Salyndrea Bishop Jones and Shakira Johnson

Recorded January 28, 2020 Archived January 28, 2020 40:21 minutes
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Salyndrea B. Bishop Jones (26) and her friend Shakira Johnson (23) talk about growing up in public housing, their families, the schools they attended, the importance of youth programming, their jobs, and their creative interests and professional goals.

Subject Log / Time Code

SJ talks about growing up in Henry Horner Homes on the Near West Side.
SBJ talks about growing up in Stateway Gardens, and how so many of her family members lived in the same building.
SBJ talks about the cost of living on her own and how expensive Bronzeville has become.
SBJ talks about the evolution of her creative interests and business endeavors.
They talk about all the connections they've built starting out living in public housing.
SJ talks about living on her own in West Garfield Park, finding her identity, and figuring out what she wanted to do.
They talk about their relationships with their dads.
They talk about the importance of programs for youth, and about how they wished they had learned more as youth about things like credit and credit cards.
SJ talks about writing and her hopes to publish her book.
SJ tells SBJ that she admires her for doing what she wants to do in life for herself.

Participants

  • Salyndrea Bishop Jones
  • Shakira Johnson

Recording Locations

Chicago Housing Authority

Venue / Recording Kit

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Outreach

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Transcript

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00:01 Hello, my name is Selene Andrea B Bishop Jones. I am 26 years old. Today's date is January 28th. 2020 location is Chicago, Illinois. And Shakira. Johnson is my friend. My name is Shakira Johnson. I am 23 years old today's date is Tuesday, January 28th, 2020. The name of my interview partner is tool Andrea.

00:33 So my experience in public housing was like it was a dope experiences. I have fun. I am really go outside like that. But I stayed in public housing for about 11 years which development and the West Haven park now, I'm Henry Horner is a name of it, but I stayed over there and it's the development that's directly behind the United Center. So I stayed on the 5th floor there seven stories of the building take the elevator up to the 5th floor. That's me and my brother and my baby sister and we have a dog a cute little Yorkie. And basically it was much like the first year the stand there is mostly like staying in the house. Not really knowing your Neighbours at first cuz you still want to get comfortable to that.

01:33 Iron Man you want to see what it's like before the kids go out and play as a park in the back that's gated around but my mom wanted to make sure it was like safe for us to go out but he actually sent us down. So I want to say maybe like 3 years later if that we met all the neighbors. We close to them. It's like you go next. So what's your friend? You can go buy a ring like a big family and then she let my brother go outside will is different for him. Yeah, and I never really understood that sounds just like yeah, I hear you but I don't get it I want to go outside to do is just basically like it was fine will it was more fun for him, but I get it now, but it's wasted like I wake up I go to school I come home and then I got

02:33 Old enough to the point where I can go out and get a job with chaa or with after school matters and start to work and that was like the beginning of my experience. Well, so I grew up and stay away Garden. That is literally I'll tell everybody I said regardless they really don't know because it's not there anymore. So I just tell him right where the White Sox stadium is so we right on State Street, which is that 35th. The billets was from like 35th and State to like 38th and state but I live in 3016.

03:11 The closest like memory or experience I can think of like we first lived in apartment 805 and then like as I got older when I was like six or seven we move to apartment 505. I remember that for a fact most of my family members lived in that building 3616 my grandmother lives in a second-floor. My godmother friends to eat. She lives in Happy Hill. They're mostly all my family lived in that building all my cousins. I have a lot of cousins by the way, and basically it was like, I remember like all the fun and activities that we used to have because I went to like summer camp we had like a center of that was like under the building for every time we will go even during the school year even during the school year after school. That's a no-go. I went to St. Elizabeth, which is a Catholic school that's located on 41st. I don't the building is still there, but I don't think it's still open. So I went there for my kindergarten to eighth grade like I want to go.

04:11 In school, I never went to the same school as my cousins. They went to like the school that was across the street from my building which was raining so I didn't get a chance to like experience like going to school with them and stuff like that, but I will always see them when I get out of school cuz we all went to the same summer camp, which was cool with the same after school programs. Same thing for dinner. We will go there after school during the school year and then the summer we will go like from 8 in the morning till like 3 or 4 everyday Monday through Friday. It would take us long trips. We went camping. We did like a lot of stuff. We will have my back to school parties back to school BBQs. We will have like a let me take us to Tripp still I Six Flags in like we would just be able to be like all our friends and I are cousins in our family members versus like everything else I was doing was like outside of where I live cuz my school was down the street. So, you know, I meant other kids that lived in

05:11 Other neighborhoods in other areas, but I would like to go visit a place and it was totally different. I was used to all my family being in one area. And when I go to like my my classmates house like to have birthday parties and stuff we have to like travel far and to go see late grandparents or if they was having a party at their mom's house. They live pretty far away from where I live. So it was basically I had a good experience growing up cuz I felt like everything was like a family. So now my mom lives in the development call Park Boulevard, so it's no longer stay awake Gardens is called Park Park Boulevard, and my mom says there now I was living with her too. I only been out on my own for like I feel like four years now, but my mom still lives there her my little sister. She's a sophomore in high school my little brother. He's a junior college you go to rust College shout out to him. He play baseball teams AJ and my oldest sister Tukwila. She works at the airport.

06:11 So so my little sister and my brother lives with my mom and it's her so I always go visit. It's like I still live like we're Lakeshore Drive is I lived there. So it's easier for me to maneuver when I'm like at my mom's house cuz she's about a metra. She's by the red line to Green Line to State Street bus to College Grove TN Drive bus, you know, she like right there and then I work downtown. So I always take the public transportation all the time. And this is really this is really hard to take a lot of public transportation from where I live because the buses stop running in a certain time. The red line is always running. So the goal is like when I get off work late sometimes if I okay I can take the red line, but I know I need to Uber from the red line to the house. But whatever eventually I'll move back in the Bronzeville area cuz that's why I want to live.

07:11 The rent is so expensive. I can look it up online on my okay. I need for jobs like exactly what's happening. And so yeah, so that experience, you know motivated my mom to put me in a stack and so I went for high school. So after think Elizabeth I went to a stag is like construction engineering technology school. So that was interesting but I'm just lately understand it because I'm more of a I'm a social person and I'm more into the Arts like music and acting so I was just hella confused all the time, which was cool. But I met great people at that school like my brothers that I met there were still closed right now today like and we all went to different colleges. So after a stack I went to Columbia. So that's where I was able to do exactly. What I wanted to do from film the radio. I was a film director major at Columbia, so,

08:11 Everything was it was different it was different for me because I had never liked had a camera or anything like that. So I was I know the photos of different because you got all your material versus like usual some rinky-dink camera. You headed home to go to Columbia. They got this thing called the case you go run out equipment for your project and stuff and it was like in the most of the kids. I was in class with it was crazy a lot of not from Chicago, of course and the more I got into film and directing the more the more I didn't see like women, you know, so at Columbia most of the women who like editing and stuff like that and I wasn't really interested in editing classes because Columbia make you do that, but the further I got up until like my curriculum. Sometimes I was the only female in the class, you know, so that was different Hollywood work and I'm like

09:11 No, cuz that's definitely how it is in there my freshman year at Columbia. I had a hard time with like like really identifying with would like my type like my race like I was like, where is the black people like I was so confused. But then like one of my Bros he was a music Major and he was like me to come to this comes to BSU the black student union. Now we go every Wednesday, so that was cool. And then I was also part of black Film Society which was super super dope. We learned a lot. I learned a lot going to feel like every Friday I believe so I learned a lot and I'm the kind of person I like to keep myself busy. All this stuff was apart of the the national public housing Museum Youth Camp. So I started that my senior high school and I continued that all the way throughout college and then eventually once I graduated they let us in

10:11 Shakira and Savannah we entering that for like a summer 2015. So that's something we answered that was pretty dope and then like eventually the Acme insecure come back and we was working like 2 days a week and was cool. That was paying us money. I cool and then it makes that I was working at the job that I am working at now, which is a photo company call picsolve. It was called digiphoto, but they changed it. So that's what I do like for Monday through Friday with Monday through Saturday. I work at this photo company and if it's interesting that we come from kind of like the same background but then places because my experience of light coming from public housing saying what I was saying like when I went to

11:11 High school, I'm filling out all these apps going to the process cuz you know, they put a whole bunch of pressure on us and I'm just really understand why I was so important a high school in the NSX how you do and I really feel like I'm sometimes I'll be thinking like if I wanted to go to can both of my best friends with The King and I also want to go now Maria at the time but I got to pay for that. So when I filled out for these eyelashes they can not they only gave one of the girls out of my class the scholarship to attend the school and I wasn't one of those girls. So yeah Maria was at the question of the day that I was supposed to take the entry exam to get into King. I took the entry exam to get into Maria. So I missed the test a king because I thought I was going to get it didn't get a Maria. So my mom was just like your cousin going to the school that just open it. So my cousin in case you went to a sexy to me and my cousin Jasmine so my mom like

12:11 Blah blah blah blah, so I applied I got in the school my mom if I get us where you going you can take the State Street bus straight there from my best friend's go there and we have school matters Cummings high school and we had this guy, and he worked at Gallery 37. He was like, yeah, we got theater. We got this. So I apply and I did Gallery everyday my Junior and Senior year. I did it like twice a week. I will go after school and I was basic in a theater program. It was like theater in like singing and stuff and we will go and put on a big performance at the end of the year or the end of the course or whatever. So and that's why I meant a lot of people I meant a lot like a lot of like artist cuz I also rap so a lot of artists

13:11 Who did Gallery like that like big names now? Yeah, I'm saying if y'all know like Chance the Rapper or like Danny trumpet, like all of them went to gallery and every Wednesday or high school go to the Hill Washington library open mic night every Wednesday look like a thing. We got to school. I should change my clothes because I will uniform so I'm going to change my clothes, my girl Chasity I'm saying and we were like yo, we all going to the media because my brother was able to performing at the time. This is around the time. I didn't really rapping skills, but I was writing poetry at the time but I would never performance like nervous and stuff like that. So,

13:54 I'm outside of that shell because yeah, please like the way my mom had me and raised me. I'm more like okay. I'm the youngest female left and almost in youngest female to the family if you want to make sure like, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do in focus on school. I'm not really going outside like that. Like yeah, I can have a job, but that's like as far as that goes so it wasn't really like me branching out as much as I wanted to come in from where we come from. They always want to make sure like, they they definitely focus on the boys when they want to make sure the girls are always on top of it. No matter what it was like for me. I'm okay. I'm going to go to school and then I'm going to go to work if that and then I'm going to come straight back home and I did that all the way till I was 18 and I'm just like at this point why you no like and I'm a mama's girl. You know me. I like to get access. I like to get up and one thing about my parents. They always allow me to do what I wanted to do. Like I used to be like

14:54 You know, he was a chef at the time. I was younger. He's the cook at like one of these colleges downtown but that's all I want to be a chef, but he would like show me how to make stuff but then I changed my mind. Change my mind, but I'm like, you know what I'm just going to take the acting and singing and then I just popped up out of nowhere like yeah, I'm going to wrap and this was like when I was in college, yeah, I'm going to wrap and I really got you know a little bit focus on like the business aspect of like everything which is important. So I really got it to make up a lot when I was in college cuz you know Columbia kids, you know, we Superfly be like makeup watch them out of YouTube tutorials and I love lipstick. I will literally spend my last on some lipstick. I'm not going to even lie, so that's what motivated mean.

15:53 So when I have my own lipstick line, so I came up with that. I'm just like knowing I'm on this thing. So back in 2017. And that's when I came up with the idea 2018. I came up with the name and then I just start doing the research about like how do I even start a lipstick line? So now I'm on the path of basically a pan for like my LLC and doing all that good stuff looking for vendors and just like looking for someone to create my website, you know someone to do my photo shoot. So the good thing about it is I know a lot of people cuz I did Photography in points on a lot of people that can help me out right now. It's about me being disciplined enough to save money because I like to spend a lot of money and I liked it. So I made I made an agreement with myself that I'm not going to do any traveling and 20/20 until I have enough stuff done that's going to allow me to life.

16:53 My business in November, my birthday is November 16th, and I'm a big birthday person like my 25th birthday. I went to Jamaica like I'm a big birthday person. But this year I am so dedicated and focus that I said, okay, I'm watching my business is just my birthday is not important how we grew up and then you start to make all these connections that you don't know you're going to keep and then you grow into him. Even when I got introduced with the Museum's. I'm like, okay, is this Museum? Like what's happening? Show me about if you start to learn how do you make that's what you really want to do what you just learned a lot about

17:53 But that was when dr. Keith was here and when we first met him it was basically like he was just like real life focus on cuz I was it was my senior high school at the time and I already knew what college I wanted to go to.

18:09 It was two colleges. I want to go to either Tuskegee cuz I want to go to HBCU or it was Columbia. I just who I would have been perfectly fine. So, dr. Keith had took us on a college tour and we have went to New York and Miss Thatcher. Remember we went to Mississippi and we visited all these different colleges and went to New York Revisited Columbia that's in New York. Totally different breed from the Columbian Chicago and I knew right then and there like 9 I want to go to Chicago but then we went to Washington and we visited Howard and that's so cool that my best friend had got accepted to her. She got a scholarship to go to Howard, but then I was going to have him I wasn't feeling it. I'm just waiting for me.

18:53 So I didn't get a chance to visit Tuskegee, but I really wanted to go there but they didn't give me a scholarship but Columbia came through and I always appreciate that. That's why I always liked be like on my little sister right now, cuz my little brother he's already in school, The goal is to get a scholarship to that is the gold one thing like I can say I'm so proud of her because she liked seeing me and looking up to the only thing she see me do is work like I'm working regardless, but I tell her all the time like I work for what I want I get what I want and make it work. So you just got to stick it out. Even if you don't want to do it for the moment cuz you all know is going to take you so bad when I try to instill that in her mind because I know that even if I don't think she paying attention to me, she just looks like Malu

19:53 Attention to everything about the day. I was like, I was hit the follow me on Instagram and Facebook be really proud that you can do stuff like this as well. But I'm like first you got to make sure like School is number one priority because I did so much stuff but school was always number one, like literally let it was the same like the school and work for me, but I also made a lot of like a lot of mistakes the stand in public housing to as far as like relationship focusing on the wrong hoping only because I didn't get the opportunity to go out and Branch out you had me so then it's just like, okay. I don't have anything else to do. What can I look for in my immediate surroundings and that kind of

20:53 I think they kind of plays a role and what occupies people a lot and how that affects them because if you don't have resources if you don't have the opportunity to do what you think you want to do to realize if it is or if it's not for you then and that's exactly what happened to me. I end up when I was my last year of high school and I got kicked out three or four times. So I'm like at that point. I want my own cuz if I get kicked out one more time, I might as well be on my arms. Like if I got to take that L, let's do it. So I end up getting my first low income apartment in the building. That's a tall may be like 13th story low-income build and want full of Studios all utilities included on Madison and Hamlin Street from the Aldi's in West Garfield Park, and I just did that from by myself for a while. And then she was just like I think you should come home. It's not safe and she literally live like 5 minutes.

21:53 Opposite direction. I mean if it's not safe here, but it just more about figuring out what's for you and how you want her, you know go about life and part of that time or as being young adults is like finding your own identity and figuring out what you want to do and who you want to be it sound like a shock. Yeah, I can speak for like everyone who liked graduate college and you know, everybody have these dreams feel like you have a graduate college. I'm taking my family. I'm going to California that was the main goal of California is expensive is very expensive to get a job there or something like that, like in turn and you're not probably going to get paid for it. So me, I like money song.

22:53 I wasn't running from Chicago to my house my rules in Chicago and one of my friends like fresh out of college. He had got his little zombie, you know movie or whatever and low budget film Indian during that time. I wasn't working like if I was only work going this time. I will never work during school. I was going to 18 credit hours a week as possible. So that summer I'm just like I ain't working. I just graduated. I'm like, I'm going to go ahead and get on this 30-day shoot with you and we did it. It was cool. And then my friend from College of the time Tricia and she was still in school and he was younger than me and she had told me about she worked at the photo company. He was like application application is to get hired. I've been there since so in July it would be five years. So I go by so fast so now I'm at the point where

23:54 I feel like some got to shake I can't be there for another another year to so right now, I'm just like I got to make some major moves, but I have to be you know, I have to strategize and figure it out cuz I just came to Miami quit and I get the phone like my family like I have a lot of male cousins that's older and it was very overprotective. So I had never seen never seen. No, like you said, you liked the guys and relationships. I have never had to pick up. My cousins was like they're like now you don't need a boyfriend. That's not what you doing. I wish I had that because he's just like, you know, cuz I'm worried about my dad died when I was in high school. I had a boyfriend but we went to the same school. We barely seen each other outside of school. So it's kind of like, you know I'm saying, but we had date.

24:54 All the way up until my sophomore year college to Western at Western and we can do we was young we can do the long-distance thing. It wasn't it wasn't a thing of that pressure on me actually still cool. We still cool. We still cool. But at that time we were young like it was nothing really we can do about that. Like I want him to finish school. Anyway, so only because I didn't get to go outside. So, you know my first quote on quote real boyfriend with his he stayed in the same building this me on the same floor around the corner and I'm just I'm you won't let me go outside. So I'm already late. I'm going to boyfriend.

25:54 Spin the branch on I feel like I'm growing up. I set myself up for failure. You can't go over there and can't talk to him. I don't like the step and I ain't get it at first but I'm just like well, it's kind of your fault because you set us up in this environment for you know, I was going to impact and they don't really understand that. I guess they like just focused on us doing what we supposed to do but not really and how it affects our decision-making. She was never worried about me and like Jews in relationship to let because you all should I you always was just like I'm the kind of person like I'm going to go for you, you know, and if it don't go my way or the highway it's kind of like that really is the cause and effect of me not been in a relationship because then we're not going to

26:54 And it took me awhile to get to that point cuz you know right now coming from where I come from and it just me and my mama trying to make it and seeing my dad trying to make it in two separate households cuz they wanted together it just like okay. Well, I'm closer to my mom at this one cuz I was a daddy's girl. I'm done with that is what I'm not doing this alone, even though I know they don't come through because I'm his baby girl.

27:23 My dad stayed for an appointment time. I think he moved to Mississippi on the love is gone for like I can't remember if it was like a few months in like 2 years or something like that, but I felt like it was a stretch only because I was so close to him. Like I be at my mom's house during the week or like some days I go over my dad's when I'm over my dad's like I'm under my dad to the point where he was my best friend. Like I was up to him always we used to step listening to music and I was always under my dad. So it's like when they bring you stuff a little bit and I was mostly with my mom. I'm just like, okay. Yeah. I love my mom, but I really wanted to be with my dad. So that's right. They kind of like how I've you mean because I felt like oh, it's okay. If you don't you're not necessarily around. What do you say you love me and you know what, I mean and it kind of like threw me off to a point where when I'm starting to get older and I

28:23 Her potential people that I think I'm interested in even though I didn't know what that meant at the moment but just like I thought it was okay and it wasn't when we sat down and talked about it wasn't his intention to feel like he was absent even though he was definitely it just like we don't understand it at the moment. So now when it comes to relationships, you know, I got I work three jobs. So it's like I'm at work. I'm at work. And then if you say you only got one job or you not really dedicated to yourself to your potential or what you could be the one but you don't really have time. I'll be like, okay, that's a cut off for me. I'm not going to tolerate to Rockford and then he moved to Aurora and he's still in the world. But my dad if I could turn away so every weekend I was with my dad like literally like either I'm with him or his family house.

29:23 Or like yeah, I did. My dad was the kind of guy like he likes what he block to be active to get that from and we just be all over the place and my dad is the reason why I really got us a film though because when I was younger we watched Easton how about this collection of tapes and like every movie and he love sci-fi stuff. I got a free sci-fi karate movies in like I'm the kind of person like my mom. I like you no drama romantic comedies action and my dad emotionally like my dad. He's just really like he liked all genres and then when he would like action he like like the Avengers and like all that stuff and I'm not I used to watch it with him. But like now that I'm older he would like to see this movie. I'm just laying here like we can Bond over their stuff now I do what you always go to the movies.

30:23 Starch is going to see different things. I want to see and all that good stuff. So I'm just like when it comes to like our parents like my mom and dad are play like a big role and like how I maneuver as a twenty-six-year-old like my mom. She's like real tough. You know, she don't take nothing from nobody. My dad is like real smooth. So I keep it low-key but he's very very smart and very intelligent he know by like a lot of stuff and then I have my godparents from singing and Larry like they don't take nothing from nobody either don't play so growing up and have a nose like good people in your life is very important to him and the youth advisory Council. I'm just like, okay. Well, I'll see what to say. And then I see Savannah Ricardo and I'm just like, okay. Well, this might not be

31:23 So bad, but it still took me the longest to like Branch out and then not feel like I'm in a safe environment. I can be myself whatever that maybe those programs help. You know, I'm saying to be the people that we are and I kind of felt like they don't have that for a lot of Youth anymore straight away from my public housing because when I stay there or when we stay there, you know, it's like you can go wherever and it was like the main focal point with friends like family. They want to make sure okay we in school. You need to get you a job to make sure you situated as long as you make this promise to me that you're going to do what you need to do and they were

32:23 But now it's just like I think the problem with teams they don't really have that guidance that pretty smile and say do know that you have what you need to be doing if I was at work all day, but I don't have a community center to go to be like yo, did you help me find a job. Unger? So you got like your grandma and your great-grandma the things that we grew up on because when I you just let them do what they want to do and it's more of not cuz everything is a learning process but coming from where we came from. It's just like, okay and we're going to be focused on our goals. We want to make sure you say where everybody education this what you want to do this and then now it's just like I will go out and do what you want to do is Mikey I can't you know what I mean, but it's not it wasn't like that at first because for one coming from Public House in the entire experience. It's just like your home your family. We going to make sure you were all right.

33:23 But we had like a help center is like now was like I feel like like I'm 26. I just feel like it's a lot of us trying to figure it out of my own house people that already been through there so they can try to help us out but people are afraid to communicate and talk. It's just weird. It's a lot of weird stuff going on really.

33:43 Yeah, my mom she talks about how she grew up all the time. Like my mom was really like a grown up my dad. He actually grew up his teen years in Mississippi and then his mom moved him to Chicago. So he tell me about that stuff. Tammy's parents, cousins who sell my brothers and sisters like we always the same house, you know, my mom used to cook all this food and tell me about that. Okay, I was talking about how she grew up one thing. I really wish that we would have liked more knowledge on his credit. I wish I wouldn't have waited so long like a big part of like everything right now and what they know or what they think they know it's just like some families up. They said they kids up a credit cards.

34:43 That knowledge in them. Sometimes we don't know like coming for my background. My mom didn't instill that in me. So when I went out to get my first apartment, I like by my first car sound like almost $4,000 on my taxes and I'm just like not thinking because it's like, okay, it's my car I want it. It's something they call mine, but I wasn't even on the credit union credit score. Maybe you can go and then I'm certain amount of money in my credit and then some people just like by the time they are teenagers a family already got them a credit card, but they got all this stuff and I'm not a job. I know that we had a bother at all. So I'm just like I'll be seeing kids with credit cards in my bank account. So we have kids we can do that. We know by Joe.

35:43 Because you know I'm doing right I write books where it's I want to publish. My books. Next year. Universe is like no you need to start your own business and I'm all for that cuz you know that's dope like influencing, you know, I agree to it but it's just like I keep telling her you got to start somewhere like you need an apartment. I'm trying to balance a brain cuz I have to do it on my own Lea have two friends. I have a I have a friend. I have a cousin they both been running their own hair business in Chicago for like the last, you know, 557 years and they both are really sore. I have those two young ladies in my life that I can look up to that. I can like ask him questions one of my cut my cousin her name is Ronnie sure. She has her own hairline. Call pretty hair weave.

36:43 Chicago then my friend Courtney with the grammar school together. She has her own hair company called her extensions. So they both are really successful in doing really good. So if I have like it's good, they are so busy ladies. They are busy to answer my every beck and call so they can get a lot of research have a lot of books on my Amazon card that I'm going to order. It's just like it's like really educating yourself and like, you know, I just like doing it for me. I'm a Jew or a visual learner. I like to touch things out to do stuff. So for me, it's just like let's get these samples Australia samples on let's do this less I'm going to do or I can't really like to view my step back and look like I'm never going to open my business. Like I'm going to open my recently hit you up in like I'm so proud of you because there's a few people in my circle, you know that I can reach out to his mom.

37:43 I know something but there was also people around every like, okay now I'm going to see what they can do for me know I want to do it for myself. And when I looked at you and I first met you I'm just like okay, she's doing what she wanted to she by herself and that's what I always expire. So because I wanted to figure out how I could be the best meat and behavior Bull and you know for my identity and sometimes it takes for me to go outside of my space to see other women like me that I trying to achieve account the same number to go. So that's where I get my inspiration from Power Man accidentally said when no one world cars so so yeah, but that's really good like even like other people like I always like people just randomly inbox me on my Instagram IG till I ask you something random answer them.

38:43 No answer but I'm not the kind of person and then some people like they contact me to and then I just recently met this person from London and they just like keep calling me and keep hitting me up and then they were just so excited to meet me. I'm just like a regular person. I don't really understand it. But when you see the type of work, will you so into doing like the type of work that you've been doing and you don't really recognize how much you're making an impact it take Brian and it is yeah, but always mom and dad always going to be no genuine. He said be humble and always listen cuz I'm the kind of person I talk a lot. I get that from my mom and my dad will always just tell me like, you know, you act just like your mommy was like that. Sometimes you need to listen to become. I'm not I'm not really, I'm like, I'm real late, you know, I love your face.

39:41 It take me to get to the point. Where is my now I can speak in front of light conference room when I never thought I could be to that point. So it just fight it's all about experience and I kind of feel like, you know, we had a good experience and I feel like people will definitely should know I understand that everything that you seen or heard about during that time is not actually what it was. This is my experience and I hope people can listen and learn from this and let's make some changes. So let's get these kids learning about credit and stuff to make it true.