Vanessa Lemus and Nico Orisini

00:02 Hey, I'm going to Salinas today. September. 24th. 2021. I'm 23. And I'm here with my partner, Nico, who also happens to be my roommate and co-worker, and he enjoys traveling cooking. Playing video games. He grew up in a very conservative household, and doesn't really enjoy discussing politics because it usually just sends an animosity. He's a wiener games, gain some insight into how his use coincide with others, through this program, and find a way to leave fun and open conversations in the future.

00:35 And my name is Whitney Corsini. I go by Nico today, is September 24th, 2021 and I am 24. I'm here with Vanessa my roommate and co-worker as well. She defines herself as a city girl, who loves biking reading music. Specifically Kacey Musgraves and Dua Lipa the outdoors and being politically active. So I guess to start things off. Vanessa. Why did you want to do this any of you today?

01:07 I think because like you mentioned earlier, we have conversations like this, but only

01:17 Under certain circumstances. So I feel like we never really get to sit down.

01:24 Like this and actually talk about things like this. And we're pretty good at talking about, like, you nowhere and our home life. And you know, when we have, you know, any issues or things like that, but never really about politics as in-depth as we could. So I thought this would be like a little something for us to do.

01:47 So yes, likewise as well. I think you had it on the news pretty. Well. We really only talk about this stuff when we're drunk and I think it's good to engage sober-minded. I just kind of see where things go and I feel like we're both. We've always been respectful of each other's opinions, but I feel like sometimes we both reached a point where we're just kind of like not myself, So I appreciate you taking the time to discuss everything with me today.

02:21 So, and going to your bio and everything, I see that you are you just find yourself as politically active? When I think myself, I don't really think of myself as politically active, but I feel like I also wasn't raised environments, understand political activism looks like. And I'm just recently kind of learning more about it. Can you speak a little bit?

02:47 About what you consider to be political activism and how you see yourself really you have going out there and making it for everyone, you know, cuz everyone's going to have different resources and different things that they can get involved with TimeWise. So for some people that's literally just like voting when an election comes around. But for some people that's like maybe you're registering voters. Maybe you're campaigning or canvassing for you know, someone that you want to get elected. Maybe you're going to Avenue events in speaking about things that are really important to you. So I guess

03:30 I guess I never felt like super.

03:34 Politically active her like an inclination to be until I came to VC you because I mean, you know how it is on campus, you know, people people really are passionate about, you know, all these different types of

03:50 I know just different types of things that they want to be passionate about whether that's like, you know, he even writes lgbtq stuff. It just like, things like that, and people on campus are super outspoken about all of that stuff. So I think that was kind of a little bit eye-opening for me and, you know, I grew up not honestly, not far at all from Richmond, but I think the Vibes were still very different from

04:18 What you get when you are on a campus, that's integrated in the city and a lot of the students. Like I said, they're super outspoken on topics that they feel like they should be.

04:29 So I think that really like motivated me to like get involved with however, I could. So I guess for me and like politically active means like obviously voting but also, you know, not being afraid to speak out and speak up for things that you think are worth doing that for and then, you know, especially with this job that we just started.

04:54 You know being involved in a lot of like these coalitions and getting to work alongside students, like undergrads, its low-key kind of inspiring sometimes just because they're so passionate about, you know, voting and you know, trying to understand other people that are different from them. Anyway, so

05:17 Answer your question, stuff like that. And also I think being politically active can definitely be different for different people. Not necessarily like the same thing. So maybe for you, it looks different and that's okay.

05:33 Yes, I say like personally. I don't know. I don't think I've ever been like super politically active. And I think part of that is just

05:41 Like I remember growing up Blake and my parents being very particular about their politics. And then, you know, like, I went to Lake public schools and I went to, you know, BECU and surround myself around people that we're not very like-minded accordance, with how my parents thought. And I think part of that, just kind of restoration about, it's hard to be politically active, when like, you're not really sure where you stand. And I think an issue with political activism for me at like, BECU was, you know, I came to be to you as more moderate individual and trying to engage in a conversation. Whether it's

06:22 Me sharing an opinion or me. Just trying to understand, you know.

06:30 Typical racism and stuff that I wasn't really, you know, like fully aware of growing up. I feel like a lot of times you can turn it into a very like, difficult conversation, where it's just, you know, blanket, assumptions and accusations, rather than engaging in a full-on conversation. Do you think like coming to BECU? I guess you kind of indicated before you're obviously like more liberal.

06:55 Do you think I'm going to be? See you like, your political activism? Was it encouraged through like your community or do you think so? Yeah.

07:05 Sorry to cut you off but I like when you said that I was like when you were talking about your upbringing, like I guess I never really thought about it, but it's the same thing like.

07:20 I'm leaning more liberal because that's how my parents also, like, brought me in my family up. So.

07:28 I'm kind of just like wow, like, you know what that totally makes sense for you or for anyone really like you whether you're conservative or you know, somewhere more in the middle.

07:42 You know, a large factor of that, especially when you go to college, just like, how you were brought up and like, how your family did things, and it's super hard till they come from a conservative or moderate background, especially if he see you, I think because I feel like it's a little bit harder. Like you said to try to feel encouraged to get involved. If you're not, like part of the majority, in the majority students are are liberal, you know, so like I didn't feel like any

08:14 I don't feel like anything was holding me back or like afraid to do anything, because the way that I thought in the way that I voted aligned with the majority of the way students did to, you know, it looks interesting too because like what I vote. I mean typically speaking I would love the guy would love to know more but I just feel like

08:34 A lot of times it's just Reese's. I I don't know. Even internally speaking like it's very like there are a lot of mixed emotions and I feel like I can't sort through them sometimes so it's like ultimately I do end up having it turn my friends and be like, who do I vote for? It's like I could do at the clean about 4, and I can know, you know, socially speaking like who is more responsible, who is the better candidate? But at the end of the day it's like I still have like some of these reservations my mind and things that like, I wish I could engage in conversations people and understand like why I'm thinking this way why other people and they think another way, but I think it just makes it like really difficult to have those conversations sometimes.

09:16 Like I feel like I need to clarify that that's like we talked about it before the sun, the excuse. I mean, if you're asking a certain way like your upbringing was never an excuse as to why you behave that way you should be out early enough so, you know, behave differently, but at the same time,

09:36 I don't know. It's just like, it's very, very curious to me. But I don't know if there's anything else you want to add on to that. Can you like, see, like how, Maybe?

09:51 I really think he's changed at all. Or have you like really like how, like a moment? We're like, wow, like, you know, like when people call me out front of you sometimes.

10:07 It feels even more accusatory because I'm kind of like, like, what the fuck have I been doing. Like, why not been changing fast enough? And I think that's where like the ultimate frustration builds is because it's like ultimately, I know where I want to be. I know where I agree with my friends and I know it's like at the clean morally, right? And wrong.

10:27 But it's still like it's weird counterbalancing. It's not even it's not even you growing up in an environment and being like, you know, what like I'm four years into this environment. I'm four years making myself are aware, but it's also for years that you're fighting against 18 years of everything, you've learned for your entire life.

10:46 So, are you, I mean, it in a way it would be kind of like, you going to like, Liberty University trying to like understand where they're coming from and being like, you're not just trying to learn, you're also trying to rewire the way your brain thinks as well.

11:09 Know that, ya know, and I, I feel like we've definitely like had to talk to you in there and I can like, see like how you struggle with that and like, you definitely, I feel like you definitely ask questions, or, you know, in the conversations that we've had, you are pretty good at expressing. Like, I don't really understand this, but like, you're trying to and I think that's like, half of it or more than half of it. So would you say that there was a specific person that really, you know, kind of change your perspective, never helps motivate you.

11:47 In this capacity.

11:52 I don't think there's been like ones for specific person, just because like, like I said that growing up, you know, my parents, both voted. They are, I can like remember like being little and my mom like taking me with her to the polling place and getting like a little I voted sticker even though I was like 8 years old and, you know, my parents never shied away from like having conversations about that type of stuff with us or like not letting us watch the news or like these debates that people had on TV.

12:28 So, I don't know if I can pick one person, you know, and then coming here to school, you know, we live on a campus.

12:39 People are doing stuff like this all the time or like you don't even the university itself, you know, pushes out and encourages students to vote to be active whether you know, they're democratic-leaning, you no more conservative. So I don't think I'd have like one specific person, but I think just like the experiences that I've had growing up and you know, like

13:04 In the work place in school at home, all of that stuff. I think his kind of

13:12 Influence me, I guess.

13:15 To believe, I believe now, and to do what I want to do. Now, if that makes sense only had like professors in the past or friends that have like, you know, talks to me about certain things or, you know, educated me in certain ways that are definitely like how to pop. But I mean, you are right. It is hard to just like label it down as one individual and be like Fast. The person that made a difference for me and your lipstick Lee speaking. It's like,

13:47 I mean, like even everyone has their flaws like that person could you know how meant the world to you when it came to know politics and stuff but you know outside of politics maybe it just had some really messed up actions and my motivation for becoming who I am. Where they part of it. Yeah, but where the entirety

14:11 Do you think like,

14:15 I guess like when we, cuz I feel like we've had these conversations with, like,

14:20 Some of our other friends, too.

14:23 Maybe we're not as close with. Do you think they like misunderstand, you?

14:29 Yeah, I think so. I think it's kind of like.

14:33 It's definitely exhausting sometimes because it's like, I'm a very dark sense of humor. That is something that I need to learn to keep to close close friends, especially, but you also know that I'm like, not one to really

14:52 You know change who I am around people for better for worse. So I think sometimes like whether it's you know humor or a passing, that I make that I might not even be thinking about.

15:04 I think being called on it called out on, it can be like, really, you know, frustrating some sometimes. And it's like, I I mention earlier is that feeling of like, damn, like, I'm really maybe I'm no different than I was before, but ultimately, like, it's like, I have to remind myself.

15:21 That, you know, if they weren't my friends, then they wouldn't you no redirect me, or they wouldn't bring it up in conversation, and a lot of them have been really cool about it. Like a lot of people are really, really good about being like. Hey, like have you thought about it from this right back to her? Like that was uncool to say but like yours. Why I wasn't going to say.

15:41 Will you do run into the occasional people sometimes do that are just like

15:46 Total dicks about it in like you shouldn't be acting that way and your family. Okay. Well, like, what do you think about in your life? That's not a conversation. We need to have, and you're kind of like

15:58 Okay, if it's not a conversation, I have been like what's the point in calling me out? Because neither of us are learning anything from that. You're not learning where I'm coming from and I'm not learning, like, where you're coming from. And that's like, I think that's even more infuriating than anything else. It's, it's a fact that like, people are just, I don't know. It's the idea of people surrounding themselves by individuals. They only have the exact same opinion. I think it just catches everyone off guard and catches both parties off got in there. Just ultimately, like confused and not try to interact.

16:32 I mean like I told you specifically, I guess like in what ways have you found this on your side? What's your mentality? When engaging with others? Two different values. Our Lives experiences from you. I mean not myself for example, but I'm sure you come in contact with plenty of people.

16:52 I think.

16:57 I think sometimes I guess when I do talk to people that have like different political beliefs and values. It's definitely easy to feel. Like both people. It's definitely ready for everyone to feel misunderstood, you know, and I was thinking about this the other day when we got like a little email, reminder about this, but

17:20 I forgot who I was talking to Nicole. I was talking to someone, but they kind of just reminded me that like both people think that like what they're doing and who they're voting for who they're supporting, you know, is right. And like that might be the best thing for them and the best thing for the people they care about, you know, so I might think that about everything that I believe in that who I'm voting for, but then like someone on the opposite side, my probably does feel that way about who they're voting for, you know, and the beliefs that they have. So I guess

17:59 I like want to keep that in mind whenever I do feel misunderstood and I feel like that would make things like a lot easier because like, the point of this conversation and like what I want to be the point when I have conversations with people that differ from me in this aspect is like

18:19 There's still things that, you know, we have in common and there's such like an easy way to find understanding and like empathy for you know, people that might vote like while that might put like widely different from you because in the end like we both think that what we're doing is the right thing to do.

18:39 Yeah, it's definitely interesting. And I think that's one thing that like, I'm super appreciative of like, you know, social media, nowadays for well, you definitely do have late.

18:50 The totally crazy people that are out there, you know, just screaming absolute nonsense on both ends of the spectrum. You do find a lot of people that speak about their beliefs with so much conviction that you're just like, it makes you remember that like, you know, that you actually believe it, whether you believe it or not is one thing. But like it is important to remember that everybody, you know, has what they deem to be valid opinions. Would you say, like, do you run into that kind of conflict, with just people of, the more conservative nature? Or would you say that? Sometimes you feel like ultimate Lee misunderstood with like, like fellow Democrats as well? Like

19:33 I think honestly, like, the more involved, I get sometimes, it does feel like, even like people who do,

19:44 Identify as Democrats. Like, sometimes it's just

19:50 Honestly, sometimes it's like

19:55 White people, that

19:59 Even though they do identifies Democrats sometimes.

20:03 It does feel like I'm a little bit misunderstood or like they missed the mark and some cents.

20:09 Just because, and I feel like we talked about this kind of recently just because like

20:15 You know.

20:17 For me personally, like, I'm not white. I'm not straight, you know, so these are, like things that I can't necessarily separate for me when it comes to like politics. Like, these are part of my identity that.

20:37 When I look at you to vote for or like, you know, stuff like that, like I have to keep in mind cuz it's like not something that I can, you know.

20:49 Cool part for myself, if that makes sense, and we talked about this really recently, you know, how

20:57 It's just something that I

21:00 I think really intersects for me. So sometimes when I do talk to people that even though they like have the same political ideology, this me, it's still a little bit difficult to get them to understand. I guess certain things like that, you know, when it comes to race, when it comes to sexuality, socioeconomic status stuff like that. Just because for some people, these aren't things are factors that you can like strip away when it comes down to it. You know what I mean? For people that don't have that same level of intersectionality.

21:40 How would you say?

21:43 If they don't have that same level and they don't have a sense of understanding. Is there any way that you could think to, you know, I have them not that. It's your responsibility for say, lick any recommendation on like how exactly to reset level of understanding without becoming defensive and without it becoming, you know, an argument of you know, necessarily.

22:08 He was right or wrong.

22:10 Yeah, and I don't think it's like I don't want it to be.

22:14 About HughesNet greater on, cuz

22:16 You know, I don't think anyone could be like, these are my experiences. Like, how are you going to? How's anyone going to be able to like, be like, that's wrong, you know what I mean, but I think it's just about like being able to be open and I guess sharing that with you or with, you know, other people that I talked to just like that part of my life and explaining to people like, you know, it's not something that

22:41 I can just.

22:43 You know, so I guess just having like conversations like this but also making sure like other people, the people on the other side that might not, you know, how all of these different identities are like willing to like, really listen and try to understand, you know, what can be like difficult sometimes and it's like super nuanced in the way you do all these things. But yeah.

23:10 Lots of ranch dressing.

23:12 How do you feel about that? Cuz I know he threw talked about that a little bit and I think you said for you. It was like easier for you to like be able to, you know.

23:27 Yeah, I mean.

23:30 I don't know.

23:32 I think there was just a lot of things, but like it's of the same line was like, abortion to me. It's kind of like, it's something that

23:42 You know, I can't fully grasp. If I'm not in that situation to understand everything about it, but like

23:51 Do I respect it? And do I rip swept the people that are like in that situation? Yes, like I, I mean, I have my personal use, like, I support abortion because I support women's rights, right, but ultimately

24:05 I feel like all I can really do is just be like supported, like, here you out here, your opinion here. Why? You feel the way you do and advocate for that as best I can.

24:16 I don't answer that makes sense. Sometimes I feel like that's a cop-out though. They sometimes I feel like it's just kind of like like should I be you anymore, but also, I mean there's the belief to it's like this was like a lot of people of color.

24:31 I mean, I feel like a top and a half, a lot of time. It's like a person color once, you know, a white person to speak on their behalf. You're supposed to be representative that population, you're supposed to defend them. You're supposed to support, they're supposed to back them up. But then, there are also people of color that are soaking wet. That have been very adamant about. Like, I don't want you defending me because I should go to stand up for myself.

24:53 Cuz I do see what I'm saying there. Yeah, I think that makes sense. And, you know, I can't speak for everyone obviously, but like for myself, it's kind of just like

25:04 You know, having people who aren't of color, you know, just giving people of color that space and opportunity, and also just like that support and that level of understanding, not necessarily like

25:21 You know, that whole white savior complex or whatever, but no really trying to understand and be supportive and show up as much as

25:31 You know, they can you listening to what, you know, people of color really need and want from them, but I think it's like a fine line to do. I get what you're saying in that regard to.

25:49 I don't know. It's like, even now like I struggle is really like

25:54 Attorney wants to say because you know, it's just something that like, I'm not experienced with we've spoken about it extensively and I felt like last time we discussed it seemed like

26:06 You know, it kind of reached the agreement that I didn't understand it.

26:11 I didn't see myself coming, understand it, and that short amount of time. So as far as I was concerned, all I could really do is listen to you hear you out and respect you for that.

26:22 You see how that's like frustrating as well? Because

26:27 You know, if I were in your shoes, all I could imagine. As you know, is that is that respect genuine?

26:35 No, I've never liked I've never not thought that it was like genuine from you cuz like I obviously, you know more extensively than we talked in this interview like no your backgrounds and know where you came from and like I've known you for a couple years now. So I can see like the ways you're growing and like the things that you still struggle with when it comes to like politics. And the way that like, it can be frustrating for you, like trying to understand that might be more open with us, but also like living in a city and on campus were, you know, maybe some of your questions are like your thoughts or ideas might not be as welcome, you know, when were talking to people that we don't know as closely versus like how me and you can have conversations like this because you know, I care about you and I like want you to be able to ask me and talk to me about that stuff.

27:32 You know, I've never felt like things haven't been genuine.

27:37 But, you know, I think sometimes I do feel like

27:43 Like you could but you don't always need me or like our other friends to like, tell you what, I don't want to see, right or wrong. But tell you like.

27:59 What's appropriate or inappropriate? Because like you can find out that stuff on your own, you know on the Internet or like there's so many resources, you know, so.

28:13 I think it's just like a matter of like, you don't want that responsibility to be on the people that, you know, you're asking about doesn't make sense, kind of reminds me of, you know, like our discussion of political activism earlier and what that meant us. Exactly.

28:32 But it's interesting because like, a lot of political activism for me, which one people ass, like, are you like active? I'm like, I don't consider myself a little bit active. But at the same time, it's like I'm also working to better myself as an individual and, you know, like I have done research on my own and that kind of stuff. But

28:53 It's like, is that actually from political activism? How do you feel about like, I mean, you kind of mentioned before you feel like political activism is, you know, kind of a game of things. It can be anywhere from you. No boating individually or, you know, registering people for voting where, you know, leading.

29:14 Voting Summits. That reason why it look anything like that.

29:20 How do you feel about political activism has simply research like to think that falls in kind of the same line or?

29:27 Do you think that's?

29:31 I don't have too individualistic and away.

29:38 If can mean a lot of things to different people,

29:43 You know, and the way that I'm politically active might not be the ways that you are or, you know, anyone that we work with or friends with. So I think so, you know, you're doing this stuff to try to, like, understand the people around you, and you clearly like you definitely want to like change something in yourself and like learn more about these things. So I mean to me, yeah, that's like a form of being politically active, you know, and I don't think it necessarily like when we think about political activism has to be disliked, big Grand gesture like leading a March of like a thousand people are doing this or not, but it can be something as small as like, you know, what you said, like researching stuff for like trying to educate yourself about things that, you know, you hear us talk about or that you hear on the news or whatever. So I don't think it has to be anything super big, but something.

30:43 Stuff that you're doing, I would think you're politically active.

30:47 Wow.

30:57 Just going to move on to another question.

31:05 How do you sync?

31:07 I feel like you said it earlier, like we definitely have. We definitely have different views on some stuff and some stuff. It's definitely the same but I feel like we've definitely been able to maintain like this level of respect.

31:23 For each other, obviously, we work together and we live together. How do you think we're able to do that? Cuz sometimes I think about that and I'm like well like, you know, and I think that's like such a good example and a way.

31:40 And we're not like dust drastically different in our political views, for everyone. That's going to listen to us in the future. But I think it's just like a good example of like,

31:51 You know conversations like this for other people. Like if we can work and live together and we have different me is like, I feel like people should be able to have it like conversation for an hour with each other. I think that's one thing that I have really respect about you. I mean,

32:09 To be entirely honest Lake. Like I know when we first started living together. We you know, I have some issues here and there but just you know random stuff with her. I was cleaning the apartment or whether it was knowing like time management knowing who was going to be at our house and if they needed anything like that, but I mean if we're looking at like the respect part of it, I mean, it's like the biggest thing of politics. I feel like has taught me and it's probably one of the things that's not you as well as you know, learning where to set your boundaries and does bounteous can come in terms of you know,

32:48 Governmental regulations and mandates, they can come in terms of, you know, time management. They can come to you now leaving your work computer at the office. I'm being like, I'm dying. I'm not going to put up with it anymore. I like I'm off the clock.

33:05 And I think you've always been willing to sit down.

33:09 And no figure out those boundaries and know that when we leave work, maybe we'll mention it once or twice. But at the end of the day, like

33:17 Work is on our lives and when we're at work, our lives are not work. I don't know if that's going to work.

33:25 But like, no, it's like we're very, I feel like we're both very good about being like, you know, what, like that's something we don't need to discuss now and like obviously of conversation comes up, or if you have a problem with me, or if I would bond with you, like we're willing to engage that as a conversation and not just, you know, hold animosity toward each other. That literally has never helped us before and obviously like things aren't going to change. So I don't know. I think that's

33:54 That's pretty amazing. I mean, personally speaking like would you I guess following along with like the idea of you no respect for each other and one's self. Is there anything about your personal worldview and my personal worldview that you would say?

34:11 You know, a line with one another or anything that you really strive for tray out of your own worldview, like anything that like if you, if you engage with people in a political conversation, right? Thing that you would want to be able to walk away from that conversation. They were like, damn, like, that's something that like, I'm going to remember for the rest of my life, but not necessarily even like your politics buying something, but just like, a way that you act like, is there one specific thing that you could say?

34:43 Receipt.

34:49 I guess that weather is like talking about politics or not that like I care enough to like do something. You know what I mean? Like you can care about something and be passionate about something so much but like I think

35:06 Really showing that you care about something as, you know, taking action in whatever sent to you need to.

35:14 You know, so I don't want to be the type of person that like talks all this talk, but doesn't want the walk as they say, you know, cuz I think that's just like a bunch of BS, you know, so I think definitely that and I think that even though we do have you no different enough world to use, we both

35:38 Really, I think care about like the people in our lives that were close to, you know, whether it's like friends or like people that we consider family, or people that we really like at work. But I think those people whether they believe in the same stuff, we believe it or not. I think we really care about them, and we really try to look out for them. So I think that's something that we both do. And I think,

36:05 Is important us. What about you? I said the same thing and it's interesting to because, you know, when you're talking about your worldview.

36:14 It's very clear that like your worldview can, you know, exist within and outside your political views? You can have the same worldview of, you know, winning the best for Humanity, but maybe you go about that differently politically speaking. Like, I guess I hadn't really thought about that because, you know, it's something that's not opting to drive, people discuss their worldviews, as though they themselves are their politics, and I think the Xeno, sometimes they should be separated, but I don't know. For me personally, like,

36:53 Something that like I strive for in myself and hope that people see and respect.

37:00 My hair probably.

37:03 I really going to hair every two weeks.

37:09 No, honestly, I was saying my willingness to actually, like, sit down and engage like

37:16 Like, I feel like it's very rare that people nowadays want to actually engage in conversation and

37:22 You know, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this on here, but it's like I've always use, you know, the metaphor of like

37:28 Most people in their friend group, nowadays. It's like they're all of the same mindset and it's like a constant circle jerk of them. Just all being like, yeah, man, like we all have the exact same idea and it's great and like, nothing changes, but I think one thing that, like, I'm always been willing to do is like, sit down with people and be like, yeah, like I agree, or, I don't agree, but like, I'm willing to hear you out, and let's move on from here. And whether that necessarily like changes, your views is one thing, but the fact that it's like, allowing somebody to be seen and heard, that's what's important about 9.

38:04 Yeah, I think that's something I've always admired about you. Like you're always yourself number one, like no matter what setting it, where in which can, you know, sometimes be a fault. But yeah, and I think you're definitely not the type of person to like shy away from having difficult conversations with people, which I think is something that can be super in Marvel, especially because, you know, if you feel like you have these different views from the majority of people that we live in, we work with and the fact that you're like, still able and willing and wanting to have these conversations, you know, I think that could be. I think I would find that difficult. If it like, things were reversed. Like, they even, like, have the nerve to, like, bring stuff up like this or you. No, be honest about. Hey, I don't understand this or like, why do you think this way? Cuz I don't, you know what I mean? So that's definitely something. I've always admired about you.

39:04 Thinking about on the contrary, contrary contradictory on the contrary.

39:13 You would say, I don't know. I just picked up both of us that you would say, both of us need to work on either, you know, individually or

39:22 You know, as a means of us like

39:25 Both becoming better people, whether it's, you know, politically or socially spiritually, however,

39:35 I think I could definitely do like a better job and we'll number one. We could definitely have more of these conversations when we're sober. That would be such a good start for us. But yeah, that but also, I think I could probably do like a better job at

39:55 You know, cuz I feel like when you're really invested and I guess like some of

40:02 You know, these ideas that you have are these things that you like really want to support or believe in especially when it comes to politics. It's so easy to get, like a defensive over me. It is like, why don't you think this way like why wouldn't you like support this? You know what I mean? So, I think I could be better. I like when we have these conversations, like, trying to understand like why you don't get something or like why, you know, you know what, I'm trying to say be better at like really hearing you out instead of, like, trying to, like, change your mind cuz that's not, you know, that's not the point of having conversations like this. It's just to try to, like understand each other. So I could definitely do a better job at that, in the future. I definitely need to work on

40:52 You know becoming less defensive because I think I like you said like it's not necessarily about changing minds. But at the same time if someone feels the need to address a particular aspect of your behavior over me like be then that's that's clearly something that like, especially if it's a friend addressing it like that's something that's important to them and not something worth looking into.

41:19 So I, yeah, I definitely no work. I might be coming with defensive actually Translate.

41:25 Figure out where they're coming from, like you said, like being seen and being hard like I feel like that's the most crucial thing. Nowadays nuts. That's not something. A lot of people can say that they

41:35 Really, you know, I act upon

41:45 No, and I feel like we care about each other enough, obviously to like be able to have these conversations cuz I feel like sometimes I am the most comfortable having these conversations with you cuz we do live together and you know or best friends or whatever, but see I think like

42:06 If we're, you know, going to try to work on being super good when having these conversations, like, who else would I do this with? Besides you? Well as my partner, whatever. But no, that's fair. I mean, we're both in a situation where we can actually use this so, you know better ourselves and so many ways. So it's like why not take advantage of that. Like and I feel like this is only one small step on the way there.

42:36 Do you say cut?