DescriptionQuenton Stokes-Brown (25) interviews his older brother Jasen Brown (40) about his service in the Army and his various deployments.
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- Quenton Stokes-Brown
- Jasen Brown
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00:03 Okay. So how am I name is Quinton? Stokes-brown? I am 25 years old. It is Tuesday, April 20th 2021. And I'm recording from Columbia, South Carolina with my older brother. Jason. How are you doing? This? Introduce yourself? You know what? My name is? Jason Brown? 40. Today is Tuesday, April 20th, 2001 to 2021. Sorry. I'm recording from Columbia, South Carolina animal in a Michael Myers brother going to. Let's get it man.
00:45 Yeah, that's so I just wanted to kind of today, just kind of talked to you about your, you know, your military service and you know, Mom and I are recorded interview talking about, you know, Stokes and Uncle Lou in and I know her grandfather, daddy Stokes and their, you know, they're their military service and all that. We have. I know that you
01:10 I guess you went went to the military like 2001 and right after high school, so I guess kind of just
01:22 I guess you could maybe just talk about. Like, if you did you, did you ever Envision going into the, the Army, you know, I guess, you know, throughout high school when you were a kid and stuff in, what was that? Like, you know, finishing up at Ridgeview and then going into the to the Army?
01:40 Oh, yeah, so I really never honestly, thought about going into the military at high school, but is growing up.
01:51 I got accepted into a couple of schools. But I I knew like I didn't want to trick off the head and in Jackie's money. So I said cuz I I didn't get Acceptance in St. Augustine. And I was going to go to St. All. But now I just like I know I was going to buy the party and have a good time first time being away from the house and stuff. So I just kind of thought about it. I was like, let me try this military thing. So did that enlisted in August of 2001 and then I will shortly after I left. And I was able to do basic training here at Fort Jackson, South in Columbia, South Carolina. And so I was there during unfortunately, what happened in 9/11. I will send the basic training at 9:11. So it was kind of crazy. We were getting up at morning.
02:51 I kind of remember it vividly. I was doing child. You know what? You did PT and everything and I was going to try out for breakfast and we're at the door waiting on the address on the letter C in and it was crazy. The drill sergeants. They had their little section in the cafeteria and they had a TV on and you can actually see that we didn't see the actual first plane, hit the tower but we did see the timer smoking and soul from that point on that just kind of changed the course, you know of what I thought military and I never thought I would go to war or you know being that
03:29 Any chance to, you know, go overseas or anything like that. So just to kind of sit there and thinking
03:36 I mean, after all that happened, you know, you was just coming off and then when the second plane hit, this is crazy on her own soil. So, you know, this is kind of a relief. It is to hear about all the lives lost in.
03:54 Everything affected everybody, but I just like that day in particular and then, you know, from that point on that's on for Jackson is locked down on it. You know, we had to get our weapons issue to us and is steam guard at at the entrance is just broken. Lots in the building's, you know, cuz we didn't know that, you don't know anything that we just. Yeah, I don't think I really remember ever talking with you about your experience with 911. But yeah, I remember cuz I was up in Pittsburgh with Mom at that time and I was the first grade I remember the day because I remember they let the the
04:50 I was at a difference. I wasn't at that. The Waldorf School. I hadn't started. I didn't go there till second grade. I was at this other school. And I think I was only there for like the fall. I don't think I stayed for the spring, but I remember they let the parents come pick the kids up cuz they didn't, I don't think they knew what happened because, you know, the news was different cuz it wasn't as insane as it is now, so I don't think even the people at the school. They just knew that there have been some incident and I I remember them coming on the intercom and saying that something that happened in New York in that parents may be coming to pick up the kids but it wasn't until like about a year or so later that I start understanding that something really bad happened. But yeah, but I asked it's kind of crazy to think about but I do remember that day and getting picked up cuz mom is here just drop me off and then came and then came back.
05:47 You know, when it happened, so yeah, I can see that.
05:52 Yeah, so so yeah, I guess.
05:58 Going into like your, you know, I just talked about a little bit when you were first deployed. And you know, where did you go in,? What was that experience? Like and
06:10 Okay, so so have her. Let you know, I had space to train a i t I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. I was attached, I was assigned to a signal so would like to see me, you need this more of like our communication problems, you know, AT&T so went out there.
06:36 I think, I think we got out there and this was 2000 to like, June or July. I believe, you know, we arrived in the in Kuwait first. So we had to do, like, about 2 weeks, you can wait first, so, they could get everything situated for us to cross over the border. And so this time, you know, we kind of drove everywhere. So, you know, the ports and all that stuff away. So, you know, we drove from Kuwait to ramadi, Iraq, by 12 hour drive, from Kuwait, to reminder, we're getting stationed at. And yeah, it was, it was crazy man. Watching kids at the time, you know, no shoes on.
07:36 Hot desert, you know, for us, you know, you know in like 90 degrees is is hot. You know what Ariel's already like a hundred plus. So, you know, you can just kind of jail and, you know, you just feel bad, you know, this is a wide IKEA from Columbia, South Carolina. It didn't really travel too far. You know, it's just seeing you know, just how people live the cold. I was very different, you know, you would hear at night and then certain times you were here like the different prayers, you know what, you know, they had speakers on buildings out there and you can come here. Give me different prayers and stuff go up. Go off peanut throughout the day and at night and stuff. So it was just kind of
08:20 Is it a no burn experience? You know, you just need a new what was going on and you know, just traveling up there.
08:30 Yeah, it was just crazy man, you know who drove through some towns? And no one knew some of the people that like this, you know, what your things at the vehicles and you never took any small arms, fire. Anything travel up different, you know, it was a long drive cuz you're driving probably about
08:54 12 to 15 vehicles on each Convoy. And so, you know, we have it, have it staggered, you know at this at this time ideas and stuff weren't as big as they are now at it and they were prior to the first appointment with a different man and you were, you were in Iraq that time it was in Iraq, and I think it was like 2002-2003. That was the first time and then my second appointment words.
09:31 2000 2004-2005. So, you know, we are the four for the first year and then came back out and we weren't even back six months man. Cuz I guess he did such a great job at their job, you know for sure. We were falling under that they wanted us to come back out there man. So I'm just letting you know, we thought we were going to be back for about a year and you can go again, but will be less than six months man and we was going on again. So the second time I went to Iraq, we were at Camp, al-assad. That's an air base out there. So I know, you know, we were seeing somebody else for the most part. That's what you did.
10:25 Okay, and
10:29 I guess talk about your kind of your roll. Cuz if I'm not mistaken, you were like a supply specialist. So, how did you how did you kind of get into that role? Like, you know, you know cuz I know I know there's all different types of things you can do in the Army. So how did you come to pursue that path pretty decent on my ass? Back at the time, was crazy, man.
10:59 Could have told me that flies a great job. It's needed all across the Army, you know, you know, all across any branch of the service. You always going to need your Logistics Logistics. So that's what I feel like underneath and soul. My responsibilities. At the time was Mom's room. Like we're all weapons were stored, and ammunition, and all that good stuff being in charge of my property books out equipment, issue, no food, and things of that nature in a castle, real kind of like, in charge of you. Making sure, you know, everybody has with their need to successfully complete their job.
11:55 Whatever tasks and they were doing at the time. Yeah, and
12:03 And you also told me you were deployed in Afghanistan, right? Yeah, when did that, when did that happen? So that was my third appointment. So you say 2000-2011 2012?
12:21 We have went to Afghanistan and we were at Channel 4 kind of towards the west southwest of Afghanistan. It was a air base as well. At this time. I was in the aviation unit and you know, they do it like helicopters and stuff like that. She looks like I was supporting them in the supply role at the time. So yeah, it was nice. Also let you know, this is the same thing is like Iraq. It was very hot. Very dry skin.
13:03 You know, you can see the property over there, you know, you see the wars that years, you know, prior to us being born, you know, years and years of war in the body is it it's kind of sad, but I'll do that for you. I mean, that was pretty cool cuz you already knew, you know, what needed to be done at and I haven't got older. And at this time I was at 6 at the Insurgent. So, you know, that was pretty cool. I just have never experienced any need for my bill for younger or younger guys, you know, the kind of mold them and teaching Supply in the Detroit, native environment.
13:58 Yeah, and I mean, what was it like I mean, did you ever feel a lot of like did you ever feel a like scare? Like you were in danger all the timer? Like what was that lie? Cuz I feel like, you know, a lot of people think that you know
14:17 It's like, you know gun fights all the time or whatever. You know, when you're in the Army, you know, but what was it kind of did you ever feel a lot of danger or you know, what was that? Kind of like? Okay. So the first appointment
14:32 You know, we kind of looking at when we rode around. We rode around in town like soft, softshell, you know, like our doors were soft and are they weren't up armored or anything like that? I'm not really, I would have scared the first time cuz we didn't know what they really expect. But definitely like the second time. We are over there, you know, the things that change in the country, you know, they were attacking more convoys, you know, they were, you know, they're doing over there. They used to shoot a lot of rockets. So alive. Say, you know, they might stand know whatever that building with us was they might know, you know, Stan maybe a hundred yards from where are post was and, you know, just shoot off Rockets, you know, I didn't know nothing accurate, but you know, just you tomorrow. Hopefully it it hits the base or what not.
15:29 I am. So we kind of encounter that a couple of times the first time I was in a firefight, my first deployment didn't know. I was in one. Definitely, I definitely was in one the first time which was crazy. But one of the the locals Ram, the gate front gate and then caught on fire and all that good stuff in your nose, your diversion and you know, they were just shooting, you know, and we were shooting back, you know, I didn't know, I was just shooting.
16:10 For the most part I was more stationary. I did travel a little bit. But you know, we would travel, sometimes we travel in the helicopters. Sometimes we were just the cowboy in the IDS and roadside bombs and all that stuff was a little bit more active, you know, there'll be more active trying to hurt us in your way and I want to set a third time. I went overseas.
16:39 I wasn't really fearful because the debased, I was at it was a little bit more secluded and
16:47 And unless I was taking supplies to know to Alside or anything like that. I mainly was in like a helicopter. So, you know, it is scary cuz you can get shot down in a helicopter to do for the most part. You know, I kind of stayed on base, you know, mostly, you know, I would say about 60% of the time.
17:10 Okay, you're saying, yeah. Yeah, why I was really something cuz I, you know, I had a, I had a classmate from Afghanistan. When I was up at Ohio Wesleyan and he had been here, he have been living here in the US since he was a high school, but he was talking about, like,
17:40 How he got this, like,
17:43 You got license or life-threatening, like, some some mail cuz he was, he was doing something where he was helping these women in his. The time. He was from other believers from jalalabad Afghanistan. He, he was talking about, he had gotten some like threats cuz he was helping these women like learn to read or something like that, but he was teaching them how to read and write something and we all just seen that. I was like man that's kind of nice pretty crazy. Like, you know, something simple like that, you know, he got threats for just you know, a simple act like that and I just was it made me think about just the kind of culture and environment and you know the stuff that they have to deal with over there. It's a whole different world man over there man, and you know, you got everybody.
18:43 In Afghanistan is a terrorist. You know, we're trying to hurt us or just bad, you know, their intentions are that way. So, you know, it's kind of like a double-edged sword, you know, you want to help, you know, are you helping that? You know, they could be a spy could be a mold or something, you know, working to learn our ways. So they can
19:17 Yeah, and I know something else interested in talking with you about was, you know, I was talking to Mom about Stokes and, and Uncle Lou and all and all the stuff. They dealt with vacuums that they were serving their World War II. And then any no Stokes his dad was in the army during World War One. And I don't think he was ever deployed a, but he was in the, he was in the Army up in Pennsylvania at a s. I think he was actually station at 4.
19:56 Our timing was called camp. Lee at the at the time. I think I guess is Fort Lee now, but it was I think was called, can't believe back then.
20:10 In Virginia, you will see was eventually sitting down there. But yeah, but one of the things that, you know, Uncle Lou talked about his interview was like, so the racism, he countered. I don't know if I ever told you the story Uncle Luke It's your uncle's up and Cleveland what with Aunt Winnie so he was
20:35 He was in the Army briefly, but he was able to go to.
20:41 So Howard for you. And Ashley was in a dental, the dental program and then he eventually got to Pharmacy and
20:57 He was at a base in Texas and was camp.
21:09 Oakham Swift. That's what it's called Camp Swift. It's not even like you. It's not even like, I think it's still there, but it's not even like operation or anything cuz they were building. They built like a bunch of different faces, you know, during World War II. And anyway, he was sitting there.
21:31 He was only there briefly because they changed, they like to change his orders. They, they allowed him to to go to school instead of having to be deployed. And basically what he was in his interview is that when he was, he was at this Camp Swift. And there was another black soldier that he was with. Cuz, you know, they were segregated from the white soldiers and the soldier just, you know, they were talking and the soldier was just filling out. He was asking, Uncle, do you know where you're from, and stuff like that? So I just was asking him what he was doing. He was asking me these questions from this application to Howard dental school and so he can eat filled out the application for him.
22:19 And say it, you know, I'm just going to send this in for you, you know, and so then Uncle Lou got, you know, he got approved to go to Howard, you know, just off the soldier cuz this Soldier had gone to hear previous. He's going to hurt himself, but it was just an interesting story about this other Soldier. Kind of like
22:40 I think he was trying to help him out because he knew that he could have gone to school instead of having to be deployed B. I just thought that was an interesting story that Uncle Luke share. And then when he talked about is that when he was, when he was at Camp Swift.
23:01 So the day the day he left cuz they they like issue the orders to like all the soldiers in the camp. And so like, you know, everybody cuz they they were all about to be deployed. I believe to Europe and but they sent Uncle Lutz it so Howard, but what they did first is they, they transferred him to Texas A&M for brief. He was only there for like a few days, but he was talking about how
23:35 But when they transferred him there and they had this huge dining hall for like two thousand and three thousand soldiers and he was the only black soldier there and
23:49 He went he went there and he gave his papers to like the colonel. That was the, that that was in charge of the, you know, the soldiers there. And but you said the colonel look, that is his papers and looked at him. He said, he said we don't have any Edwards here. So I'm going to get you out of here on the next, you know, the next bus or whatever. So what happened is they ended up putting they ended up Google, how the few days he was there.
24:20 They would let him go to the dining hall like 30 minutes early. But before. So he couldn't. They wait until he was in his whole dining hall for like, 3,000 people by himself. Just so he wouldn't have to even be in the presence of the white soldiers when they would come in. So but it's just so crazy. But I just, you know, I try to sell that just to share and it is to get your perspective like, you know.
24:49 What were there any sort of kind of like racial things that occurred? And you know, what's kind of that?
24:58 It is, is that something you feel is?
25:02 Kind of the issue in the Army know some of the racial stuff and racism obviously is not segregated like it was back then. But you know, who's what are some of those things that you want to talk about with braces?
25:18 White's is definitely racism in the military.
25:24 You know, it song.
25:27 I mean, I know I've been racially. Profiled is Crazy. Ray's your profile while then you let Terry and then you know.
25:37 I've never been called the n-word to my face, while in the military won't let you know, like, a quick comment might be like, boy, you know, something, you know, something like that, by somebody's tongue. You know how they play Uncle Luke on sale. But you know, I've heard stories some similar like that, you know, like, you know, like we had like, you know, that the African American soldiers had your own child hose, you know, and things of that nature and they weren't always in the best of conditions. You know, it.
26:22 This is crazy, man, but I know just kind of going through the ranks.
26:29 I kind of had that diversity. You know, I wanted to get selected for certain certain things won't let you know how I might. I had them the resume and my resume might have been a little bit better, but, you know, for certain things. But then somebody might have chose somebody else that, you know, I just kind of leaves you with a bad taste and then when you try to, you know, get some clarification on, you know, you know things that you can do better. So that next time you can get it, you know, I made and then they don't give, you know, they don't give you that just to you know, what, you know, somebody else of a different, you know race, you know, they are definitely when I get back into town to put dinner in a position to succeed.
27:21 In World War II, definitely say that now.
27:27 How are you?
27:31 It is is is Deadpool, man. And
27:35 And then you come and hate it too cuz I live in military, you know, we tried not to why did was part of a part of my leadership?
27:53 In everything I do I have black soldiers to you know, so my my day was you know, I will always try to treat them and give them the same respect. You know, I would never talk bad about by anybody or any race and when I try to do, you know, once I got around me or try to incorporate everybody to do something together United, like we're going to do it as a team. This is not the black guys over here in a white guys over here, you know, cuz I mean, that's probably didn't make sure you see them a lot, you know, unfortunately, you know, we're not even when soldiers go out, you know, it's not this club black guys in our at Amazon as I learn to my PIN for my trials and tribulations. I want everybody to go out together.
28:53 One just to make sure, you know, everybody's good and nobody's acting like a spiral men in a battalion or even if, you know, you know, I have no soldiers and I talked to you almost everyday, you know, the Via social media, a call or text. You know, how I would, you know, I still try to, you know, how that pain with them just to let them know, you know, the kids birthdays and I was so happy birthday, happy anniversaries and I just to kind of keep, you know, some kind of continuity because it in today and I got Soldier might feel some way, you know, when you know, so I don't want them to say Hey song, he made me feel like this.
29:52 You know, we're all going to feel like that, you know, and I was trying to take that but yeah, man, that is and then you know, you get the soldiers to man. That's something I've never really been around black people, you know, and Anessa. And that's the issue. You know, you just try to trying to mold a young person, you know, cuz I had a guy from Pennsylvania man. White guy, love, hunting fish, and all that good stuff. You know, he was an outdoor guy, Sloan Sloan. I remember him. He's a good guy, but I can tell, you know, he was all about, you know, get hit like a campout in the weekends and stuff, but it was the type of kid that you can tell he just wasn't around you. No black socks, you know, works even being given orders from somebody of A different race or background, you know, that was, that was different, you know, and you know,
30:52 Cedar and how do conversation, you know, you don't have to like me, but I respect, you know, that I've had, you know, I want them to look back on it and they say, Hey, Sergeant Brown, treated me still, you know, he was using, you know, it was a good guy and I just, I enjoyed my time with you, you know, I think that's the best compliment, you know, or, you know, something I would want to hear back from somebody from a different race. Never been around a certain pick ramp before.
31:35 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's yeah, I was going to say I was always I was I was curious as I was watching.
31:43 I was watching something that long ago about like, it was like, so it was black soldiers like in the Air Force and they were, they were talking about, you know, some of the Discrimination I had that experience of stuff. So I was kind of curious what your experience was Miss Universe.
32:05 SI I really am. Glad I was able to talk with Uncle Lou about his experiences and I wish I could have interviewed. So cuz he was, he was actually over in Rome in Italy during World War II. So I don't know exactly what was going on. But that would have been cool to. It's a kind of get more detail. Some good stories.
32:36 Yeah, and they weren't you you cuz you were you were in Korea for a bit right here. Mm. Yeah, it was 2010 to 2011 for you. And I wish I could go back. And what was that? Like what I mean? What were you kind of Lose Your Role at that during that time at the time? I think there might have been in my head. I was in charge of so, you know, the brand new kids graduate high school, you know, fresh out, you know High School come there two different country in the whole different country trying to mold them and it was good.
33:36 I tell anybody, I love Korea, Korea, you know, from the food, the culture, the people, you know, the Fashion Is this different and it's just like a different vibe from here, you know, like the girls over there, man. That got swag, man. You like it really wearing that but, you know, that's your thing over there, man. So it was kind of cool just to kind of be able to go to different to the different locations in South Korea. I was able to go to man at this experience it. Go to travel the country a little bit man. It was a hitman.
34:29 Yeah, and what kind of cuz you were in the Army for like was like 12 years, I guess. Yeah, so what kind of influence your decision to Cana to come out the Army in and you know who sue to the career path right now?
34:46 I would say.
34:49 Next time I was trying to getting out, I had some personal stuff going on at you. But you know, I was going through a divorce. So I wasn't sure I was trying to kind of PCS and I would have reenlisted to stay in if I could have just left. I just wanted to, you know, cuz
35:16 Dennis. You know, my my ex-wife at the time she was at Logistics officer. So, you know, she is in a weird kind of bump each other, you know, we was in the same Brigade, you know, when she was a little just excited for sure and I was going to just it's not commissioned officer. But you know, sometimes you just kind of fresh. So I wasn't able to get that and then you know, just the Army was just kind of going transitioning to a to a different flavors man and I just felt like maybe the right thing for me to do. The best thing for me to do. Is it getting all that? You know, I know what big thing back in that day was trying to go overseas and get this over with money Act.
36:06 And it's kind of do it like that, you know, still do the same thing. I did in the military, but do it in a civilian contractor and the chairman and try to do. But yeah, it was just at the time, you know, I ain't going to lie to you. I miss the military. I was telling my jacket should an August, man. I would have been 17 years retiring or, you know, depending on whatever the circumstances to work stay longer. So I just know, August 1st. Man2021. I was going to be 20 years for me. So no, I kind of miss it a little bit but I'm very happy where I'm at right now. So that's not love man.
37:00 Cool. Yeah, yeah.
37:04 Something anything else? I mean, I was saying.
37:09 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say that I really admire, you know, your service cuz I don't think I would have. I don't think I would have done well in the Army. This is my personality. You still young enough? You can still get it, man. But, I mean, you like I like I tell anybody, you know, I'll talk to people now, young kids. Not even younger than you.
37:35 Army needs more if necessary in the office in the officer ranks, in the American males, females Latino Latino men, you know, you need that, you know, do you know those?
37:54 You know, what a different. We just want a different background, you know, they need that. So, you know, it's going up, you know, cuz my for my first was crazy man, my first first sergeant in the Army, he was Puerto Rican. I love first, Army weeds to do, you know, I'm sorry, you know, some tennis game like, you know, he was from New York Bronx. He was reading in the heck. Are you rolling, you know, stay with a cigar in his mouth, you know, sauce win. And, you know, you learn like the Domino's in Baku and you know, you just learned, you know you. I just learned so much from him. So it was just it was really cool. Just be like a man.
38:44 Emma. Emma is my first time being around the Puerto Rican guy. You know, I'm like, I don't know what they talked about, but it was just like giving that, you know, like I said, we need more young men to take that roll, you know, it and younger guys nowadays to getting those, you know, because it's a young guy out there, but if you see somebody that kind of looks like you and you can come to recognize a little bit, you know, it's the transition is a little bit easier for us. You know, how I would say all of us are great, but, you know, you do.
39:36 I definitely think about that, man.
39:43 Now, did they did they have a ROTC program at Ridgeview when you were there? I see, I see him at the bus stop and stuff, you know, never really over, you know, never really paid attention, man. I was more.
40:03 You know, you want to play basketball and swim and hang out and stuff like that. Man's soul. Never, really took a serious, man. You know, you were joking. Everybody. Wearing a pickle suits, you know, for those who know what, I think was like, Tuesdays. And Wednesdays, you never thought about it. But, you know, as I've gotten older and I'll try to encourage, you know, the youngers to let you know, try. I can at least try it out and I'll see if you like it, you know, cuz you know, it does help pay for school. It. Is there any, any branches of French service?
40:42 Yeah, I know.
40:47 Yeah, man, I feel like
40:50 That's kind of most of what I want to talk about it.
40:55 Was anything else you wanted to bring up anything in the other thought you wanted to add? I mean,
40:59 Yeah, I was trying to keep a PG, man. I ain't want to get no, no, no juicy. Juicy this, I don't know if we're going to send this to the Smithsonian, man. I'll try to keep it as is. Fiji in.
41:22 Yeah, man, that's kind of Hitman. So let me ask you a question to you a little bit man. Seeing what you know, now.
41:34 Did you ever think about maybe joining the service? You know it, you know what I say. I know you still young now, but you know, it's a 18, you know, what, eighteen-year-old Quincy or you know, where that be something that you would want to think about doing or what?
41:50 But, you know, I want you to be your own man, but like,
42:02 Yeah, I mean, I think you know, it it would be something a sitter because I know
42:12 You know, I know certain colleges have already like Wake Forest has a ROTC program. I don't think I don't think about what I know. I know how it was Liam didn't, but it would be something to consider I think cuz I know I was kind of thinking about, you know, your music cuz I had the music scholarships and all that stuff. And, you know, one of the things I I found out was
42:38 You know, playing the trombone and going to that the international trombone Festival. Those couple times that I worked at it, you know, I got to meet some of the
42:49 The trombone is from the the the Army Band, the US Marine band. Yeah. I saw that, you know, they were kind of talking about their experiences, you know.
43:03 You know, they said they went to, they went to music school and then they went in as an officer, you know, and you know, they had to do their auditions in August all that stuff and they nearly did basic training like everybody else so that you know, that would be something that that I could have. I could have envisioned perhaps doing that and I like all that.
43:27 That bands like the marching band and the military band music is very heavy with like brass and trombone and stuff like that. So that would be, you know, I would honestly that would be a path. I could have seen perhaps no pursuing in some way. And there was a guy at my high school that warranty that went to
43:52 He went to West Point and then he was, I think he's, and I think he's in one of the military bands. Now. I don't know what you want to have to look them up. But he was a trumpet player and he pursued that, that route B. I think it would be something I would, I would consider.
44:11 You know, I would definitely kind of have really brought me out of my shell a little bit cuz, you know, I'm kind of you no more reserved and stuff like that. But, you know, yeah, I think, you know,
44:25 I think I could have pursued a route through the music, like that through having done what I done with my trombone and and all of that. I could have envisioned. I think. Yeah.
44:50 So yeah, I think so. Where at where? At where at time about now, but
44:57 Yeah, I really enjoyed this conversation. I think this was a great. I love you, but I love you, too.