Robin [no name given] and Bob Friedman

Recorded June 23, 2020 Archived June 23, 2020 52:08 minutes
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Robin [no name given] (73) speaks with her friend Bob Friedman (72) about the people who were the kindest to them, their dislike for politics, lying and unfairness, and the current political climate.

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Robin talks about a bad experience in a one-room schoolhouse with a scary teacher but a friend Annie Martell (who later married John Denver and was the namesake for "Annie's song") helped her by telling her to say she sang soprano so she could stand by her.
Bob talks about his neighbor, the late Elliott Royce, who was the father he wishes he had.
Bob says he doesn't like politics, has not financially supported candidates but has participated in some marches with his church and written letters to the editor. He says he wants a t-shirt that says, "You are unique just like everyone else".
Robin says she doesn't find politics interesting. She protested the Vietnam War, doesn't think highly of politicians, being lied to bothers her more than anything else.
Robin talks about divisiveness with relatives going back to President Nixon regarding his lying and not admitting wrongdoing. She was instilled with right and wrong. Bob says his nature stems from his strict, judgmental father and his mother's death when he was a child. So he was always thinking about the underdog.
Bob says he's glad he's 72 so he's not going to be around long enough to see how today's political climate turns out. Robin says the Republic is in danger and we can't survive another four years of Trump.


  • Robin [no name given]
  • Bob Friedman

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00:01 I'm robbing. I'm 73. Today is Tuesday, June 23rd, 2020. I live in Minneapolis Minnesota. I do not have a partner. I only have a cat whose name is Papi. Your partner's rock is Bob.

00:22 Bob and I are friends. Sorry about that lives in the house. My cat does talk so she can she could be interviewed. I was born born and raised in in Minnesota southern Minnesota. I think I'm a 4th generation immigrant to the intro and then you can go on to the other one.

00:47 Hi, my name is Bob Friedman officially, it's Robert Robert Friedman. Legally, I guess but I usually go by Bob June 23rd 2020 today Minneapolis, Minnesota. I'm partnered with Robin and she is a friend from church to

01:11 Now you can go Robin. Okay. Sorry about that. I was born and raised in Minnesota.

01:18 My my family has always been very very close to that 4th generation immigrant on both sides. My great grandparents on my mother's side came from Sweden my grandparents on my father's side came from Wales and they all ended up in the same small town in in real Minnesota. I went to the University of Minnesota where I majored in journalism. I actually I loved my father had a newspaper. He he worked a newspaper even as a child and then my parents owned a newspaper and so he was quite pleased that I ended up going to journalism school and after working in advertising for 5 years. I left Minnesota went to the Caribbean. I have an interest in sailing and I went to Caribbean and worked as a cook and deckhand on large sailboats. The the last boat I was on which is parvo is 136 feet. It went to the Panama Canal.

02:18 And took me to California where I I ended up staying and live there for almost 30 years.

02:29 I I have had probably five different career career types in my life with a journalism. I have work done on my first job in Minnesota was what does community relations in a hospital in St. Paul and then in California, I I did in a printer's place that I was office manager there, but it also worked as a photographer and I see what else I like I said, I worked as a deckhand cook and boats micanopy animal and went back to school when I got laid off from from the printer and California went back to school and how to program. So I became a computer programmer and I did that for four twenty six and a half years the company had an office here. So I when my mother got sick, I I transferred from the office in California to to the office.

03:29 Are in Minnesota and then my mother passed away right away extra before I even transferred and so I ended up staying in in her house because my brother wanted to say and live in Minnesota so I can get to know his his kids better. And so I've been

03:49 I have been here now since 2003 and got involved with the with the the church. I had never heard of Unitarian Universalist for and a friend of mine goes to church and stay Paul and it's kind of hard to go. So she did what you do know that there is a church similar to church right down the street from you, right? No, I didn't know that so I went there and found it very interesting.

04:18 And so

04:21 What are the things that I am interested in is his breeding? And so I joined the original peace Circle quiz, we were reading a book on peace and it's just kind of gone on there for a number of years working working rest of the peace Circle at church and I also and the a volunteer in the church library because I love books.

04:44 And I'm finding being locked up in the house kind of confining and and I've even gotten tired of reading sometime which is strange for me considering I'm accustomed to read the numbers books every month. So it's body act.

05:03 All right. Call me to go.

05:07 You held up two fingers, but she can't see them, right? Yeah, I saw them but I I didn't know everything else to say so I quit any video. No, it can't it can't send my video, but I can see both of you. Sorry about that. Cargo. All of my relatives are there. I also from the old country Poland and Austria guess Jewish history of the Jews in Europe. Nobody everybody fled there before on World War II, so we don't have any Holocaust memories, but I certainly have a very deep history of the Jewish faith in and being Jewish and growing up in Jewish families, though. I myself was not terribly religious. My father moved us here in

06:07 1850

06:09 1 maybe 15 1950 I think moved us from Chicago to Minneapolis because of his work and that's how I grew up in St. Louis Park went to St. Louis Park schools all the way to high school then went to the University of Minnesota specifically journalism advert some advertising some photography a little bit of everything. I came out of the University of Minnesota. Well, I don't want drama and feed her. I was in a lot of plays in high school. And and so I continued some theater background until somebody said you really want to try to make a living and Cedar you might want to try something else. So I became a photographer. I was freelance freelance photographer for 25 years, maybe.

07:05 My mother passed away when I was 16 in high school. She had been sick for about eight or nine years with something some kind of leukemia or blood disease or whatever which probably today would have been would have been terrible. But I'd my dad met my stepmom and they got married in 1966 and she just passed away last week at age 98. So she was my stepmom for 55 years.

07:45 Was married. I did not get married until I was in my 30s 8 38 years old, maybe maybe older my first wife and I never could figure out physically hurt because of physical problems with both of us. We never had kids. So we adopted two kids from Korea each kid had a full family back in Korea who had to give them up for adoption for personal family Logistics and issues. And so I helped I became a house husband help raise those kids for 12-13 years and photography careers. Thank you for my photography career kind of fell to the Wayside as my first wife continued her career as a speech.

08:45 Teacher professor at Hamline University and so we kind of kind of car the splitting apart in the late 90s and we were divorced in 1998-99. That's what I found first Universalist Church and and also started a new career as a handyman and Pixar Pixar kind of person. I had a stint with United Way fundraising for United Way, and that was a really interesting part of my

09:21 Sauce that I do but I like a lot of different things. I've been self-employed. Basically my whole life except for that United Way thing and a couple other odd jobs here and there so I got married again in 10 years ago this weekend actually to Debbie cash. I met at first Universalist Church. We had a lot of things in common and we bought a house together and 11 years ago.

09:51 Got married and life is been interested in good since then. It's been Bittersweet one of my key words is Bittersweet for a lot of issues because I did lose my kids in the in the divorce. So I really have not had kids for 10 15 years now, maybe more and kind of have lost contact. So not sure all of what I've been doing and I love gardening and odd jobs and fixing things and I still have a few clients that I do handyman work for but mostly I'm retired and just busier than I would like to be

10:33 Great, just just a couple notes Robin. If you can try to not make noise, whatever it is that you're doing. I can't see you but it's quite loud on your computer's microphone. I leaned forward maybe that was it right by you hear my breathing better. It's some sort of pottering around papers. Maybe not sure but it's quite loud. Whatever it is. Is it all I don't I don't know what it is cuz I can't see but just letting you know just try just try to stay as still as possible.

11:18 Cities next sets of questions you're going to ask them of each other. So they're written down in the text, but you will ask them don't just read it in your mind. So say it out loud to each other as a as a question. I need to go. However you want to do that. And as you as you get to the what looks like you got answered each answered the question. I will put the next one in.

11:43 How much time do you want us to spend on that? That's up to you?

11:51 Robin can you tell me about someone who has been kindest to you and your life?

11:58 The the first thing that comes to mind when I was in sixth grade, we lived in in a small small town when my parents are gone the newspaper and then and they sell the newspaper my dad started working in St. Peter at a larger newspaper where my brother also worked as a photographer and we moved from a town where I went to a one-room schoolhouse with one teacher and eighth grades in one room to St. Peter where there were six different rooms of 6th graders alone 30 in each class.

12:38 And it was it was a very bad experience. I was terrified that the woman was that with Todd was probably very nice. But to me, she was like ten feet tall and 4 feet wide and she scared me to death and they had a policy for giving people kids milk in case you weren't getting enough milk amount. We always have plenty of milk does my family drink a lot of milk, but I've never been able to digest milk early in the morning and makes me sick.

13:09 She would always insisted. I take the milk which just made things worse and the person who sat behind me. Her name was Ann Martell. She actually later married John Denver, but

13:23 I was I was scared and I would I was afraid of this woman. I would start to cry cuz we we moved the last 6 weeks of 6th grade and they had a book on Minnesota History, which was probably about 600 pages long. I'd never seen the book before and had to take a final exam on it. Obviously never read it. I hadn't even seen it anyway, so they they went around the room and we were going to be singing for choir. I never heard about about the different types of thing for singing and so and wait for word whispered in my ear. She says tell her you sing soprano than you can stand by me when we sing.

14:08 And I have remember that I don't know and Martel anymore, but that that was one of the kind of things that has ever been done for me because it wasn't one of the other things that happened in the school. I never heard of the parts of speech either and they go around the room with a sentence and say what part is this and I'm like, I've never heard the word noun. I've never heard of verbs adverbs adjectives. It was it was one of the it was probably the worst experience. I've had in my life but to this day, which is many many years ago. I remember and Martel 424 Whispering just tell her you sing soprano so you can stand by me.

14:48 That was a major kindness.

14:54 So, can you tell me Bob about someone who has been kind as to you and your life?

14:59 Sure, I would have to immediately tell you about my friend Elliott Royce Elliott live to be Ninety Six. He died about four or five years ago this month, I think and he I knew him from my childhood from growing up in St. Louis Park down the block. He actually was the father that I wish I had had my father was pretty strict and Panda pretty hard on me and and worked like a devil to help pay my mother medical expenses and things like that. So Elliott was just always in my life and he was kind of everybody actually there wasn't a person who didn't know or didn't like Elliot Royce out in St. Louis Park, but throughout his life. You just get stuff with me took me on an airplane ride. He was a pilot in a small plane. He had a Chris-Craft boat that he took us out.

15:59 Rides, but in later life, you know after after my mom died, I think there were times where it where you would just call out of the blue and just how the hell I was Bob today. Tell me about Bob and and just constantly did nice things gave me a membership to something or help me do something or another. It was really he was really an amazing man. I once said Elliott, you're just you're so nice. You're you're always asking me first before I can ask you how you know, what how the hell are how you doing Bob? I just think that's really kind of cool that you do that and his response to that was something I'll always remember and I use this for quite often. He says well Bible tell you

16:51 I never learned anything while I was talking.

16:54 So that's me has really stuck with me and and it's kind of important in the storytelling thing that we're doing is really about listening and it's really impressed me. So I I don't always do a good job being being a listener, but I I tried to

17:17 My wife doesn't think I'm a good listener cuz I tell the same joke over and over again to friends, but that's still taking trampoline lessons at 85 questions in there now.

17:38 Robin why did you want to do this interview today? Well, I've been part of our peace action committee or Circle or whatever. We're calling it now since the very start and we've been looking for ways to to

17:56 Communicate better. I think what people regarding peace and give him the the hole blocked at home sort of thing. This this has come up as for the one way that we can we can still potentially try to to learn to communicate with each other the other group we were working with we had training sessions that can't I can't happen because of people having to stay apart. So this is just for me is is a good way to still try to learn how to communicate effectively. I think I probably don't listen enough and I think one of the things I need to learn how to do is listen, I like I pop I like to think about it never learned anything. Well while I was talking to us a good one, I like that.

18:44 So why did you want to do the interview today?

18:49 Well, I am curious about this process and curious about how he's going to work on a on a larger scope with in our church Community. I've always believed that communication in our church Community is somewhat lacking even though we attempt to go to the website through the website, we do attempt to communicate well and and keep people informed and so on and so forth but transparency is always been an issue for me with our church with the staff and and committees and people the board that transparency always think is lacking a little bit then and I think there needs to be a better way for us to

19:46 Have interpersonal communication with each other and work on this transparency thing on learning more about each other. I mean just in that five minute opening Robin you shared with me things about your life that I didn't didn't know you were live somewhere else for 30 years old my gosh that's incredible order that you know, you were a photographer and I've been up or some of the other things that you mention where we're pretty interesting that that kind of thing is doesn't happen necessarily cuz that church is a lot of small talk or how you doing. How do you feel whatever and we tend to not really get deeper into people's lives in this day and age so,

20:40 I wanted to learn more about how what the process is he or how it's going to work in and whether or not it is going to be feasible for us to expand on it at church.

20:57 Totally up to you guys now unless you want me to post more questions.

21:00 Well, yeah, I was just I guess I like the questions we may have been at the University Minnesota journalism school at the same time. We very well could have been well, I was here. Yeah, I graduated in 69. I I change schools and Majors, but I actually was hired as a photographer cuz I took the photo photo journalism classes are at the University. Yeah. So what was that? What was that guy's name who ran up photography stuff you remember that? I said, yes. I can't think of it all the sudden. He's the reason but he's the reason I first picked up a camera cuz we had assignments to take pictures of things that were what was the deal we take pictures of something.

22:00 Assignments and I had an old Minolta SRT 101 I think is what I started with.

22:07 And yeah, and so we took God I said his name is on the tip of my tongue here was the guy who wrote the state and Charlie's book was was used as the basic book in my journalism class at Mankato and that's what made me decide to transfer for Mankato to the university and Charlie was still still there at that point Charlie Charlie. He was quite he he retired shortly after that. They were it was quite old. But yeah, I remember

22:47 I remember being in the photo journalism classes back when the Democratic Convention took place a people from my class. Actually they went and the one ladies boyfriend got actually got beat and got pulled into a hotel to to try to wipe off the blood and protect them from being beaten by the by the police there, wasn't it? I was you know, I was at the University of Minnesota that started in 66, I guess the fall 66 and the first two years ago. I was in theater because that's what I like so much in in high school. And so I was really I changed over to journalism in the third year when people told me to take a class from Lynn Bart and he was a t e he was doing a class on television production.

23:43 That was really a fascinating and I just fell in love with TV production will use these little black and white cameras with with a zoom APUSH of pushrod. That was the zoom it was so weird and dumb compared to what we have today, of course, but they really change my life around and terms of joining more things in advertising and journalism yassi. I started the fall of 666. Also I I transferred in but I I went straight into journalism school, but I I I was more in I did all the photography classes, but it was was more directed toward newspapers and Communications as opposed to advertising although later on when I worked in California. I work I did advertising for housing developer.

24:35 I did I did camera ready artwork. I actually made the artwork working and and did like full page full page ads for the LA Times on Sunday. So it's so we can sell houses we had we had seven housing tracts that we are selling houses in back then just so you get the opportunity to do you can always do another kind of another one of these interviews on personal stuff personal political. Okay. You want to go first This Time by did you describe? How could you describe an in your own words your personal political values? And what issues would you say are the most important to you?

25:23 Well, I don't like politics. Basically. I have a I have a saying down in my workshop. I don't know where I got it from but it can't remember the author Pierre or p8 somebody it says politics is itchy business and and I kind of go with that. I just I've never really been a political person. I have not financially supported very many political candidates War political

26:02 Fundraising kind of situations. There's so many to choose from I'm liberal in the sense that and I feel like I'm a Democrat. I feel that you know, I just have always grown up that way. I guess coming from St. Louis Park or very liberal and an easy-going suburb of Minneapolis in the in the fifties after World War II and the Korean War just like most of suburban America life was easy and good and mom was home and Dad worked and it was a father knows best kind of world that I grew up in. You know, we can go ride our bikes after dinner until it was totally dark outside. No worries or parents didn't worry life is good.

26:52 And as far as you know, getting interested in politics, I've never really I've done some marches and and you know through church probably got more interested in politics through people at church who wanted to get some things somehow. I got involved with having being the caretaker of that earth ball that we have a church and I we did some marches with that earth ball on the capital and down Hennepin Avenue.

27:27 But I never really joined, you know of political group of per se I probably wrote my my you know, some editorial do letters to the editor once in a while back then after college and whatever.

27:50 So, I don't know maybe I'll user you know what I really feel that like like our beliefs and being a Unitarian Universalist that we are here to serve people and that we need to make life better for those who have less than us, and we need to share our well.

28:11 Yeah.

28:15 And and we need to know the whole black lives matter and all lives matter. Everybody is important than everybody deserves to be free and to have their ideas and their thoughts.

28:32 Out there and accepted as their beliefs not necessarily.

28:40 Accepted by them, but accepted that they are they are real and that they are valid just like everybody else.

28:48 The bad guy. I have a t-shirt that I always wanted to make maybe someone's already made it but it would say you are unique just like everyone else.

29:02 So that to me says a lot about I guess how I feel about people and

29:11 Celtics

29:17 How about you? How can you describe in your own words your political values? And what issues would you say are our most important to you never really been into politics either. I never found it. Very interesting. Actually. I do remember as a child Hubert Humphrey who would have been running for offices and I don't remember which one at this point came by the newspaper to speak with my dad and I remember that but when when I was at the University and after after the university, I remember going on marches against the war in Vietnam, but I've always identified as as a liberal. I think there was one campaign. I got involved with temporarily one-month summer think it was a presidential the person actually having remember now who was it was running. This goes way back to probably 1968.

30:20 But but I cuz I have friends in and save all who love politics and they both totally get involved and they like to argue and I don't I totally dislike argue. It's not I totally believe in in rights for everyone and willing to work for it. But but I guess I I don't think highly of a lot of the people who are in politics. It seems to me there. They're very

30:49 They're very much in it for themselves. And that bothers me. I've always said that that the one thing that bothers me more than anything else is being lied to and it was our current president. That's a hard one. It's like it's like I can I can deal with any situation in any any crisis. I'll help I'll help we'll get through. It. Just don't lie to me about it. And so so obviously I have a great deal of problems with Trump because he doesn't seem to know how to do anything. But lie, but but yeah I have I have no interest in working on campaign, but I do very much believe in in Black lives matter and I believe in and equal rights, and I I believe in in

31:35 I believe in the whole ecology and and climate change and all those things too. And I want to work with him and I know we've got to change the laws, but I just again have no interest in politics or say I've tried to listen to the Senate that the this last week when they were they had the special session.

31:57 And I'm sorry, but I just get bored stiff after while just like they go on and on and on and say nothing that I personally I would say it cost $100,000 for that week. None of them accomplished anything. I would say though that money should be paid to them when I worked I had to work to get paid and I think they should have to work to get paid to sorry, but if you don't if you don't work and you don't get anything done, then you don't have a right to get paid. I don't think so, but I don't have I don't have a great deal of interested in working with politics or say issues. Yes, but not but not politically.

32:41 Call Cass. I'm not that politically involved in whatever but I am very opinionated as you well know from my postings on Cyber coffee hour probably save or coffee or by the way is the church related. What do you call a Blog I guess and and so we do have a communication with congregants through the Cyber coffee hour and I am up often will chime in discussing or commenting on certain aspects of church goings-on. And so I am I'm kind of political in that sense.

33:33 With church related stuff and you know what? I think that's it's with my my beliefs partly in that transparency issue that I mentioned but also just fairness I think is is

33:50 Like you said yours is not not being lied to mine is not seen fairness in in society or in processes and and way things are handled and I am I'm I'm with the group of people at church who do not like our policy governance top-down type of policy governance that I think Jen's to keep the the congregants kind of on the outside as decisions are being made for them. And and that really hurts me a lot having decisions made for us or for me when

34:31 I haven't had a chance to to see all sides or to hear all sides or to be able to make suggestions or to just be part of the process.

34:42 So not since I am, I am political in in that kind of way. I'm wondering if there was a time that caused you both to shape that I've been with not liking people who lie to you Bob with not liking unfairness. What caused you both to have those?

35:05 Stringent beliefs in that way they're good ones, but is there something that happened to both of you. Either of you?

35:13 That's good question. I'm going to have to think that's who I'm trying trying to think when I ever have been it's it's like I consider myself very lucky that my parents ended up being liberal my my aunts and uncles

35:33 Basically, they they are very conservative and my one cousin in and he lives in Burnsville. Now, it's impossible to talk to him about anything because he just thinks Trump is the same that goes all the way back to Nixon when they were living in Chicago on my brother and his then-wife and and I we drove to Chicago to visit that mean I kept saying if Nixon would just admit what he did the country would forgive him. Oh no. No. No, he didn't do anything wrong. He's just saying he's a fight and I kept saying he did what he did if he just admit it and not lie about it. I think everybody would say, well, you know, it was wrong, but we'll just get over it.

36:17 But he never admitted it then you know what happened to him. So but but I grew up is like my grandparents my grandpa. My grandfather particular was the kindest gentlest man. I don't I don't think that man would have ever known how to tell a lie and lie. The family legend about him is is the worst thing anybody ever heard him say he was a farmer he was milking the cow the cow kicked the pail of milk over. My grandfather says Blame call.

36:53 That was that was the most of your thing anybody ever heard him say

36:58 And so I guess and he was he was a big part of both my life and my my brother's life in particular because my dad was gone in World War. I and my mother and my brother lived out on the farm with with that my grandparents while my dad was was in the Marine Corps. So yes, I think I think my grandparents and my my grandmother in the other side as well. They were just they were very honest people. I I'm trying to think and I will have to think of the future if somebody did lie to me at some point and that's what spurred the whole thing, but it's like I wasn't still with some pretty basic.

37:38 Ideals of what's right and wrong and how you treat people and how you you know handle people and that that that came from my parents and and a lot for my grandparents who are very kind and very loving and we used to go to the farm every every weekend and have a big meal and

37:58 I'd help my grandfather feed the chickens cluck the eggs and feed the pigs.

38:06 I think for me.

38:11 My my kind my kindness and fairness and giving nature probably stems from my early years with my father was very strict.

38:24 And and the whole family knew it and he had many instances of he didn't talk to an uncle of his for 10 years or 15 years and he was basically mad at somebody all the time or didn't talk to somebody was very judgmental think that's the correct word is is he was someone who raised raised me. I was raised under the the strictness of someone who is very judgemental.

38:54 I you know there weren't very many arms around the shoulder. I love you Bob kind of moments and having my mom died when I was young I think was a big factor in feeling dismissed feeling. I'm on. I'm on my own here, even at 15 16 years old. And and so I guess I was already I've always been raised.

39:25 Thinking about the underdog and in appreciating the more liberal approach to acceptance and to

39:39 And helping people and I guess and I probably got the helping thing from this year or two before my mom died where where I was kind of home a lot with her. So I did a lot of dishes and housework and

39:54 Taking care of her a little bit here and there or when she was in the hospital which was quite often. I would be home cuz my older brother was 6 years older than me and he was either already. He was probably already out of the house. It was me and my younger sister and

40:11 So that's kind of where I think the history of my current that my later life Ambitions and lifestyle came from those earlier years.

40:26 10 minutes left. What should we talk about? Do we want? Let's see and experience a change of political kind of did you have another question like to rely on me and to share come up with one more?

40:46 But you have to ask me to each other so that it's not my voice. Okay here this is this is that this is why is there anything about the current political climate that you do? Not like? Oh, that's a hot potato.

41:05 Well act like you mean it. Is there anything about the current political climate that you don't like?

41:15 The political climate in this country is absolutely horrendous. It is scary. I have been saying I'll blast you know for years. It's not so much. I don't worry so much about the fact that the Trump got elected or that but I am terribly concerned that he is still popular and that there are 37 or 40% people out there who still like him and that's to me than he that those people are scarier to me. Then Trump is himself Trump is going to Trump is almost in a way harmless. He's so stupid and so irrational and and and doesn't know how to be present. It doesn't have to be a person really a reasonable person to be on the world stage is embarrassing and he is just

42:14 Really thrown throw in this country and I'll real

42:19 Real mess and and and I just the whole partisanship is is just so unhealthy and and creating so much animosity and and not being able to come to terms with what's fair or what's good for people or they're still has so much.

42:45 So much greed and so much all the lying and all the mistruths and all the partisan actions that are going on. It is just really scary and then being here in Minneapolis and living a little mile and a half away from our third precinct in from all the damage that was done up on Lake Street. It's just

43:16 Scary, you know life is really scary. And on one hand and on the other hand, I feel somewhat isolated with the covid-19. Have you been home for four months three months that were we're actually somewhat isolated from from a lot of the real hardships that are going around in this country.

43:38 And and world so it's it's

43:43 Scary times scary times. I told people I'm I'm kind of glad I'm 72 years old and I'm not going to be around long enough to see how this turns out that have a lot of faith in the youth.

43:59 How are you robbing? Is there anything current this current political climate that you don't like? Yeah, it's in my mind on the same page. As you are by I credit Trump with giving people permission to be discriminators and and Tube to do the the negative things that they're doing. There was there was a thing I saw on Facebook this morning. It was not remember exactly how it went. But it was something to the effect. Does it concern you at all that one-third of our population is willing to discriminate against in her another third of our population while the final third is willing to stand by and watch and it's like it's like that and that is that is scary. Yeah, the whole the whole political thing right now cuz it seems to me that the potential for change is here.

44:57 But the prevention of potential for disaster, I don't I don't think we can survive another 4 years of trump. I think that the Republic is in danger and that that scares I consider myself to be a very very American person but in American terms of there's a lot of good things about America and not be the discriminatory things and I want to see America survive. I think in terms of World War I and America America getting there in time to to help it's like

45:31 The Babe basically, yeah, it's it's like

45:36 It's just yeah, I I I hope that we are able to get a better a better president and convince start our legislators to to cooperate and and work together and so we can change some of the laws and and actually make some change for the future that that's my hope for the future to do you have any hopes for the future. You're still going to be around for probably another 20 years.

46:04 Yeah. Yeah. I know if my knee is my knees. Hold out. That's probably true. But my hopes for the future would be that we do survive actually is a society. I am very concerned that that we we may have dug ourselves such a whole hear that it's going to take several generations to actually meet the the the goals of what we talked about. Now after the Floyd killing in our streets here in Minneapolis and all the chaos around the world. I guess my hope is that what has been started in terms of change and desire for change?

46:54 Really can continue and that the fascists and bullies and the Trump era.

47:05 No gooders.

47:08 Can can slowly be put back into their cages so to speak and and let the rest of us try to save the world if they know I've tried with my cousin.

47:24 Am I my cousin in Florida the same base two cousins from two different aunts who are both on the wrong in my opinion on the wrong side of the fence. So but their minds will never be changed. You can't you cannot you can't give them any kind of logic. It's it's kind of like the old saying about I believe what I believe. Don't try to confuse me with the truth.

47:47 Debbie just heard from someone who's who's heart that they don't believe that the Kobe Bryant versus is is real and isn't that scary is as all get-out

48:05 So ya like my cousin my cousin's son put out a thing this morning about masks and how the whole thing with mask cuz it's all fake. They don't do any good. There's no proof to show that they help and I'm like

48:21 I can't believe it cuz that that's what I said something to my other cut cousin I put on Facebook about if if you do not wear a mask to protect yourself you wear a mask to protect me and and if you refuse to wear a mask in front of me, it's because you don't give a rat's ass about me and that's exactly how I worded it. He didn't respond but one of my his sister's Wisconsin did a thumbs-up. It's like yes.

48:54 So yeah, it's like it's like they don't nobody seems to get the point. The mask is not for your benefit the mask is so you you don't give it to someone else believes just the opposite. We both I believe both ways and I put my mask on because I do think that is it is protecting me from people outside of me who don't realize that they are carrying the virus or that they're sick or they got it on their hands or whatever that that I do think it protects me and that's my main reason because I also believe that I've been I've been quarantining myself for three and a half months and I know I'm healthy and I know that I don't have the virus or any certainly any symptoms of it. So for me to wear a mask to protect others to me is a little bit less important and less of a reality for me.

49:54 To think that I'm protecting being protected. So yeah, well it works both ways. I think too. So I think it weighs more people would wear them.

50:09 I don't know intro interesting discussion about nice nice to get to know some more things about you that I did not know before I'm so sorry about you cuz I heard in church on Sunday about your your stepmother passed away. Sorry about that.

50:25 Yeah, I know that's fine. And she had a good life and luckily she she did not get covid-19. She did fall a couple times in the last six weeks or so, which is what really caused her demise but the other thing of cause for demise at her age, I think was MSNBC too much watching and her desire to her loss of desire to live really beat based on isolation. Heavenly quarantine not seen her kids and grandkids glass for 5 months. I think the old people are older generation what's left of them us really need some taken care of cuz this is this is going on too long. Yes, it is. Well, I'm lucky. I have a cat who likes hugs. She she requires a minimum of half a dozen dough doesn't hugs everyday and if I have a hug,

51:25 There she comes in meows at me.

51:30 Sounds good. Thanks. The wrap-up. What are we supposed to wrap how we supposed to wrap this up Amy?

51:40 Yeah, yeah. Thank thank you Bob. And thank you Amy. This is been very interesting.

51:46 Yeah, yeah, it's kind of different than what I kind of expected and I hope to learn a little bit more about the process. Yeah, it was nice to learn some more things about you Robin and maybe we can continue such storytelling.