Andrew Benson and Phillip Surgent

00:04 Andrew Benson 36th Thursday, July 30th, 2020 Boulder Colorado with Phil surge Fair one small step

00:20 And I'm Phil surgeon age 42 today is July 30th, Thursday or 20/20. I'm here in Pittsburgh with Andrew Benson one small step.

00:34 So my life story time from Phoenix, I was born in Central Phoenix and my father on the family business the Machine Shop service farm equipment race car motors and I needed my full rebuild thing and he was a cylinder boring specialist. My mother was at various times teacher stay-at-home mom and I am the youngest of three siblings out of the older brother or sister. Let's see in a grown-up in Phoenix super diverse Community. I went to a school that was just down the street and walk to

01:34 And a very very diverse school got active and boy scouts really young government and that stuff up through in a middle school kind of boy scout camp and did that sort of thing and works at the headquarters of Camp Geronimo in northern, Arizona.

02:07 I ended up going to a high school and that my brother and sister is gone too and just like the academic expectations After High School were really really low and I was just kind of frankly all of my friends were kind of getting in trouble and you know breaking into houses and doing doing bad stuff and I was like if I stay in this school, I'm going to end up in jail and end up, you know, something bad is going to happen. So I ended up going to high school Community College and started college at basically 16. I started taking college courses while finishing up my high school program and that was just such a I was a great opportunity for me to be exposed to a lot of different in a working adult Seno's Community College. So you have to sue for divorce.

03:07 People on those kind of really fast maturation and at that point, I think you know, I wanted to go into business and you know to be an entrepreneur and I think we'll talk about this later but in September 11th happens and my whole world shifted my world you and really really shifted my and I started getting more interested in politics and started being more curious about the world. And so I shifted my focus ultimately to study art history and religion and sites be I want to be a photographer photojournalist and start focusing on that.

03:53 And all University worked as a journalist at Arizona State University while studying art history and religion and

04:06 Realize that being War photographer was a quick pass the loneliness of death. When is with a great mentor you had a decent size Trucking Company in Phoenix and got to work on in a big docudrama projects for the BBC and Discovery Channel worked on The Amazing Race. You know, what is 620 as a as a coordinator? So it was super cool finished University and kept working and production, you know is working as a producer and then started writing and then started directing and San Francisco for 5 years. I lived in Liberia for 6 months South Africa for six months working on production stuff met my girlfriend in Liberia, and we moved to New York together lives in New York for

05:06 Two years up until the beginning of the year and then he'll get hit and we are now or now Nomads are living in Colorado, but going to hit the road and be no match for the near future. So that's where I'm surprised. I got all that down in 5 minutes.

05:29 Well, I'm very thankful. This isn't a competition on who has the more interesting life cuz I allowed to dip out right now and go right out that door and I'm just kidding. I actually read all this stuff down. But how many did it for a moment here? But I okay I was born and raised and lived in working-class Pittsburgh have any kids bakery for more years than I care to think about and I've been licensed massage therapist in the last 10 years. My goal is a transition in the massage full-time. Once a few Financial Obligations are satisfied mind Roy house project cigars history musical theater opera Jazz and collecting curio and Relic Firearms. But of course. Coronavirus put a delay on any of those types of plans. I've always enjoyed hearing of people stories lives and Views. And the reason for that is in Pittsburgh.

06:29 Iqor grew up in the late seventies and eighties like right when the steel mill collapse head, but at that time that Pittsburgh is pretty balkanized city. I mean, there's does the Italians are the Irish. There's black neighborhoods and everybody pretty much stayed in their own neighborhood. There was any problems but don't go beyond the 40th Street Bridge. That's a different neighborhood. Then I was one of those kind of deals and of course I have this curiosity now of how other people are thinking that's one of the reasons why I'm here being a massage therapist is that I interact with a wide variety of people then the different experiences. So it's a fascinating work and fascinating clientele recent events have caused me to audit a lot of how I view the world in. The reason for that is goes along with my earliest memory politics when I was in high school. I had a buddy of mine who would just say

07:29 I'm watch the Weather Channel all night for some reason and I'm like I'm not really interested in the weather but are C-SPAN. So I'll just watch some congressmen speak to the end empty chamber. So I'll just stay up and watch that fast moving to that is some reason it fascinated me, you know, but I kind of got into it there and then over the years. I've got more politically involved but it wasn't until I would say the Obama Administration. I just noticed myself. I wasn't didn't feel very authentic. I didn't feel very true to my views. I felt like I was more she'll for other people's views and I was allowing other people think for me in and either a lot of the views that of organizations and people that I would normally agree with you know, but I'm not going to let these people think for me a little bit of resentment toward myself in that way. So I'm currently auditing a lot of My Views and going through things and I've been very fortunate to have some fine people that are willing to share their experiences even though

08:29 And sharing those experiences that brings them somewhat paying them particularly with the race issues and things like that very very emotional subject for a lot of people and for that I'm thankful for those people meet us there slots and feeling the grace of God and some people I'm in a position to learn and love and I have taken advantage of that position to grow in a way to learn and grow is why I got involved with the make America dinner a great organization organization. And of course why I'm sitting here talking with you folks My Philosophy is that most problems can be solved if people honestly have the goal of solving problems might just trying to win. So that's that's why I'm here meeting some people that are interested in solving problems people because I don't want to be in that position again, where where I'm substituting assumptions for for what reality is an over the years I've

09:29 Grand the value of human connection. I've never been a massage therapist and just generally talking to people when your bored and thank you very much.

09:46 Awesome, we ended early but the next question is there so you just ask.

09:52 Okay, so feel can you tell me about someone who has been kind as to you and your life?

09:59 Well, that's a good question. Very good question is your name off several people are free mentors that I've had and it's kind of hard. I can just some up my experiences and deal with them because they were very authentic with me and then I'll just just just tell you about this basic my basic experiences in that was any time that they would see like for example of one gentleman's name is Eddie and the one time I kind of said a swear word in front of him and he just pulled me aside because you really discredit yourself when you say stuff like that. And I mean, of course, I mean that doesn't quite take my swearing habithai verse where you are the Envy of everybody but the point is not to be very kind when somebody pulls me the series of interactions over that over the years or somebody has pulled me aside and said hey, you know, what was talked about what you're saying here and I would say most recently with you know, the black lives.

10:59 The protests that are going on I've had several people just share their experiences with me because I'm sure we'll get into this since this is probably the most significant is that they have explain things from their point of view that sort of indirectly challenge my point of view and as incomplete and they wouldn't they wouldn't categorize my view is wrong. You're not seeing the whole picture and I find that to be very kind and I can listen to people or one woman's name is diamond. And the other one is name is Erica and they've they've been very kind to me and very patient with me and that's because it's so easy, you know when somebody says something really stupid about race or just dismiss them or Dogpile on them that these people cared enough for me to actually say hey, you know what this experience and then think about it and that. Just that interaction alone that patience is really broaden my view with with with

11:59 What's going on? So I shall ask you the same question? What what's up? Can you tell me someone who's exhibited kindness towards you?

12:09 Well, I think the easy went as far as my mother that you know, my mother is like such a kind and generous patient care giving individual and I you know, my my sister and I I'm actually staying with my mom right now and my sister lives near here and we were having dinner and recently and I was reflecting on this bit. I don't ever remember my mom being like overt about her values or her or her kindness, you know, it was always there like her her carrying her generosity and I don't ever remember being so it was always there.

12:57 You know beyond that my mentor in in production and if it was extremely kind and caring I think Brandi and you know, he took me in 19 and just got through me to the wolves and I screwed up so many times and and he was there to catch me. You know how you were there to kind of get me on on path and you know, being egotistical nineteen-year-old to check me and take me into professional and also as like as a million milkshake me in that way, so I think I found so much.

13:57 Can you give me an example of something that caught up with you years later what she was doing then and then there was like never a conversation about like this is what it means to be a good person. You know that me down like Andrew. These are the 5 point seat of it was never there. But yeah, she when she was working as a teacher and she would go above and beyond for her students. She was like kind of functioning as as a social worker. You know, she would do house calls on families that we're having having problems, you know where she was a resource to school and you're not spending money all around.

14:57 Let's make sure the kids have what they need to know if she heard about kids not getting the food at home. She would help get them food at home. And you know, if there is a CPS need to be involved she would get involved with getting seasoning a CPS Child Protective Services involved and going out of her way to just be a good person and but never in a way like, you know, she was doing it for anybody but her to say she ate that need in herself, you know, she was just doing it because it was the right thing to do nature. It seems like a very much.

15:40 Play Rocky Mountain Way.

15:43 Yes. Oh so still our next question. What is your earliest memory is of politics well as set up most of the night and watch C-SPAN, I don't know why but I would like I would like a campfire in a train wreck at the same time. Just had to watch it. I couldn't decide which on which day and I just found it interesting. I enjoyed the procedure of it and I enjoyed how they used to sort of like at maneuver each other at least attempt off maneuver. And of course and I kind of kept me involved in love singer's moving and shaking and government in the teenager. And of course the main ideas, you know, ice teenagers. We know everything is that is right. And so I just got more and more involved with stuff. I was involved in a little bit.

16:43 What's up with Republican party? And if you're a republican in Pittsburgh as well be a man without a country cuz it doesn't exist hear something. I really wanted to get into the right kind of felt like I was doing a lot of things just for the sake of the organization and not for what I really believed in and let me get involved in other organizations as well. And then I got I just found them influencing way more than necessary. And so I just started to the kind of think for myself in a lot of things and and as I said, I got tired of other people thinking for me and yes, I'm an NRA member and I do believe in you and already believe they do a lot of good but I've gotten so disgusted with the way they present some issues is it said the slightest so emotional like they trying to like get people all worked up and I don't particularly like that for a while. I was very receptive for that until I realized that I mean, I'm not living my own life. I'm living at the beach

17:43 For somebody else and I didn't like them and but right now I'm just in the middle of a transition as far as it's kind of going through a lot of work and I have to sometimes do some digging to find the right to find some truth in the matter of the way things are reported and what people are saying, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. I guess you took me to sleep.

18:28 Yeah, my earliest memory. Like I said to his September 11th, I guess you know.

18:36 I was aware of civics but politics. Yeah, I wasn't really really where you know, like US foreign policy or domestic policy here. If you know how I felt the impact of Education policy and was starting to get in a critical of that at that age. I guess then I was 17 and answer. Yes. It's just really cause me to one say why why are people upset at us? What if we would have you been doing and what warranted this attack on our country and then not opened up a can of worms about you know, what u.s. Foreign intervention head look like through the Middle East over time and then our our response to September 11th with you know, the war on terror, you know, I'm trying to say is this Justified? Is this the Justified response?

19:36 To do this action and you know really trying to start uncovering truth myself. And that was yes, that was a huge huge Awakening moment for me and I've always had never tried and tried to take a journalistic approach should not be dogmatic about my political beliefs because I still feel like I'm I'm learning and it's such a special type of information view perspective histories is hard to find a singular and then I am about it, but I started looking at my work as a filmmaker and redoing storytelling as a way to as a vehicle to start doing more learning, you know, I saw as a pass to get paid to learn and I still still do and if I feel

20:36 I'm still so on that path. So so yeah, that was earliest earliest memory and it was just you know, it was like a flip that switch and there is a whole world here that is extremely critical and can shape not only your life but the lives of others you're not only the future of your country but the future of others. Yeah. It's a politics is a vehicle that can dictate the future and you know, I I was amazed that I had gone that long being ignorant of it but 11 and was talking to them about the future and just going to get in their understanding of what the future and I was amazed.

21:36 We're extremely politically aware. You know, they all know who the president is. I know what's going on. They they were fearful of climate change and you know, all these other things. I'm just thinking about like how fortunate I was to be that innocent up until 17th about sales my earliest. I mean, I know that you talked about this earlier, but I guess I'll go back to why did why did you want to do this interview today? Well, I mean for this to find out more as you would said there's so many perspectives so much information so much points of view and then it just gets filtered unfiltered and filtered through what we see everyday. I mean what better way to learn and grow just talking with people

22:31 And that's enough and I kind of goes along with an experience that I used to working and Social Services Mesa do one-on-one work with kids shoes combination is used with work and with where they're with their family a lot of rapper on service. They were mostly in black neighborhoods. And so here I am the big dumb guy going into a black neighborhood. So it's it's a totally different situation than what I'm used to and I got to see how people live and just it wasn't that much different from the way. I live little different enough. I'm just like wait a minute what else is going on in beneath my nose that I'm not appreciate it, you know, it's like going through Art Museum just to get to the you know Monet at the end of the art museum. Do you just skip 900 paintings along the way and that's that's exactly how I felt like I was living my life. I was missing so much and that's one of the reasons why I got involved with the

23:31 Make America dinner again crowd. Is there a lot on his people willing to share not only their perspective but how they came to develop that perspective in their lives and how they became than braces and I thought that brings a whole new contacts even with people that I wouldn't agree with policy-wise or Pennywise. I got to stay on your name came by it honestly, which I've always appreciate regardless of whether that's one of the reasons why I'm here today because somebody that's totally opposite with you I so I'm sure they'll find no shortage of people in that regard. So I'm I'm very happy to be here. Why not? You know, if you like cigars and you like bourbon will be pretty good French.

24:31 I will get rid of that help you. Learn the hard way. Trust me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I really struggle with house. I load were becoming today, you know where we're falling into he's going to he's nice communities of leaves and ideology and never are all the all the ways to use like is antagonistic. Do you use of differing opinions or it's like you don't we go on platforms and throw barbs at each other. You know, I like

25:31 We are we are we volley over in our tax on character ideas and then and then Retreat to our safety, but I really feel like this future of politics need to come back to what it used to be you which was your people Gathering Together of differing opinion and having tough conversations together and about shared your desires and I feel like we've gotten so far from that and you know, I know that when I talk to family members and I say, hey, let's leave our let you know, our our our political affiliations aside and talk about the things that matter most we can find alignment and then we can Often by an alignment or common ground and so I'm really I'm really interested in doing more of that. I want to see more of that. I want to participate more of it. And so I was really excited.

26:31 To see this pop up on on make America dinner again. I haven't actually, you know, I I got connected with make America dinner again year ago, but was unable to go to any dinners there weren't any any dinner over here. I think it started in San Francisco and I was in New York that is poking out of film working on it about the future of democracy for the past few years. And so I was like, this could be an interesting story to Future and in the film and yeah, I was like

27:31 Unfolds but yeah, that's that's what I wanted. You mentioned you've been doing. That was our three questions, right? You mentioned that you've you've been doing an audit of your hair world you and I'm just so curious. Yeah, what what that means what that entails what you're finding and talk more about what what you're doing is not it. Well, I'll do my best to process. I try to look at the view point or what's going on and if you hear both sides and

28:17 I believe that there is element of Truth in each side, but it's just certain other elements kind of get blown up because if it fits with either a buyer's or something else or just sounds good and I just think there is a lot of manipulation not there and I was in that situation where I felt like I was being manipulated by people that allegedly agree with that at this point I get in the more arguments with my own side than I do with with the other side, you know, I just don't like the way they arrived at some of their conclusion in particularly was probably probably won't find very much more contention than in the world of firearms in it either either what it becomes the public policy or Justify and I just see a lot of people just getting everybody all worked up just so they can get you write letters to Congress or get you to send money in and things like that. I just find that to be disgraceful.

29:17 Cuz I was like, okay if I feel this way in this area, what about all these other area? So then when I hear something I try to like okay, this is what I'm feeling when I hear this does this make sense or logical sense? Will then? Okay if it does why doesn't make logical sense and I try to prove it and if you ever want to prove something, right probably the best way to go about it at least from an engineering perspective, but the commonalities in the world then otherwise, I mean, I actually have massage clients now politics and religion or to nono's talk about in a massaging product. We had clients that look forward to coming into he's our people that don't agree with me just to bring stuff up so we can discuss it. Like I don't know how you find that relaxing me when I get home.

30:16 Ideal all shapes sizes and colors and differences of opinion right path. If I'm if I'm making more friends than I am making enemies, you know, I don't consider that a compromise. I don't compromise and that's one of the things that's nice about the make America dinner again folks is that there are people there that aren't going to let you get away with any kind of hack opinions running. They're going to take a lot of stuff if you want to find out all you know, how much you need to up your game then like how much you need to think about things before you open up your mouth.

31:16 Ball bearing I get back to the roots the problem where we sit on we had shot problem and saved see if see what comes out of it that answer your question. Yeah. It's so for my while I was working in my. Area was a very secret circuitous routes, but I've been looking at your countries that were innovating on the practices of democracy and got invited to do a fellowship in Liberia around this program called Integrity Idol, which is like American Idol for integrity in societies with high corruption, and they're actually doing it. We're doing it in Philly like right now with the Philadelphia citizen. So where we just watch it and I'm going to be doing videos about civil servants in Philly with integrity.

32:16 There haven't been many nominations Bill. What are the things that was really striking in Liberia's there is an indigenous institution called The palava Hut and it's a place where political discourse so it's kind of like what in a maybe a fraternal organization would have been back in the day or an intellectual organization would have been back in the day where people come together and debate politics and they actually have two different blob Hudson to induce. I'll have one for religion and I'll have one for politics and people come in with differing opinion. Everybody gets there to say their opinion on on a matter. So, you know issues will talk about like, you know a mine coming into their Community or you know, someone is having a domestic dispute never come in and the community

33:16 I'll come in and talk about this together. And of course there is human this hierarchy in the community. Those people that I have to have Cloud, you know, there's like the Midwife are the religious leader, you know, the elders, you know, the people that have have caught in the community, but it was one of those beautiful examples of democracy that I've ever seen people coming together and Community really hyper local community and talking about things and I think they make America dinner again, is that right? Like the dinner is like a microcosm of that and yeah, I'm just I would love to see love to see more of that are unique perspective when it comes to being a living and all these different countries and and being involved with at least leave covering the the conflicts in there that is that is that accurate?

34:16 Not complex per se. But yeah, I was I was looking at you. Who is doing good stuff being a civil servants? Okay, and you were like almost like a war correspondent correctly. I wanted to be an activity doing other stuff.

34:44 So just back to my question. Is this still relevant based upon what you have witnessed in other countries were and I witnessed and of course research based upon what you see today and what the protest things that are going on. How would you compare what's going on in this country compared to what what you have may be witness and researched another country.

35:07 I think the fundamental mechanisms of representative democracy or are being challenged around the world, you know, you know, we see that the trust in our Representatives has has been diminished and it is on the decline around the world people don't trust their governments. And in a lot of that has to do with with misinformation and I think we also see, you know, a lot around the world of Corruption of the political class political class has become more and more distant from it represent. The situation is pretty unique.

36:07 You're dealing with it is really interesting. You know, like I think they're in Taiwan, there's examples of like online platforms that are much like make America dinner again where they bring people together by using artificial intelligence to try to help, you know, find Common Ground among people with differing opinions. So they're using kind of this technological intermediary to help to help find Common Ground. I think that's a really cool example of what we can do, you know the case in Liberia with a plaza Hood. I think that's a really cool example of what people are doing to try to come back to the small community that this worse but added the three wine is trussing democracy. Trust. My Representatives is is low misinformation is high partisanship is is this high and as a result

37:06 You know, we see a rising and populist leaders to reply to that and we'll try to work off of those things. There's also if there is a study that was done. There's like a bunch of independent studies. They were being done around the world in a reporter a box. I had identified this is there was a bunch of people around the world looking at the rise of authoritarianism around the world and people looking at how authoritarianism was actually a like a political ideology that people were ascribing to enter the reporter got all these researchers together in a big study and the big study revealed that particular one of the biggest building blocks right now is people who have authoritarian tendencies.

38:06 Political leader and we'll take a stand on issues and often times in response to some sort of fear-based think so in answer to your base thing a beer. Will you play off of that get people scared and say that they will respond to it side of US democracy is. Naturals, you know that we like we really want people to tell us that is true. You can find out all through history even go back into the Bible. I mean, you know, the Israelis ewe. God was going to roll them. They're like, no we want to come I got it. I got a bag King, but hey, you're right as people people want to be seen to be if they want to be controlled on those and they can I gravitate towards that.

39:02 You you study history, right and I was curious about that like what especially having studied history and like how do you situate today in relation to let you know if history has existed for quite some time where

39:31 Things come to a head and then the head goes down and then things come to a head again and then the head goes down and very little small, you know with regard to the most recent situation with black lives matter and that sort of thing that seems to be the most something that's at least tangible today what five years ago that all started with Kaepernick in the kneeling and things like that and things came to a head and then a couple of things a couple of little the NFL made some connections there concessions and there is some some people kind of gave a little bit here and turned on again. Nothing really happened. I mean in police brutality least that was the issue, right and then everybody tacked on their own agendas and then you kind of see that happening. You see somebody developing momentum and then right away all these people seem to see it on that momentum and they want to carry over and I've seen that lots of times throughout history where we think we saw problems and we don't I mean go all the way back to the Civil War that should have salt.

40:31 Slavery did I mean cuz I like look at all the stuff that happened. I mean like I feel when I look at what happened during the Reconstruction, that was the real across that happens like okay slaves. You guys are free. How about it? Enjoy your freedom and I'm like, it's like it's just you still left them in the Lurch and I'm not going to make me very kind of makes me resentful how people wish to solve problems. Like they would rather see the problem go away and not salt. They've is all they don't see how to make an exhaust it's fine, you know, and as long as I don't have to deal with it, then that that bothers me even at work they are fine as long as they come in and get their pain gone for a week. They're fine. I mean, it's like they just do this simple thing for 5 minutes a day the problem be gone.

41:31 I really really bothers me is it just doesn't square with the way I see thing. Is that answer your question?

41:40 Yeah, I agree. I think that's that's the challenging thing. As you know, I look at how much we know today like what you know, we know a lot a lot of knowledge about you know, what good education looks like what good health looks like whatever good infrastructure looks like what security looks like in all these going to core things that government is supposed to provide and yet you been on them and you know, there's this disconnect between the desires of us the citizenry and what actually gets executed and you know everything

42:40 Desire around what we want, you know what we want to see for our family so in our future and and we don't we don't talk and get it sounds like a like a drip of molasses like what you were talking about was like yeah, it measures that reduce police brutality. Okay. Well, what are we doing about that nothing but you know, we're really not we're not addressing that issue head-on. And yeah, it's it's it's really frustrating.

43:21 I totally agree and regardless of how you feel. I think that

43:29 You know, I mean, I think what we see now is okay. What is exactly the problem? I think we're actually having problems trying to identify the problem or at least the earliest what can be a solvable problem. I mean are we going to solve how minorities are treated with our financial system in the next couple years? Probably not. I mean that's going to take some generations for that's what I think your car. I mean but police brutality. It's pretty much and I think that happens a lot with Congress as you said it pisses me off too. Cuz they what they do is a clear bill on something to address one thing and everybody comes in and out and then you just have this monstrosity that ends up managing the problem solving the problem because they could always bring the problem up later if ever they need us some

44:29 In front of the camera

44:43 Yeah, it's I'm curious how we can know how we can serve ourselves more and as as the citizenry and ensure that I represented directly representative because it doesn't seem like they are good. I'm sorry you to support the NRA support the MRNA. I mean, I mean if you're involved with guns and a capacitor you're going to get involved with the politics of guns. Are there really any way of divorcing that cuz there's a pre-charged subject and I mean, I really got into it just because I was led to believe that my rights are in danger unless I give money and write my congressman and do all this other stuff and then when I started to realize

45:43 Okay, I'll order for the jackbooted thugs of the kick down my door and take away from Mike my gun. I can think of about 15 things that need to happen first, you know, it's not going to happen. First of all, first of all, my guns have been lost in a boating accident. That's what I put all this gun guys joke about you support the NRA. I wasn't too proud of that cuz there are Splinter groups off the NRA that have sworn that are even more hard-line. I'm driving most of all when I can. What makes me continue to support them in spite of my differences is the fact that they are the standard for firearms training Firearms valuation. I'm a trained police as far as far as a firearm with regard to their practice and the actual firearms and selves. They have made all the standards. Are they ever make all the measurements?

46:43 Bring the police they train the average citizenry. They make sure people understand the laws which is very important. And you know, I think that's important than the divorce the NRA from Narita to shut them all down. Well, then what I mean, you know, cuz I believe in a lot of our gun problems can be solved the perception that their gun violence can be solved more responsible because most of your firearm deaths occur as a result of accidents in the home improper training or improper storage or just complete negligence and you know, that's why I continue to support them because they are I would consider they only Nationwide organization that seeks to make gun owners better. You know, it show me a firearm is a very touchy subject for a lot of people and I've been involved this for many years and even then I'm not I'm not as proficient as I should be it takes a little bit one mistakes.

47:43 I'm just like I should have known better, but I was just complete and I would like to look at mine for it almost hit the back of a gun and my two in my big toe. So it's just silly stuff like that. I mean to their credit has been on the Forefront of all that the McDonald's is better. You know, me and Lisa Lisa what they do cuz it's going down in this country at least spread out over four million square miles of Countryside. So, let's make our gun owners better. So I hope that answers that question. That's the long way around.

48:43 Or any Representatives that that do represent you that feel like they yeah because you said you had like intention with any other groups that represent you.

48:57 I would say that I would say in some cases they do and in some cases they don't you know, how would you feel that same way? Is there anybody that that you consider that would be sort of encompassing? I mean it I'm sure there's plenty of people you agree with for different reasons and I think that's a safe assumption to make but is there anybody that you agree with the gray? And I'm not the black and white and rice supposed to be one group or Another One Direction and I just because all while you know, hey you voted for Donald Trump at me and you're this this this this this this and that sounds like wait a minute.

49:57 No, I didn't like what I was looking for. But I like the other person the last but that's the way I thought about it, you know you and a bunch of other people too. Well, we're supposed to wrap up now, huh? I feel like we're just getting to like 60 to 90 minutes in Sligo void. That's her to scratching the surface on Facebook page or I am, okay.

50:57 Yeah, I don't believe that people like kind of existing the gray together almost you know, maybe on different ends of the gray but you know, but it's like I can't gathering without interest I think would be a better off as a country thing that the conversations are never done. You know that but like the government is a constant experiment and we're constantly improving upon it and the only way we approve upon that is only come together and talk about, you know our desires for it absent that then we get other people's decisions for the government and

51:57 And you know, I don't agree with it. A lot of the Visions are being executed right now, so I don't either.

52:05 But yeah, well drink to the gray, that's alright. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.