Amy Inman and Paul Inman

[00:03] AMY INMAN: Hello. My name is Amy Inman I am 54 years old. It's October 14, 2023, and we're in St. Louis, and I'm sitting here with my husband, Paul Inman

[00:17] PAUL INMAN: Yep. And I'm Paul Inman As Amy mentioned, we're here in the shiny story course airstream recording trailer. Very nice. And today we're going to talk about a time that I suffered a health crisis.

[00:33] AMY INMAN: And this was back in early 1997, and we were living in Kansas City at the time, and we were hours away from all of our relatives. We've been married for five years and had a beautiful two year old daughter. And I was pregnant with our second baby, and we were both working like crazy. Do you remember that time, that stressful time?

[01:01] PAUL INMAN: Yeah, I definitely remember that time. So it's probably best to kind of set up how I had this health incident. So when we moved, when we first got married, we lived in Pittsburgh, and then we moved to Kansas City. And I got a job at Hallmark cards, and I worked at downtown, and I was really into the Internet. So this is before the web came along. And so I was the Internet guy at Hallmark. And when the company decided, well, I actually put together a proposal and we launched the hallmark.com dot. So I have Hallmark.com employee number one, which kept me very, very busy the first couple of years. I was almost the whole staff of hallmark.com dot. And so the way we set the website up, we changed it with every season. We would go from Halloween, and then we would go to Christmas, and then we would go to Valentine's Day. And that meant that every couple of months, I had to roll out several hundred pages of content and information for the website, which was a lot of work. And so the busiest time that I was working was always the week that I needed to finalize all that content and send it out to the agency that I was working with. And so in March or April, I think it was April, I was working on Father's Day, and I woke up on the Monday that I had to do all of that work. And I had the stomach flu, really bad, which was a bad thing because I was already working 50, 60 hours a week. And so now I was a day behind.

[02:30] AMY INMAN: And I remember that you were. I said, you should stay home. And you didn't.

[02:34] PAUL INMAN: No, I stayed home that Monday, but.

[02:36] AMY INMAN: Not the next day, but the next.

[02:37] PAUL INMAN: Day I got up and I'm like, I gotta go to work because I got to get all this stuff done. So I went to, I went to work on a Tuesday and I mean, seven to seven, long day. Still wasn't feeling right on Tuesday. And I remember talking to you about that, I'm like, I just don't quite feel good. And then Wednesday came back at work, and Wednesday I really, I called you up late in the day, and I was like, I really don't feel good, but. But I hung in there. So Thursday, I got up and went to work, and I remember calling you around noon on Thursday, and I was like, I'm like, I keep my arms hurting me. That's what it was, my arms hurting me. I think I said something to you about my arms hurting me. And then that night when I was driving home, I called you on the way home, and I said that I was really hungry, I was really tired, and that I was having this really bad heartburn. And I joked that I feel like I'm having a heart attack.

[03:39] AMY INMAN: And I said, well, what did you have for lunch? And you said, chicken. And I was like, well, chicken doesn't sound very spicy.

[03:47] PAUL INMAN: It wasn't spicy chicken. So I came home, and I remember taking, like, a fistful of antacids. And then we had some dinner, and everything settled down, and we watched some tv, and we got Julianna to bed, and we went to bed. And then I remember waking up around two or three in the morning, and my arm was really hurting so bad that I rolled over on my right side because it was my left arm that was hurting. And I managed to go back to sleep for about an hour, and I woke up around, I don't know, 334 o'clock in the morning. And now the pain was sort of radiating up into my jaw, and I was really feeling bad. And all I could think about was, I have to get up and go to work because I have all of this stuff to hand off. So I remember I woke you up and I talked to you. Do you remember that?

[04:46] AMY INMAN: Yeah. And you said, I think I'm gonna go to the hospital and get some.

[04:50] PAUL INMAN: Antacid, like, maybe they can give me some super ant acid.

[04:53] AMY INMAN: And I said, do you want me to go with you? And the hospital was only, like, a couple of miles away. And you said, well, we don't want to wake up the baby, our two year old.

[05:05] PAUL INMAN: I said, I'll just drive myself. I said, here's what I'll do. I'll just get up, get cleaned up, I'll drive myself up there. They can give me this antacid, and then I'll just go from there to work. So I left the house at, like.

[05:16] AMY INMAN: 430 and we should remember that you were only 29 at the time.

[05:21] PAUL INMAN: It's true. 29. So, yeah, so I went to the hospital. I remember going to the hospital. It was still dark out. First thing in the morning, I came into the emergency room and they checked me in, you know, what's your name, what's your date of birth and what are your symptoms? And I said, you know, my chest is hurting and I really feel like I'm having really bad acid reflux. And they said, okay, well, let's get you checked in, and then we're going to come back here and we'll just going to run a little, we'll run some tests or something. And I said, okay. So they brought me back. They didn't even take me in the back. They were up front. And they pulled out these little sticky pads and stuck them on my chest and pulled out this little machine, the EKG. The EKG, which I didn't know was an EKG. And they said, well, Mister Inman it looks like you're having a heart attack. We're going to roll you into the emergency room. Would you like us to call your wife? And I remember thinking, and I remember saying, yeah, I think, well, one, I was totally shocked and kind of freaking out a little bit. And two, I was like, yes, yes, let's call her. That sounds like a good plan. Definitely call her. So they rolled me into the emergency room. So do you remember when they called you?

[06:40] AMY INMAN: Yeah, it was in the middle of the night. And I get a phone call and it was the nurse from the ER saying, this is so and so from Overland Park Regional hospital, and your husband's having a heart attack, and we need you to come to the hospital right away. And I was like, what? And so I was scrambling around, I'm pregnant. You know, we had, our two year old was asleep.

[07:04] PAUL INMAN: You were about five and a half months pregnant, right? Maybe six.

[07:09] AMY INMAN: And I scrambled around and put a pair of jeans on, dirty pair of jeans on anddez. Why? I don't know. I just put a cardigan sweater on. I didn't even have a shirt underneath on. And then I grabbed the julianna, got her in the car seat and went right to the emergency room. And I didn't even realize again that my bra was hanging out of this cardigan's wetter until hours later. But I got there and she handed me a bunch of papers, said, your husband's having a heart attack. Before we go in, we're getting ready to send him to the cath lab to do a cardiac cath, which I didn't know what was. And I need you to sign all these papers. So your husband, if he. If the cardiac cath says that there's blockage, we might send him right into surgery. And so you need to sign this. This. Your husband could die from this. This. You need to initial this, this, this. And I'm holding our two year old at the time who was, you know, half awake in her yellow sleeper zip up and going. I was completely freaked out. And then I walk in, which I didn't know that they had treated you, but I walk in to see you in the ER room after I had signed those papers, and there you were. And do you remember what had happened to you?

[08:36] PAUL INMAN: I remember when you came in, because. So they rolled me back in this. It was like the little sheet rooms, right? It was the emergency, like, treatment rooms or whatever, and they gave me something.

[08:49] AMY INMAN: It was nitroglycerin.

[08:50] PAUL INMAN: Nitroglycerin to put under my tongue, which I didn't know that now or then, but I know it now totally drops your blood pressure and really makes you feel nauseous. So I had just had that maybe five minutes before you got there. It didn't take you long to get there because it was close by, but I just was feeling like I was gonna be sick, and I was, like, ashen gray. And that's when you walked in. So I think I probably look like death. Warm dope.

[09:19] AMY INMAN: You looked bad. You looked really bad. And they had just told me that they were getting ready to send you into the cath and that if the cath was positive.

[09:29] PAUL INMAN: Right, well, they were gonna cath lab, but they were gonna.

[09:31] AMY INMAN: Right, but if. But if they showed blockers, they were gonna send you right to surgery. Right, right. And so. And so she says to me, do you want to say something to your husband? Cause they were getting ready to roll you to the cath lab. And I was, like, having had the conversation with her that they may take you into surgery, and, I don't know, they had already explained all the things that could kill you. Right. And I was sitting there going, I gotta say goodbye. And then you. Do you remember what you said?

[09:59] PAUL INMAN: Yeah. So I just remember the nurse, she was, like, scurrying around back and forth in the room, and she was going from one side to the other, and she was getting supplies or whatever. And you walked in, and I could just. Up until you walked in, I was like. I was kind of freaked out, but I was like, it wasn't. It hadn't really sunk in. And then I saw you, and I could tell by your face that you were really freaked out. And so I was like, I gotta say something to lighten the mood. And so I said, honey, why? I'm like, why don't you. Why don't you go back home and get the video camera? We can get some action photography of daddy's heart attack. And that nurse was walking behind you. You didn't see her. She stopped and she turned and she looked at me and she gave me this look, like, if you say anything that stupid again, I'm gonna come slap you.

[10:45] AMY INMAN: She was pissed.

[10:46] PAUL INMAN: She was not happy. And that was the moment where I was like, that's where it really. I'm like, oh, this is serious. Like, then I was really freaked out, right? I'm like, I'm having a heart attack. Like, right? I mean, what's going on?

[11:01] AMY INMAN: Well. And so they roll you away?

[11:04] PAUL INMAN: Well, they gave me some. They gave me morphine. I remember that. And you get this really warm feeling in your chest when you take morphine. And then, like, I was feeling, like, kind of out of it. I was, like, kind of off in space then, and I. And they rolled me out, and then everything gets a little foggy. But I can remember rolling into the cath lab, and they had monitors up on the wall and what they were going to do. So they made an incision in my. Down by my. In my leg. And they dropped in this die, and they had somehow. They had an image of the heart while they were doing that. So I could see my heart on the screen. And then they dropped in the die, and I could see it roll through all of my arteries and veins and everything. And the doctors and the nurses might have been standing right next to me, but I was on morphine. So in my mind, there was, like a glass window there, and everybody was on the other side talking back and forth. And they're like, there's no blockage. That's the thing that I really kind of remember. And I was like, there's no blockage. I think I'm having a heart attack. Right? And so, I mean, that's what I remember. And then I think they rolled me maybe back out to you. I don't remember.

[12:25] AMY INMAN: No, they pulled me into the room. You were still there, and you were really out of it. And they said, there's no blockage. Is your husband doing drugs? Are you sure that your husband's doing drugs? And I'm like, no, no. Is your husband. Does he take cocaine? And I'm like, no. And then I'm thinking, is he, like, is he? And I don't know. I appreciate that, because they were, like, insistent. Are you sure? Are you sure your husband's not taking drugs? Will you tell us if he is? Like, would you. Would you. We're not here to police. We're not. But we want to know what kind of drugs is your husband on? And I'm like, he's not. He doesn't even drink, you know, I mean, he, like, he's a. He's not, you know, like, right.

[13:16] PAUL INMAN: No, he's not taking drugs.

[13:18] AMY INMAN: And they were like, okay. And then I walk in, and you were, like, loopy, and. But then they were like, they didn't know what was going on.

[13:26] PAUL INMAN: Yeah. So it was a Friday morning, and they, at some point, they moved me to the ICU, and I had to be flat on my back because of the incision that they made to do the catheterization. And that was got. And I had to lay like that for 24 hours or 30 hours or something, and that got really uncomfortable. I remember that. But we rolled into Friday night.

[13:54] AMY INMAN: Well, they still, the EKG was still showing that you were still having direct events, and so they were. That's why they had you in the IC.

[14:01] PAUL INMAN: Yeah. So, I mean, we've talked about this, but, like, if you ever have a cardiac event, your EKG will look abnormal. The curves look different, and so they're like, there's definitely something going on with your heart, like your heart muscle. And so we think you had a heart attack. And so that's what they treated it like. But they put me on a full course of antibiotics as well. And we rolled into the weekend, and the staff got a little bit thinner, and the doctors weren't quite around as much. But the next morning, Saturday morning, I woke up and they said, okay, we're going to prep you and we're going to move you into a normal room.

[14:37] AMY INMAN: Was it Saturday at the end?

[14:38] PAUL INMAN: It was the next day. It was the next day. And I was like, okay, great. So they're getting me all prepped, and they roll me out in the hall and they said, and once we get you there, we're going to get you some breakfast. And I said, well, that sounds great. I said, but you know what? I really am having some acid reflux this morning.

[14:55] AMY INMAN: So why would you think you were still reflux?

[14:58] PAUL INMAN: I don't know. And I'm like, so if you can get me some antacid before I have breakfast, that would be great. And they rolled me over to an EKG, and they hooked me back up and they rolled me back into the.

[15:07] AMY INMAN: ICU that you were having another.

[15:10] PAUL INMAN: It was still ongoing. Yeah. It was not. Yeah. So that's. I mean, so then I spent the next three days in the ICU until late Monday, I think. And that was just long, just sitting. And they just kept a check on my vitals, and they kept giving me different. I don't know what all they were giving me, but they were trying to get things to settle down and look, not like I was in distress or that my blood pressure was out of whack or. Yeah, I mean, that's. I mean, do you remember any of those days in the ICU?

[15:44] AMY INMAN: I was completely overwhelmed because family people came up. Your mom. Your mom came up and she helped out. And you have to remember what was going on in my life at the same time.

[15:55] PAUL INMAN: We had a baby. Yeah.

[15:56] AMY INMAN: Well.

[15:57] PAUL INMAN: And you were working like crazy.

[15:58] AMY INMAN: Well, what happened that week was also. I was closing my deal with Sprint.

[16:03] PAUL INMAN: Right.

[16:04] AMY INMAN: I was working for informix technology, and we were signing an enterprise wide contract with Sprint. And that was. That was my whole year's commission was that week. And sprint was negotiating really hard. And I remember it was the end of the quarter, and I was there at 11:00 at night, still talking to. At sprint, still talking to our attorney and their attorneys and their procurement, and we finally got it done. But I remember driving back and here, you know, I had secured my commission for the whole year. It was a great contract. And I was crying all the way back home. You know, it was dark, it was 11:00 at night, and I was completely stressed out. And, you know, we've been traveling. We had been working like crazy. And I had started. Because of the stress, I'd started spotting. Right. So I was bleeding.

[17:08] PAUL INMAN: Yeah, I remember.

[17:09] AMY INMAN: And I was pregnant, and I was.

[17:11] PAUL INMAN: Like, that was scary.

[17:13] AMY INMAN: I don't know what to do now, you know? So then we end up having. I had to go and meet with my doctor to make sure that I didn't lose the pregnancy because I was so stressed.

[17:24] PAUL INMAN: We had a lot going on.

[17:26] AMY INMAN: It was a crazy time.

[17:28] PAUL INMAN: It was crazy. So I think I was in the hospital a total of seven days. Does that sound right? Maybe a normal room for another three days after the ICU. They prepped me all up. They said, all right, we're going to sign you up for cardiac rehab. Right? Which is what you do if you've had a heart attack and you're gonna go home. Take it easy. We don't recommend you go right back to work.

[17:54] AMY INMAN: And they still hadn't diagnosed what happened.

[17:57] PAUL INMAN: Well, they were calling it a heart attack, right. So I came home and I think I took a week off. It's about a week. Like, I think I got home on a Wednesday, and maybe I took that the rest of that weekend, the full next week after that. And then I went back the following Monday and jumped right back into work. Yeah. And so it was kind of a big deal around work because I was 29 and everybody's like, oh, my gosh, the web guy, the website guy, had a heart attack.

[18:28] AMY INMAN: And it's part of the homework value.

[18:32] PAUL INMAN: And, I mean, I think after a week, the CEO of Hallmark, what was his name? I can't think of his name. Anyway, he stopped by my office or my cube, and he said, look, I have the top cardiac guy in the city. And I told him that I'm sending you to him. And he sent me to see the top cardiac guy, which was pretty cool. And so I went to see the top cardiac guy, and it was the most interesting doctor's appointment I'd ever had at that point. I got there and his nurse came in and she interviewed me for like an hour, and she went through everything, and she took all these copious notes and stuff. And then he came in and he spent like 30 or 40 minutes with me. And I was like, I've never had a doctor's mom like this.

[19:27] AMY INMAN: And so when the CEO come on.

[19:30] PAUL INMAN: Curse, well, I said, you know, I had a gold plated recommendation, so. And it was pretty unusual. So at the end of all that, he says, okay, here's my diagnosis. He said you were sick that week. You're under a lot of stress. He goes, I don't think you had a heart attack. I think you had what's called pericarditis and you had mild myocarditis. So the pericardium is the lining around the heart and the myocardium is the muscle of your heart. Your EKG still looks abnormal, meaning that there's been a little bit of damage to your heart. And he goes, when you have pericarditis, you really have two outcomes. You either don't make it or you get better. He goes, so we're going to take it really easy for the next six months, and I believe that over time, your EKG will revert to normal. And so he said, I want you to come see me once a month. And so for the next six months, once a month, I would go in and see him and we would check up. And so at the end of six months, I went in for my last visit and he said, your EKG has resolved to normal. Everything looks good. Feel free to overdo. And he sent me on my way.

[20:45] AMY INMAN: But the point, though, and what he had said during one of your visits that I remember was that because you had been ill.

[20:56] PAUL INMAN: Right.

[20:56] AMY INMAN: The infection. Right. Had moved.

[20:58] PAUL INMAN: It attacked my heart. You're right.

[20:59] AMY INMAN: But it had moved from being stomach flu, being a stomach flu to the heart, moved up to the heart sac because you had been not taking care of yourself.

[21:12] PAUL INMAN: Well, I don't remember that, but I clearly was not.

[21:17] AMY INMAN: I know you're taking the best care of myself. Well, that's the reason why it's not what you progressed.

[21:23] PAUL INMAN: Well, I mean, but I was. And it was the stress too. I mean, because you, you and I both can put ourselves into a lot of stress. So. Yeah, so that was.

[21:33] AMY INMAN: But it became a pivotal moment in our marriage.

[21:36] PAUL INMAN: I mean, right. I mean, we still talk about it because it's what, 30 plus years of marriage that was kind of a watershed event.

[21:44] AMY INMAN: That's. Then it. But it changed so much of our life because we started making decisions because of it.

[21:52] PAUL INMAN: Well, so let's rewind. So by that time was sort of October. No, by. By six months. You'd already had our second daughter. Well, right before you gave birth to Christina.

[22:05] AMY INMAN: Right. Because this happened in March, April. And then I gave birth to her.

[22:08] PAUL INMAN: In August, August 25. And so you stayed home.

[22:13] AMY INMAN: And I had continued, had continued complications with that pregnancy with all of what had happened. And I was also working crazy hours still.

[22:25] PAUL INMAN: No, we were both just.

[22:26] AMY INMAN: And we were trying to.

[22:27] PAUL INMAN: We were traveling. We were both traveling so much.

[22:29] AMY INMAN: We were both traveling and we had no family in town and we had a two year old too. And so we were like, what are we chasing?

[22:37] PAUL INMAN: Right. So you took twelve weeks off and you were planning, firmly planning to go back to work. And I took, we tried to stretch it out with both the girls. I took ten weeks after your twelve weeks. So my ten weeks took us all the way up almost to the start of the year. But I remember you were staying home and somehow, and sometime during your staying home, you just came to me and you went, okay, this ain't gonna work.

[23:04] AMY INMAN: Like, I can't travel. How are we gonna do this with two kids? And I'm. We're both.

[23:11] PAUL INMAN: I remember looking, we sat down and looked at our calendars and the first week that I would have gone back to work, which was like the start of January, you were gonna be in the valley for a week, and I was gonna be in Boston for a week at the same. The first week.

[23:25] AMY INMAN: And I was nursing, and we had no family to where we gonna do? And, you know, we were trying to figure out what we were. Who's gonna take care of who? And we didn't have a nanny.

[23:36] PAUL INMAN: You know, we didn't have anything. I mean, we had daycare, but it was.

[23:39] AMY INMAN: But not a nanny at home. Nobody to know overnight with our kids. And I was making. I was making more money than you.

[23:46] PAUL INMAN: No, I mean, you were the. You were the breadwinner, for sure. And. And we had those long conversations about, okay, do I stay home or do you stay home? Right, right.

[23:56] AMY INMAN: And what are we gonna do? And what's our long term plan? And can we stay in Kansas City?

[24:00] PAUL INMAN: Yeah, it's true.

[24:02] AMY INMAN: Right.

[24:03] PAUL INMAN: Yeah.

[24:03] AMY INMAN: And we sat down and had a really long conversation.

[24:06] PAUL INMAN: We had the gnashing of teeth.

[24:07] AMY INMAN: We did at the gnashing of teeth. And I got the paper out and said, let's. Let's make pointed notes. And you said, why do we have to write everything down on piece of paper? Kind of like the questions today.

[24:17] PAUL INMAN: Exactly, exactly. At least we're consistent. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know how we finally decided that you were gonna stay home.

[24:29] AMY INMAN: I think I made that decision.

[24:31] PAUL INMAN: That sounds right. And.

[24:35] AMY INMAN: I finally came to it, and I just said.

[24:38] PAUL INMAN: Which was.

[24:39] AMY INMAN: And it wasn't for a particular time. We said, well, let's just see where this goes a little bit. Right.

[24:44] PAUL INMAN: But that was also a pivotal moment in 30 years of marriage. I mean, that first year that you stayed home, that was a really big adjustment for everybody.

[24:53] AMY INMAN: Right. But what. But in the gnashing of the teeth moments, we decided, I think, a couple of things that were really important to us, like, I think, number one was that even though we were married, even though we were capable people, we couldn't do it away from our family. We couldn't.

[25:16] PAUL INMAN: Away from our family that we were trying to do.

[25:18] AMY INMAN: We couldn't have. We couldn't both work. We couldn't both go through all of this and be away from support networks.

[25:25] PAUL INMAN: Yeah.

[25:26] AMY INMAN: And I don't know how other people do it. I don't know how single parents do it if they don't have a family network. I don't.

[25:31] PAUL INMAN: It's so hard.

[25:32] AMY INMAN: It's really hard.

[25:35] PAUL INMAN: And we wanted to be with the. When the girls were little, that's when we were like, it would be nice if they could be around family, too.

[25:41] AMY INMAN: So we made the decision that we would try to move closer to home, even though it took us two years to do it.

[25:46] PAUL INMAN: Yeah, it did take two years. If you remember, after I went back to work, I, for the next couple years, was even more stressed and worked.

[25:57] AMY INMAN: Even harder, which we didn't really learn our lesson because I remember right after. Right after you had the heart, the pericarditis heart event, you started, I have to eat healthy, I have to do all this. And they said, no, no, it actually was the infection. You're like, oh, good, well, then I don't have to eat healthy, I don't have to eat healthy, and I don't know, whatever.

[26:19] PAUL INMAN: I just gotta lay off the cocaine and I have to.

[26:22] AMY INMAN: I can, you know, be stressed and it's fine. It was just an infection.

[26:27] PAUL INMAN: Yeah.

[26:28] AMY INMAN: Which wasn't really.

[26:29] PAUL INMAN: That wasn't it. But it did ultimately, I did turn that around, and I think it all goes back to that. It just didn't immediately get with the program. So, you know, after a couple years is when I finally started to. Well, I got my allergies treated, which was a big difference, and I got, you know, started sleeping better, and that's when I started to walk and run and stuff. And it did. It changed. I mean, it changed so many different directions that we were going.

[26:56] AMY INMAN: It really did well, and we realized that, you know, life is short, and even though, you know, we were chasing this, you know, professional goals and we were, you know, I was able to bring in great money at the time and we were, you know, is that. Is this really what we want? You know, it became like this shadow that we were chasing that wasn't really.

[27:30] PAUL INMAN: Yeah, I don't know if we've totally given that up.

[27:32] AMY INMAN: We've chased, but, you know, I mean, the truth is. Right. And I did. I did give it up for a while.

[27:40] PAUL INMAN: No, you did, definitely. I mean, you were on the a track all the way, and you were a heavy hitter, and, I mean, you've recreated that in your nonprofit world, but.

[27:49] AMY INMAN: I mean, it's changed. It's changed.

[27:52] PAUL INMAN: It did put you on a different track. It definitely did.

[27:54] AMY INMAN: And, you know, at least we got through that and supported each other through that.

[28:03] PAUL INMAN: And even what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, kinda.

[28:08] AMY INMAN: Exactly. But. And then you. I mean, and we didn't even know what pericarditis or.

[28:14] PAUL INMAN: No, I didn't know any of that.

[28:16] AMY INMAN: What any. What any of that is. And there are young people who have this and die from it. I mean, we've heard athletes, we've had.

[28:27] PAUL INMAN: Once we recognize it, we started seeing it everywhere.

[28:30] AMY INMAN: Toni Braxton, you know, the singer, she had it at 37, and definitely younger people. Right. And we had no idea what that even was. And here we're like, well, with COVID it's been.

[28:43] PAUL INMAN: One of the big things that has affected people with COVID is that they get pericarditis. Right. I've heard it more since COVID than any other time.

[28:50] AMY INMAN: Right. And there's been controversy as to, you know, what causes it or maybe if it was just happening and it was happening before COVID too.

[28:59] PAUL INMAN: Well, no, yeah, it's not. It's not just a Covid thing, but it's definitely outcome of that. So, yeah, I mean, it was definitely. We've always talked about, like, the toughest years in marriage for us have been the transition years. Like, the first year we got married, the first year we had a kid that year, the first year you stayed home. Anytime we've moved, you know, changes in jobs, all those things put pressure on it.

[29:23] AMY INMAN: Right. But I think that. I think it strengthened us. Right. So, totally, you know, when we first got married, we moved to Pittsburgh. We were away from everybody, and it. It did strengthen us because we had to rely on each other. And then. And then when this happened, we had moved to Kansas City. We were all by ourselves again. Right, in. In another city. And. And then we deal with this total crisis, and we still came through it, supporting each other, which is pretty incredible, you know, that we haven't killed each other through that. I mean, as you were going through your health crisis that almost killed you.

[29:58] PAUL INMAN: Really is the central tenet of our marriage, which is. I mean, I think we both believe firmly that you really have to be committed.

[30:09] AMY INMAN: Or be committed.

[30:10] PAUL INMAN: Or be committed. Well, what's our other thing that we always say?

[30:15] AMY INMAN: What.

[30:15] PAUL INMAN: I mean, what are our things with marriage? So, one is you can be right or you can be married.

[30:20] AMY INMAN: Yeah, whatever. That's true.

[30:27] PAUL INMAN: You can get out of this marriage.

[30:30] AMY INMAN: If I take you out. No, we are not. No, no, that is not.

[30:34] PAUL INMAN: I believe you came up with that one.

[30:37] AMY INMAN: All right. Well, yeah, so I think that. Well, I do want to thank you, though, for, you know, working with me at the time and realizing that things needed to change and that we weren't gonna continue to hit our head on this crazy wall and that we were, you know, even though it. It took you going to the hospital to make these changes. Yeah. But I think that it really. And it was my decision to stay home with the kids. So that decision going through this whole crisis, you know, gave me the opportunity that I probably would have stayed, you know, in that situation, and our life wouldn't have been as happy.

[31:33] PAUL INMAN: No, I don't think that I've ever. I don't think you have either. I don't think we've ever looked back on the decision, the changes that we made, and have thought, well, that didn't go well. It actually made some really positive impacts.

[31:45] AMY INMAN: Right. I. And everybody's decisions are different. Right. And everybody's situation is different, but for us at that time, it was the right decision, and, you know, we got through that. And I still remember holding Juliana in that yellow sleeper in the emergency room.

[32:04] PAUL INMAN: Sitting, like, right next to me on the bed there.

[32:06] AMY INMAN: Yeah, well, and I had her on my hip, too, and looking down and realizing that I didn't have a shirt under my cardigan. I'm sure all the doctors were like, oh, nice pink bra.

[32:24] PAUL INMAN: Good times.

[32:24] AMY INMAN: And then in thinking where I've got to call family, I've got to call everybody, I've got to, you know, we've got to figure out how we're going to get through this.

[32:37] PAUL INMAN: But we did.

[32:38] AMY INMAN: But we did. Yeah, we got through it.

[32:40] PAUL INMAN: We did.

[32:43] AMY INMAN: All right.