I would disagree with the, the politics of it. Like, I still like to have discussions in that class.

[08:15] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[08:16] SPEAKER B: And.

[08:17] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And it was, what's it called? Yeah, even though I disagree with politics, I like to have discussions and it's still, it was still a good one.

[08:29] EMILY DAVIS: That's great. Yeah, we need more of that. So I'm glad to hear that, you know, you're able to kind of, you know, be open. I'm the same. I try to be open. I try to understand. I loved being in college. I loved school. I wish I could, you know, kind of be in school all the time, but that's too expensive to be a student. So have you thought about being a teacher?

[08:58] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I have, but I, I don't know if I would actually do it because there's, and here's the reason why, because it's, being a teacher to me is, like a it's almost like a public speaking job where you have to like speak in front of people.

[09:15] EMILY DAVIS: So that is a good thing.

[09:17] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I get nervous about that.

[09:20] EMILY DAVIS: Most people do. Most people do.

[09:25] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[09:26] EMILY DAVIS: Well, I mean, practice makes perfect. I don't know. Don't rule it out. You're so young.

[09:35] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I don't know.

[09:35] EMILY DAVIS: You have your whole life in front of you. Well, that's great. I wonder if I could have been a teacher. I studied literature. I love to read. And ended up going into advertising, so that's what I work in. Which uses your communication skills and.

[10:02] SPEAKER B: Your.

[10:03] EMILY DAVIS: Skills of persuasion and negotiation. I was on the debate team in high school, so it's fun. I enjoy it. It took me a little while to find my way because graduating with a degree in literature isn't like, you know, it doesn't roll into an obvious job. So it took me a few years.

[10:26] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I don't think it. I don't think it figured out.

[10:29] EMILY DAVIS: No, it doesn't. It doesn't. But I did love it, and I don't regret it. I think reading literature, especially historical literature, you learn a lot about the time period in which something was set. It's kind of like a way to learn history, but through art.

[10:48] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean, I. Some. Sometimes I like reading. like, you know, I guess books about, like, you know, the, the time period they were set in, I guess.

[10:58] EMILY DAVIS: That's right.

[10:59] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, not, not, not, not, not a, not a lot, but I, I do that sometimes.

[11:05] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, there's a, yeah. In my degree as well, we were required to take what they called, I don't know if they call it anymore, but, like, non-western literature, so. you know, I took Japanese literature, you know, South American literature, Russian literature, and it was fascinating. It was great. It was stuff that I wouldn't have ordinarily read. I was, you know, very much into kind of the European Centric literature, so it really opened up my, my perspective.

[11:38] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I have to say, one. Yeah, I was gonna say I, I actually have one. family member though that that's from I mean, even though I haven't read any like, I haven't read any books from South America, but I have a family member from a South American country who immigrated here.

[11:53] EMILY DAVIS: Okay. Oh, cool. Um, have you ever read any like Borges or Marquez?

[12:02] JOHN OLIVEIRA: No.

[12:04] EMILY DAVIS: It's good stuff. Marquez is is really good stuff. You probably have heard of 100 years of solitude.

[12:11] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I think I have.

[12:13] EMILY DAVIS: The only confusing thing in that novel is that every character has the same name.

[12:18] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, huh. I mean, yeah, but here's the thing. I can't like, you know, I can't like speak about it because I haven't read 100 years of solitude, but I've heard the name before.

[12:29] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's probably one of the more famous South American classics. Yes, and I read some Central American as well. Rigoberta Menchu, she won the Nobel Prize. She wrote about her experience growing up as basically in servitude on a coffee finca, which is their coffee plantations.

[12:55] SPEAKER B: And she.

[12:58] EMILY DAVIS: Became an early organizer for the workers rights on the coffee plantations. really, really fascinating life story. And she really made a difference. It was really inspiring.

[13:11] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That's interesting.

[13:12] SPEAKER B: And.

[13:16] EMILY DAVIS: So, yeah, so I learned.

[13:19] SPEAKER B: About.

[13:20] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, parts of history that I wouldn't ordinarily have learned. I also really enjoyed Japanese literature. So the classic literature from like the the Shogun period and Learning about like what Japanese court life was like and My favorite was reading from female authors because, you know, they were pretty much, you know, second class citizens that didn't have a whole lot of power, but they could write.

[13:49] SPEAKER B: So.

[13:51] EMILY DAVIS: So those are particularly interesting.

[13:55] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Well, yeah, well, that's true too. I mean, in a lot of places like in what's it called in, in history? I mean, in, yeah, sorry. A lot of, you know, countries in history, like, you know, females weren't, like, treated the same. That's true.

[14:08] EMILY DAVIS: That's right. That's right. And, I mean, the only ones who are really even educated with are the higher class women.

[14:14] SPEAKER B: So.

[14:16] EMILY DAVIS: You know, these were rich women that basically were kind of kept, you know, by the men in their lives, and, but it was still good. I mean, you know, these women still found a way to express themselves and they were very clever in the way that they sent messages to each other and, you know, tried to improve their circumstances. So, so this definitely gives one hope that they, you know, everybody kind of figures it out. But yeah, it's pretty incredible the world we live in is probably the best time to live in. ever for a human being. And so that it gave me a really good perspective. But yeah, so I still love to read. I read a lot. I'm just finishing a reread of the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Did you ever read that one? Mark Twain.

[15:12] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I've read part of that one, not the whole thing.

[15:17] EMILY DAVIS: It's one of my favorite books ever. I grew up in Iowa. on the Mississippi River. So I love reading about the Mississippi River. And, but the reason I'm rereading it is because I'm about to read a book that came out, I think, last year that won all the awards called James. And it's a new book, but it's written, it's the same story, the same Huckleberry Finn story, but it's written from the perspective of Jim, the, the slave.

[15:46] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So it's the same, like, Huckleberry Finn story, but it's just told from a different perspective. Okay.

[15:53] EMILY DAVIS: So I wanted to reread the original to remind myself what happened, and then I'm about to read James, which I'm excited about. So, yeah, because I think.

[16:08] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Because I. Because as far as I know, can I say, as far as I know, that book, though, like, Huggleberry or the Ventures, the Huggleberry Finn, like, that was written at the. Close to the end of, like close to the end of when we accepted slavery.

[16:21] EMILY DAVIS: It was written in like 18, the 1880s, which was after the Emancipation Proclamation. But the novel is set in, I.

[16:30] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Thought, wait, oh, I thought it was like 1848.

[16:34] EMILY DAVIS: No, 1865.

[16:36] JOHN OLIVEIRA: 18, oh, 1865. No, no, no, no, no.

[16:38] EMILY DAVIS: And I think the book is set in like the 1840s. so it's still a generation away from the end of slavery.

[16:47] JOHN OLIVEIRA: But that's trying to say.

[16:49] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[16:50] SPEAKER B: That. That.

[16:51] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I think the book was set in, like, 1840 something.

[16:54] EMILY DAVIS: That's exactly right. Yep. So say slavery was still. I mean, there were free states. So, like, the book is about how they're trying to help Jim escape to, I think. I can't remember. I think Ohio is where they want to go. So there are free states, but basically in the book, they're, you know, the river is going all through, you know, slave states. But yeah, so it's been a great reread. I have to say, I recommend it if you ever wanted to pick it back up. But that's been my summer read.

[17:31] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay. Oh, that's what you've been reading like now this summer. Okay.

[17:35] EMILY DAVIS: Yes.

[17:35] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[17:36] EMILY DAVIS: How about you? What are you. How's your summer been?

[17:40] JOHN OLIVEIRA: It's been okay so far. I mean, I've been, you know, like, working most of this summer, but, you know, I. I work as, you know, not all the time, but I have, like, a. A part-time job for now. And what's it called? Yeah, part-time job for now. And I also, you know, have spent time with family, too, and. done that kind of thing.

[18:04] EMILY DAVIS: Nice, nice. Oh, sorry, that's my dog. So you live with your family?

[18:14] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I do.

[18:17] SPEAKER B: Yeah. And.

[18:20] EMILY DAVIS: What'S your town like? What do you do for fun?

[18:23] JOHN OLIVEIRA: My town is, you know, very, let's just say very suburban.

[18:28] EMILY DAVIS: Okay.

[18:28] JOHN OLIVEIRA: It's actually probably more, more suburban than where I lived before, like five years ago.

[18:35] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, okay.

[18:40] SPEAKER B: So.

[18:42] EMILY DAVIS: Is there do you like living there or.

[18:46] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I don't. Yeah, I don't think I like living here, but I would. What's it called? I mean, I like some parts of it, but I think I would, like, you know, move somewhere else if I could, though.

[19:00] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[19:00] EMILY DAVIS: You said you like small towns. You like rural either.

[19:04] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Either small towns, rural, or even like a. Even like a small city in.

[19:08] EMILY DAVIS: Okay.

[19:10] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And I was going to talk about that because, you know, since you. Since you live in Illinois, I actually know about some, you know, small cities in Illinois, like, you know, like, Lincoln and Champagne.

[19:24] EMILY DAVIS: I've heard of Champagne's great. Yeah, that's. That's where my daughter is.

[19:29] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. Oh, is it?

[19:31] EMILY DAVIS: That's the college town. That's the University College Town. Yeah, but it's in the middle of the country. It's beautiful.

[19:38] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[19:38] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And that's that. Yeah, that. And that. Yeah, those are places that, you know, I would. I would want to move to, like a. A champagne or a Bloomington or a town like that.

[19:48] EMILY DAVIS: Cool. Yeah, you should. You should road trip out and see them. yeah, the, I don't, I've been to Bloomington for maybe my daughter's track meet. Champagne's cool. And with the university there and, you know, there's lots of businesses. You could probably get a job. And it's just, it's a very vibrant Community, obviously, with, you know, all the young people there and. I love driving around campus because they have a big agricultural program. So my daughter's training facility with the track is actually right across from the university farms. So you can see horses and the farm animals while she's on the track.

[20:43] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, really? Wow.

[20:45] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah. Which was something I didn't expect. and it's only two and a half hours from Chicago, so it's pretty easy to get down there. And, you know, Southern Illinois is. Well, I guess it's more Central. Central Illinois. But, you know, it has lots of great small towns and. Yeah, I love living here. I'm a. I'm a big fan. We, um, we live in a suburb of Chicago. Um. which is suburban, but we have a university as well. So we're Northwestern is. So we're also like a college town, but like in a suburb. So it's kind of perfect. Okay. Because it feels like we're our own community, but like you have the big city right next to it.

[21:33] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, so I guess, so you live in a suburb that's also what would be called a college town too?

[21:39] EMILY DAVIS: Yes, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, we're the very first suburb north of the city limits. So it's really easy to get into Chicago from where I live.

[21:49] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay. And, but can I just be honest with you? Like, I almost, you know, since you live close to Chicago, like, I know almost nothing about that place. Can I be honest with you? I know almost nothing.

[22:01] EMILY DAVIS: Okay. Okay. It's one of my favorite big cities. and it's very different from New York, I think.

[22:11] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Very different.

[22:13] EMILY DAVIS: It's very spread out, but like the downtown area is it feels like it feels like you're in Manhattan, but like it has a very different vibe, you know?

[22:26] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay.

[22:28] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah. It's like, I mean, I'll just say, I think Midwestern people are just really nice. we tend to be really nice. And we love to eat, you know, so there's lots of great food.

[22:43] SPEAKER B: And.

[22:45] EMILY DAVIS: And then we're on Lake Michigan, which is spectacularly beautiful. What a lot of people don't know is that we're. We have great beaches. So, like, I live in Evanston, which is right on the lake. We have amazing beaches, so, like, in the summer, we just go to the beach. We have a little sailboat, so we sail on the lake a lot. We have great bike trails, so you can, like, basically bike all the way up and down, like, the lakefront.

[23:13] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So there's lots of, well, we have some bike trails in, in New Jersey, too, but.

[23:17] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So we have the, the country's largest free zoo. So the zoo is right on the lake and you don't have to pay to go just wander in and it's amazing.

[23:33] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I never knew that.

[23:34] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah. And we have amazing museums and they have free days too. There's a lot of stuff you can do in Chicago for free.

[23:42] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay.

[23:44] EMILY DAVIS: And then one of my favorite things to do in Chicago and I try to do it anytime someone new comes to visit. the Chicago River goes through downtown and then it empties out into Lake Michigan. They have a boat tour that it's run by the Architectural Foundation because we have so much amazing architecture in Chicago. They call us like an open architecture museum. Like all the famous architects of the world have designed big buildings here. And so I love taking the architecture tour because you float along the river.

[24:15] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And just see the buildings, right?

[24:17] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, and the tour guide will tell you all about the different buildings and the history of them.

[24:21] SPEAKER B: And.

[24:23] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That'S, that's really interesting. I agree.

[24:26] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[24:26] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah. It's a super cool thing to do. So if you ever do Make it.

[24:31] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Here, I mean, I do, I do, I do like historic, I do like historical things.

[24:35] EMILY DAVIS: So that's, well, then you would love it. You would love it. The other thing that is fun that I know people do is the, like the Chicago gangster tour. They'll take you on, like a a tour of, like, all the spots from, like, the Al Capone days.

[24:53] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay. And.

[24:56] EMILY DAVIS: And then, yeah, we have our art museum. I mean, New York by New York, but, like, there's some really, really famous pieces in our art museum, so I go there pretty regularly, too.

[25:10] SPEAKER B: So. Yeah.

[25:12] EMILY DAVIS: And then there's. so many different cultures here, just like New York City, but, you know, lots of festivals and, you know, celebrating different cultures. And so it's like every weekend, especially in the summer, and I'm sure it's the same in New York, but there's a. A food festival or a street festival or.

[25:32] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[25:32] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And that's, that's true. And, yeah, New York City also has a lot of festivals and, and, you know, of different cultures and stuff like.

[25:38] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah.

[25:40] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[25:42] EMILY DAVIS: Well, maybe you. Yeah, you road trip out and check out the city and then drive down to Champaign and see. See a, you know, rural college town.

[25:53] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[25:54] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And, and, you know, and, and I think, you know, like a place like that, you know, like a LeChamp, like Champaign or another one of those, like, Central Illinois towns, I would. I mean, I'm kind of interested and I have to say.

[26:10] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's a Champaign Urbana. It's actually, it's like two towns put together. Okay. So they call it University of Illinois at Champaign Urbana.

[26:26] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And actually, yeah, I've heard of that, that it's like Champaign and Urbana are like right next to each other.

[26:31] EMILY DAVIS: Yes. they're right now. Yeah, they're like little twin, twin towns and. Yeah, right off the main highway. But, like, you were in the country, like, if you like small towns or you like rural, it's. It's really beautiful. It's really pretty.

[26:45] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I do. Yeah.

[26:48] EMILY DAVIS: What are some. I. I've not really been around. New York has a ton of small towns, like Upstate. Have you ever.

[26:55] JOHN OLIVEIRA: It does. And, yeah, Upstate New York has plenty of small towns.

[26:59] SPEAKER B: I mean.

[27:00] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I could just name some. Let's see. Like, there's. There's Boonville. There's. What else? I've been to one, Aniana. There's.

[27:11] EMILY DAVIS: Okay.

[27:12] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Aniana, there's Binghamton. There's. What else? And these. These are all places that are, like, you know, three or four hours from New York City. Like, they're not. They're not that close.

[27:24] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, okay, got it.

[27:26] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[27:26] EMILY DAVIS: New York's a big state.

[27:29] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[27:30] EMILY DAVIS: But you want, you want to move west? You'd rather move west.

[27:33] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I do want to move west.

[27:35] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, you should.

[27:38] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, and, and, you know. Yeah, yeah. At least eventually I want to move west. And I was thinking of, you know, I don't, I don't know where specifically yet, but I was thinking either, either one of those states, like, we're closer where you are, like Wisconsin or Ohio or. you know, yeah, Wisconsin, Ohio, or maybe like in Illinois, too. I don't know yet, but I'm thinking of one of those states.

[28:05] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, my gosh. Well, come to the Midwest. Midwest is best. That's what we always say. Wisconsin is fun. Wisconsin is like, has tons of small towns, lots and lots of lakes, like the lake life is really big up there. you know, hunting, fishing, you know, again, we love food. And I'm not really a sports person, but like, you know, the Packers, Green Bay, that's big. But I really like going up to Wisconsin for the weekend just because there's so many fun little lake towns, you know, lots of stuff to do. If you like nature, you know, there's a ton of that. and Wisconsin's more like wooded, like Illinois, like Champaign Urbana is more like open farmland, which is also beautiful, but Wisconsin, like, it's more up into the woods.

[29:03] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[29:06] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I think I like both farmland and forest. So that.

[29:12] SPEAKER B: Yeah. So.

[29:15] EMILY DAVIS: That is super fun. Michigan is also beautiful. Lots of small towns in Michigan, lots of lakes, and then of course the lakefront. So Michigan beaches are also spectacular. We try to go up every summer to a Michigan lake town and spend a weekend.

[29:35] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, so that's like a, I guess a weekend vacation.

[29:38] EMILY DAVIS: Yes. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, to Wisconsin or Michigan, lots of people from Chicago will go up. I mean, the rich ones have, you know, second homes. We don't, but.

[29:48] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. Oh, so. Oh, so then that's kind of like. Can I just say, like, the equivalent of that in New Jersey?

[29:53] EMILY DAVIS: Probably.

[29:54] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Like where, like. Like a weekend vacation place. Like the equivalent of that would be like a. A place, like, along. Like the Atlantic Ocean. Like a. Like close to where I live. Like a. Like a Belmar or a Spring Lake or. you know, or a Kate May or Ocean City, one, you know, and those towns are like a lot of, where a lot of people, you know, come from, you know, New York City or Philadelphia, like to spend.

[30:24] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[30:25] JOHN OLIVEIRA: To spend the weekend.

[30:26] EMILY DAVIS: That's right. That's right. But there are people that live there, too. So, you know, definitely people who live in these towns year round, some of them who, like, Yeah, who like maybe started going there on the weekend and then said, I just want to live here all the time. Excuse me.

[30:45] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, so that's like the New Jersey equivalent of like Wisconsin, you know?

[30:50] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, very much, very much. Yeah, the big attraction in Wisconsin is Door County. So if you've ever looked at the state of Wisconsin has like this little thumb that kind of goes out, that's door county.

[31:05] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay. And at the bottom, I've never heard of, oh, I know about the thumb that goes out, but I don't know that's door county.

[31:13] EMILY DAVIS: Door county is gorgeous. And of course, it's like, you know, you got the lake on both sides. So there's lots of, you know, water sports and, and at the bottom of the, the thumb is Green Bay. So that's where people go to football games. But yeah, I love door county. so pretty up there. And then my brother and his family live in Minneapolis, so we get out.

[31:37] SPEAKER B: There.

[31:39] EMILY DAVIS: As often as we can. Minnesota is beautiful. Minnesota is colder. I will just say that I would not want to live in Minnesota. I would definitely stay kind of south of where I live. I've told my husband I don't want to live any further north than we live now. the winters are long enough. Oh, yeah. We do get a nice summer here. I've heard Upstate New York has terrible winters, too.

[32:04] SPEAKER B: And.

[32:05] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, they. I mean. Well, they do have, like, long Winters, but that's something that I actually. That's something that I actually like, though.

[32:13] EMILY DAVIS: You like winter. Okay.

[32:14] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Well, I. I like winter.

[32:16] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[32:16] EMILY DAVIS: I love the Midwest.

[32:18] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[32:18] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And I. I mean, yeah, if. Sorry. Yeah, I like winter and. And snow and cold and everything, so.

[32:24] EMILY DAVIS: Well, great.

[32:25] SPEAKER B: Come on over. Yeah.

[32:31] EMILY DAVIS: I think you have a plan. I think you know what you want to do.

[32:35] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, because here in New Jersey, can I say here in New Jersey, we have some winter too, and it's maybe last from November to March, but where I live now, there's less of a winter because we're by the ocean.

[32:54] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[32:54] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So it's like, you know, we go.

[32:56] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

[32:57] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So it's like we get less snow than, like, the other part of New Jersey where we used to live.

[33:03] EMILY DAVIS: Okay. Got it. If that's the lake effect or the water. Yeah.

[33:07] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[33:08] EMILY DAVIS: Keeps it a little bit warmer. Yeah, we. We do, too. The lake effect here keeps us a little bit warmer in the winter, too, which is nice.

[33:15] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay.

[33:17] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, we're really close to the lake. I love the lake. I hope to go after work today. I hope to go down to the beach. Yeah, it's gonna be beautiful here this weekend. It's our black party.

[33:30] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And instead of by the lake, I live by the Atlantic Ocean. So that's a little different.

[33:33] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, well, right. So that's a little different.

[33:37] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[33:37] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, that's a little different. Do you ever go into New York? Do you like going in the city?

[33:45] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I have, I have sometimes, but not, not too often, but, yeah, it's expensive. Yeah, it is. It is expensive. And I think a lot of, like, for example, like, even, even if you're trying to, you know, I think if you're trying to drive in, in, it's expensive, too.

[34:06] EMILY DAVIS: Yes. Right. Yeah. Any way you go in, I mean, obviously I would want to take a train. I would. not want to bother with driving, but.

[34:13] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, then that's what I mean. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, the trains, I think, are cheaper, but, like, driving in is expensive.

[34:20] EMILY DAVIS: Right, right, right, right.

[34:23] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[34:23] EMILY DAVIS: The last time we were there, we took our kids there to see a Broadway show. And one of my favorite things we did was we rented bikes and biked around Central Park.

[34:33] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. Oh, so, yeah, that's. I know that Central Park is, like, a big tourist attraction around here.

[34:40] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, we were there in November and the weather was great. I mean, it was just fall weather and so we just got on our bikes and sweaters and just rode all the way around and.

[34:53] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, that's. I I agree. That's good bike weather. Yeah.

[34:56] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[34:57] SPEAKER B: We.

[34:58] EMILY DAVIS: We didn't know what to expect.

[34:59] SPEAKER B: We.

[35:00] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, took the kids. It was the kids first time there, and so we took him to see a Statue of Liberty, took him to Times Square, took him. the Central Park, like, so they got to see all that. Okay.

[35:11] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And can you say, did you know something about, like, the, I mean, you might not know this, but the, can I say something about the Statue of Liberty that you might know?

[35:19] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, of course.

[35:20] JOHN OLIVEIRA: That it's actually, like, disputed territory, like, between, like, two states.

[35:27] EMILY DAVIS: Is that right? It is.

[35:29] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So it's, like, you know, disputed between, like, New York and New Jersey, like, nobody really. you know, yeah. And it's like, you know, like nobody really knows who owns it. You know, it's like disputed between New York and New Jersey.

[35:45] EMILY DAVIS: Are all the islands that way or just the Statue Island?

[35:49] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I think it's, well, it's two of them. It's Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island.

[35:55] EMILY DAVIS: Really? Oh my gosh, I never knew that.

[35:59] JOHN OLIVEIRA: You never knew that?

[36:00] EMILY DAVIS: No, that it was disputed. I'm like, you think that they would have figured it out by now?

[36:05] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I mean, but, but for some reason, I guess most people, I think, think it's, it's in New York, but.

[36:12] SPEAKER B: Right.

[36:12] EMILY DAVIS: No, for sure. Geez. All right. Well, New York and New Jersey are probably fighting. They fight all the time, I imagine.

[36:25] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[36:25] EMILY DAVIS: I've never spent much time in New Jersey. I mean, I've been there. I've kind of flew in and out of the airport a bunch of times. But I actually don't know much about it. I had a friend from summer camp when I was a kid who married a guy from New Jersey. And I've never been to visit her, but they're farmers. And I was like, oh, there's farming in New Jersey? She's like, there's a lot of farming in New Jersey. I'm like, okay, that's not what you think of.

[36:51] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And here's the thing. And there is some farming in New Jersey, not a lot. but there is some and okay. And I just want to say so.

[37:02] EMILY DAVIS: What they have a family farm there.

[37:04] SPEAKER B: So.

[37:05] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. And yeah, and I gotta say so. And then I think most of our farms though are in like, I don't know if you ever heard of these places, but they're in Warren and Sussex County.

[37:17] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, I don't know where they are. Probably that's probably where they are.

[37:22] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, I mean, you never heard of those?

[37:24] SPEAKER B: Okay.

[37:24] EMILY DAVIS: No, I don't think so. I mean, I grew up in Iowa, so I know a lot of people live on farms, but you think of farming in Iowa. You don't think of farming in New Jersey.

[37:37] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, that's true.

[37:38] EMILY DAVIS: So it's found it interesting.

[37:41] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, yeah, I agree. Iowa probably has more farms than New Jersey.

[37:45] EMILY DAVIS: We have a lot of farms. We have a lot. A lot. my mom still owns some farmland. She doesn't farm it. Someone else does. But that's usually what happens now is you people own farmland, but then they contract it out to people to actually do the farming. That's very common.

[38:07] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. And, by the way, did you know that I've heard of, can I just say there's one city in Iowa, I've heard of two that's called.

[38:18] SPEAKER B: Not.

[38:18] JOHN OLIVEIRA: This is not a farmland area, but it's called Ames, Iowa.

[38:24] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, yeah. That's where Iowa State is.

[38:27] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay.

[38:28] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[38:29] EMILY DAVIS: Iowa State University is there. It's just north of Des Moines. So it's like Central Iowa. Another college town for you. College town that's rural but not far from a big city. You should maybe go check out Ames.

[38:43] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[38:43] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And what, and what I heard about it, though, can I admit what I've heard about it that I, that makes me want, like, that makes me interested is that they have, they say they have, like, good, like, public transit there, too.

[38:54] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, yeah, I'm sure they do because of the college.

[38:57] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[39:00] JOHN OLIVEIRA: So it's like good public transit, and it's like a smaller town, and, you know, there's Farmland around.

[39:08] EMILY DAVIS: Lots. Yep. Yep. My, my good, our good friends here in Chicago, their family farm is just north of Ames.

[39:18] JOHN OLIVEIRA: We've been there.

[39:19] EMILY DAVIS: It's beautiful up there. Really pretty.

[39:22] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I, I believe that.

[39:24] EMILY DAVIS: My mom and stepdad live in Iowa City, which is where the University of Iowa is, which is a a bigger university than Iowa State. But I love Iowa City. It's a very, very fun college town. It's a big town, but it's spread out. And so like they live on the edge of town. So they're like closer to the country.

[39:48] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, so they're closer to the farmland.

[39:51] EMILY DAVIS: Mm-. So I love to visit. Speaking of horses, there's a horse farm right across from there, you know, little neighborhood. and yeah, there's a lot of space. There's a lot of space out there. But yeah, Iowa City has everything too. It's very, it's very vibrant. You know, they have the arts, they have public transit, you know, museums, great restaurants, really excellent hospital. So good medical care. So that's, I, that's my vote for you. I think you should find a college town in the West.

[40:28] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, maybe I should. And part of the reason why is just because, like, can I just admit, like, where I live now in New Jersey, like, we don't, at least in this town, we don't have, like, even, it just surprised me how a place like Ames, Iowa can beat us in, like, public transit. Ames, Iowa can beat us.

[40:51] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[40:53] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, that is weird, huh? It's got to be because of the students, because the students don't have cars.

[41:00] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, maybe.

[41:01] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, like I know that in Iowa City and Champaign as well, like actually the buses are free for students. They have lots of buses.

[41:12] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, and I've heard the same thing, Champaign, Illinois, I've heard the same thing.

[41:15] EMILY DAVIS: Mm-, mm-, yeah, yeah, you can ride your bike or, you know, take the bus pretty much anywhere. So yeah, I'm sure that that's why. So yeah, that would be a thing to consider on your list. And Ames is right by Des Moines, so easy to fly in and out of if you need to go somewhere. Madison, Wisconsin is another good college town in the Midwest. The University of Wisconsin is there. Very, very pretty up there.

[41:48] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay, see that. Yeah, that. That place I haven't heard of much.

[41:52] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, okay. Yep, yep. It's about two and a half hours from Chicago, and it's in Southern Wisconsin, so it's not, you know, up to the terribly cold area of Wisconsin. And, yeah, there's tons to do around there. We love going up to Madison, big College town. and my brother went there. Went to college there. He's a badger.

[42:25] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay.

[42:28] EMILY DAVIS: Yes, the Badgers. Then I think the Illinois or the Illini.

[42:33] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[42:35] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, so that's. Oh, so you're saying, like, I guess, like, Badgers is. Is there. Is their mascot, their sports team, right?

[42:41] EMILY DAVIS: That's right.

[42:42] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[42:44] EMILY DAVIS: The Avengers.

[42:47] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[42:48] EMILY DAVIS: I'm not into sports, but I think the mascots are fun.

[42:50] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[42:51] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Me neither. I don't care about sports either.

[42:54] SPEAKER B: No.

[42:55] EMILY DAVIS: I like my kids sports. I like to watch my kids play sports, but that's it. I'm into my kids sports.

[43:00] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[43:00] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And I might care a little bit about, you know, like if it's something, you know, if it's local sports, but not if it's like anything national.

[43:09] SPEAKER B: No.

[43:10] EMILY DAVIS: I don't care. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I care more about like our high school teens than. Yeah, it's just more fun. These people are doing it. These kids are doing it for the fun of it, not for money. No, I'd much rather. Well, I do like the Olympics. I like to watch the Olympics. That is. That is something.

[43:31] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Well, I don't. I don't even. I don't even watch the Olympics.

[43:35] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, you don't. Oh, I love, I love the coverage because they do all of the personal stories of the athletes because they've all, like, sacrificed so much for their sport, and most of them, like, don't make it much money.

[43:49] SPEAKER B: And.

[43:52] EMILY DAVIS: So the, I like the story part about it, and then it's just fun to watch the, the competitions as well. But, yeah, I guess I like, I like sports. If it's in the Olympics.

[44:01] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. But, but the thing is, but I have other candidates say, I have other people in my family, though, who do watch the Olympics. So, like, I, you know, I've watched, like, some of that over the years, but.

[44:12] EMILY DAVIS: Okay.

[44:13] JOHN OLIVEIRA: You know, if it's with them.

[44:15] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watch it with my family as well, which is very fun. And, and, of course, we love the track and field events because my daughter's a runner, so we watch.

[44:24] JOHN OLIVEIRA: My daughter's in track and field. Right.

[44:26] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[44:27] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And, and honestly, I was in track and field, too, but that was. you know, when I was in middle school, though.

[44:33] SPEAKER B: Yeah. Yeah.

[44:34] EMILY DAVIS: No, it's. It's super fun. It's super fun to watch them. And, you know, there's always, like, a chance that, you know, that an underdog might win, which is. I think. I think why the Olympics are so cool, too, because it's like you can have the leading favorite, but they can get beat.

[44:51] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay.

[44:56] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, oh, five minutes. Yeah, and I do have to go because I have work today, unfortunately. Okay, it's been so nice talking to you. I, yeah, I'm very excited to know that you've got, you know, big plans and you've got a big future.

[45:17] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, well, thank you and.

[45:23] EMILY DAVIS: You'Re very curious. You're very curious and you're very inquisitive and, you know, you do well, you would do well in a, in a new environment.

[45:33] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[45:34] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I would eventually, you know, want, want to move out of New Jersey. I don't know when it's gonna happen, but.

[45:41] EMILY DAVIS: Well, yeah, you just have to plan it, figure out how much money you need and. kind of what your budget looks like for getting settled and seeing like of these towns, which one you think is the best, checks the most boxes. I mean, choosing a place to live is a big decision, but it's also not permanent. You don't have to stay if you don't like it.

[46:07] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, that's true too.

[46:10] EMILY DAVIS: Or maybe you could figure out a way to go temporarily and just kind of like check it out. because I would think in, especially in college towns, they're more short-term rentals and kind of short-term job situations. So you could, like, you know, just go for six months.

[46:32] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, well, I, I've never, I'm sorry, I never heard of the short-term rentals, though. I mean, I've heard of, you know, I mean, at least I don't know if that exists here in New Jersey. I don't know if we have that.

[46:45] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[46:46] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[46:47] EMILY DAVIS: I don't know. It's a. Something to. To research and explore.

[46:55] SPEAKER B: We.

[46:57] EMILY DAVIS: When we were down there last weekend, moving our daughter into college, we stayed at an Airbnb that was on a farm, and there were a lot of.

[47:05] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[47:05] EMILY DAVIS: And there were a lot of. People working on the farm, like, you know, because they were like raising goats and kind of like organic food and it was really cool. I don't know if, you know, that type of like seasonal work would be interesting to you, but I know there's always seasonal farm work.

[47:25] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I mean, I think it is though. I mean, especially if it's, you know, on, especially if it's like an organic farm too, that interests me.

[47:34] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, yeah, it was, we really, really enjoyed it. As I said, yeah, the University of Illinois has a really cool agricultural program. And so I'm sure these were probably graduates of the school who started this farm. And, and yeah, so they make extra money by, you know, setting up the Airbnb, like in the farmhouse and, but yeah, we got to like see the goats and pet the goats and they make like cheese and butter from the goat milk and.

[48:09] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And that kind of reminds me of like, you know, a couple times in, you know, I remember like going in here in New Jersey even like there was one farm I went on that, you know, it's, well, it's actually a chicken farm, but, oh, okay. Well, it's called, it's a chicken farm, but it actually, it has goats on the property and I, and I just, and I just saw it, though. I saw them.

[48:33] EMILY DAVIS: Apparently they're pretty low maintenance. Like they. They can eat, like, garbage. Like, literally are. I mean, they'll. They'll eat anything if you aren't careful.

[48:42] SPEAKER B: But.

[48:44] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, they seem. They seem to be, like, a good. A good, like, versus, like, taking care of pigs or cows. Oh, my God. I think that's a lot.

[48:53] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, yeah. Taking care of pigs or cows, probably more work.

[48:55] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[48:57] EMILY DAVIS: So, yeah, so that was actually. That was really fun. And then next weekend we're going down again to visit, and we're staying in a different Airbnb, but this time it's not a farm. It's just somebody's house.

[49:06] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, you mean you're going to, like, champagne again?

[49:09] EMILY DAVIS: Going to champagne again? Yes. We're going down for her first track meet.

[49:14] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay.

[49:15] EMILY DAVIS: First cross country meet.

[49:16] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, first cross country meet. Okay.

[49:21] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[49:21] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And I remember too that I also did cross country when I was in even, I think it was elementary school, was even before that.

[49:29] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, wow. Okay. What do you think?

[49:33] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I don't know. I thought it was like a good, I thought it was a good experience, I think.

[49:40] EMILY DAVIS: Okay. Yeah. It's hard.

[49:44] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, it could be.

[49:48] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah, she's, she's been training for it, though, so we'll, we'll see what, what.

[49:54] JOHN OLIVEIRA: The, I mean, it could be hard, like, but also, also, it's, it's interesting, too, because, I mean, at least the, the cross country that I ran on, it was a track around, I think it was Morristown, New Jersey.

[50:08] EMILY DAVIS: Okay.

[50:09] JOHN OLIVEIRA: And it was, you know, in, in a place called Greystone Park.

[50:13] EMILY DAVIS: Okay, that's cool. I think we're at time. I've really enjoyed talking to you.

[50:25] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, well, thank you.

[50:27] EMILY DAVIS: Thank you for doing this.

[50:29] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, you're welcome.

[50:30] SPEAKER B: And. And.

[50:31] JOHN OLIVEIRA: I mean, I know.

[50:32] SPEAKER B: And.

[50:32] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Yeah, I know now we're out of time, but I just hope that we would, you know, maybe one day talk about politics, but. I guess we run out of time for that.

[50:42] EMILY DAVIS: Yeah.

[50:42] SPEAKER B: Yeah.

[50:43] EMILY DAVIS: I think that's against the rules. We're not supposed to talk about politics.

[50:46] JOHN OLIVEIRA: No, I didn't. No, I think you are. You can talk about politics. Some. It's just. It's not. It's not completely against their rule.

[50:52] EMILY DAVIS: Oh, I see. Okay. All right. All right. Well, I really enjoyed it, and best of luck to you. I really do wish all the best.

[51:05] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Oh, okay. Well, thank you.

[51:07] EMILY DAVIS: Okay, bye.

[51:09] JOHN OLIVEIRA: Okay, bye.