Robert Noone and Brendan Noone

00:04 Hi, this is Brendan. Noon age 41 Thursday, October 17th, 2019. We're here in Chicago, Illinois, and I'm here interviewing My Father Robert noon, and I'm in Sun.

00:20 Hi, I'm Bob. Noon. I'm I a 74 today is Thursday, October 17th, 2019 and in Chicago, Illinois, and my interview partner is my son Brendan noon.

00:39 And today I'm just have my father here in just want to have a conversation kind of talking through and understanding a little bit of what his childhood was like here. I grew up here in Chicago on the North side and was also the son of Irish immigrants that came over and part of it. I guess this to Archive this conversation hear it in his own words and you know, baby fill in some of the blanks of things that I don't necessarily know about his childhood, which is always going to be fun and interesting to have for a nice Memento, but also just to to learn more about this subject

01:22 All right. So, you know one of the things just so quickly, I guess that the agenda with the kind of talking through this could have a zit what it was like to be the first generation child of immigrants, which is pregnant. I think in this time here in America and around the world, but also just of interest in Howitzer to plays into my own individuality, but then it sort of what would apply to my kids and things that I'd love to share with them, but they quickly just set the record with a couple of things where did your parents come from and down to the closest location? Okay separately. So my mother came at age 16 by yourself from the west coast of Ireland in County Mayo near the town of Oxford the village of Kurdish.

02:16 And my father went to England first, he was also from Ireland only about 6 miles away from where my mother lived although. They didn't know each other in Ireland. He the young man and his teams went to England to make some money to Liverpool to pay for his passage to the US and so he came to the us about H20 and they both came to Chicago was he doing in in in the dental work and year? Will you said that Grandma came over when she was 16, but were so the approximate year that she came over and when did he come or what age was he in? What year was that loud 1927 for both of them for both of them age differences between for years so he came over when he was about 1:20 and you have a 16 +

03:12 How did how did they each you a heat? He funded his own travel over and how did Grandma how did she get everything together to to move over Single Living in Chicago and she wrote to her and asked if the aunt would lend her the money and sponsor her trip to the US and as much as you know and briefly just so we can move on to the talking about you but what was their passage? Like what was what was heard of their routes, you know is they they both came over on ships New York and what you know, what was their path to get into Chicago with my father about that? He died died when I was about 26 and so I didn't ask a lot of questions about his earlier life, but I did them getting some family history. You came over on a ship with that to his first cousins all been in England together and came to the us together.

04:01 My mother also came by ship and they both are landed at, New York.

04:08 I've had this image that it would have been a difficult time taking this passage to the u.s. To new land and I asked her that and she said no there's a lot of fun dancing and music every night. I did worry her wasn't embarking in the US and then taking the train from New York to Chicago. She kept thinking will be the next stop. So she stayed up all night thinking it was going to be the next stop next Philly next stop Cleveland next stop, whatever and what do they do for a living once they come to get settled here in Chicago. Each of them know, my father got a job at the stockyard in Chicago is on the South side at the time. He was asked could he drive a truck to get never driven in his life before? He said he could he said he crashed the truck.

04:54 Stay long at the stockyard. She she crashed the car not that many years later. Right? Like when she first got her license if we have it, so he got a job later. I think working as an elevator operator for a. Of time downtown Chicago and what did Grandma do she was a domestic so she live with the family. She her answered already set her up to work for a family, but she quit after the first day. They were abusive and she got another job with another family the next next day nationality of those of those people they work for I don't know. How did they meet?

05:30 I don't know. I never asked them that either but it was typical that many of the people that immigrated from the same area in the same country. Like in the west of Ireland. They would have dances on a regular basis and I'm pretty sure they met one of those dances before they married so that again my father was 28 didn't marry until she was Thirty and he was 34.

05:55 I think a big part of was just getting settled in this country inn and sending money back to the family in Ireland.

06:02 And what was the the family makeup was sort of your with your siblings and and how you know, how old were they when they had you all so my parents married in 1941. Their first Son Marty was born in 1943. He was named after both her father and his father quotes for Martin's. I was born in 1945 two years later and then my younger brother Jim was born in 1947 two years later.

06:35 And just setting the stage as we talked about in the past. Just what was it like that? You can remember the for the for them as being Irish immigrants what was communicating with family back home like for them since they were no phones in Ireland at the time. It would be just by letter. I'm not sure how many letters would usually about the three or four letters a year would come and they would write back to the family law just in a year, things are getting Christmas card or something a little bit and not only just communicating with them did did they go back to Ireland often and they were not another later, but they never went back until my my mother took the three of us when we were children and we spent the summer in Ireland and to my father didn't go back until 1965. I think so.

07:35 That was a year before his father died. So it's fortunate that he went and and what about family coming over here? Did they come often or or what was that experience like where they just here visiting or people that were trying to establish themselves and what role did me though the house or even though the apartment and you guys play with their they're coming over and visiting? Yeah, my father had an older brother and sister had already arrives and my mother had a

08:09 She didn't have any when she was the first in her generation when she had an answer and then when I was growing up we lived in the small three-room apartment 5 of this one bedroom in my family would come like many immigrant families the they would sponsor them and they would come and they would stay with us for a while until they got a job and got grounded and then move out on their own. So we had them two of the my mother's siblings and two of my father's siblings came over at different times. So there's a couple different times than just the frequency of those who it was it was it mostly people coming to saddle. It wasn't just like there was it wasn't often back then that people are coming on vacation transatlantic vacations ready for the end.

08:58 Turn the other thing in a kind of getting into the meat of like more like what was like for you that you recall talk a little bit about what your neighborhood was like what was around there. What was the sum of the make up some of the other nationalities of of other immigrant families? They're just interested in hearing about that neighborhood location and everything. I was pretty diverse community in uptown or Edgewater Chicago Northside Weezy were a number of Irish immigrant families in that area German poles when we move to block away. I was a great neighborhood to go up and saw there were Italians Greeks African-Americans Koreans Russians.

09:42 Really the whole Spectrum so is really an interesting neighborhoods I grew up in now would you say where a lot of the other children that you interact with in your neighborhood also first generation or some of them immigrants as well? And what was it kind of like communicating between you guys as a kind of neighborhood, you know, Rascals and kids running around there. And then what was it like when you would go into one of their you know how this is where their language obstacles. What was it? Like sort of just interacting with so many different types of nationalities many kids my age in the neighborhood. They all tended to be three or four years older but my older brother had good friends was a German family and they were for his friends were first-generation. So we knew that was different. I never thought of myself as being the first generation of course is a kid, right just what it is and there were a couple of

10:34 Families that were Irish Irish and the other one of them became a good friend to grade school where the same family was from the same area and Ireland is my parents were and okay. I got sitting it back and not really understanding that you were first generation or probably not even hit making much of a difference that you were part of up, you know of immigrant family. Did you see it in the other families? Did you kind of did you note of those Russian families or German families where you kind of like I like they're very different or was it just all very normal. Was it a little earlier before it was way moving. I was 8 years old into a two-flat and it was on Victoria Street. Then there was a real awareness of the differences and we would mess around with each other and have all the the names to the tonality politically incorrect. He called and Mick and they're sticking to a dago and a commie for the Russian.

11:34 Are those things so good-natured fun to write down playful is very much aware of the differences. Yeah, and

11:45 What would you say from from that time moving or in like when you were kind of sort of gain that awareness sort of as you were in grade school and then started going to school. What were some of the stories in the neighborhood? What are some of your Fondest Memories or or stories that you love kind of telling about but when I liked it was just an interesting neighborhood and there was very little supervision. So even at the age of five, I would go out on my own and explore the neighborhood. My mother would say you can't cross any busy streets, but that was it. So just exploring the neighborhood going up and down the alleys looking for pop bottles in the garbage cans to return them for $0.02 and get some candy at the candy store that kind of thing again, they wouldn't kids my age but there was an empty lot that became sort of the playground and be with them all the kids in the neighborhood would hang out there and we would deals after Christmas. We would build Christmas tree forts or no snow forts and have snowball fights and it was really thoroughly recreational area.

12:45 The neighborhood I would just say that you guys that you just heard of it sounds like maybe more so created your own toys. You didn't really have many toys are made a year. Did you guys have like inside of a small apartment where you all live inside a sort of, you know one on bedroom or so, what was what sort of things that you guys have or what was it? What were some of your prized possessions as a child growing up? I don't recall any I remember either just no cars and trucks and stuff. Yeah. I don't remember any prized to say I'm just not that you would I guess but but just comparing it to I guess today's children. You need a whole separate bedroom for some of the things that they have these days end.

13:24 What are some of the other stories I you know, I recall the one you know, where you got your chocolate milk. Talk about your newspaper route and things like that over what were you up to as attending? What age were you kind of you know starting to earn in interest either to take care of yourself or to where you contributing at all with it was anything that you were making with your with your job does a child going back to Grandma and Grandpa to help or what was that kind of like no my wants some

13:54 Hi, my folks had kids. My mother just worked part-time doing some childcare. It wasn't till later when we were all in high school. She got a job in a factory. So she was home most of the time and financially there is always coming ziyadeh more. My father's part that my mother's about finances but didn't seem to be too big of a concern. So the milk story was an interesting one. That was I think I was 8 years old and I pilfered some money out of my mother's first there was there's going to be a picnic in this vacant lot the neighborhood kids done with me think everybody was supposed to bring something no adults were involved. So I went to the I had a couple dollars out of my mother's purse. I went to the grocery store and I got a saw this big gallon of chocolate milk.

14:39 And I thought that's going to be the head of my bike to the store and then getting back with just about a half a block away or block. I had to balance 2 gallon of chocolate milk in a glass bottle on my seat. I was walking down the alley and it fell off and smashed all over the alley was over at that point, but the story didn't end there because some Hellen Carney who lived just a half a block away saw it happen and she mentioned it to my mother Cowboy. So my mother wondered where I got the money to buy.

15:21 Do I have paid a price for?

15:25 Thinking of every child who snatches a buck or two out of the light comes back to bite him. Somehow German family again Eddie Meyers. He had a paper route on at that time. They had carts that they would push with the papers and I would go along with him on his paper. I was probably eight years old and then when I was 19, I got a paper out to so with some

15:53 Usually delivered at papers at two different routes one was on Bryn Mawr and Olive between Glenwood and Ashland. And another one was on Kenmore and Winthrop between Devon and Ardmore. So it was another fun experience just the neighborhood. So getting to know people I was just kidding people would sort of you know, she was little kid delivering papers and give me a dime or a quarter and a pair of shoes once cuz you needed them. So that was sending the salary was saying I think we would get something around $14 a month. They would get paid in cash and I was pretty good about saving I would with my own plan. We got to keep the money ourselves. I would save half of it and then the other half I go to the Hobby store and get like I'm my old are playing or model shipping until Dad some

16:50 I was once a month and in a block with so many children cuz I I don't know that one kid who has the paper route, but you know.

17:00 There's a lot of kids on your block. How did you get the paper route or did other people have other paper out to another blocks just because there was a higher concentration of children. How did how did you get that job? What was it like getting that job? And how did you get it? You know? Yeah. I don't know actually most of the kids didn't have paper out. So wasn't a lot there was the main place where the papers were distributed to paper boys or just down the alley from our Apartments Myers kids that deliver papers and my older brother got a paper out. So I think I just followed that lead.

17:33 And your kind of talking like, you know right on that grade school 8 year olds. Do you know any kind of keeping on with the you know, the Irish connection and family coming over and and things like that was around that time that you actually went to Ireland, right and just curious. What was that experience like from your perspective and and going back sort of well for your for your mother going back whatever you ain't kind of realized the notice. But what was it like for you you were there the whole summer so just three of us that my mother went being a city kid being the first time in the country and just have an unlimited Freedom with the animals and exploring. It was just a liberating kind of experience and it was different. There was no running water or electricity at the time was kind of gas lights and go down to the well and get a bucket of water and bring it back over the animals that run the farm.

18:33 Horse and three cows course there was a couple dogs and chickens and pigs on a different interactions with farm animals down and just about Gene outside of the city. And and even before arriving. What was it? What did you quit this do you recall at all? What was like that preconception of what it would be like for you or like what I had you seen photos. Were there anything that shaped you or your arrival and what you had as far as expectation, there was just no way Camas. I had no idea what it would be like going there. Of course the food was not a pretty pretty pretty tasty to me at first and all I got to do like it but them just the adventure everyday and get up into this stupid donkeys to I would. Write a donkey bareback and go off on my own in the Donkey.

19:33 So is some pretty rich experience in that sense and then they were family who came my mother's father had died just the February before so there were some family that came from England and John are from the states. So it's kind of a family gathering some people I never met before we were among the oldest of Our Generation kids. So the a couple of other cousins

19:58 We're just Intense or two or three years old at the time. So we really didn't interact very much with them. So having had mentioned, you know, both grandma and grandpa being some of the first ones over and therefore a lot of their family had still been there was at that moment like when you serve realized

20:18 You have an extended family? Yeah. Yeah, but was that like that was just interesting knowing these people and a couple of uncles that you could just tell her so different and yet there could appreciate your ass kids. They enjoyed getting to meet us so is and we were there for the whole summer. We spent half the time on my mother's Family Farm and half the time. I'm my father's Family Farm and what was it like

20:48 You guys flew over there and I imagine at that time unlike now he flew into the Shannon Shannon was going to Shannon Airport couldn't fly direct from Chicago. So you had to stop at Gander Newfoundland first stop a new phone then cuz they wouldn't have a fat burner Fuel and then from there too. And that was kind of like an international airport for a lot of ever any European travel was through there. We landed in the middle of the night. I probably about 2 or 3 in the morning in Ireland was the plane ride like exhilarating was it and

21:27 How long was it a few hours to get up? Was it a half a day for you guys? How did you travel to get up into Mayo back to the Farms? I live two oceans of roads in and gas like that. My mother's brother met us there. He was one of the few people in the village that had he was the only one in the village that had a car. So it was nice. He picked us up and I remember just I think I slept all the way back to the farm when we got there was some Daybreak so it probably took five or six hours at that time.

21:59 And any good interactions of with farm animals, you know, that's I'd like you rub the donkey in the bareback or are you know anything with the cows or eggs out of their the farmer? What what kind of things are you doing there there in 2 milk the cows and one experience at them again just being survive on my own at 8 years old and it was on the noon Farm. Of course, we were raised with cowboy movies. And so I decided I won the last Super One of the cows. So they were these some you were about twelve Cavs on the noon firm and I make got this last two and I was going to try and let's see one of them in all these calves went into one corner of the fields and it was like stone walls on either side and I have them cornered and I thought I'm going to assume some chicken wings in a panic and they ran towards me they ran over me as I laid in the mud fortunately and you know, I didn't get hurt but it's not like the movies.

22:59 Like that the show so Roy Rogers and then 8 in wide and I'm on the donkey. I wanted him to jump over the stream and he just stopped and I started kicking him you wanted to get him to jump over the streets and all the sudden. He just took off and I fell off but I grabbed on the next I was upside down hanging on to his neck with my feet on his back until he tired out and wrote him out. They went from bare back to Bear Valley returning you guys all came back and you can back to school you had missed a summer on the baron lot playground that you guys had we know did you feel did you feel that there had been any change or any different kind of going back and just seen what that was was like even retrospect now what role that trip may be played in in a big change was my parents bought their first m home.

23:59 So that was at the summer that following we came back we moved into that to plan. So that was a big move reach moving from this tiny little place this to an apartment with two bedrooms. So there was some big difference. That's why some Victoria more space. Yeah, right.

24:18 So you guys rented out the bottom floor and everybody was headed upstairs. And so coming back 8 9 years old you're in grade school. What was what kind of school were you in where you insert would like the public aware. There was another peasant and we were taught by the nonsense. So there was a small school just one class in each year 48 kids in our class 32 boys and 16 girls that he has had to deal with.

24:56 It was interesting is very stable at that time. I would have 48 kids in 8th grade. Probably 44 of them had gone from first grade to 8th grade. Same class every year so really got to bring he was always different no different times each other since 7th and 8th grade that I needed to be. Yeah. I'm sure he'll 48 kids wouldn't pass the ratio of the teacher teaches children these days and

25:25 And you were you were also part of the church as well as on the weekends you were doing your altar boy or boy during that week you survive if you get a mass like a 6 mass or a 6:30 mass in the morning. He served that time slot for the whole week. So they had that time. It's hard to believe today, but they would be a 6 6:30, 7:00, 7:30 and 8 Mass every day that people would be attending of course, of course as a Catholic child in the Catholic school system in the late 50s or so at that point or early 53 Chevrolet 50s.

26:05 Any Shenanigans inside his naughty boy and a lots of shenanigans? Yeah, kind of.

26:13 Was it was it more about trying to make the other kid crack up during mass or what sort of things that you guys would be a part of the one of the worst thing we do is disturbing at a funeral and you'd be surrounded in the casket and you'd try to make one of the other kids laugh during the funeral funeral the normal thing. You've got to entertain yourself. I guess. What do you finish up a saint ita's and then into into high school. Where did you go to high school? I went to a seminary as I was a kid trying to think about. What do I want to be when I grow up at eight grade highest status person in the neighborhood was the CTA bus driver. He had a uniform. I came home every day from work at the right time.

27:02 And I thought play these priests really haven't made in life. You know, they don't have a schedule they play basketball. They seem like a pretty good life. So I thought that is something I would like to do. So and I think that that appeal to me. So I went to the cemetery witches in downtown Chicago and rush and Chestnut at that time and that was a great experience because I brought me out of the neighborhood and they were kids in the whole Metropolitan neighbor area from suburbs in Chicago and just developing friendships from kids all over the the metropolitan area and still a similar type of obviously pays around Catholicism similar type of ethnic backgrounds and things like that as well or do you like the German Italian and polish?

27:52 And Irish those are probably the principal. Yeah coops. And what were some of the other things that you saw on your neighborhood other or jobs that you saw the other parents that you know, you were trying to figure out what you were going to be aspiring to be inspired to do and be gay become what were some of the other jobs that you saw everyone else in that weren't on your list or that you said they'll he'll know. I'm not doing that awesome factory jobs cab driver what you actually it was pretty appealing the cab driver had a car. We didn't have a car or something like that and I wouldn't really know what a lot of the other adults were doing stealing. My father had a number of different jobs, and he would have split shift. So he work a day shift and night shift and afternoon shift. So that was not very appealing just to think I'm really kind of doll work, but one that wasn't very appealing at all and as the neighborhood got together.

28:52 Or you know even some of the other family that was around what were some of the you know, what was it was a typical week weeknight dinner or what was it? Like when you know family came over to family come over often to you know get together and what was it sort of like just sort of Anna and two off and it was pretty much just the immediate family except for holidays and

29:16 It was really acting like Easter Christmas Thanksgiving. The larger family groups, but for the most part it was just the five of us. My father was wasn't working at that time. And well, you know, my mother was a great cook but it's just a standard meat and potatoes kind of meals, but that yeah, she was a great cook and a great baker. Yeah.

29:37 And we're talking about kind of early 50s. We noticed an think about was going around going on around there.

29:44 In that time of either, you know, some of the organized crime and things like that was it was any of that affecting and did you notice it was it was a prominent was it not even just in your neighborhood or do you know you said, you know bus driver know you've spoken about like this police officer. There was some of these other. You know things that you were aspiring to be and what was that what was that? Like what were some of the things that you saw in your neighborhoods like in reflection on you know, I'm a very safe neighborhood. So I didn't see any of that. There was an incident. I think I might have mentioned that to you once about them into this one family that was killed was in my class who is rumored that the family was in organized crime didn't mess with him too much. But then one day when we're going to school apparently someone attempted to bomb their house, but he picked the wrong house and he trips and blew himself up and

30:45 Yes people see that is tragic it as kids. We all ran and we just thought it was great to see.

30:50 See this phenomena, right guy blowing up is pretty amazing and everyday experience and I guess you don't get this kind of like that movie Stand By Me. Like, hey, let's go. Let's go. Look at the dead body. Right and so, you know high school and sort of coming-of-age. What was that? Like, you know as now you said that first, you know, I didn't realize that and you said in the past. I didn't really realize that I was first generation child or I didn't know that my parents had an accent. What was that? Like when you kind of started coming to age and realizing or are you know and meeting others that you sort of your perspective looking back on your family or you know, and just kind of talking about having been in Ireland and now you coming back and going through and becoming an adult. What was that kind of liking with the perspective towards family and things like that?

31:50 I don't know. What's good question. I am through her family gatherings and weddings and funerals and wakes and so there was a Gatherings of larger community at various times. I think I strongly identified with that, but it was not them.

32:05 Sending it seemed perfectly special to me at the time the family weddings. Of course, we're always fun. Just family. But keep on the Irish Community that time all the kids will be invited. You know, you'd have a couple hundred people there and it's just a lot of fun and now, you know, you've you've talked a little bit about in and have you know, I guess I'm still in myself and you know, brother and sister things like that the importance of family and I've seen how important family has become to you and you sort of really reconnected with the family over in Ireland and even with siblings of your parents that they had just lost touch with door that you know, there had been something kind of in between them. I guess some of the conflicts over what was some of that that you when was it that you kind of realize, you know, I need to reconnect more with that family having only really been there what once at years old. When was that kind of. That you wanted to get back?

33:05 I'm out of my work. I got interested in Psychology and spend the whole in college. I was so it's not a good student in high school never really worked out then College my mind's her to caught fire and I got interested in thinking philosophy in Psychology. And the whole idea of know thyself was something that really stuck with me and it was until I got a job. After I came back from the Peace Corps with state mental hospital and I was going to go into psychology and it was a it was a world-famous family therapist from Madison, Wisconsin to add garam consultant every month and was a program that we would do family therapy in the home. This was in I spoke Spanish at the time. So it see I didn't have experience but I was on the team and we would just see if instead of hospitalized in someone who is psychotic or suicidal. We would say we would meet with the family in the home and the next day.

34:04 And so they could be five people that could be 25 people who would show up for the meeting to talk about what was going on in the family. And then I'm it just was fascinating. It was a brand new field research going on at put some interesting. So I got caught up in that and then realized in terms of knowledge about self so easy to analyze yourself and got all these different approaches, which is not an interesting but it's all subjective and then you can't really a praise which is going to be more accurate or not. But if the idea which I found to be accurate that we were part of a family and if you know the family you can observe the family and learn more about it. And if you do that you automatically learn more about yourself and then sort of separating oneself out from the family and the sense of growing up a little bit more. So that's when I got interested realize how much I didn't know about family. I can see patterns and families that I was seeing clinically, but I couldn't see the pattern to my own family. That's her to bug me thinking I've got to be up.

35:03 Cetus get more objective about the family and the family was just exciting Enterprise still is all these years.

35:13 So going back recognizing then that I didn't know a lot of his family. That's when I decided I would make a trip over there. So I got to meet the aunts and uncles in Ireland and England and Scotland was kind of a diaspora people sell family is very few remained in Ireland of my

35:33 My parents my father was one of 12. Am I?

35:36 Mother was one of 11 and very few of them remained in Ireland. Most of them. They went to England England, Scotland Australia the states in South Africa, so it was some

35:48 A real intriguing things to go meet family and get to try and get to know them to learn more about the family history for me to them. And what's up with the the store that we kind of spoken about with you first trip over the you were in your twenties. What was that? Like when you first went over to go track down some of the relatives that you ended up in Scotland and it's very intimidating. I was kind of I knew I was young and I hadn't met these people didn't know much about them. But so I was very anxious about it, but I was welcomed and it was just kind of a great experience. So yeah, I think it's the story about them.

36:27 Getting my mother's older brother. I never heard anything about him. But he lives in Scotland and a small village and it was a village called kokkuri.

36:36 And I drove up to his house and I saw this gentleman with shock of white hair up on the ladder painting his roof, and I went up to him and said is this to Port Street? And he stopped painting you look down at me and said it is

36:53 And he went back to painting and I said damn are you Jim McNulty?

36:59 And you stop painting look down at me and said I am then he went back to painting again. And I said well, I'm about noon your nephew from Chicago. You stop painting look down at me and said, how are you anyway back-to-back? Can I get out of here and disappear quickly, but fortunately his wife and oldest daughter came out and invited me in and I did get to know him. I made them three trips over the years and went to his funeral when he died. So I got to know that family well and you're saying that even even at the women of the family had kind of been

37:38 Welcoming you in probably had some some teething like that and that you ended up. He just sat in the corner right after he was done painting it came in and we're done with the teeth. She said to come on. Let's go to the pub.

37:55 And and from that point for league in a bit that kind of reconnecting with them cuz I said remember you looking in collecting the the family's history and An ancestry long before there was an ancestry.com the kind of did a lot of this for for, you know, it's on its own that you really kind of pissed a lot of that together and and always made it a point to to get over there for funerals and weddings and things like that and even know got myself interested in siblings over there quite a bit in in retrospective of just getting us over there and Grandma bringing us over there and things like that and you know even to this day just you know, appreciate appreciate you sharing that that love for family and Heritage as some of those serendipitous. Like I said, it was too professional. I don't know if I would have ever have done it the same degree that I did, but it was really one of the great time.

38:52 Happenings in my life and to know and making those connections that have continued and are going to continue into the future. It may not have happened if I didn't do that. So, yeah, so pretty privilege to be in that position. Well, I appreciate you coming in and doing this today. This is a lot of fun and you know, I wish we had another 40 minutes, but thanks for asking me if I have some fun. Enjoy doing it. Love you Dad.