Tajay Ramos and Ashley Zalabak

00:02 My name is Ashley zalabak. I am 30 years old. Today's date is November 14th. 2019. We are in Charleston South Carolina name of my interview partner is Ty J Ramos, and she was my intern in the high school intern program of the South Carolina Aquarium. My name is Taz A Ramos. I'm 18 years old today is November 14th 2019. Where in Charleston South Carolina? My interview partner is Ashley zalabak? She is my old boss and now my friend. Oh, that's so sweet to me. We're friends. I'd like to start out of the question for you. And this is a very important question. Who's your favorite person at the aquarium?

00:44 Ashley you're fired. And I know my favorite person is you because you hired me because I gave you your life of Fame aquarium. So how did you know that you wanted to be a sea turtle biologist once you started this internship because working in sea turtle recovery. I really loved and I loved what they do and I just thought that's what I should do. That was my first like heart pool, but I want to think about earlier because somebody said you don't like the beach be going to be a teacher biologist. I know how are you going to do the sea turtle releases? Add the beans? Well, that's fine. I don't know if it's just for a little bit and the new book releases.

01:35 I figured silent have to like laying the sand poster. What do you not like about the beach sand?

01:42 And the wind in the new Josh actually doesn't like the busy. They're saying stays with you for a while after you leave the beach like two days. You'll still find it in your car through Josh doesn't really like a BG there even though our relationship with my husband Josh a relationship started going to the beach and now we never go because he's like, I don't really feel like going because this and this and this

02:08 No Source killer.

02:11 I have another question for you. What do you wish everybody in South Carolina knew about the aquariums work? I wish that they would know we do not keep animals in captivity. I think that's a good one. What do you mean like, we don't hold animals hostage here. They're here for a reason and one of the reasons either to be real.

02:35 Mike Weber DC has a hurt Wing so she can't survive outside by herself. So they have to go through rehab to be here. Most of them can't survive important cuz we can teach people about being are there conservation work? I do a lot of conservation work. Also if you don't realize that either was one of the things we open sea turtle recovery. I was really excited about because even though we had the teachers in the hospital they were downstairs and they weren't on the first floor until people would come and see a crime. They didn't even know that we had a sea turtle hospital and that their money when they came into the crime was going to the sea turtles because we have eggs in it and they can say you do such a good job interacting with. Thanks.

03:22 How you even arrived at being at the aquarium? Do you know my story now Ashley? How did I get here? Well, I was a little girl started a long long time ago and Ashley was just a wee babe. I went to Sea World came back to this is how it all started. I went to SeaWorld camp and I was like in middle school and I got to go to Discovery Cove. Have you heard of it? Where you from again? But I went with my cousin Jimmy we were at at SeaWorld so is in Orlando and it was SeaWorld camp and we got to go to Discovery Cove and you get have you heard of it before? Yeah. It's like heaven on Earth. Yes. There's like all these really cool animal encounters you can do it and we got to swim with the dolphins and afterwards I was like, I want to be a marine biologist. I specifically wanted to be a dolphin trainer, which is interesting because we don't have Dolphins at the South Carolina Aquarium, but that's okay. So I just love dolphins and I like love the marine life and I love everything at Discovery Cove and I like this is

04:22 I want to do and so when it came time to apply for college, I was like, well, I like marine biology and I want to go to College of Charleston because it's down by the water and then maybe I can go to the aquarium in so I got I remember I got into Clemson and College of Charleston. You don't know this my boyfriend from high school my like First Love boyfriend was going when to come and hear that you're older than me and I apply to Clemson and I was like wanted to go there literally just for him because I didn't have a marine biology program and thank goodness. I didn't get in but yes. My current husband, so I was not tempted to go to come soon cuz I didn't get in and I did get into college house and I was like, okay, this is a sign. I'm supposed to be marine biology. So I went and then I had to take organic chemistry and I'm calling my dad crying so long story, dad crying and being like this is not a broom.

05:15 I want to do chemistry and physics and all I do math like this is really hard and you think I should just stick it out you can do it and I'm so glad I did because now I'm able to do that every time I meet with my advisor if I look at the list of all the classes I have to take and I just want to cry and my mom and my dad are just like push through college and is not going to be like classes about fish. I mean we had some when I was like a senior, but you can come back through all of the undergrad stuff about plants xylem and phloem rocks. Yes plant ecology psychology class. Like I do have a job opening at the aquarium in the education department and I was like education like, I don't really think I want to be a teacher but it's a job requirement about to graduate. So I'll apply I applied after is already closed, but she emailed

06:15 My boss Brian and was like ashes really great. She's sitting in her application. So I did and and I got it I interviewed and I got it and then as soon as I start working here, I was like this is perfect. I love talking to people and I let me ballengee. So I didn't realize I wanted to do education then threw that I found the teen program somebody was out on maternity leave in there. Like we need you to fill in for the teen programs, which you also don't know. I don't think and then I was like, oh my God, this is like the audience. I love working with like this is reminds me of when I was a teenager and didn't know what I wanted to do. So it like working with teens with smile. I hope I can get it right out of college.

06:57 Program is I know she knows, and then talk about some of your world currently. So the teen programs that have evolved over time. But when I took it over first from the girl's name is Kate Collier High School intern program and it is targeted for low-income students in the Tri-County area and Charleston to come and work at the aquarium that get paid to go on field trips and then to interact with our guests during the summer and you're handling animals and getting an idea of what it's like to work at the aquarium. Mostly medication Department also has some experience with the animals to I'm in my current role is our our teen programs manager is on the manager of the high school intern program. So basically big boss, so proud of you out real. Thanks. Ash so good.

07:49 My story is super different from Ashley's my junior year of high school. I had a friend named Aubrey who did the high school internship and he pushed me to do it so bad, even though I did not want to do it and he made me apply for it. And after I applied for it, I got a call or an e-mail actually which invited me to do an interview with Ashley and Marzia who are my two bosses and then after the interview, I got a letter a couple days before Christmas and it was like a Christmas present kind of and I got the training classes. So I was accepted out of a country's applications to 25 for the training classes. We went through and we were invited for another interview after we learn how to build a resume and properly go through an interview and we went through another interview with Ashley and Marzia and from the 20 I was picked to be 10, so I got to work through the summer and I got to

08:45 Really learn about the aquarium and everything even though I didn't want to when I first started I got to learn about everything and I thought I wasn't going to like holding a snake or an alligator or feeding stingrays. I really didn't think it I was and then we had our final exit interview in this exact room. So yeah, and I was sitting in this exact spot when she asked me if I would like to go from 10 to 2 people who would work another year at the aquarium. And so I was chosen to be a high school intern Mentor for 2019. So I got to work another summer will hold another year. I got to work in the offseason and then I got to work in the summer and I got to be a mentor to 10 new people who are now

09:32 They're not interested anymore, but I trained them kind of training. Anyway, I'm So Lonesome. So you want and live better lives just like you do what they want to do for him kind of top the my ropes and hopefully they like what I did and I think I was a good school. Do you have a leg up on me? Because I did not do that. And now I go to school to study Marine Science, but I go to Coastal Carolina University. I did not do that was Charleston cuz he wanted to get away from home a little bit. Yeah.

10:05 Ashley

10:07 The Internship experience

10:09 Yeah, my experience during the internship. I originally wanted to go to school to be an anesthesiologist who makes lots of money so different career paths, they make lots of money. I shouted it anesthesiologist at MUSC and I like the fast pace that she was doing and then I came and I got the internship and I like learning about different animals and they have a different job every single day depending on the patient or which Turtle they're looking at. I also like how they gon releases. I think that's super cool and I think when I held a sea turtle for the first time, I think that's when my mind really I knew what I wanted to do and I thought that was so cool. So just like Caitlin and Mackenzie, I think they're the coolest people. So now that's what I want to do before you are now going to be an anesthesiologist procedure.

11:09 I hope I taught you that during the high school intern program the value of loving your work you love your job. I love my job every day so positive and have to be positive and happy when you love your job.

11:24 Ask me a question. Okay. I'll ask you a question.

11:31 Sorry.

11:34 Ashley what is your favorite memory at the aquarium has I know you have so many even though I do have a lot with me.

11:47 I was just thinking about a memory with a snake pooped on me. Tell you that one to be with you?

11:54 I think it was when this is one of them. I don't know it's kind of hard to pick but now I'm just your favorite part of a blay probably when I came to like check up on you as a mentor with the interns is the beginning of the summer. So you're like just getting inside Mentor role and I wanted to make sure that you're feeling comfortable in that role. When I asked you to train another intern and up to listen to ask you to train another intern on the sea turtle hospital and I get there to like help you along or like maybe add some facts in there. So just assuming that like maybe you would need some help which was my fault because I ever mean every time I open my mouth to say something you said it and you like knew everything there was to know about the sea turtles in the hospital like more than I knew like, I mean you couldn't have done a better job and so I was like, okay and after a couple minutes, I like stepped back and was like you learned a lot from you so I don't really mind path.

12:54 I know it's true. I'm awake. Oh my gosh look cuz I'm just like so proud like a proud mama and I work here is done. I'm going to leave her now tell me for so long and it was like the full transition was so good right before I turned Seventeen crazy is going to be fun to see what your kids and my different. Am I that bad or good good? You have a kid? Who's the cutest baby that you know?

13:42 Thank you. What's your favorite memory as an intern as a mentor was when you let me help soothe her at all. That's my favorite memory. That was just nobody else is going to do I know.

14:06 Yeah.

14:08 The first time I actually have the seats out of his shoes and very happy. Her name was Bonsai and she weighed about 260 lb and I remember just walking down there and I had my gloves on and they told me just go for it. And I was like, okay, we're going to hold the sea turtle has a team of five of us and I was just so excited but I was also nervous cuz I didn't want to make a mistake in front of and drop so heavy so part of her so it like right by her head and her front flipper and I didn't want to make a mistake in front of Kaitlyn and Mackenzie cuz I look up to them so much so I didn't want to like Bumble and then everything would be wrong. So I have to just hold her up really hard and strong. She was really heavy and she get moving a lot but I just felt so accomplished after I did this is a jam.

14:58 If I didn't have a job, I would love it and they just thought it was normal or when you do it because that's not normal part of my job.

15:14 Since I've been working here for eight years and a little thing pop up just like that. Yeah, just like I let you do that. I'm such a people person that I know from working here and the experiences that I have. I know that if that was my full-time job not talking to people all day and just being back there doing the husbandry stuff. I would really go crazy. I would like I think I'm a people person to but like turtle talks. I feel like that would be enough people with a red suit you very well. Yeah.

15:57 Tajay

16:01 Can you show me the Ashley like how you've been sort of impacted in your in your own thoughts? Like how you been how you been impacted by like?

16:12 Being in the aquarium

16:15 So I always like to thank you all the time random times. I just thank you because you've given me so many opportunities to keep him from being chosen to be an indoor to mentor to even now you just text me all the time and tell me that there's opportunities arriving and I drive 2 and 1/2 hours from school all the time just to come to the aquarium and then go back home same day, but I'm always so grateful for all the opportunities that come up, you know for anything. It's just such a blessing that you just always think of me to do when there's you know hundreds of other people you could think of but I'm your favorites.

16:50 They want I want to see your passion. I see how much you've changed since the internship started. You know, I want to give you the opportunity because it's special your passion for it is Special K. Good boss.

17:07 My boss anymore. So your favorite animal the aquarium was probably just was probably see a turtle. I was like at your favorite spot during a bike on the shallows With The Stingrays. I think that's such a good like good spots and gave cuz everybody loves it when you ask little kids with their favorite part of the aquarium is nine times out of the Chalice hands on you can definitely like such a good spot to engage with people just walk up to them and to say hey, do you want to say something right is right down their back like a pro. That's a good spot.

17:56 What does it aquariums 20th anniversary mean to you?

18:02 Have you know, I've been working for eight and a half years or 10 when they opened? I was that bad basic math. Wait, I can't even figure out that they open at 11:11. So I have 2,000 I was born in 1989. I was born December of 2009. Swearing. So I was like, oh my God, I know I was like seven 7 and then there's another one when I was like 11 so their crimes 20th anniversary.

18:54 Well, I guess I may have almost been here half the time which is kind of crazy. But I think it was a turning point in the Charleston's history this area, you know kind of came alive when the aquarium opened that wasn't there wasn't much here and I remember learning that it was like call. Browns site when they started building the aquarium at had to be postponed because it was so like polluted. Yeah, they had to clean it up and then and now obviously Liberty Square and all the people of Fort Sumter and all the other things here. I feel like this area has really come alive since the aquarium opened and obviously we didn't have an aquarium in Charleston. So connecting we're right here on the coast of educating locals, you know, we try to do more of the kids a lot of locals don't come to the aquarium find other ways to get them in we have open access nights and things like that don't even know if you're aware, but we'll have like special programs will will bring groups of people into the aquarium and teach them about Charleston right here if you know the animals

19:54 Inner Harbor in our everyday lives affects those animals, we have to see dolphins this morning as of the shallows Dolphins. So close. I can reach out and touch obviously I didn't it was very close and I was reminded why I love my job so much. I'm going to get to see dolphins everything all day. So special to me. I'm not even twenty years old yet. So that's crazy. I'm not here in town yet. So that's so it is a name is older than it is so many opportunities within the walls of the aquarium that there really is so many things for you to do very small, but

20:42 Okay, so you saying that there's

20:44 Yeah.

20:49 I pay myself the most.

20:56 Graham to be doing in the neck.

20:58 Next 20 years

21:01 Higher meme definitely would be one and then I don't more maybe more conservation vert work to the public. I mean they do a good job of getting the word out, but maybe I don't know maybe we can do like

21:17 I know I had an idea like going to the shedding like the street. So where everybody lives like Downtown Charleston and talking to him maybe have a stand or run like Second Sunday. Maybe that's a good idea at the market. Yeah, I can put the stand out there and talk about conservation. Maybe take a few animals do people love that that is such a good idea or more stuff like that where they'll go out in the community and one of my jobs is to plan our team Conservation Corps program, which were going to start next fall and that's where we're going to try to get teens out during conservation projects in the field like building oyster Reef that you got to do. That's so important cuz it starts with the young people cuz eventually the young people are going to be the old people you up. If we're honest. I think we're more young people are caring about the Iron Man think so too. I think like social media plays a huge role into it. I mean if you like a polluted river somewhere

22:17 Get some time and I just learned that there's a group of popular kids in high school that carry around reusable water bottles and pretend to save this is like a ball but that's kind of it's telling to this next generation of people that like, that's what's cool in high school is using a reusable straw. I think that was needs a lot of young people believe in climate change real. So I think it's affecting us more than the older generations and I think they're going to die pretty soon and we're pretty young. So I mean we have a whole life and affect us the most

23:07 It is interesting to see that Generations so different than like you never even liked my grandparents and parents I do but my parents when I started to I think it opened up their eyes a little bit and they realize how much they should care about the environment and then it trickled down to my sisters and now my extended family right now and I don't care about what they don't know about. Yeah, you're right. If you don't know what's going on in the world. If you don't know what's going on in the environment then why would you care but when you learn and you see firsthand the sea turtles we just had a sea turtle in Michael Myers is his name cuz he came in and Halloween is a huge gash in his neck. He just passed a hundred pieces of plastic and he's been here since Halloween in 15 days. He's has a hundred pieces of plastic hard plastic and he's a tiny green sea turtle.

24:04 Like crazy. Yes, they're saying that more and more opening people's eyes plastic will kill you.

24:12 It's serious though because the fish ate the plastic and who is officially do eating with microplastics at the fishes eating, right?

24:21 You can only wear these things. Yeah.

24:24 So crazy

24:34 You're difference in Asia.

24:36 I think you were starting to hit on that like the generational change.

24:43 Messages that you each have four folks in your generation about why they should care about like the environment environment. Yeah. I definitely think my generation size are just opening up a lot more. I think when they see like the Wi-Fi fires and my California or even if there I mean we live on the coast whole lot of people go to the beach, even if they see a water bottle in the ocean or something. I think they're realizing that just because you can't see all the plastic or all them whatever is in the ocean it's there and I think they're starting to realize that just like the garbage piles that are everywhere. I think we're all starting to like realize it and that we all need to do our part to save the world. Really.

25:37 I could post a message. I was just saying to watch your plastic uses when we reduce reuse and recycle are very strong. I mean I go to school that's a sustainable school. So sorry, we don't really have plastic straws or all of our stuff is really recyclable. We usually have a paper straws we eat on real plates I get washed and then we reuse the plates and all of our to go boxes are paper. So everything is respectful at school. So I would just say, you know, watch your plastic usage and where you're throwing your garbage away not on the floor.

26:12 So bad. Yeah, and you see the weather changes, I mean to know in Charleston people are starting to open their eyes because until it really affects you you don't know unless you like in this profession or in this feels like we are but I think people are starting to realize but the Hurricanes that happened every year and the wildfires like you mentioned, that's really opening their eyes. So, you know, I just challenged people in my generation to do you know who see the world around that me to see what's going on and and know that you know, this is unfortunately something that has been happening for a long time, but we're seeing the effects of it more now and you know, a lot of it is human cause a lot of it is problems from us not taking care of our resources and us not taking care of our planet and is he a lot of our resources aren't renewable. They're going to know as our population increases on the planet, you know, you really just have to think about that and make make good choices ever.

27:12 Single day

27:14 Actually, sat there of climate change session and school like 2 weeks ago. I had to sit through it to get credit for it. And I'm he was talking about how he said 10 years ago that the Hurricanes were going to get stronger and bigger and I don't know his exact title. But I know he's studies like all of that. He said that they were going to get bigger and stronger and they are so he says I'm 10 years are going to be even Massillon OH I know and I think a lot of people are like I do that just won't happen in my lifetime, but me nothing but your kids and your grandkids and like the generations that are to come like you want this to be here. And do you want them to have a good life? I got to protect my resources protect our planet and they're running low.

27:59 Can

28:05 What you think the aquarium has done for the City of Charleston?

28:15 I think the most powerful thing that that the community probably sees with the aquarium is because of the social median and everything is might not be as one of our biggest conservation projects with a friend by the sea turtle hospital is really what has infiltrated Charleston, even if they've never been to the aquarium. They know that we rescue sea turtles. I think we've done a good job ever since that hospital open on the first floor of people realizing that and so I think that's the biggest thing that we've done for Charleston. I'm so far. I think that we're continuing to do a lot of really important things. I'm like a plastic bag bans that we're getting involved with you. No plastic uses just in general in the Charleston Community trying to have a voice when it comes to policy, but just really educating people about the problems that are happening right here in Charleston with boat traffic plastic pollution crabpot entanglements me of this is affecting our sea turtles in our wild life and I think the aquarium is done a really good job of

29:15 The Publican and Charleston Charleston dance about that. I really like banning plastic bags and some cities have banned plastic bags and paper paper bags even like I went to Target the other day. I kind of forgot about it and I went to Target and I have paper bags big changes and then they realize their crime was involved in that and I continue to fight that fight me him since soda ban plastic and and we started that litter free digital journal app and then we use that when we go and talk about policy we use. Hey, look we're on Folly Beach, you know once a week and whatever it is doing these sweets and we're finding these plastic straws movie was picked up. However, many thousands of plastic straws. So being able to use that data that real data from the trash that's found in Charleston to change policy in Charleston is powerful and it's cool though. The aquarium is having a part of me.

30:15 Because you can see on who is finding what kind of garbage are plastic and wherever they are and they just take a picture and document it and you can see how people are eating a lot of Chick-fil-A. Yeah. I was coming from Chick-fil-A in James Island, like wolves try to ban the styrofoam and changes happening right now.

30:39 Here to stay.

30:45 Manager of the Teen program. So can you share some of what you're

30:52 Like what your thoughts on how this program has impacted young people's y-yes with my favorite part of my job is feeling like hopefully this burger was impacting young people very passionate about that. And I feel like it's bigger than science. It's bigger than marine biology or loving from sea turtles. It's about those real-world skills learning how to have a job learning how to be on time for this program. You know that he's going to the park with the aquarium is really all encompassing, you know, how to have the positive attitude at your job how to make the most of something even if you don't really like to do it and I'm cleaning up snakes hope you know, you know being a part of a team. I feel like that's one of the things that we young people take away from hopefully and you can speak to this thing. I'm hoping that they're taking away from the program, you know, that positivity team building being a friend being there for each other, you know, we're all in this together ofcourse conservation.

31:52 All of those kind of main points I see and I hear from people who've gone through the program and lived on that that's important. Those are important values that they withhold, you know, if I struggled with working as a team and then I always like to work by myself. I mean if it's if it's an option between working in a group project. I'm working solo. I like to do by myself because I Feel Like I Do by myself. I know it's all right, I did it. So I think it really brought out a challenge for me to work together with some people especially if they're like way different than me, but I think I came around to it didn't you who did you go on the kayaking trip with Tyler? And he was very different. Did you ask me if you could switch because the back was the most important part in troll it be raining. This is a really good story because the canoeing trip is always on my favorites because you can see people's true personalities and

32:52 Skills come through and you can see how it's frustrating. I had been frustrated with my partner for canoeing because you have to work together you have to communicate and that is one of the most important field trips for me when it when were picking then turns and I always look back and I remember thinking this is going to be such a good lesson for today because we were like right away. I could see you panicking and you relax can we switch spots and nope? I'm pretty sure we had just gotten in and he was like, I have no idea what to do with my goodness. I've been kayaking before so I can be that bad. But I just wanted to switch with you wanted to be in control for that 2 hours. You weren't in control and you guess bumping into trees through bumping into trees and two branches and we were behind everybody for a salad 15 minutes. We were far behind. I was busy at work. I would come and push this further. It was just like cocoa cocoa powder with the sweetest he was and he listened and you handled it.

33:52 Ashley that played a big role in US picking you as a mentor. I remember that moment and I was like, I know she was frustrated. I know your personality. I know you like to be in control. So to be in that really difficult situation where it really tested your patience and time. You kept your cool you are polite you are not rude we've seen people do food before I go to the partner if they are not doing something right, you know yelling at them you did not do that and I was like, all right, like if she can be put in an uncomfortable situation and rise to the occasion in and take on the challenge of everything keep a positive attitude, which is something we really bad was definitely good team player effort if it was so hard and I just had to try to explain to him and he's such a sweet boy, so I didn't want to like her to spilling but I think so, but we got it together and then on the way back we were the first people back if you were already in the back here, but it's okay in my mind. It was because of how we were ever came yet a lunch and then this year during the canoeing trip.

34:51 I was with somebody who was filming. Oh, yeah, so it was kind of hard for me in the canoe because she was filming the camera. So I have to keep the canoe afloat while she was filming, right we going to have a partner for some of it I wasn't there.

35:15 Well, just like how she said she would have never done the program if it wasn't for her. Sorry, so just like you said you would have never done the program if it wasn't for Aubrey praying you to do it right. A lot of times when we're going out to schools we go out and we work route for this program and we try to get kids to sign up until apply and a lot of them. I can just see them being like I don't really like snakes, you know, we bring a snake an alligator and a lot of them just write it off cuz they're like no I don't want to do that. You know, and I always challenged the biggest challenge is to like make them see that like just try you might like it, you know, or just like you put yourself in an uncomfortable position. You might not want to talk to the public when we say, oh it's part, you know part of it is talking to the gas that coming to cram a lot of people shut down. So I think it's a challenging aspects of the program is to like get teens to see that like, it's okay to can get outside of your comfort zone and two deuces in this new experience where you might learn something new or you might change your career path.

36:15 Friendship is hard to you. Can you can't make people apply but I definitely think I know it's not something I would have ever done by myself if it wasn't for Aubrey pushing me, but I think once I got I mean I'm always a people person I was in city council and I was my junior class president. So I think I'm up people always liked me but it was kind of hard to like talk to strangers all the time. It is hard to make him around easy. You learn to adapt to it. You can't really grow unless you're put into that situation. Always told me don't knock it till you try it with a good lesson from your dad. He's a smart man.

37:05 I don't think so.

37:12 No, yeah.

37:21 Yeah, Mommy Mommy to go faster. I just found out the bag on those words by relationship with you is very important to me. I mean you started off as a stranger. I never knew you before and now you're my boss. Will you wear my boss? You're not my boss anymore and it's so weird to say cuz you're my boss for 2 years. I can still be a mentor. Yeah, you are a very much look up to you all the time and you inspire me a lot about going to inspire me seeing you and you're in a different generation than you know, me and you and I'm seeing the world through your eyes and your generation size inspires me because you're right. I think you guys are even opening your eyes even more than we are now and the new things that are coming down the line. So our relationship is so important to me. I'm in my sights. I shave my mom my parents know who I'm talking about because you give my work meeting. I mean the relationship that we have is like exactly why I'm in this job. It's fulfilling its meaningful and it

38:21 Makes me feel like what we're doing here is important and in influencing definitely and my parents know who you are.

38:31 And they know when yep my parents love you, and they know I'm talking about you and we're also thankful for everything.

38:45 Yeah, what is your host for dude? I think I care about the environment. I mean you and I both worked my hope will grow up in a world that is clean close to him and clean and like compassionate and loving and that he knows and feels accepted Nomad what he wants to do right? But it has to be something with him has just to be happy and feel comfortable and loved.

39:21 I think he'll be a good well, thank you for choosing me to do is I feel so so so so grateful. I'm so glad thanks for driving 2 hours and thank you for coming. Thanks so much ass.