Xochitl Rodriguez and Angie Tures

[00:00] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Hi, my name is Angie Reza Terrace. I'm 42 years old on this beautiful wintery, January 5, 2023. I am here with my beautiful soul sister, Xochil Rodriguez, in El Paso, Texas, to talk about friendship.

[00:15] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Hello. My name is Xochil Rodriguez, and I am 38, though my mom prefers Cinquenta. Today is January 5, 2023, and we're in El Paso, Texas. My interview partner is Angie Tures and she is my soul sister.

[00:33] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: So I have never really had a conversation with you about our friendship. And I feel like, you know, I know that I've mentioned to you before that our friendship is enormously special. I feel super rare. I've not quite had a relationship quite like this, where it feels so familial, but also, in a lot of different ways, so much more special because we're not forced to love each other through family. We just do. And so I would love to just talk to you a little bit about our friendship and how it evolves and really like, what it means to you from your side, because I know on mine, oh, my God, just I get so excited to hang out and to be able to share things and very intimate things, and that doesn't come very easily for me. So I kind of wanted to even start with how we met and kind of tell the story a little bit about that, but sort of what our first perceptions are, because I know what my first perception of you was. I have no idea what you thought about me. So let's start there.

[01:44] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Yeah. So I'll start by saying, I absolutely agree. It's so rare. I think so often we talk about soul mates in the frame of romantic partners, marriage, families, and how beautiful is it to find a romantic partner who is your partner for your life? I would venture to say here in the middle of our life, to know I get to have a soulmate who is not a romantic partner, but a partner in friendship and motherhood and work and values and vision is so rare. So, so rare. So I echo. I am grateful for it so serendipitously back in 2013, because I had just had Calista, my daughter, and we started the Caldo collective, I want to say, two months after she was born. In a way, I think that I started Caldo because one, of course, I had been traveling the world and meeting all these amazing artists and seeing the work they were doing, and I wanted to create a version of. Of Sunday soup here in El Paso that became caldo, of course. And I saw it as an opportunity, in a way, for me to scream into the world. I'm still me. I'm a mom. I just became a mom, but I'm still me. And I'm still going to make things, and it's going to look so different than anything I've ever made. And sure enough, it did. Caldo was very much about building a village. And I think, in hindsight, I was trying to build a village I wanted my daughter to be able to see and grow up in. And the core value of that village was to support artists and their stories and their work. And so you presented at our third feast, I think, or maybe our second. It was within the first year of caldo starting. You were selected to present an idea, and then the guests at the dinner, after eating their bowl of soup, voted on you to receive the funding. So our first meeting was prepping you to present your project, which was memory blocks, of course. The project was beautiful the moment you told me about it, and I got to hear about it. But there was something else at work there, and I could feel it, and I could sense it. Then I remember feeling so lucky to have just returned. Right. I had been in Bhutan, and then I was in Kansas City, and I had just had my daughter. And then here, the universe gave me you, and you were making a film about memories, and it allowed us to create this space that was already so immediately intimate, because I got to hear and learn about this incredible project that you were taking on. And even deeper, I got to hear about the fear you were feeling as a new mother and a creator and an artist and a storyteller. I could never have expected then one that such a quiet, reserved person, which you were so calculated, so careful in every word and thought and action. It's hilarious now, knowing that you ride your horse off into the distance every few days in the middle of nowhere, in the desert. But I remember. That was my impression. But I also remember watching you with Anya, your daughter, and saying, wow, she's doing what I'm doing. And I hadn't seen anyone else doing what I was doing yet. And I felt so isolated in so many moments. And here was this person, you know, about to breathe life into a collective that was already so vibrant and robust, but it was just this whole new affirmation for the work and even deeper, like the family that I hoped the collective would build. And here we are, nine years later, eight years later, and we call each other family. We are family. Yeah. I worried you thought I was insane. I mean, I for sure was. Who is this person, like, running around, creating these feasts in backyards with her kid on her back.

[06:15] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: It was a lot.

[06:16] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Yeah. Hoping on a dream. Yeah. That the Galdo collective would do what I wanted it to do. And I mean, it did. You ended up turning memory box into Fem Frontera filmmaker showcase. And now we're in that journey together. Yeah.

[06:34] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Oh, my God. Well, thank you. I've never heard your perspective on that, because I, you know, I mean, the story is kind of funny. Our mutual friend Austin Savage is actually the one who introduced me to the gala collective and said, you should really apply for this. And I met you to get a little bit more of an understanding of what the Kalto collective was and what the purpose of the program was. And I remember sitting alongside you and another artist, and, you know, I'm a filmmaker who would love to be more of an artist, but I don't consider myself an artist in terms of how I think or how I speak. And I remember being so floored by the way that you and Paola Lopez were speaking and thinking, I'm. This is way out of my league. They must think I'm so just not with it and don't know what I'm doing. I'm way out of my element. I shouldn't be applying to this thing. There's no way I'm gonna get it. Just the language that you and her both used was so advanced and so poetic and so brilliant and so full of purpose. I mean, even right now, listening to the way that we're going to share stories, yours could be written in a beautiful poetry book and tied with a bow. And mine's just going to be kind of a series of notes on a table.

[08:10] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: But this is the beauty. We're like, don't we all wish we could have a damn footnote for the poem? It's so real.

[08:19] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: But it's like, you know, I mean, what is so incredible, and I think we'll talk about it a little bit later, is that we saw so much of what we admired in each other at the beginning. And that's amazing to me, because I don't think that either of us knew that, because to me, I was like, this is a woman that has it all together. That, like, is a beautiful mother that understands, you know, the importance of organic food and no artificial colors and nothing. An overabundance of salt or sugar. She, like, understands gentle parenting, and she understands what storytelling means. And she is serving a community of artists. She's super well connected to this community. I hope that one day I can. It's just in retrospect so funny, now that you were, like, already a mentor for me. You were already the embodiment of not only someone I wanted to be and aspire to be, but just someone who I was like, she gets me, and we don't even know each other yet. And there was also a big part of me that was like, I really wanna be her friend. And then thinking she must think I'm crazy.

[09:49] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: No, I mean, it's so interesting, because when I look back on those first years of motherhood combined with being an artist, combined with returning after literally satelliting around the planet, I. I think everyone has always seen precisely what I create for them to see, right? But in those first years, I felt so much fear and apprehension. The only reason Callista wasn't eating sugar is because my whole family has diabetes. But it was also like. Like such a. I think probably women and mothers hesitate to say this, but it was such a dark space I was in. Not dark in terms of its heaviness, but dark in terms of so blindly having to trust everything that I'd been given my whole life to prepare me to be a mother, to prepare me to juggle, to prepare me to. It is very hard to be a mom and an artist at the same time. It's very, very hard. Magical. Yes, of course. All the things that people saw happening. Yes, it was those things, but it was also terrifying. You know, I didn't have a safety net, and so it was really. It was around the clock, constantly. 1ft here, 1ft there. Leap. Pray to God you land. Right. And when you met me, you know, I think I had my sense of motherhood that came very naturally to me. And to love this thing with everything I had was very easy. But I had been so programmed and conditioned to doubt my place in the grand scheme of life and things. Right. Despite my successes and despite the beautiful work I'd had the privilege and honor opportunity to do. Yeah, it was a. It's so interesting that that was what you read. And, I mean, now you know me much better. And so I think, you know, now it's not so much that my things are together, it's that I am really good at dead leg twister. I was weird. But, yeah, that was. That was such a powerful time. And I think back on it a lot, and I. I realized how lucky we were as two women trying to continue to do our work, trying to continue to be who we were until becoming mothers, and even further, being brave enough to say, you know what? More I want to be more. I can be more. I'm gonna be more. I never saw it as a. I never saw anyone who entered the caldo space as, like, you know, at a certain level or any of that. I saw it as this moment of, okay, all of the roads led these people here to be together, to include the hundred people that came to the feast to learn about the artist. I always saw it that way. It's like, what is this opportunity and what's coming? And who is this person? Yeah. And I think there was just so many parallels and then differences, too. Right? Like, the commonalities were obviously beautiful and fluid, but then even the differences that were so intricately woven to, like, ultimately end up creating similar states of being. Right. Similar mindset, similar vision, similar perception of the world. Despite those differences, we still, somehow, you and I went, landed there together at the same time. So incredible.

[13:39] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Well, I think that sort of how it's evolved, too, has been so. Or has felt so organic. But there's been so many opportunities for us to get to know each other the most, I think, through our kids, because we then also became really involved with each other's kiddo activities, you know, music and painting and art and all sorts of things that our kids were just consistently involved in. We kept seeing each other, and, you know, then we would hang out at each other's houses, and it just. It was such a beautiful community, and you've always referred to it as the village, and your village was always filled with artist moms, artist parents. And, you know, the first three years of my kids life, I did nothing but be a parent. And it was so refreshing to be able to see other artists parents continuing to do the work that they love to do and finding that balance, because prior to that, I think I was afraid to sort of extend myself beyond what I felt I needed to do as a parenthood. And so that was tremendously influential and freeing for me to also watch you always integrate your kids loves and passions and desires into the work that you did. And I think that that is still a challenge for me, is to know how to bring my kids loves into what I do, because I think that my kids interests don't always align with mine, but I think that once we push that barrier, we always have a lot of fun, and it's always amazing.

[15:37] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: I mean, I've always felt that the kids are just so much smarter and better than we are. They're just such good humans. Like, it's gonna make me emotional. Like, so amazing. Right? We just said goodbye to my nephews because they were here for Christmas, and Calista said, mom, did you notice the older you get, goodbyes get harder? And I said, yes. And then she added, did you notice the older you get, everything gets harder? And I was like, my little wisdom. The wisdom bean. You know, three days prior to that, my nephew, out of nowhere, blurted out, tia, it's important for you to know that practice makes progress. And I was just like, okay. But beyond the things they say, right? It's always so much been about what they see for me. And I love to just get lost watching Calista watch and, like, watching Anya watch, watching every little boo watch. Their facial expressions, the things they laugh at, the things you can tell they're visibly scared of. And I think I was very fortunate. I grew up. I grew up wild. I mean, feral, like, just so free to do whatever we wanted to do within restrictions. I mean, I had the very strict brown household, but I think rules that applied to a lot of other kids, for whatever reason, right, were never there for us. And now, as a mother, I understand some of those rules are just about control, and that doesn't make sense to me. And so, with the kids and everything that you see, it's really, for me about just releasing control and saying, first the kids get to have some control. They do get to say what they want and need and love. And it's sort of. I've always felt like it's on us as the village and the parents in the village, to listen and get lost in their world, because it's, like, 55 million times better than any world I can live in in my, like, old Cinquenta body here. Like, I'm all used up. The kids are fresh. Calista calls them fresh babies when they're brand new. That has been such a guidepost. But I think, too, maybe I've pulled the village along in some instances, but I think that we've all learned from each other in these last years to be on the border and to be in this zone that's militarized. And I. Seeing the neglect of an entire community and the leveraging of an entire community is like political puns and the attacks on our community and so many things that just go against the grain of our being as a binational heart center and knowing that our kids are seeing all of it, even if they are more fortunate than other children, even if they are detached in some way from the coals of that fire, they still see it. And the children that they love and the children that they play with and the children that they don't even know are in it. And it's like so much of every day is consumed with making sure that your child, my child, move through this world with us and that we all learn together. And, like, I feel very lucky that we work together the way that we do and that we mother together the way that we do, because it's become very much. I feel it. Like, this is so tangible. I feel it on my fingertips and in my late night insomnia, it's there in my mind. And what is the world? And is it the world that I want for the kids? Is it the world that I want for my beloved friends and, you know, my brother and my mother makes it easier to toe the line.

[19:42] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Yeah. When I think, too, about how our culture, both internally within our own family structures and the external part, you know, the border, as you mentioned, and living in that community and what that means, how that has sort of. I mean, I think for me, it makes me feel like our relationship is even that much stronger in terms of how we have built together. I mean, for me, you were very, very much a safe space and someone that I run to for absolutely anything. Like when things are going down. You know, Xochil is the one that I. You know, you're the first one to see that text on the screen being like, ship's going down. But. But I think it's mostly because we. We understand the context with which that problem is now presenting itself.

[20:49] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Oh, yeah.

[20:50] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: And I think that is one of the most fortunate things you could ever have in any relationship, is the unspoken. I understand. I get it. And I think that you and I were raised very similarly by our parents, who I think are of the same generation. They're definitely of the same culture. They were raised in the same region. So there's a lot of overlap there. But then all of things that we've been through in our border region since the beginning, but of our lives, but most especially since 2016, you know, I mean, even going into Covid, you know, the way that you and I noticed each other raising our kids in a very similar way when they were born and us having the same sort of anxieties and fears, all of those sort of culminated in very similar ways during COVID And you and I still wear masks when the majority of the world does not, and continue to ask our kids to still wear masks. And I can't emphasize enough the importance and how special and how rare it is to sit across from someone who just can consistently say, me too. I get you. That's not to say that you need to find someone that believes in everything the same way that you do or understands all of life's circumstances the way that you do. You and I have spoken before about the beautiful ways in which we challenge each other constantly. But it's like.

[22:34] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: It's like a right. I feel, to be clear, the challenge isn't. It isn't an attack or, like, even a pushing. It's a pulling. It's a wait. Come back. Come back into me. Come back into yourself. I do not see the bad in you where it's the good. I see the good in you and show me that now. That's the special piece. And we're surrounded by people who can very quickly and would happily tell us all the wrong that we have done, all the wrong that we may be. And I think that's part of the safe space, and I hope I try to create it for every person that I meet. But for you and I especially, I think it's important because we cradle each other in the safety of knowing we're going to remind each other of the good in the other. And when the good is not the part shining, where's the support needed? What is the reminder that needs to be issued? Do we need to go have a playdate? Are we able to remind ourselves? Or do we need the kids to remind us now? And that is just so incredible. And to come from a tradition of womanhood that has been so historically held in secret and in silence, I would never call it a muzzle because, wow, our mothers are so strong. But there's a certain degree of vulnerability, I think, that you and I have craved in our lives for a very long time, but never been able to practice because we were raised to be strong. A fortress. Never falter. The right words all the time, the right actions. Nobody should know any of your feelings unless they are acceptable in that moment. And to be two of, like, the world's most emotional people is such a. It's so funny. It's just, like, hilarious. Cause it's just like. Well, that is a surprise, probably to my parents that I turned out the way I did.

[24:47] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: We feel everything so intense.

[24:48] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: It's so intense. Well, and, like, can't bottle it and can't. I cannot. I cannot keep things a secret the way. And that is not a criticism of our mothers or fathers. Like, everyone has had to do what they've had to do to survive. But I guess there's this craving and this yearning for softness before survival now. And I feel like we're so often not allowed that as people of color, women of color, certainly in the border community, you're not allowed to be soft. And I think as we raise children, brown women are supposed to be so strong. And it's so funny that for so long, that's been prescribed to us. What does the strength look like? Oh, I'll tell you. I know exactly what it is. And it's like, no, I actually think maybe the strength is crying when we have to drive. Bye. A wall that separates us from the neighborhood I grew up playing with in Mexico. Like, I think it's okay for her to see me cry. I think it's okay for me to say I'm sorry to her when I make a mistake. And I see you do those same things and other parents in our village, but you and I are so tightly knit now. It's such a teaching. It's sort of like this living teaching that's evolving all the time between you and I in the things that we observe in each other, in the small leading questions of, like. But is this the good shining?

[26:23] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: I think also. Sorry, if I can interrupt, is the dichotomy. Right. And it also. You can bring it, even the border situation, into this, where you talk about strength and about softness, but I think also allowing ourselves to know that we can embody both 100%.

[26:43] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Oh, yeah. Well, then softness can be strength.

[26:45] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Yeah, exactly. And, you know, I think culturally, also accepting both sides of our culture as equally important and as equally. As strong as the core to who we are as people.

[27:00] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Totally.

[27:01] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: And that not. It doesn't have to be either or. And I think that, especially the way that I grew up in school, you know, it was not seen as a good thing to embrace your mexican side. And as an adult, I've come to really see that and really reclaim that and redefine what it means for me.

[27:27] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Well, I mean, we grew up at a time, right? Talk about assimilation. Talk about a loss of language. I mean, my tongue was ripped from me. I was not allowed to speak. People tried to change my name daily. And I still, as you know, you know, work closely with folks who still won't spell my name right, who still won't say it. And that's so, I think, important now because we have these beautiful children, like, can we talk about that assimilation? Can we talk about the assimilation our parents endured and then passed on to us? And now there's these two generations of folks who are now also, some of them raising children, some of them just awesome, that are having to reclaim what was taken from us when we were children. We didn't have a say. We didn't have a right in whether or not we kept it. We didn't even know it was being taken. Right. No, I feel that. Wow. I feel that so strongly in probably, like, some of our vision. Right? And I think you and I have talked in the past about how much our children don't get to see because of what the world is now, how much we got to see, even if we were limited, even if we were forced to assimilate into these different spaces. I realize codeswitching is controversial, but I look at our kids, and they will likely only speak the one language. Right. Calista's on the cusp of fluency now because I've had to force myself, and that's. Again, my language was taken. Our language was taken from us, and so I've had to relearn all of this so that she can learn it again for the first time. That's. Yeah. Those sort of, like, tension moments of. Of what came first and where we are now. It's hard. I think the other piece is, like, the grace that we find in each other and the forgiveness. Forgiveness isn't even a word, is it? These moments where we're allowed to look at each other and say, it's actually okay, like, that's actually not your fault, and then work through it. And that's where I know you hold me to it, even if it's not in words or in some expectation you lay out. It's just here I'm looking at this person, and I want to be the best person I can be for this person. And I know you feel the same way when you look at me. And it's this constant sort of sticking our fingers in the dough and opening it and saying, what's missing? What was taken? What did we lose? How do we get it back? How do we put it back in there? And, like, what don't we. There's some things in there we don't need. How do we get rid of those? Yeah. That. That process, which is ongoing and will be ongoing forever, is just so amazing and challenging, for sure. And I don't. I don't think. I wish everyone had the chance to have just. Even just one person in their life that could hold them through all of this mess. Right? This whole mess of a thing.

[30:49] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Well, and, you know, I know. I've told you before that I think the reason that you're such a safe space in my life is because you're crazy. And, two, is because at the end of the day. It's like there's. I mean, we don't compete against each other. We don't. There's no jealousy. There's no envy. I mean, it's always in service of one another. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, I got a truck the other day. You got jealous for 5 seconds.

[31:28] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: I was jealous. Your partner, however, because I was supposed to have the truck. I'm supposed to be the one off roading. I was not jealous of you. I was amp for you.

[31:38] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Because now you're jealous of me moving on.

[31:45] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: No, because I was literally, like, it's higher. It's higher than my truck has lifted. This is unfair.

[31:51] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: I'm a cowgirl. I require.

[31:53] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: It's also got, like, fresh paint. Mine doesn't have a paint on the hood of it. It was a moment.

[32:00] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: We will paint your car.

[32:02] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: No, the kids can paint it.

[32:03] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Oh, yes. Yes.

[32:05] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: And then I'll never be able to use it for work.

[32:07] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: That's fine. But, yeah, I mean, I think that that's.

[32:12] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: That's.

[32:12] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: You know, there's never. I'm never afraid to come to you and say anything because I know that there's not an element of judgment back there that they just. And I know that you can expect the same from me. It's just not. It just doesn't exist.

[32:30] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Well, what I'll share with you that is unique about you, right. Is I think I've always been able to be that for a lot of people, and it can put me in bad spaces. But so much has happened which we don't have time to talk about today, but so much has happened that has been earth shattering in my family, in our life. And we've risen and we've risen and we've risen, and we've managed to survive. And now I have this beautiful daughter. And when you go through so many things, you become a certain way, right? And there's a million ways you could go, and I've just become this way. I'll take anything. I'll accept anything. None of it can be as bad as some of the other things, right? At the same time, in the wrong hands. For me to be the way I am can be so dangerous with the wrong heart on the other side of my generosity, right? My own heart's generosity. It can be so dangerous, especially to be a woman, right? To be a woman and be this, and say, I offer you this. This space. Come, be safe. Bring whatever you are. And I would say that's why I have grown closer to you than anyone else in my life, because you don't enter that space to take. You enter that space to be with me in it, even if you're the one bringing whatever needs to be brought to this space to heal, right? Like, you're there to be there with me together. And inevitably, we both end up healing from something, and then it transforms into work. And, like, suddenly, okay, we've got this idea for a new project or a new facet or a story or, you know, you go home and journal for 17 hours straight, and I don't hear from you. And then you call me back to read whatever you wrote or vice versa. Suddenly, I have ten year poems. That is such a unique, beautiful manila de ser, right? Like, a way of being that not a lot of people embody. So it makes it easy. I just lay myself bare for you.

[34:49] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: I mean, God, you couldn't have said it more beautifully because I echo the exact same sentiment about you. Like, I have been told my entire life that kindness is something that I need to be very wary of. That it's a danger to me. It's nothing helping me in any capacity that one day someone is going to take terrible advantage of that and ruin me. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that throughout my life. And for some crazy ass reason, I can't change.

[35:31] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: But we're not meant to, right?

[35:32] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Like, I mean, this is. Look at where we are.

[35:35] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Look at everything happening.

[35:37] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: But it's also brought me such beautiful relationships. But this one being, you know, one of my most important. Because I know at the end of the day that we understand that about each other and that we are spaces for each other to continue being. That without fear of it being taken advantage of or abused, manipulated. And there have been so many people who also have just been. Who I didn't realize until the past few years, who really counted on me being all forgiving and all loving and without limits, without boundaries, without anything like that. When I learned how to say when and enough is enough, I not only lost them, but I lost them brutally. And that is something that I will forever have to contend with and recover from. But I know that moving forward, you and I have agreed to be. To tap each other when we see the opportunity for that to start happening from other people towards us, well, but it's also like.

[37:01] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: It centers. At least for me, it's on the kids and what they see. Any person comes in or out of our life, any project, any slice of work is going to touch them because of the world we've built. For them and I, it's going to be. It's hard. It is hard. It has been hard. But if the. If the generosity and the kindness isn't there at the heart of everything they see us do, along with care for our limitations, acknowledgement of our limitations, right. We're not allowed to acknowledge limitations. That's not been something we've been conditioned to do. Limitations for safety, I should clarify. I want that to be the center. How is kindness and generosity the way forward while keeping myself safe? And if they grow up to do the work that you and I have done and do, they'll be in danger. That's just part of the thing, I think these days you just have to be human to be in danger now. So, yeah, I don't know, I think. I'm just so proud of you. So proud of you, proud of our kids and so many wishes still, which is great. I don't know. I bet in five years we'll be doing something totally different.

[38:35] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: My slice of land.

[38:36] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: My slice of land will be in hand. And you'll be very uncomfortable sleeping in the dirt with me on my acreage. There will be no facilities to use.

[38:44] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: The rest of, because all I could.

[38:47] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Afford was the land.

[38:50] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: As long as my horse and a donkey are part of that equation. And our children are, like, sleeping in.

[38:56] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Town somewhere that you have the horse and I have the donkey. Happily, it's not a complaint. Of course I got the mule.

[39:06] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: They're cute.

[39:07] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Oh, they're so good. And they're strong. They're the ones that can go up the mountain.

[39:11] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: This is true. I mean, you know, you and I do a lot of community service work, and I'm so proud that we're officially working together now. And it's so powerful and so incredible. And I think something that we. It's just going to be incredible. But I just, lastly, want to say that I hope that in many years from now, we are basking in our own kindness and pride and enjoying it all, and that we're just. And that our kids are good and happy and proud and just safe. I just want everybody to be safe.

[40:05] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Ranchito.

[40:05] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Yes.

[40:08] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Ranchito. Allegra.

[40:10] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Ranchito.

[40:12] XOCHITL RODRIGUEZ: Thank you.

[40:13] ANGIE REZA TERRACE: Thank you.