Stacy Schmitt and Dane Bussard

Recorded October 30, 2021 Archived October 30, 2021 42:36 minutes
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One Small Step conversation partners Stacy Schmitt (59) and Dane Bussard (28) talk about the loss of Dane's grandfather when Dane was in high school, opinions on same-sex households and reproductive freedoms, and their religious backgrounds and upbringings.

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DB and SS talk about their decision to do One Small Step and both read each others’ bios.
DB on the loss of his grandfather, who was his father figure in life. SS talks about losing many of her close family members to cancer.
DB and SS talk about their opinions on same sex parent households.
DB on whether or not he is interested in having children of his own. SS talks about her support of reproductive freedom.
DB talks about Pennsylvania as a “Bible belt” and discusses his religious beliefs. SS talks about her Catholic upbringing and what her beliefs are now.
DB shares his beliefs on systemic racism. SS shares her perception of race growing up outside of New Orleans. She talks about how she sees racism in her job as a teacher.
DB and SS reflect on their conversation together.


  • Stacy Schmitt
  • Dane Bussard

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00:01 Stacy Schmitt on 59. I'm in Madisonville, Louisiana. Today is Saturday, October 30th 2021. My recording partner is someone. I am meeting for the first time on this recording.

00:18 And I'm use me. I'm Dane 20.

00:23 28mm 28, I'm currently in State College. Pennsylvania. Today is October 30th, 2021. I am speaking to Stacy who I have meeting for the first time today.

00:37 Answer my first question for you, both. If you are comfortable sharing, just what made you interested in having a one, small step conversation with someone. And as we've established, you guys are in different locations and different walks of life. What made you interested in doing this?

00:54 I mean, I can go first. Like I said, I heard about the ones are the storycorps and specifically that one small step initiative and it's kind of motive has kind of always been something. I have said would benefit mankind if we just did more of this. So seeing an organization that was actually trying to do. What I figured I would hop on and you know, I got money where my mouth is.

01:23 And I decided to try it because I believe that is important to really give my best before expecting it from others. And I challenge all my students to really work on a skill set to help them have civil discourse, particularly around ideas that they feel passionate about and disagree on. So I thought it would be a really good idea to challenge myself to do that.

01:55 And if you guys want to refer to the message and then in the chat and just read your your conversation Partners. Bayou out loud, once you both do that, but you ask each other questions and kind of move from there.

02:12 Do you want to read mine or have me read yours first? That's I, can I have no problems going for his first yours says, some ways. You're a typical late baby boomer, in New Orleans, near orleanian orleanian, who loves people food storytelling music and the paradoxical blend of Elegance and decadence in their local architecture. She feels the influences of her German Jewish and French ancestors and print it on her DNA. Yet. She's always been an outline or Rebel, birthing a son at 26. Provoked her to work on, self-improvement to be a better provider and protector.

02:59 I'm guessing her husband is Ono, son, or husband on me for myself and my community.

03:16 And James Bond.

03:23 Teresa spent a lot of time at work and not at home and a very tight-knit family. And my grandpa was my father figure. This load up to cancer was probably the most earth-shattering thing for me. He served a I'm sorry name served, eight years in the Navy and would never do it again and does not recommend it. I am proud of my service and have no regrets about it. I feel things aren't as bad as the media wants to think and it's okay if people don't agree.

04:07 I guess. Go ahead while I was just going to ask where you always from the New Orleans area, or did you move there later in life and raised there? And I moved away when I was about 20. I spent the summer working in Cape Cod, in the hospitality industry and has a lot of seasonal restaurant work. So I went there for one summer. But other than that, I've never lived anywhere else. I do like to travel and visit other places, but New Orleans is very flawed, but also very hard to leave as his family.

04:48 I can understand that.

04:52 I have a question about I'm how long ago your Grandpa died.

04:57 That would have been when I was in high school, so

05:01 Graduated 2012. It was

05:08 10th or 11th grade. Sol 2011 with a decade ago. Now, I guess, you know, time time helps you all things. But yeah, his passing was less than

05:21 Austin Pleasant or peaceful exactly what you know was hard cuz he was really the only, you know, between him and my uncles were the father figures in my life growing up in a single-parent family. So it was, it was, it was very difficult, losing a minute. It had it very nearly cost me, you know, but I had some very, very understanding teachers. My school system are. Well, just school from administrator down, was all very understanding of my situation, everything and it allowed me to put myself through 11th grade.

06:00 Well because it's in your bio. I felt it was okay to ask but also kind of wanted to know the timeline because it's something like that is fresh want to didn't want to go get a wound but something like that. Never ceases to be a wound to some degree and it's something that we have in common. Although I was much older before, I had to witness that, I've lost so many of my close relatives. Grandparents. Mom, Uncle any, how many close relatives have died of cancer and it's almost always been a very slow death and not a comfortable one.

06:46 But I am really interested. I was going to ask you something else. But when you mentioned your age, I just saw it. I cannot even imagine someone trying to see what's expected of students including just show up much less wrap, your mind around new things, and learn new things and interact with social people at that age, who are not always the most socially gracious. So I sometimes, especially during covid, find that I'm teaching students who are dealing with a difficult loss, and they're eighth graders. Have lost grandparents in the last year-and-a-half. Do you have any

07:27 Like the only thing I feel I can do for everyone is validate the difficulty of what they're going through. Do you have any other suggestions about what was helpful for you? And I can't really like my situation wasn't. So, I was slightly like I would permission from the school. Basically, left school to be with my grandparents, cuz my grandfather and grandmother, you know, they lived alone on a farm. You know, where all my entire family was Blue Collar. Working class work long hours. So is really just my grandma taking care of, you know, and grandpa. So, you know with my mother in the school support I went and basically for

08:17 Few months kind of played that. I guess you'd call the, the male role of the household and help my grandma out. So like, wow, my grandfather was healing. I didn't really have to do the whole social aspects, which kind of like that. I guess, kind of helped a lot, you know, and that, I mean, it introduced me to a whole different set of Horrors, but proud of me from social horse. In the guest. I mean as far as what other people can do, like, just

08:50 What I found most helpful was when people didn't try and sympathize.

08:57 Not that I didn't care for it. Like it didn't upset me when people I call I understand like, you know, I understand it's hard for you right now. What I found most helpful was when people just gave me understanding I guess you could say I like I understand, you know, you lost somebody it's obviously hard for you like

09:21 Here's how I can help you. What do you need for me? Basically just understanding acceptance and willing to you. No inconvenience themselves to help. Lesser. My inconvenience lack of elegant words, way of putting it. Just

09:45 People reaching out to help other people, I guess is the simplest way to put it.

09:51 I don't know if that answers specifically, are you looking for? But that's the best I can come up with at this moment.

10:02 Let's see. And you you said, will you grow up in a rural community? So I grew up in a very different setting just because New Orleans is pretty Urban. At one point. We moved to the suburbs, which is still, you know, people are within a few yard yards of your own boundary growing up in that kind of setting.

10:32 You know, a lot of people like to throw stones on single parents and I was a single parent to my son, even though I was raised in a two-parent household and single parent, households are often scapegoated as one of the big causes of social ills. Do you have a particular feelings about that?

10:55 I can understand where the stones are being thrown from. I feel that if I didn't have like

11:04 I can't really say I ever felt the lack of Father Figure because my family being as

11:14 Incredibly tight knit. Which as a child. I'd really took for granted was until I was an adult in the Navy that I realize I called there are people out here who have horrible relationships with their family. Like I had something really special but thanks that you know extreme Titan it.

11:30 Family, I grew up in I never really felt. I didn't have a father figure like I'd like I identified by my by my grandfather. Basically was my father figure. My uncle's, you know, step into the role really. Well at the Gap was made up for. I can definitely see.

11:47 How if there isn't a fatherly figure presents?

11:53 That could cause problems because I can, you know, that I'm 28 years is a bit of time but I can still kind of remember as a child, the need to have that father figures that there wasn't, you know, a good one. Nearby didn't friend, I could have probably imprinted on anybody and everybody in in the day in this age, at least of social media, and the internet and everything being there. I can see it very possible that not having a father figure right there could cause them the imprints on the somebody who might not be the best of Role Models. Not that, it isn't possible to fix that. I just

12:36 I don't think the stone-throwing is Justified, but I see you where the stones are being cast from.

12:45 What about?

12:48 You're a lot younger than I am but compared to when I grew up to now, there's a lot of household that are two-parent households, but there might not be a man. So I have you. No friends students. People that are in households that they have maybe I'm two parents but they are either both male or both female. How, how do you feel about that? Seems to be more common and seems to be more accepted in, in society, in general, even if it's so, like, I don't feel like it's very accepted here. But when I travel 25 miles to New Orleans, it's a whole different scenario where it is. Widely accepted. So any thoughts on that, I mean, I'm

13:41 Family family, I guess the simplest way to put it like I understand where you're coming from. Growing up. Rural in the Bible Belt. Like my family is very conservative. I grew up in a very Christian family. I personally, if you know a label was to be put on me and probably a moderate conservative compared to the rest of my family. I'm a liberal. So I'm kind of the outlier for my community. I kind of understand where you coming from and I'm just, I'm in the family family. Like I said, I didn't

14:15 I didn't have the father figure and I'm saying father figure, but I mean, I'm not saying it has to be mail. It's just you need.

14:24 As long as the child.

14:28 Can I put this? That's a really, really good and complicated question?

14:34 I'm trying to think my words to it.

14:37 The child doesn't necessarily need the male influence. But as long as like I said, as long as a child's needs, are being taken care of, and the child is getting

14:47 How do I fight?

14:56 Is love but not overly coddled. I guess you could say.

15:00 And that's in the stereotypical nuclear family. You break up the

15:06 Gender roles your mom's the Hager and dad's death.

15:10 You know, Punisher. And I'm not saying you have to have, you know, one person be lovey-dovey, one piece and be capital punishment, but you do need, I think a well-balanced human being needs to be capable of looking out, hugging it out, but realizing there's a point in time where you got to, you know, maybe be a bit more firm in as long as the child is receiving end of that Spectrum. I feel that he would grow up to be a well-balanced child. Now. I feel like I'm very unqualified the beginning that cuz you know, I don't have any children. I don't have any perspective children. I mean, I've helped raise my cousin's. I am by far the oldest one in my generation. So I'm definitely helped with children, but I feel very under qualified to be speaking about how to properly raise a child.

16:00 That's really interesting. What you said about, you need sort of two, you need, you need different people to take on different roles. And I think that's one of the hard things about being a single parent. I'm sure that at times my son's head was spinning because I would go from being the, not the coddler cuz I've never spoiled him. Give him a lot of love and affection and in things like that, but then there were times when I turned all that off when I felt like he was really out of line and I was the tough Taskmaster and I think that that was a really interesting thing that I think when there are two parents.

16:44 I wonder if there are some two-parent households where each parent, embodies all of those things or people do tend to settle into rolls, whether it's a man and a woman or two, women or men, whenever I wonder if people settle into those rolls because I did find, I had to be able to switch, which both of those things on and off and they feel very different and I'm sure they're perceived very different child. You want to have any of your own one day?

17:23 I have no real, you know, I don't have that. You know, I don't know what they call it.

17:29 Maternal hours. I have no urge to go out there and have Offspring. I guess it is a crude way to put it. If I was to get into a relationship and the other half really wanted to have children. I definitely wouldn't be against it does kind of

17:44 It does kind of scare me. I've never really been the best when it comes to responsibilities and definitely having a child is definitely a very, very big responsibility, you know, sometimes I don't feel like I'm 28 and I'm still kind of in the face, you know, I'm finally going the college. I'm still in the phase. I'm almost in my thirties and I'm still like, what am I going to do with my life?

18:11 What I think a lot of people struggle with much much longer than Society, you know, seems to think it does at least as I get older. I realize I like that, you know, my parents are in their forties reaching in the 50s, you know, have the same life crises that I'm having now. They still don't know exactly what they wanted to do with their life.

18:33 I could raise a child and their days run like I don't even know if I can take care of myself. So I think it would be I think it would be nice to have leaving a legacy and all that, but no, I don't really.

18:48 I can't say I have the desire. Like I said, if it's there, I'll step into the role may be uncomfortably, but I can't really say it's something that I'm I'm shooting for a right now, which I guess, you know, at least from my family's point of view. That's kind of weird, you know, my family still marry. It's talking to the wrong person, you know, so

19:17 I don't have mean, what? What it? What are your thoughts? Like? Is it? Is it a scuse me? What are your thoughts on the whole of their breaches of life is to have children? Now?

19:34 So much more acceptable for even the most heteronormative couples. Nowadays can declare. Oh, no, we don't want children. I love that that's acceptable. Not necessarily acceptable to their parents. Although I do know, a few outlier grandparents, who were reluctant, grandparents.

19:55 Type is, you know, when are you going to make me a grandma or grandpa? I love that. It's a conscious decision or something. About all the babies in the world is that they are wanted. And I love that people nowadays have access to birth control and they can make the decision to become parents and it's not just something that happens. If I was. In fact, I mention single parents being us where the scapegoated for societal ills. If I could point to anything from my generation of people, is that most of the people, I went to school with were not planned pregnancies and lines. They were from the Catholic families which, you know, where against birth control. And I was born in the early sixties and that was a big thing.

20:55 And a lot of parents were just unwilling, but because of carnal urges wild up with a whole bunch of children.

21:04 Sometimes that was hard because I had a lot of friends who were pretty much left to their own devices or or raisin each other as siblings.

21:16 Right. I can I can understand that. I was I don't really like to use this term in a mistake child. But, you know, I was not a planned child. I guess that's a better way of putting it so I can understand that. I like I said, I realize that now I took it for granted growing up, but I definitely realize it now. I had to, you know, I may not have been planned. But when I showed up it was all hands on board. This this child's going to get the get what he deserves, you know, Grayson, maybe not always a happy family, but definitely a caring family.

21:48 That's beautiful. That's really lucky. And that would be my hope for any baby that land or not plan their welcome, but it's definitely a hardship. So I'm are you saying that you don't know if you can take care of yourself on some days. Therefore, you're not having a burning desire to be a parent. I think that's really good. What religion did you use the term Bible Belt to mention to talk about Pennsylvania. Is that considered a Bible Belt area?

22:20 Yes, and and know it's definitely like if you're looking at their like the dairy belt.

22:28 It's very there's a very strong religious. So you don't people talk about the Bible Belt to talk about bit, lower me, being from the north where I'm at. When we say Bible about, we understand that we're not talking about the Bible Belt, like you would hear about, on the news. So that's kind of a, I guess, you could say, a regional term for me but not like, if you get outside the cities in, Pennsylvania is still very, very, very religious and conservative until I got to the point to where, you know, a lot of like, hey,

23:06 You got to church on Sunday, you expect to participate in these things. You know, you're God-fearing. Don't take the lord's name in vain. So I got like cuz I'm I personally am. I grew up.

23:18 Any religious family. My mom still to this day. Tries really hard to get me to go to church and everything like that, and I just I never really bought into it, but I just

23:35 I'm very agnostic, you know, is there a God? Maybe if there is he's obviously not too. Interested in my day today, you know, those are my kind of feelings. But you know, I have the religious background. So, you know, I'm all about religious freedoms. I'm all for it. Not just you know Christianity like Islam, Hinduism jediism. I don't care cuz everybody everybody's got Burley beliefs and everybody's got morals.

24:09 If your, if your beliefs and morals come from a book that tell you to say, like, you should pray to this. You know, I'm the man being in the sky. It's really no different than, you know, somebody getting the morals for a buck to say, you know, hey, this is how you're a good person.

24:28 Are there down downsize that organized religion? Yes, or are there? Downsides to not or get having organized religion? Yes, you know, it's always going to be a give-and-take.

24:42 There's no good answer as far as I'm concerned. I mean, are you come from a religious background?

24:52 In fact, in New Orleans, the dominant religion is Catholicism there. Alot of Baptist people wanted to wish people. There's a growing community of Muslim and New Orleans, and even over here, where I live outside of New Orleans in the more conservative area, but

25:11 I was so devout that at a young age, it became very easy to recognize the hypocrisy in the church leaders. It was being Catholic. That was not increase at school and the stories that they told just brought me to tears when I was young. And so, sometimes I would be called, to read a, particularly devastating passage about people torturing Jesus and I could hardly get through it without getting emotional and nuns would be really cruel and say, hey to get it together. You're reading station 6 and I I I I realized these people are supposed to be teaching me this but they don't seem to be connected to the actual stories. They're teaching me which state their beliefs and so kind of around, I was probably between 14 and 15. When I really started

26:11 Being more Discerning about what I was observing and participating in and pretty much after that started to separate from the church and kind of went to an extreme because in my young life that's sort of what I did. If I if I was over here and I didn't like this, I would go over here and the older I get, the more likely I am to wind up in the center. But in my younger days I was prone to more more extreme reaction. And so for a while, I kind of issue doll religious beliefs and Layton life. Well, in my thirties, part of wanting to be a good human for my son, led me to look into other things and

27:01 Sort of reminds me of what you said. When we started this conversation, you said?

27:07 I'm we're all on the same side. We just have different views of how to get there. I did have my professor once tell me that he thought all religions have the same destination, but it was like you were in a different vehicle to get to that destination. And that's how I see it. Now anyting, you know, Sikhism Buddhism Judaism. Its it all seems to be about the same thing in terms of goals, but the beliefs in the practices and sometimes the costumes, or those things are all different, all the dressing of it.

27:51 And I I kind of like all of those things. Actually I've come to appreciate especially knowing friends my age. A lot of people have to move to a new community to take care of elderly. Parents, some people who live here and raise kids here and there. Now, you know, 60 and have to move back home to where they came from, and care for parents. And a lot of my friends are finding community in joining churches, even though they, they had not practice or attending church just because they're often good centers to meet good people. So I kind of see the value of religion, but I'm not practicing for this interview. I did like a Palo Santo stick, which is kind of a nice onesie, incense smell and took a few deep breaths. And I always think of practices like that, as what I wanted to happen when I was a young

28:51 In church. I wanted the rituals to make me feel more connected in the world and more settled inside myself. And I'll fine now that I can do that without belonging to a church. And I see, I can see why many people are drawn to it.

29:11 That's what you were saying. Kind of, I'm

29:15 And I'm not majoring in philosophy, but I'm a big, a big fan of philosophy of, right? A lot of philosophy, if I lost my glasses and I forget what philosopher was but he is like that City basically, you know, it was during the

29:31 Enlightenment era. So in philosophy was trying to break itself off from the church. She goes. And the basically the gist of it was that religion is a philosophy for the working class, you know, not everybody has the time the attention span or even the materials needed to sit down and formulate some complex way of how to live their life to the best, which is where religion stops in. You know, it's kind of not kind of a cookie cutter. Like here. This is the best fit for most people. You can continue on about your daily lives. And as long as you follow these rules, we can guarantee you at least some level of

30:11 Prosperity, which is kind of what you were. You were saying kind of made me think of that, you know, religion is great. But do you need religion to get the benefits of religion? Maybe not.

30:23 So, I definitely definitely understand what you're saying.

30:35 We have some diversion ideas. I wonder what they might be.

30:44 I don't like what I mean. Like I said.

30:52 It could just be from the errors were from.

30:55 You're being born in the 60s. I was born in the believe you said 60 is. I was born in the 90s. So,

31:02 What happened between then and there?

31:06 But I don't know if we're going to have a lot of agreement on a lot of things which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I mean that I mean that's a good product.

31:18 I was going to ask one way to kind of like answer that question that you just post a c which I like is like, how would you describe your political ideologies? This like if you're in an elevator with someone for one minute and you have time to explain like what are some things that you that are really important to you specifically?

31:39 All right. Like I said, I'm definitely liberal compared to my family. But you know, I'm definitely conservative on the Spectrum, you know, my big things. The big things that upset me the most, I guess. This is the easiest way to get it is

31:56 One, the idea that government should be taking care of the people. I don't think that's the purpose at least of the federal government and the federal government should just leave us alone. So I'm big and small government.

32:10 I don't buy into the current.

32:16 But I thought this I don't buy into the current, you know.

32:23 Story. Guess I'm trying to phrase this as best as possible.

32:29 Story that, you know,

32:33 Black lacquer. Not black lives but a black African Americans are being stuffed up on. Do I agree that racism existed? Yes. Do I agree that? The systems weren't fair for a very, very long time. And I mean up until fairly recently. Yes, but to the extreme that it is, I don't necessarily agree on

32:59 Are there a lot of black?

33:00 People in your community. Yes, being from State. I like being in State College. I definitely grew up. I mean, there's definitely a large vast Spectrum, everybody growing up. I can't say, I was around a lot of African. Americans are black, people lot of Asian, Asian Americans in, Pennsylvania, and turns out. When they fled Korea, during the Korean conflict, I guess they all decide to live in, Pennsylvania.

33:34 Like I said, I grew up very rural. My grandfather grew up in a very different era. He had some very strong beliefs. I don't necessarily agree with all of his beliefs, but I was definitely, you know, I definitely was showing them, you know, especially through military career, you know, I was all walks of life. I never looked at him different. We all wore the same color uniform. In fact, I reacted very poorly when racism was being thrown out like very, very,

34:09 Poorly, I don't see myself as a very racist person. Do I agree that there are still currently racist people? Yes, but I don't buy into the whole.

34:22 Systemic racism. I guess it's what I'm trying to say. But day is your question. Yes. I'm around a lot of them now and I've been around a lot of them for my life, but growing up during my you know, I would say no, it was very like I said,

34:38 Caucasian Asian.

34:42 We have a lot of people from Vietnam, actually. So Korea. Korean people settled in Pennsylvania. We have a huge community of Vietnamese here, but of course black people have been here and anybody who grows up around here grows up. Well, I would say post 19.

35:02 75 in in mesh in multicolor communities and

35:11 When I was in school, it was shortly after the Civil Rights era. So I started school in like 1967 and we usually had one black student, her class of 25 to 28 students. And I did often witness that black student being treated poorly sometimes by the teachers or the nuns and then growing up my mom and dad never had any friends, but you know, I never did really think well.

35:43 You know, Mom and Dad don't have friends. I never really noticed that. So I was an adult and I asked my mom one day, you know, why didn't you and Daddy? Really have friend and she said, we have a lot of friends in high school, but I was an unplanned pregnancy, right? At the end of high school. And when my mom went to a housewarming party in a community, not far from me now, but about 40 Mi out in New Orleans, her friends from high school who are all they're celebrating on one of the young. People's first home purchase has said, you know, you should really get out in New Orleans cuz that baby you're carrying might go to school with these people and he's some racial, you know, and my mom and dad made a decision to distance themselves from those people because of racism which my parents are both dead and I really always like kick myself for not asking now,

36:43 What made you make that decision because they were both by rate. They were raised by racist families. Who are not mean people. I mean, I was my grandpa, like you was the closest person to me. I didn't need them to step in as a father figure, but something about him and I really quit, and he was still a racist person. I would bring home a, I brought home boyfriend to wear black and I would introduce them to my grandparents. If they were over and my grandpa would put his hands in his pocket when my daed would extend a hand to be shaved. And now that I'm in school. I do have to call parents. Sometimes and sometimes why parents will tell me horrible things about why they think their students aren't doing. Well, you know, well, it's because they're hanging out with those. And so it really I'm really troubled by

37:43 Those kinds of things and

37:48 Sometimes in parent-teacher conferences. I see parents acting as so they can understand a black collie. So if I'm in a room with a lot of features, when a black teacher talks, some of the parents who are obviously just races say, I can understand what that person say.

38:10 So I think it's the, it's whether or not their systematic racism, kind of maybe depends on where you are. Maybe that's what it is. I mean,

38:23 Everybody is super friendly in Pennsylvania and where the sign and you know, where the gold star of the country, but I just, I never grew up with it. Like I said, there were black people in the school district. Never never die. Ever. See them treated differently. I like that. Like I said, you just dumb.

38:41 You just don't see it up here. Maybe that's like what you said. Maybe it's still very much where you're at is where you see it. Cuz like I said, I just I never grew up with and like I said, I'm willing to accept the fact that, you know, there's definitely racism in the world is still definitely exists. I just, like I said, I just don't buy into the bandwagon that we need to tear down every institution and rebuild from the ground up because it's in the system. I just don't. I don't necessarily buy. Is there a lot of work that could be done. Is there a lot of work to be done? Yes. I just you know, is it?

39:17 Is it a disease now?

39:21 That's kind of to your point of small government. I've appreciated federal government because at times, it's helped. I got food stamps for about seven months, when I was a young mother. And so I have, I have appreciation for sometimes. It's better with government stepping in and helping FEMA hurricane assistance. Those things are federal and I appreciate that. But I do think that local small government should have the most weigh in on how to address eels, cuz they are very endemic, two different, geographic, regions in cultures. And so many factors that change depending on who you are and where you are.

40:08 I think we're like, we're out of time.

40:13 All right, there was something that was suggested. We ask in closing. I will ask saying, is there anything you learned about me today? That surprise you.

40:35 I want to say no and I don't want to say that as a negative.

40:41 Like I said, I came into this.

40:44 With the beliefs and mindset that we are, you know, no matter where you are, or where you all are human, and therefore are very, very similar in

40:59 The end goal beliefs and wow, maybe I could say that we agreed a lot more tighter than it. Then maybe I was expecting to come out of today. I know I'm not, I'm not really surprised with how this meeting went cuz it went exactly. As I, I kind of

41:19 You know, I kind of figured it would hoped it would, so no, but in a good way.

41:28 Do you have any?

41:30 Just me and closing.

41:33 Not particularly. Like I said, a lot of the questions I had lined up and a lot of the big-ticket items that popped up was were talking. Just kind of got answered through natural conversation, focused on the flip side. I was actually wanted to ask you the same question. Closing. Is there anything that I caught you off-guard harder wasn't expecting.

41:53 I think I have a similar, but different answer and I'll say yes. It's surprised me that we didn't have greatly to Virgin ID.

42:05 So,

42:07 That was a surprise.

42:10 Happy one. I guess maybe maybe not everybody thinks the same thing. Nothing gets done, I guess.

42:17 I like that there were commonalities even if we probably think things should happen, differently may be in the world, but

42:26 Some common Come and goals.

42:30 So,