Steven Erickson, Patricia Erickson, and Hannah Mitchell

00:03 I'm Steve Erickson 60 years old. Today's date is Wednesday, November 6th 2019 here in Dallas, Texas, and I'm here with my wife Patty until introduced herself.

00:20 My name is Patty Erickson and will my name is actually Patricia, but my mother was the only one that ever called me that and only when she was angry, so I don't generally go by that today's date is Wednesday, November 6th. 2019 location is Dallas, Texas, and I'm here with my husband Steve and our friend Hannah.

00:40 My name is Hannah Mitchell. I am 35 today's date is Wednesday, November 6th, 2019. We are in Dallas, Texas and I'm here with Steve and Patty Erickson. Whitehaven had a question about that and they are my friends.

00:57 And we're here probably talk about how we knew Hannah years ago and how we sort of lost track of of Hannah and and how we reconnected it this again about a year ago. So I'll I'll start the story just a little bit and Hannah would come over and play with our daughter when Hannah was about 11 years old and our daughter was about 9 and we lived across the street from each other and what are you? What do you remember about that time? Hannah was kind of crazy at that moment my mother suffered from schizophrenia and manic depression. And so I was in and out of school, but at that point when we were living across the street from y'all, I was not in school. I was supposed to be in 6th grade.

01:47 So having a playmate was in a big deal cuz I don't have any friends at school. So any kind of interaction with anybody even if it meant I had to wait till 3 every day was was something so had a friend across the street and we would play and we would play piano to play board games and watch TV and I think we play Barbies all the time and she would come over but I think I remember spending the night over there a few times even and it was just so fun to see how a normal family react, you know acted with each other. So it was it was it was nice to have a normal something every once in a while will and that's when you know, what you was after you spent the night that last time that the incident happens that to you you disappeared and you would come over to spend the night. I told you we knew that there were issues with your mom and and all I we were more than happy to always have you over to just try to give you a little break from that and try to give her a break to

02:47 Gotcha, you spend the night and I know you aren't in school. And I and I made them is what I decided later was a mistake. I asked you where you were going to school because I knew that you obviously weren't him. I didn't think you're being homeschooled and and our daughter has started a new school at here. And so I asked you and you you told me very quickly that your mother had enrolled you in Tyler Street Academy and you're going to be starting at Tyler Street Academy in unfortunately, both of my nieces went to school there. So I knew which is a private school is that it is a probably expensive to his private private school and all but you know, they had funding for for kids that said it couldn't always afford it. So I thought will make the time I said, oh, my niece is both go to school there. If you let me know who your teacher is. I can introduce you things and you gave me a look that was like a deer in the headlights. I thought I probably shouldn't have said that but I didn't think anything more about it until the next morning when you got up really early and you announce Tori suddenly before breakfast. I have to go.

03:47 I'll be back later and you left all of your things and you went home and we never saw you again.

03:53 Oh, wow, I didn't realize it was just so abrupt. It was very abrupt end. And I know I kept waiting for you to come back that day. Cuz your things were all there and I got all your things together and you never came back and I walk across the street and knocked on the door and nobody would answer the door and tried that for several days. I tried leaving note. So I try and I try tell Steve I said, I don't think I should have said something to her about the school because it may have triggered something with him. She would have said something or not going to trigger something with her mom's schizophrenia. And and this may be a bad thing and should have it. That's what it turned out. If you have been a bad thing this week. I couldn't get her to answer the door and she never let you come over again. I don't have a whole lot of memory of how many I know I could tell you activities like rollerblading and playing games and and just playing but I don't know.

04:51 Gosh, I can't even tell you how many times play 13 dead end drive. We may still have you an extra maybe one of the thing of yours that we have. I think we have an extra copy of 13 dead end drive on our next dinner. We will I'll bring that along to but then so that was the last day that you actually came over Patty uzar one more time actually and we went for a couple of weeks and I kept going over. I kept knocking on the door. I didn't leave note saying what I just want to return your saying so, you know, I'm sorry if we did something wrong. Just let me know and I'll actually remember I think elspeth probably left a note. Should I think I remember reading that one. She may have left a note also but I left a couple I put one in the mailbox and I put a couple I should just leave them under the door and if it won't they'll have to see them this way and

05:51 I got no response and I would get little glimpses of you upstairs in the windows. But just how I knew somebody was there but I couldn't get you to open the door and then then it was it was sometime in October and the weather had turned cool and I was in our office upstairs which is on the front of the house and I heard the sound of voices and I looked out the window and I saw your mom and you were falling after her and you're walking down the street toward data stored at the bus stop and you looked like you had on every article of clothing you could possibly wear. It's all in these layers and it was much too much clothing for the weather.

06:28 And your mom is carrying a bag and I thought they're leaving mom is Mom has decided. She's in there living and I was I was really worried about you and I thought what am I going to do is around to the back of the house where I had left. I still have all of your things but I've had gotten put in a cabinet I had to dig them out and I pulled out everything's I thought this will give me an opportunity to go speak to her without being so I ran outside. I had your things in my arms are pajamas in your game and Wishbone and and you weren't there. Everybody was gone. That's so I jumped in the car and I drove around and figured it was just like you'd walked off the planet.

07:09 And you know he got home and I told him what happened and I said, I don't think they're coming back. And so we waited and I guess it was I don't know. It wasn't too long. After that that we saw the landlord across the street and Steve went over to talk to him and he said I'm evicting them. Everything is going to be going out on the curb. You know, we're going to put everything out and then we ask for permission to look through things and can we come in and look to see if we can maybe find some information that might help us figure out where they went and an in and it was our intention to sitting up any civil my workers that come they have permission take anything. They want that anything. They don't want you can look through and you can have and so when they started putting out boxes at the curb we started going through when he pulled out paperwork we pulled out bills. We pulled out your schoolwork. We saved everything of yours that we could we could then some new school photos.

08:09 Kept some of those week one of your baby shoes. I mean, it was just all sorts of random stuff. It was all the stuff that wouldn't be means something to someone from a child's dresser that we kept there at the house and we're hoping to return to you but elspeth used it for years. And now that we had your wager bad we had your dresser and and we had these boxes and boxes of things. Well, it was in pieces when we found it was it was dismantled all ready yet, but we bought the piece of that they sent in our garage for a long time, but you know, we we we just wanted to make sure I had in that time. I had already called the police, you know, when you didn't come back. I called the police and I tried to talk to my tried to file a missing persons report. They told me I couldn't do it because I wasn't family and it didn't matter anyway, because you were with your mom I said you do.

09:09 Understand her mom is mentally ill and this is a child that may be in danger. And I and I knew from from seeing her behavior and watching and in speaking with her I could tell that there were problems because she would be very different from one time to the next end and I've been around that sort of behavior before in my own family when I was a child and I recognized it recognize what the signs were and and of course you had, you know, we had said some things about your mom to that that kind of clued me into that as well. Tell me when she would tell me a lot of things and I was allowed to say but she never said anything about me saying about her mental health. I think she probably just assume that I wouldn't do if somebody asked me about it. I would divulge anything about that. So but you would talk about your mom being afraid and I would talk to her realize it was it was paranoid. She would go through.

10:09 Episodes of paranoia where she thought somebody was watching her if she thought somebody was spying on her since she said things to me, you know, I knew that there was much more going on than I was seeing and jaw and so I tried I tried contacting the police and things like that and I tried contacting called the police are we can't do nothing about it and I said well, okay who else can I contact so I tried calling Child Protective Services and they told me the same thing with the police won't do anything that we can if the child with her mother and her mother has legal custody, but when somebody is mentally ill isn't there something you would do and they said well know and I I was kind of at a dead end at that point and then we went to church and we're talking about it was still lose after church and we all went out to lunch. I think can and friend of ours Mary. Was there married with someone if elspeth Sunday school teachers and unbeknownst remarry work for child protective services. She was about to retire but in telling her this story about you and your mother and how you do

11:09 It appeared. She said I think I know her grandfather. Oh, yeah, he was brand on it and she said was her grandfather a dentist and I said, I don't know Aunt but she knew who he was. She knew the whole story. She knew your mother she knew about you and she said you had as a child you had like been up there at the church to do my mother's day out or something. So she knew about you and she also my mother with all that she had going on with also an alcoholic and so she went to an AA meeting for the church all the time. I don't know the name of the Christian Church. Yes. And so Mary said, let me get hold of her grandfather and tell him what's going on and see if he knows anything cuz he don't listen to We have all of their as much as we could get. We have all of their things in the garage. We want to know that she's okay and we just want to be able to give her things back if she wants them if they need them because you obviously walked away with nothing.

12:09 And and so Mary got hold of your grandfather and I got a phone call from him and we chatted on the phone and I told him everything that I knew and he said he said let me let me see what I can do and we chatted for a long time and I told him everything at that point Steve had also he gone through your mom's journals and he's gotten the names of like old boyfriends from the journals and he contacted at least one of those people in probably don't know where they are. But he gave us some ideas on where she might have gone where she might have taken you and and he said I'll do anything I can to try and help because he was you know, he was worried about you and your welfare as well. And so and I gave your grandfather the information and he said he said well, do you know

13:05 End of the conversation but he didn't give me any contact information for him. And so I didn't hear anything more from and I thought well, maybe we've done all we can for right now, but he knows that we have your things and and then I don't know why do I went by was a number months maybe a year or so and then I got another phone call. It was from your brother probably John and it was John and he said that he had talked to your grandfather and he was worried about where you might be and he wanted to get custody of you and he was trying to do this and he wanted all of the information so I went through the whole thing again told him all of the leads that we come up with. It hadn't panned out and gave him, you know Glenn's number and at 8 all the stuff.

13:50 And didn't hear any more and the thing is that you know, every year we go out clean out the garage will be doing something we'd find your things. We find the boxes when we go through the boxes and look at your things. We can never bring herself to get rid of them cuz it's like what we're going to find out. What happened. What do you remember about then? I don't actually remember leaving. I do remember being at the Greyhound bus station cuz we we were my mother didn't work, but she was getting death benefits for my father. And so we got I think it was like, I don't know $860 a month which for that time. Remember your father know. I was 9 months old when he passed away and that was from cancer.

14:41 I remember being at the bus station. I don't remember waiting for a bus or anything. It's kind of patchy that memory, but I should have been in 6th grade. Yes got on the bus and we were on our way to

14:57 Oh gosh, I don't remember what our ticket was the destination was for but we got off early and we got off in Marshall Texas just random. It was almost a middle of the night and we started walking down the main Highway and found a hotel and we stayed there and we stay there as long as they would let us without kicking us out because I think we only paid 400 maybe two or three nights and we just stayed as long as they would let us stay there for a while then we moved to another like a motel.

15:31 Stay there until the money ran out again. Cuz I think of this when I had been a month and we we just wore out our welcome at the right. It was a Holiday Inn, and then we went to was called Travel Inn in Marshall, Texas and we stayed there and they let us do that while they were going to kick us out. And then my mother said well, I'll be a maid for the the motel and so she did that for we both did it for about 2 weeks and all this time. I'm not in school, you know telling everybody I'm homeschooled. So for after after 2 weeks, they basically said you're not making enough here as a maid to be able to stay here. So they kicked us out. And of course we have nowhere to go. So we stayed in there's a patch of woods right behind the mall that was out there. So we my mother call the camping which now I don't like to camp but our clothes we had our bags of clothes we slept because it was no cooking and it wasn't

16:31 Cold at the time out at that point. So it was fine. Now the knights will get a little bit chilly. And then for whatever reason we found a mattress cover and it was the best sleep I had gotten in so long as I got into it and it was it was like a greenhouse, you know, you got nice and toasty warm about my mother with me in the middle of night. She said we have to get out of this. It's wet in here cuz we're making so much anyway, so I was so angry about that. But anyways, so somebody alerted the authorities that we were down there and the cops came down there and they basically said, okay, this is not good. It's a small town so that, you know can CPS and that's really get involved. But there was a lady in the community who said I'll take them in and so we went and stayed with her not long probably two or three days and then she couldn't handle anymore probably watching my mother. I mean she would talk to herself so that that's that's scary. And so they put us up or the 6th at Middletown put us up in another hotel, which was actually cross the street from the other one. We were staying up and I don't remember the name of it, but

17:31 Wear out our welcome their the town was only going to pay for a few nights until we can get our our feet back on the ground, but that wasn't going to happen. So we got our next month check in and I think this process probably was on what we left in July. I want to say three or four months we were there and then we went got on the Greyhound again September October and then we went all the way through July to so it must have been almost a year in Memphis. And again, I don't remember what the destinations of all these tickets were but I know we got off and we actually landed there landed we stopped their Dua for cuz they're all the fireworks for July 4th, and we got off the bus and we went and had some wonderful barbecue because we still have money from her, you know, social security check and the Very but I think we we didn't actually go anywhere that night. We just kind of walked around on.

18:31 How long in Memphis and then the next day we went to a homeless shelter and we were there for a good while I finally talked to my mother into applying for the civil servant position as a postal carrier and we had she's fill out paperwork just got in the next life and I'm just so ecstatic and I don't know how to read a map trying to get to this test that she has to take and we turned the wrong way. Anyway, we end up being late and she's angry. She's just live it and you know, she's having all of these weird things in her mind and she doesn't know what's up from down and I'm trying to be the normal one. And anyway, so she doesn't make that test and we go back and she's angry and whatever at that point. I think I turn.

19:20 Gosh, I must have been 12 or

19:24 Or 13. I don't know how the time it, you know, it's it's difficult to compress is over. Yes, right. So we leave Memphis at this point. We're getting another check, you know, and we go to Windsor Ontario Canada and we get all the way up there and we find

19:43 I think we go straight.

19:47 See, I don't remember we went there but I don't know what time of day we got there. Anyway, we ended up at this mobile home park, but they have these little Cottages. They had two Cottages in their 1-bedroom 1-bath little itty bitty things, but they were perfect. They're perfect for us and we paid for the first month rent and maybe even the second month and then we just kind of stayed there as long as we could and the winter was so rough, but there was such wonderful older people there one lady took me to go get winter boots and cats boots one lady took me to go get a jacket and then one person gave me a bike so I can get around and then one lady even let me so things that she was selling there were scrunchies and I would so that ends up for in sheet. They were these great big old bag, so probably

20:36 Two and a half feet long and you know just big bags of scrunchies and I would so much to give me five bucks every time I gave her a bag and I would use that money to go buy breakfast stuff for me and let you know we don't have all the money so we didn't we didn't really eat consistently, but I would go and get donuts or something. That was very what we would say high in carbs now, but it last week of the day and so did that and then one day my mother and she was not in her right State she was here angry that I had money and I wasn't spending it on her or she was angry that she didn't have a cigarette that you know, it could have been a slow. I think it just whatever it was. It wouldn't have made sense and she got angry and she yelled at me which was the first time that she had ever really gone off on me. I've seen her go off on other people to protect me. She was always very protective of me, but it was the first time that she had kind of turned on me and I thought all right. This is the end of the line that says I obviously I'm not in school and not getting fed.

21:36 I'm not getting close. I'm relying on everybody else except for my mother to take care of me. And I know that this isn't right and I have to get help. So I went to one of my neighbor friends who had originally I'm helped me with one of the various things that I needed and I said here's what's going on here. Here's my journey that I've got. I've gone through. I've not been in school and I told you I have been but you know that I think I need to go to the police. And so she first took me to McDonald's and she got me the biggest breakfast on the menu and she had one of her friends meet us up there cuz he know they're older, you know that they rely on each other. So then we went to the police station and I'm talking to the Mount easier.

22:21 Telling them my whole story and they're just it's a small Canadian town too and they're just looking at me. Like what in the world are you doing? This is nothing this can't be real. And of course, they were American they contact the American government and say hey, this is what's going on and they deport us so I have to be at the being held at the Canadian.

22:49 A police station and then I have to get into the one of their cars and we go back to the house so I can get some of my things and of course they've got my mother loaded up into the back of one of the police vehicles and they're going to deport her too. So we get deported over. This is a hold a process we get deported over to Detroit and we going to the bridge and it's late at this point. Probably 11:00. Can you just remember up the steam coming up from the sewers and I would agree most amazing thing I've ever seen just you know, this is supposed are the things that you remember they put me into a foster not Foster a group home and it's a big facility to have a dorm for the girls have a dorm for the boys and they have a dorm for long-term people and I was there a good eight months I think about your mother. Where was your mother then she was at a woman shelter and said she would come to visit and I must not have been very far because she could come and visit me and she would visit me every weekend until my social worker told me that I needed to make a decision on if I was

23:49 Be staying with her at not are not under 13 you're having to make a decision about so I told her that it's probably not a good idea unless she's going to get mental help and I knew there was no guarantee that she was going to even if she did get help that she was going to a standard medication be make sure that I'm always taken care of and I didn't know she was going to turn on me again. Not not out of spite that I want this but I'm for my safety. So you had enough maturity even if that aged understand that that was going to be an important decision for you and maybe I had some help making those decisions, you know, I don't know but I know that I made the decision and I had to I had to be the one that physically told I think it may have been the law that I said to her. This isn't going to happen anymore. I'm very sorry, you know, and so I had to have that conversation and she immediately stood up and left in that was so I can tell you the day May 8th 1998 that I do remember and she left.

24:49 Ironically, that is my husband's birthday is May 8th. So she got up and left and I hadn't seen her. I haven't seen her since but after that I want to say two months after that. They put me in a foster home in Holly Michigan and stayed there actually going to go back a little bit probably the time that you talk to my brother. I have been in contact with him and Michigan in Canada. He was talking to me back and forth so I can collect calls to him and he may have gotten a hold of me. And then that's when the communication stops with you. Okay back to you cuz I was that's good to know.

25:30 Anyway, so I'm in a foster home. And you know, I'm sure there are way worse ones. But this one wasn't great. There were lots of us and we were all crammed into you know, two-bedroom. Well as three bedroom, there were two kids bedrooms and there was one two, three, four five there were six of us and I was Miss categorized as a person as a person with learning disabilities. They put me in this home with other kids who were not able really took think correctly. So it was I was really out of my element and I didn't know how to converse with all these people and it was just very hot. Anyway. I got a hold of one of my friends from Oak Cliff with his in Dallas and they were in Dallas.

26:13 And there she was my friend from third grade. Anyway, I got a hold of her and I said hey, I just want to let you know if this is where I'm at and I'm in Michigan and want to talk to my friend. You know, what just a little girl chatstep wanted to be normal again anyway, so that her mother got a hold of the whole situation and she said, okay, what do we need to do to get her back down here and she did all the classes and all that stuff in Texas talk to Michigan and they made it work where I can go back home and be under the Texas system. So she took classes in things and then also had to take care of children. And of course, I'm still being categorized under this special needs. So then she had to take those extra classes. I'm sure so the process probably took I want to say for 5 months. It was it was halfway through my ninth-grade year that I got to come back to Texas. It was December 99

27:11 I think that's right or not know it was the following. I don't remember whatever your I started freshman year. So it was still that same year that my mother I just saw my mother. I don't know what months that was May 8th May 8th and then I got to come home December. So just a little bit after I'd never and she laughed my mother left. Then I went to the foster home and I was there till December and then December 12th is when I came back to Texas and then I've been here ever since and he moved in with the family of your friend from progress. Yes. Yes, so they let you know I was a year behind a school and school. So when I was in Middle School in Michigan, I worked my little tail off to make sure that I was going to start 9th grade when I was supposed to start 9th grade and graduate, you know High School in 2002 when I was supposed to

28:11 One semester 7th grade and I did eight grandma in in summer school. So I'm surprised they let me do that, but they didn't they why was it important to know what I want to be with my my peers if I was going to go back to school with all these people that I used to know. I want to at least be in the same grade as though. That's important to you and I wasn't I didn't actually except for Alex who was at my friend. She was the only one that I really got back into contact with as far as friends go but I still want I wanted that normalcy. I wanted that I'm I'm back to where I was even though a lot had happened and I had to go through a lot of years of therapy, but that that felt normal to learn that you had come back and been so close to us and we just didn't know but but we be kept your things in the garage for 20 years.

29:11 There's two sides to this is my side is I'm on that by the elementary school that I went to is Lida hooe Elementary in Oak in Dallas and I posted on that page. I'm going to ask me that y'all had even been searching for me for so many years and I said, hey, does anybody have any school photos from these years? I mapped out the years or does anybody know if there was a year because I just desperate for kids. I desperately want to see if my kids looks like me and any capacity cuz I feel like they all look like my husband. So when I put that out there that nobody had anything you saw and he came to me and he said, you know, we've been looking for him all these years, right? And I said, yes, he said I think I may have finally found her. I was just like I don't believe that I can't believe you've where is she and he said she's right here.

30:02 And what was interesting and I don't know when you posted that but it must have just been a couple of weeks just about a year ago in late November that I've been on Facebook for about a year and it occurred to him and I was home one night and it was thinking about you again, and I thought I'm going to go and look at look at that box of things. I pulled out a picture and I thought well I should be able to maybe look up by your name realizing that you could be married in the name was changed until I said I started searching different ways and and my first attempt wasn't

30:46 The correct but I made a post and if I could read a little bit from

30:56 From the post that I put on Facebook and I was looking for you and I said a true story the memories are not mine, but I've kept them for 20 years. Maybe I will get to return them to their owner these particular memories during two boxes in our garage. Some pictures toys dolls essays books. They belong to a girl named Hannah used to live across the street from us in an apartment house.

31:18 She was probably 12 or 13. I was off a little bit when she played with my oldest daughter who is nine at the time I think and I had to come over to play a few times after one of those visits. My wife has Hannah's mom why Hannah did not seem to be going to any school. Maybe it was a coincidence. But Hannah and Her Mother moved out for a suddenly soon afterwards. I wrote a song about it later that made my daughter cry. It was part of it.

31:43 Hannah brought her dolls that day. She didn't my daughter laughed and played but there was sadness interface Beyond at 13 years. The dolls were dressed in Denim and Suede and work clothes that Hannah made as I recall that was day just before she disappeared.

32:05 And it sparked the song part. It's not completely true is based on truth. But some of it was also based on something. We found a few weeks later and when I imagined it to mean the apartment owner was getting rid of the things in the apartment. They left without paying rent. We asked to keep some of the things

32:22 But we also check their mail keeping it for them and sorting through to look for some way of contacting her mom and 1 day in the mail came in. Envelope. It look like a reply from a company that helps you start your own business and it seemed to indicate that Hannah is mother was considering starting a business in her daughter's name including the envelope included in the envelope was a pocket calendar embossed with the monitor Hannah's handmaid's I speculated what this might mean while they were some craft items. I'm going to Hannah's things. I didn't really find any handmade clothes for dolls for dolls are people but Hannah's mother seemed to think that they could have a business or Hannah was making something.

33:02 And so I imagined that they were making clothes.

33:08 They're religious of what states can cost and evidence of a childhood lost and secrets Zone within the cost of the clothes that Hannah made.

33:19 We discovered other things in the Box as well some too personal to share here, but based on documents and letters in the boxes and his father seemed to have died his mom was frequently behind on bills and the mom's relationship with her own parents seem to be troubled. We didn't find a lot of happiness in the boxes.

33:36 Possessions pushed out on the curb two months gone and still no word from had a hold of her mother. So we searched the things for Clues makeshift Boys in roller skates, a diary scrawled on Notebook page is told of a father dad and family estranged and not much left to lose and there were Legends of our mistakes can cost at evidence of a child who lost and stories told about the car and the clothes that had a maid.

34:12 It was an act of desperation. It was blind determined with that. They began a business trying to use the daughters skill. They should have known those handmade clothes could never bring enough, but they do anything to hold on to the only person they had left alone.

34:36 Eventually, my daughter asked about him as I guess. She wouldn't I even wrote this encounter into the song.

34:43 Although I should have handled it better in reality than what I did in the song in reality. I showed my nine-year-old daughter this rather sad song I wrote and she went crying into a room. I should have just done as I wrote it. My daughter asked the other day if I could come over to play so I explained she going away to where I didn't know.

35:10 And so we said a little prayer that Hannah may be safe somewhere and then I ran my fingers through her hair and held her very close.

35:23 And it goes on at top of how I went out to the garage and I looked looked through the boxes and I found the picture and I post that on posted this note on Facebook and put the picture when searching for you and found your your note that you had posted looking for pictures because when I was looking on Facebook, of course, I was looking for your maiden name and thought I wasn't immediately finding you, but I found it that note of someone from Lida hooe looking for photos.

35:58 And there was I got that message in church and I couldn't believe it was real and I looked at my husband I start crying but person saves things for that long for someone else.

36:10 Mutual crazy people live in Oak Cliff

36:17 Things that I had wanted for such a long time pictures of myself baby items pictures that I had drawn just childhood back. He was everything we could have hoped for because every time we went through those boxes and repack them and move the massage the site, you know, every time I think we should we get rid of these. No, we're not going to get rid of these one of these days one of these days we're going to front time that deal because we knew that your mother was trouble that all

36:46 How can how can little girl you know grow up being adult? How can I recover and become become an adult how troubled is she going to be? What kind of a problem see you in heaven than me met you and become such a strong strong Confident Woman can be prouder of you than if we were yes. My my son looks just like me there is one of my oldest daughter's daughter also looks when we last knew you when you were 11.

37:25 What's up? It's been such a joy to meet you and get to know you again. This is been everything I could have asked for a more. Really. I'd never thought I'd see anything of my past ever ever ever again and just have a piece of it back means the world to me and to show my kids might my youngest daughter plays with my Barbies now, you know most moms can say that and now I can to it's been an incredible joy for us.

37:53 And today we've got to return the dog, so.

38:06 Thank you. You don't know what that means. It means the world. It really truly does for y'all to have done that for me, but we do think of you.

38:17 Multiple times a year for years. So it was good to be able to find you and get to know you if it's is the pleasure I make jokes, but truly it could have gone probably pretty South on y'all. You know, you just wanted to know I just happy just to know what happened. I truly know.