Shawna Brown and Johana Gourdin
Recorded April 3, 2023 Archived April 3, 2023 42:34 minutes
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DescriptionFriends Shawna Brown (34) and Johana Gourdin (26) share a conversation about Black joy and pleasure, queer space, transphobia, restorative justice, community resilience, and accountability. They also talk about the importance of music and movement, how their lives are different from what they imagined, and what they would want for future generations.
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SB talks about meeting JG for the first time. JG says that "meeting you has always been a blessing" when recalling meeting SB for the first time.
JG talks about the differences between Black joy and pleasure and about understanding one's power as a Black person.
SB describes how they view joy and pleasure. JG and SB discuss gratitude and shame.
SB talks about Black people's relationship to spirit and reflects on their faith practice growing up.
JG talks about community resilience and about embodying Blackness.
JG and SB talk about the importance of music and movement.
JG talks about the current state of the world and the recent shooting. JG also talks about transphobia.
SB talks about the importance of queer spaces.
JG talks about restorative justice.
SB and JG talk about accountability and grace.
JG and SB express how their lives are different from what they imagined.
SB and JG express three things they want to manifest for future generations.
- Shawna Brown
- Johana Gourdin